Personally, I don't play MTGO. I know there are quite a few esper pilots out there who also refuse to use MTGO, either because of the cost or the client (or both). If there is enough interest, I'm willing to look into taking the time to get a top-down camera view set up and to record video of testing sessions the same way SCG does their coverage (obviously with none of the production quality or professionalism).
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Primary Decks:
Modern: Esper Draw-Go
Legacy: RUG Lands
EDH: Sidisi turn-3 storm
Personally, I don't play MTGO. I know there are quite a few esper pilots out there who also refuse to use MTGO, either because of the cost or the client (or both). If there is enough interest, I'm willing to look into taking the time to get a top-down camera view set up and to record video of testing sessions the same way SCG does their coverage (obviously with none of the production quality or professionalism).
While that would be nice, I can't honestly expect anyone to start making videos just for the few people on this forum... That kind of stuff is both time consuming and expensive (for decent cameras and setup stuff).
As for those who were already making Esper Videos on their own, that's totally fine -- I'll definitely watch. However, if you didn't already want to make videos, don't do it just for us. =D
Well I'm gonna get back to to streaming or just start to record my games and throw them up as content on YouTube when I'm not up for streaming, I'll let you know if I start to upload but hoping to stream Saturday night if not then Sunday night for sure.
Personally, I don't play MTGO. I know there are quite a few esper pilots out there who also refuse to use MTGO, either because of the cost or the client (or both). If there is enough interest, I'm willing to look into taking the time to get a top-down camera view set up and to record video of testing sessions the same way SCG does their coverage (obviously with none of the production quality or professionalism).
I'm certainly interested but I'm not asking you to spend money on equipment or anything. I'm just saying that if you already wanted to make videos, I'd totally watch them. As for people who stream or post videos on Youtube, could you please post a link?
Well I'm gonna get back to to streaming or just start to record my games and throw them up as content on YouTube when I'm not up for streaming, I'll let you know if I start to upload but hoping to stream Saturday night if not then Sunday night for sure.
flex slot in the board is burn hate; still not sure exactly what I'm going to run there, but initial results locally show more tron and eldrazi which the shadow of doubts help with, and extraction is excellent against all the combo that's popping up. Otherwise, mainboard disfigure performing well in affinity/infect/burn heavy meta. Nacatl burn is a pain in the ass, with no leylines and it surviving disfigures.
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Primary Decks:
Modern: Esper Draw-Go
Legacy: RUG Lands
EDH: Sidisi turn-3 storm
Yeah, Twin is finally banned online so I'm starting to get back into it. Was thinking that Elspeth may actually make it into my sideboard if the Eldrazi decks actually become a big thing. As much as people talk about them, they never put up results on MODO.
Elspeth will have to replace Teferi, though. I've grown attached to those foils...and I don't for a second believe there's going to be any less blue after a month or so.
So I just played some matches at the LGS against Tron, and I can report that the sideboard Crumbles and Steam Vents are INSANE. Every time I resolved one, I pretty much couldn't lose. Even when he had slipped a Karn through, when I Crumbled, he used Karn to restart and I won the subgame anyways (despite a Crumble being perma-exiled and me only having 2 left). It's actually hard to lose g2 and 3 -- and I only play the 3 Crumbles, not a set.
If you want to beat Tron, this is definitely the way.
Against Tron and eldrazi decks I use mainboard 3x spreading seas - that card is just insane in heavy tron/eldrazi/3+ color manabases. It's much better nowdays then playing remands. 2x shadow of doubt and 3x spreading seas and we roll.
Anyway I don't think that we can play a fair draw-go deck. It's just too classic strategy. I run lingering souls along with 2 ashiok mainboard (he/she's sick against creature aggro and control decks).
I know that my deck doesn't sound like the primer esper draw-go, but I have to say that it works really good I'm also thinking about moving from reactive to more proactive side of game control (some mainboard discard spells insted of counterspells but well, spell snare perform very good nowdays).
So I just played some matches at the LGS against Tron, and I can report that the sideboard Crumbles and Steam Vents are INSANE. Every time I resolved one, I pretty much couldn't lose. Even when he had slipped a Karn through, when I Crumbled, he used Karn to restart and I won the subgame anyways (despite a Crumble being perma-exiled and me only having 2 left). It's actually hard to lose g2 and 3 -- and I only play the 3 Crumbles, not a set.
If you want to beat Tron, this is definitely the way.
So I just played some matches at the LGS against Tron, and I can report that the sideboard Crumbles and Steam Vents are INSANE. Every time I resolved one, I pretty much couldn't lose. Even when he had slipped a Karn through, when I Crumbled, he used Karn to restart and I won the subgame anyways (despite a Crumble being perma-exiled and me only having 2 left). It's actually hard to lose g2 and 3 -- and I only play the 3 Crumbles, not a set.
