I'm a little confused because you said earlier that you didn't like Oath in Big Zoo but your latest list is running 3 of them. Also no Collected Company, what are your thoughts behind that?
No, what I said was there was 3 different reasons it could be that I didnt love it, and I suspected it was that I didnt have the right bullets in the main vs side.
The mainboard is pretty stock. I`m a big proponent of not running Goblin Guide in this kind of build myself, though I understand that it`s controversial. The Gaddocks in the sideboard is an interesting choice.
The mainboard is pretty stock. I`m a big proponent of not running Goblin Guide in this kind of build myself, though I understand that it`s controversial. The Gaddocks in the sideboard is an interesting choice.
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I really like this mainboard, buying the commands I'll play with this list certainly
I had a similar list with blue instead of white for gitaxian probe, serum visions, and stormchaser mage. It's a ton of fun to play until you come up against a deck with lightning bolt. I routinely shot myself for 10-14 every game just for prowess triggers and mana fixing.
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I had a friend at my lgs help me with this, and it's felt really good (although I haven't gotten to play Ayli yet, so I have no idea if she's worth the slots). Games play completely different when I get a Dark Confidant out, and Worship just seems to win certain match-ups by itself. I haven't had enough opportunities to play though, and I was wondering if there are any obvious weaknesses I am missing. I know I need scavenging ooze, those will probably replace both Ayli and one Pridemage. Other than that I want more Smiters, and I'm still working on the sideboard and manabase (which is ok, but suboptimal for the moment, I don't have zendikar fetches). Any thoughts on changes? Also worried about it being unfocused and stuck between aggro and midrange, but I'll figure that out with more testing.
Edit: Thought I was doing the deck tags right but that looks like ***** :/ not sure how to fix it.
Edit2: Got it to look okay.
Played 6 games pre-board vs Jund in testing with a friend. Went 4-2. Planeswalkers are pretty damn good vs Jund, they just can't deal walkers efficiently especially Elspeth.
I'm currently running 2 Arlinn and 1 Elspeth. Considering taking out my 2nd Thundermaw for either a Domri, Chandra or Huntmaster.
Guys please opinions on japanese cards. Lost a 3/3 creature against Japan celestial colonade. This guy played all creatures and spells in english cards, but some cards in his manabase was japanese. I dont registrated this really ( my brain say its all fine and all english to me lets attack his empty board)...and i am sure it is a Kind of legal cheating. It is not ok, but i know legal. I Hate such people. I never forget colonade normally, but with this Tricks it can happen one time in 3 years and such people take advantage of this
If I am a customer spending premium amount of dollars, I expect a premium service. Jund falls into the category of a premium deck costing more dollars than a majority of the rest of the format. I'm not getting the desired performance ratio per dollars spent out of the Jund deck because WOTC decided to make the format more diverse.
yeah. Again, when the meta was midrange jund and american control zoo had: 1 elspeth, 1 ajani V and 2-3 domri. You could probably make something like that now
The mainboard is pretty stock. I`m a big proponent of not running Goblin Guide in this kind of build myself, though I understand that it`s controversial. The Gaddocks in the sideboard is an interesting choice.
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Is it just me, or does Molten Rain seem like a "no no" with only 18 land? You want to cast it T3, and it seems like 3 land by T3 wouldn't be very consistent... but then again, I have never been a fan of Molten Rain (or other 3 cmc spells) in Burn either for the same reason.
Its "just passable" in faster zoo because zoo is ok with the game going about a turn to two longer. I've used it, but I generally avoid running more than two 3 cmc card in the deck at any time when I go that low on land. So like I might want domri and molten against a deck like american control or something, but I wont side in 2 of both because thats greedy as hell.
I love gaddock in sides, and was thinking about running it myself. Its pretty good against a field of combo (if one or more key cards is 4 cmc) and control, since with gaddock on the board you aint wiping anytime soon. I think its VERY good right now come to think of it, with all this scapeshift Ive been seeing. Bring to light is stupid strong, espeicially now that scapeshift is 4 colors, running black for damnation and stuff. They are basically running 5ish anger of the gods, 5ish damanations, 5ish scapeshift, meaning they can wipe youre board in a ton of ways, or just flat out win. Gaddock stops ALL of that.
I had a similar list with blue instead of white for gitaxian probe, serum visions, and stormchaser mage. It's a ton of fun to play until you come up against a deck with lightning bolt. I routinely shot myself for 10-14 every game just for prowess triggers and mana fixing.
It is fun and it can win absolutely out of nowhere. I remember a game where I was at low life, my opponent was at twenty-plus and I had to hard-cast Rampager to stay alive. I drew into Swifty, Boros Charm and Become Immense; swung for twenty-three and just grinned like a idiot.
Alright, this updated versions been solid as a rock for me. Gaddock was that last key I needed to sure up a couple matches. Guest and that path could be something else non creature like Explosives or clasm. Up to you really. But this has been over preforming for me.
Roughly off my head it was something like:
4 noble
1 bird
2 pridemage
2 ooze
1 voice
4 nacatl
4 tarmo
4 knight
some amount of smiter
maybe 1-2 thundermaw, there was alot of lingering souls back then.
