What's the word on predator ooze? The 3 forest indestructible one. Worth a 1 or 2 of. I love messing with this deck
This was discussed a while back, the general conclusion was that it's too slow, and not worth it in a format with Path to Exile as prevalent as it is. It's removal-resistant and counts 3 devotion for Aspect, but I'd prefer Dungrove Elder over it for a 3-cost creature that's hard to remove and gets bigger over time.
i feel my list is solid but ive never seen one till ast nite
Just posted it one page back - I honestly think I may have lost more games than I've won because of Canopy lately. A LOT of aggresive decks out there. Other than that, the presence of 3 Scooze is just a must atm. So many decks using and abusing the GY these days that leaving home w/o Scooze is a bad idea.
Dungrove is very, very good and definetly a contender. Both Dungrove and Leatherback are in some respects plan B of the deck. If plan A (get them dead by turn 4) doesn't work out, we attempt to grind our opponents out (I actually managed to grind down the G/W Wescoe list over 2 games yesterday). Dungrove does that eminently, but he is very, very slow. He also doesn't really get along with Treetop and Aspect, both of which seem more important atm than Dungrove. That being said, landing a Dungrove or a Thrun against some decks is just GG. I enjoyed both back when Jeskai Burn/Flash was a tier 1 deck, since they just curled up and died, but Grixis Control doesn't seem to warrant too many changes to the maindeck.
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Definitely want the Scavenging Ooze. I've been running a deck that loves graveyard abuse myself and it's pretty much the only good way to counter shinanigans next to grafdigger's cage. The downside to running it is that you also need vines of vastwood or some means to protect it. Been trying to brainstorm ways to deal with it outside of removal, such as making someone discard one and then surgical extraction. Or just do the rare case and use Infinite Obliteration.
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An upgrade from Tusker wouldn't hurt - any 3/3 with a keyword or some kind of incidental hate like on Militant. Alternately a Geist-like card to give us even more resilience.
Better SB options - would love some kind of silver bullet answer to the truly horrible matchups like Affinity/Tron/Amulet.
A 1-drop would have to be very, very good to compete with the ones available. Nettle Sentinel is quite powerful and not close to seeing play imo.
I'd be interested in seeing something reminiscent of Flametongue Kavu. A creature that fights target creature when ETB. Perhaps a 2/3 Reach for GG or a 4/4 Trample for GGG. Possibly OP.
Well, there is Geralf's Messenger, but I don't think it's stompy material. Way too much devotion to black to make that work in the 3 slot.
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Just finished a daily 2-2. Beat UW Sun Titan Control and Amulet Bloom, lost a real close G3 to Infect and got the ol' double Etched Champion treatment in round 4. It's the decks that can go wider than us that I struggle with. Merfolk, Elves, and Affinity (less-so.) Pump spells and trample seems to be the only way to stand a chance and they're still pretty abysmal match-ups. Feeling pretty good about everything else.
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Seriously considering walking away from stompy for a bit. It just doesn't feel like it's in a great place in the meta right now, too many combos running around that absolutely trounce it. I'm not putting up the same consistent results I was three months ago with the deck. At first I thought I'd just whiffed on draws for a couple of tournaments but it's gotten to the point where I'm consistently down 1-2 wins from where I was placing with it. I may head back to Abzan Midrange for a bit. I'll try to keep up with the thread though and keep on top of any new developments. I came here from Abzan, so the meta's bound to swing back towards it eventually.
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I seem to do alright against Elves as long as I have Hunt the Hunter as extra removal to bring in from my sideboard. Affinity and Fish are still my two biggest problems.
Re: Affinity, our Avatar of the Resolute having reach is actually relevant in that it can kill an early Signal Pest or block an Inky. Even so, it's not nearly enough. Even with 3 copies of Oxidize and 2 copies of Creeping Corrosion, I still feel lacking. Those dang Etched Champions and Arcbound Ravagers are so brutal. I'm pondering something that gives us protection from artifacts in some way. Either an individual creature like Nacatl Savage / Tel-Jilad Chosen, or something that lets EVERYONE get through, like Tanglewalker. Tanglewalker is the biggest candidate in my mind, but even with that out on the field -- can we out-race them?
Re: Merfolk, I have no idea. Choke seems like too little, too late, and I don't know what else we could do against a tribal deck that goes THAT wide, THAT fast, with THAT many answers.
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@vSoordi: I still have CoCo as a 2-of in my mainboard. It comes in handy in the sorts of situations where my hand and board is exhausted, and I need a way to push through for a second wave of aggression. It's very much a "plan B" sort of card, and if I were putting more eggs into the "plan A" basket, I would take out the CoCo and put in a couple more Aspect of Hydra into the main. Even so, I still think I like CoCo, but I recognize it's a less popular choice around these parts. I tend to side it out when I need more hate against someone who doesn't have much removal (like Affinity), and I just need to outrace them and stall them. If you try it, I'd love to know your thoughts on it!