If you want to beat Tron, this is definitely the way.
Edit: Even after he knew about the Crumbles too.
why was your crumble perma exiled?
I kept drawing into my Crumbles instead of interaction -- my draw steps left me with basically lands and Crumble and eventually he plussed Karn and I had to pitch one. He hit T4 Tron on the play, so had one of those crumbles been a remand/negate for the Karn, I'd definitely have won without any subgames necessary.
Against Tron and eldrazi decks I use mainboard 3x spreading seas - that card is just insane in heavy tron/eldrazi/3+ color manabases. It's much better nowdays then playing remands. 2x shadow of doubt and 3x spreading seas and we roll.
Anyway I don't think that we can play a fair draw-go deck. It's just too classic strategy. I run lingering souls along with 2 ashiok mainboard (he/she's sick against creature aggro and control decks).
I know that my deck doesn't sound like the primer esper draw-go, but I have to say that it works really good I'm also thinking about moving from reactive to more proactive side of game control (some mainboard discard spells insted of counterspells but well, spell snare perform very good nowdays).
@crumble can be too slow against 4rd turn ulamog
I only side in Crumbles against Tron and manlands, and it's very unlikely Tron can pull a 4th turn Ula. I need to test them against Bx Eldrazi, but up until now my thought was that Crumble isn't necessary against Bx (I haven't had any issue with the match -- they're more midrangey than ramp, tbh.) However, now that I think about it, and after having playtested the Bx Eldrazi deck myself, I definitely think Stone Rain is good against them. I'll try to test it further.
Anyways, I've been playing a classic Draw Go list for quite a few months now, and it's been great. I really think it's the sideboard choices that matter the most -- the maindeck is rock-solid, and most peoples' decks just don't have a valid strategy against Esper. It's knowing what matchups you need to sideboard for in your meta that gets there. For example, I board the most against Tron (worst matchup and has a decent showing at my meta), BGx (because the people playing it at my meta are veterans with the deck), and Burn (bad matchup). The are so many decks where Esper could just run G2 back without sideboarding and easily win, so I devote the most space to matchups that worry me or need improvement. The only decks that even scare me now are Infect and Burn (still), since Tron is covered. I'm thinking about finding room for a few Disfigures somewhere in the sideboard, still not sure yet.
So I just played some matches at the LGS against Tron, and I can report that the sideboard Crumbles and Steam Vents are INSANE. Every time I resolved one, I pretty much couldn't lose. Even when he had slipped a Karn through, when I Crumbled, he used Karn to restart and I won the subgame anyways (despite a Crumble being perma-exiled and me only having 2 left). It's actually hard to lose g2 and 3 -- and I only play the 3 Crumbles, not a set.
If you want to beat Tron, this is definitely the way.
Edit: Even after he knew about the Crumbles too.
why was your crumble perma exiled?
I kept drawing into my Crumbles instead of interaction -- my draw steps left me with basically lands and Crumble and eventually he plussed Karn and I had to pitch one. He hit T4 Tron on the play, so had one of those crumbles been a remand/negate for the Karn, I'd definitely have won without any subgames necessary.
non permanent are reshuffled when the game restart
So I just played some matches at the LGS against Tron, and I can report that the sideboard Crumbles and Steam Vents are INSANE. Every time I resolved one, I pretty much couldn't lose. Even when he had slipped a Karn through, when I Crumbled, he used Karn to restart and I won the subgame anyways (despite a Crumble being perma-exiled and me only having 2 left). It's actually hard to lose g2 and 3 -- and I only play the 3 Crumbles, not a set.
If you want to beat Tron, this is definitely the way.
Edit: Even after he knew about the Crumbles too.
why was your crumble perma exiled?
I kept drawing into my Crumbles instead of interaction -- my draw steps left me with basically lands and Crumble and eventually he plussed Karn and I had to pitch one. He hit T4 Tron on the play, so had one of those crumbles been a remand/negate for the Karn, I'd definitely have won without any subgames necessary.
non permanent are reshuffled when the game restart
After looking it up, you're right. I actually asked the Tron player if he was sure the non-permanent cards stayed in exile and he said yes, so I overlooked it. I'll have to let him know.
Yeah, Twin is finally banned online so I'm starting to get back into it. Was thinking that Elspeth may actually make it into my sideboard if the Eldrazi decks actually become a big thing. As much as people talk about them, they never put up results on MODO.
Elspeth will have to replace Teferi, though. I've grown attached to those foils...and I don't for a second believe there's going to be any less blue after a month or so.
That is because aggro is running them out. The meta so far has been 1 dtop aggro and bolts. It is silly but even the spell snares are worse since every threat is a 1 drop unless you play against affinity or a goyf deck (not seeing much goyf online). The meta is so aggresive that the best removal spell is lightning helix which we have nothing comparable to that.