2-3 domri
1 elspeth
1 ajani V
22 lands
15 sideboard cards against combo, because kibler hates losing against combo.
Just google kibler zoo ajani domri. I'm sure it will pop up somewhere.
Alright, this updated versions been solid as a rock for me. Gaddock was that last key I needed to sure up a couple matches. Guest and that path could be something else non creature like Explosives or clasm. Up to you really. But this has been over preforming for me.
I'm running something similar and just started trying Arlinn out in earnest over Chandra, Pyromaster. Is there any general rule of thumb aside from "don't just +0 her right away against bolt decks" that people can give? I'm looking for patterns you find yourselves in against other archetypes that seems to be good lines to take.
I know that as I use her more I'll figure out the lines I like but I'm sure I'm not the only one in this situation. Elspeth is fairly simple - land her and jump / make chump blockers as needed until someone is dead. Arlinn Kord seems to be the opposite of that where every game she'll play out a bit differently.
Roughly off my head it was something like:
4 noble
1 bird
2 pridemage
2 ooze
1 voice
4 nacatl
4 tarmo
4 knight
some amount of smiter
maybe 1-2 thundermaw, there was alot of lingering souls back then.
2-3 domri
1 elspeth
1 ajani V
22 lands
15 sideboard cards against combo, because kibler hates losing against combo.
Just google kibler zoo ajani domri. I'm sure it will pop up somewhere.
Guys please opinions on japanese cards. Lost a 3/3 creature against Japan celestial colonade. This guy played all creatures and spells in english cards, but some cards in his manabase was japanese. I dont registrated this really ( my brain say its all fine and all english to me lets attack his empty board)...and i am sure it is a Kind of legal cheating. It is not ok, but i know legal. I Hate such people. I never forget colonade normally, but with this Tricks it can happen one time in 3 years and such people take advantage of this
If I am a customer spending premium amount of dollars, I expect a premium service. Jund falls into the category of a premium deck costing more dollars than a majority of the rest of the format. I'm not getting the desired performance ratio per dollars spent out of the Jund deck because WOTC decided to make the format more diverse.
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No, what I said was there was 3 different reasons it could be that I didnt love it, and I suspected it was that I didnt have the right bullets in the main vs side.
4 Monastery Swiftspear
4 Wild Nacatl
4 Eidolon of the Great Revel
3 Ghor-Clan Rampager
3 Gut Shot
4 Lightning Bolt
4 Mutagenic Growth
3 Atarka's Command
4 Boros Charm
3 Become Immense
4 Bloodstained Mire
3 Copperline Gorge
1 Forest
1 Mountain
2 Sacred Foundry
2 Stomping Ground
4 Wooded Foothills
2 Forked Bolt
1 Gut Shot
3 Guttural Response
1 Path to Exile
1 Pillar of Flame
3 Destructive Revelry
2 Searing Blaze
2 Dismember
Frenzy-Affinity-Ghost Quarter-Rock-Tokens- RGWPhyrexian Zoo- WVial KnightsStandard:
BW Knights(Rotated)Pioneer: RW Knights - BW Rally Zombies - UW Heroes
Commander:WUG
Jenara, Asura of War- WGSigarda, Host of HeronsCasualties of economicsLegacy: Good-night, sweet prince. Mono-R Burn
http://sales.starcitygames.com//deckdatabase/displaydeck.php?DeckID=100769
http://www.mtggoldfish.com/archetype/modern-g-r-aggro-23615#paper
4 Burning-Tree Emissary
4 Experiment One
4 Flinthoof Boar
3 Ghor-Clan Rampager
4 Kird Ape
4 Reckless Bushwhacker
4 Tarmogoyf
4 Wild Nacatl
Lands (18)
2 Forest
1 Mountain
2 Arid Mesa
1 Sacred Foundry
3 Stomping Ground
1 Temple Garden
4 Windswept Heath
4 Wooded Foothills
4 Atarka's Command
4 Lightning Bolt
1 Mutagenic Growth
2 Vines of Vastwood
4 Eidolon of the Great Revel
2 Ancient Grudge
2 Destructive Revelry
1 Electrickery
2 Gaddock Teeg
2 Domri Rade
2 Molten Rain
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I really like this mainboard, buying the commands I'll play with this list certainly
Grixis Delver RBU
Abzan BGW
Legacy
Elves GB
Abzan Deathblade BGW
Thanks... I'm not sure what makes the deck Phyrexian unless it's shot and growth...
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I had a similar list with blue instead of white for gitaxian probe, serum visions, and stormchaser mage. It's a ton of fun to play until you come up against a deck with lightning bolt. I routinely shot myself for 10-14 every game just for prowess triggers and mana fixing.
—Barrin, Principia
Now trading on deckbox.org as well.
here's my current list:
4 Path to Exile
4 Lightning Bolt
4 Wild Nacatl
4 Dark Confidant
3 Qasali Pridemage
3 Lightning Helix
2 Ayli, Eternal Pilgrim
1 Loxodon Smiter
2 Anafenza, the Foremost
3 Knight of the Reliquary
4 Siege Rhino
1 Worship
I had a friend at my lgs help me with this, and it's felt really good (although I haven't gotten to play Ayli yet, so I have no idea if she's worth the slots). Games play completely different when I get a Dark Confidant out, and Worship just seems to win certain match-ups by itself. I haven't had enough opportunities to play though, and I was wondering if there are any obvious weaknesses I am missing. I know I need scavenging ooze, those will probably replace both Ayli and one Pridemage. Other than that I want more Smiters, and I'm still working on the sideboard and manabase (which is ok, but suboptimal for the moment, I don't have zendikar fetches). Any thoughts on changes? Also worried about it being unfocused and stuck between aggro and midrange, but I'll figure that out with more testing.
Edit: Thought I was doing the deck tags right but that looks like ***** :/ not sure how to fix it.
Edit2: Got it to look okay.
"What does MtheW stand for? The world may never know."
"What does MtheW stand for? The world may never know."
I'm currently running 2 Arlinn and 1 Elspeth. Considering taking out my 2nd Thundermaw for either a Domri, Chandra or Huntmaster.
Is it just me, or does Molten Rain seem like a "no no" with only 18 land? You want to cast it T3, and it seems like 3 land by T3 wouldn't be very consistent... but then again, I have never been a fan of Molten Rain (or other 3 cmc spells) in Burn either for the same reason.
I love gaddock in sides, and was thinking about running it myself. Its pretty good against a field of combo (if one or more key cards is 4 cmc) and control, since with gaddock on the board you aint wiping anytime soon. I think its VERY good right now come to think of it, with all this scapeshift Ive been seeing. Bring to light is stupid strong, espeicially now that scapeshift is 4 colors, running black for damnation and stuff. They are basically running 5ish anger of the gods, 5ish damanations, 5ish scapeshift, meaning they can wipe youre board in a ton of ways, or just flat out win. Gaddock stops ALL of that.
It is fun and it can win absolutely out of nowhere. I remember a game where I was at low life, my opponent was at twenty-plus and I had to hard-cast Rampager to stay alive. I drew into Swifty, Boros Charm and Become Immense; swung for twenty-three and just grinned like a idiot.
Frenzy-Affinity-Ghost Quarter-Rock-Tokens- RGWPhyrexian Zoo- WVial KnightsStandard:
BW Knights(Rotated)Pioneer: RW Knights - BW Rally Zombies - UW Heroes
Commander:WUG
Jenara, Asura of War- WGSigarda, Host of HeronsCasualties of economicsLegacy: Good-night, sweet prince. Mono-R Burn
http://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/344817#paper
4 Wild Nacatl
1 Birds of Paradise
1 Voice of Resurgence
2 Scavenging Ooze
4 Tarmogoyf
2 Qasali Pridemage
4 Knight of the Reliquary
3 Loxodon Smiter
3 Oath of Nissa
3 Path to Exile
4 Lightning Bolt
2 Arlinn Kord
1 Elspeth, Knight-Errant
2 Forest
1 Kessig Wolf Run
1 Plains
1 Sacred Foundry
1 Stirring Wildwood
2 Stomping Ground
1 Temple Garden
4 Windswept Heath
4 Wooded Foothills
1 Ghost Quarter
1 Horizon Canopy
2 Stony Silence
2 Thalia, Guardian of Thraben
2 Hushwing Gryff
2 Blood Moon
1 Aven Mindcensor
2 Kitchen Finks
1 Path to Exile
1 Sigarda, Host of Herons
1 Fracturing Gust
1 Gaddock Teeg
Alright, this updated versions been solid as a rock for me. Gaddock was that last key I needed to sure up a couple matches. Guest and that path could be something else non creature like Explosives or clasm. Up to you really. But this has been over preforming for me.
4 noble
1 bird
2 pridemage
2 ooze
1 voice
4 nacatl
4 tarmo
4 knight
some amount of smiter
maybe 1-2 thundermaw, there was alot of lingering souls back then.
2-3 domri
1 elspeth
1 ajani V
22 lands
15 sideboard cards against combo, because kibler hates losing against combo.
Just google kibler zoo ajani domri. I'm sure it will pop up somewhere.
I'm running something similar and just started trying Arlinn out in earnest over Chandra, Pyromaster. Is there any general rule of thumb aside from "don't just +0 her right away against bolt decks" that people can give? I'm looking for patterns you find yourselves in against other archetypes that seems to be good lines to take.
I know that as I use her more I'll figure out the lines I like but I'm sure I'm not the only one in this situation. Elspeth is fairly simple - land her and jump / make chump blockers as needed until someone is dead. Arlinn Kord seems to be the opposite of that where every game she'll play out a bit differently.
Also, I'm using 4 walkers right now. 2 Arlinn, 1 Elspeth, 1 Chandra. Working great.
WGUBR 5c Humans
GWR Naya Zoo
Legacy:
GW GW Maverick
R Goblins
Found this http://bmkgaming.com/grand-prix-minneapolis-decklist/
and this http://www.starcitygames.com/events/coverage/deck_tech_big_zoo_with_brian_k.html
and this http://www.starcitygames.com/article/28798_Video-Naya-Zoo-In-Modern.html