Yeah, Twin is finally banned online so I'm starting to get back into it. Was thinking that Elspeth may actually make it into my sideboard if the Eldrazi decks actually become a big thing. As much as people talk about them, they never put up results on MODO.
Elspeth will have to replace Teferi, though. I've grown attached to those foils...and I don't for a second believe there's going to be any less blue after a month or so.
That is because aggro is running them out. The meta so far has been 1 dtop aggro and bolts. It is silly but even the spell snares are worse since every threat is a 1 drop unless you play against affinity or a goyf deck (not seeing much goyf online). The meta is so aggresive that the best removal spell is lightning helix which we have nothing comparable to that.
Not entirely true. Agony Warp does a pretty good helix impression when you're behind to help you stabilize. Granted +3 life is far superior to prevent 3 damage, but if little zoo suddenly explodes everywhere then I'll be adding a copy or two into my list. In the right meta warp is a solid card, but atm I don't believe it's the time.
EDIT:
On that note I got to play some good games over the weekend against affinity and BTE zoo and the games weren't exactly close. As I mentioned before, spell snare is a little meh but the two copies are great as defense against A.Command and plating, lingering souls is a house against both decks buying you so much time to make land drops so you can hold up counter magic after casting removal or a wrath. I also brought in ashiok against zoo and, as it always does, absolutely crushed them all on it's own. It feels so good when you can ashiok in a BTE and use the mana on a think twice flash back, the value tastes so good. After that it put in a goyf and zoo just can't beat a 4/5 on an empty board.
Regardless, I don't believe that zoo is a real concern for our typical lists. A pile of spot removal and wraths is good enough to lock in a win against 90% of aggro decks across the history of the game. The only games I lost to zoo were the double BTE draws on the play, when they had that draw and I went first a turn 4 verdict was enough to take care of any problems.
Yes, I am a local area mod.WELP. GOOD LIFE CHANGES ALL HAPPEN AT ONCE AND SOME ARE MUTUALLY EXCLUSIVEPrimary Decks:
Modern: Esper Draw-Go
Legacy: RUG Lands
EDH: Sidisi turn-3 storm
While that would be nice, I can't honestly expect anyone to start making videos just for the few people on this forum... That kind of stuff is both time consuming and expensive (for decent cameras and setup stuff).
As for those who were already making Esper Videos on their own, that's totally fine -- I'll definitely watch. However, if you didn't already want to make videos, don't do it just for us. =D
UWB Esper Draw-Go Control (clicky)
UW Azorius Control (clicky)
Currently pursuing a degree in Biochemistry.
EDH: I've decided I don't like multiplayer formats.
Esper draw go Control!
Twitch stream: http://www.twitch.tv/pimpdonny
I'm certainly interested but I'm not asking you to spend money on equipment or anything. I'm just saying that if you already wanted to make videos, I'd totally watch them. As for people who stream or post videos on Youtube, could you please post a link?
My Stream: http://www.twitch.tv/qtwelve
Pimp Donny's Stream: http://www.twitch.tv/pimpdonny
Here is Pimp Donny's Stream and Mine. Pure Esper Control lol
Twitch Stream: http://www.twitch.tv/qtwelve
What is your YouTube channel called?
Twitch Stream: https://www.twitch.tv/zdeathblow
Thanks for the links. I was already following both of you guys on Twitch. Do you know when you might stream next?
Twitch Stream: https://www.twitch.tv/zdeathblow
4 flooded strand
4 polluted delta
2 hallowed fountain
2 watery grave
3 island
2 plains
1 swamp
3 ghost quarter
1 drowned catacomb
4 spell snare
2 logic knot
2 shadow of doubt
4 cryptic command
4 esper charm
2 sphinx's revelation
4 path to exile
2 disfigure
3 supreme verdict
2 snapcaster mage
1 white sun's zenith
2 Baneslayer Angel
2 celestial purge
3 stony silence
1 Elspeth, sun's champion
3 surgical extraction
1 negate
1 dispel
1 wrath of god
1 XXX
flex slot in the board is burn hate; still not sure exactly what I'm going to run there, but initial results locally show more tron and eldrazi which the shadow of doubts help with, and extraction is excellent against all the combo that's popping up. Otherwise, mainboard disfigure performing well in affinity/infect/burn heavy meta. Nacatl burn is a pain in the ass, with no leylines and it surviving disfigures.
Yes, I am a local area mod.WELP. GOOD LIFE CHANGES ALL HAPPEN AT ONCE AND SOME ARE MUTUALLY EXCLUSIVEPrimary Decks:
Modern: Esper Draw-Go
Legacy: RUG Lands
EDH: Sidisi turn-3 storm
Elspeth will have to replace Teferi, though. I've grown attached to those foils...and I don't for a second believe there's going to be any less blue after a month or so.
Hopefully Day time Sunday after or Before Donny's Stream
Twitch Stream: http://www.twitch.tv/qtwelve
If you want to beat Tron, this is definitely the way.
Edit: Even after he knew about the Crumbles too.
UWB Esper Draw-Go Control (clicky)
UW Azorius Control (clicky)
Currently pursuing a degree in Biochemistry.
EDH: I've decided I don't like multiplayer formats.
Anyway I don't think that we can play a fair draw-go deck. It's just too classic strategy. I run lingering souls along with 2 ashiok mainboard (he/she's sick against creature aggro and control decks).
I know that my deck doesn't sound like the primer esper draw-go, but I have to say that it works really good I'm also thinking about moving from reactive to more proactive side of game control (some mainboard discard spells insted of counterspells but well, spell snare perform very good nowdays).
@crumble can be too slow against 4rd turn ulamog
why was your crumble perma exiled?
I kept drawing into my Crumbles instead of interaction -- my draw steps left me with basically lands and Crumble and eventually he plussed Karn and I had to pitch one. He hit T4 Tron on the play, so had one of those crumbles been a remand/negate for the Karn, I'd definitely have won without any subgames necessary.
UWB Esper Draw-Go Control (clicky)
UW Azorius Control (clicky)
Currently pursuing a degree in Biochemistry.
EDH: I've decided I don't like multiplayer formats.
I only side in Crumbles against Tron and manlands, and it's very unlikely Tron can pull a 4th turn Ula. I need to test them against Bx Eldrazi, but up until now my thought was that Crumble isn't necessary against Bx (I haven't had any issue with the match -- they're more midrangey than ramp, tbh.) However, now that I think about it, and after having playtested the Bx Eldrazi deck myself, I definitely think Stone Rain is good against them. I'll try to test it further.
Anyways, I've been playing a classic Draw Go list for quite a few months now, and it's been great. I really think it's the sideboard choices that matter the most -- the maindeck is rock-solid, and most peoples' decks just don't have a valid strategy against Esper. It's knowing what matchups you need to sideboard for in your meta that gets there. For example, I board the most against Tron (worst matchup and has a decent showing at my meta), BGx (because the people playing it at my meta are veterans with the deck), and Burn (bad matchup). The are so many decks where Esper could just run G2 back without sideboarding and easily win, so I devote the most space to matchups that worry me or need improvement. The only decks that even scare me now are Infect and Burn (still), since Tron is covered. I'm thinking about finding room for a few Disfigures somewhere in the sideboard, still not sure yet.
UWB Esper Draw-Go Control (clicky)
UW Azorius Control (clicky)
Currently pursuing a degree in Biochemistry.
EDH: I've decided I don't like multiplayer formats.
non permanent are reshuffled when the game restart
After looking it up, you're right. I actually asked the Tron player if he was sure the non-permanent cards stayed in exile and he said yes, so I overlooked it. I'll have to let him know.
UWB Esper Draw-Go Control (clicky)
UW Azorius Control (clicky)
Currently pursuing a degree in Biochemistry.
EDH: I've decided I don't like multiplayer formats.
That is because aggro is running them out. The meta so far has been 1 dtop aggro and bolts. It is silly but even the spell snares are worse since every threat is a 1 drop unless you play against affinity or a goyf deck (not seeing much goyf online). The meta is so aggresive that the best removal spell is lightning helix which we have nothing comparable to that.
Not entirely true. Agony Warp does a pretty good helix impression when you're behind to help you stabilize. Granted +3 life is far superior to prevent 3 damage, but if little zoo suddenly explodes everywhere then I'll be adding a copy or two into my list. In the right meta warp is a solid card, but atm I don't believe it's the time.
EDIT:
On that note I got to play some good games over the weekend against affinity and BTE zoo and the games weren't exactly close. As I mentioned before, spell snare is a little meh but the two copies are great as defense against A.Command and plating, lingering souls is a house against both decks buying you so much time to make land drops so you can hold up counter magic after casting removal or a wrath. I also brought in ashiok against zoo and, as it always does, absolutely crushed them all on it's own. It feels so good when you can ashiok in a BTE and use the mana on a think twice flash back, the value tastes so good. After that it put in a goyf and zoo just can't beat a 4/5 on an empty board.
Regardless, I don't believe that zoo is a real concern for our typical lists. A pile of spot removal and wraths is good enough to lock in a win against 90% of aggro decks across the history of the game. The only games I lost to zoo were the double BTE draws on the play, when they had that draw and I went first a turn 4 verdict was enough to take care of any problems.