@rdwkidd: What would it replace? For 2 mana, the 1 toughness means that -- sure, I can't lightning bolt it, but it doesn't have evasion, and anyone can throw a thopter token or a memnite or a goblin token in front of it to trade with it. In the 2-drop slot, our other threats of Kalonian Tusker, Scavenging Ooze, and Avatar of the Resolute offer quite a bit more punch. I think the only reason that Strangleroot Geist can fit as a 2/1 in our deck is that it both has haste and undying. What does our deck want? We want more evasive creatures, harder-hitting-creatures, more resilient creatures, better mid-game and late-game scaling. Bassara Tower Archer doesn't feel like it would give us much advantage except that it's more resistant to spot removal.
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Sam Pardee on Channel Fireball just posted a blue/black Faeries deck tech / demo, and in match 3 it was great to see his opponent play T1 forest + Experiment One. Sam was definitely caught a little off guard, and this was an excellent video showcasing the power of Stompy:
Han: Those answers to Affinity seem far too narrow and situational. We need a 2-3 mana hoser to be competitive against them, imo.
Faeries is an insanely good match-up for us, so I'm not surprised he got wrecked.
What technology does one use to record games on MTGO? I wouldn't hate recording some of my matches for play feedback etc.
I've been getting real outside the box on things I want to test, lately. Ornithopter has me curious, evolves Experiment One on the first turn which makes T2 Avatar insane, flies with a Rancor or can get pumped if unblocked, slides under Ensnaring Bridge, blocks Etched Champion, good at blocking Lingering Souls, and can be played while leaving mana up against Twin etc while still providing board presence, even if it's insanely little.
I've also considered Slaughter Pact as a last act through a blocker for the kill, because there have been so many times where I could kill through one blocker and then got the board turned around on me.
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Faeries is an insanely good match-up for us, so I'm not surprised he got wrecked.
What technology does one use to record games on MTGO? I wouldn't hate recording some of my matches for play feedback etc.
I don't like playing on MTGO, but I love watching games and giving feedback -- you would have one loyal viewer right here.
As far as what software to use, I think that OBS is probably the best one right now: https://obsproject.com/
You can use it to either record and store your videos locally (for later uploading to YouTube), or it can also stream directly to Twitch. If you started streaming, I for one would definitely follow you and at least watch your previous broadcasts (even if I can't manage to get online when you do).
I've been getting real outside the box on things I want to test, lately. Ornithopter has me curious, evolves Experiment One on the first turn which makes T2 Avatar insane, flies with a Rancor or can get pumped if unblocked, slides under Ensnaring Bridge, blocks Etched Champion, good at blocking Lingering Souls, and can be played while leaving mana up against Twin etc while still providing board presence, even if it's insanely little.
I've also considered Slaughter Pact as a last act through a blocker for the kill, because there have been so many times where I could kill through one blocker and then got the board turned around on me.
And you're already running 4 copies of Dismember? I can't see where I would want a fifth copy of that card -- especially one that said, "win the game now, or lose."
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I've also considered Slaughter Pact as a last act through a blocker for the kill, because there have been so many times where I could kill through one blocker and then got the board turned around on me.
And you're already running 4 copies of Dismember? I can't see where I would want a fifth copy of that card -- especially one that said, "win the game now, or lose."
Something like a costed 1/2 reach Kataki, War's Wage would be wonderful sideboard material for us.
I'd also like to see a costed 3/4 first strike Thalia, Guardian of Thraben that hates on non-green + non-white spells instead of non-creature.
Still need help on the restore balance matchup guys... infect too
I have a Restore Balance deck too. Against the no-post version is much easier, because generaly your lands survives. But the borderpost version really screw your day, destroying your creatures and lands. The good thing about this version is that you can use artifact hate. Your Oxidize becomes a Sinkhole against them. With a white splash in Stompy, Stony Silence basically shuts down the deck. But the No-post version is really hard to hate. If it becomes a problem for you, the best sideboard card you can use is Tajuru Preserver, but i don´t think that spend sideboard space for a "out of radar" deck is a good thing.
Infect is faster against us. The answer is Dismember,preferably four-of, and artifact hate for the Inkmoth Nexus. Oh, and Vines of Vastwood counters his pumps.
Still need help on the restore balance matchup guys... infect too
I've only played against restore balance once, and I easily won, and have never seen it since, so I haven't given it much thought. It's just a sweeper that'll maybe take a land or two (unless it has all the posts). Sideboard: probably Dismember / Beast Within and artifact hate if they play the artifact mana things. All of their suspend guys (not counting gargadon) die to dismember, and even gargadon can usually be taken out with a dismember + chumping with pretty much any creature we have, or just a simple beast within.
I remember the guy who I played against was not playing with the artifact mana fixing, so one game he was really durdling around and I guess having mana issues. I think it's a 5 color deck with some sketchy mana, so it can be a little "glass cannon", but the one with better mana is really vulnerable to artifact hate, and targeted discard ... which loads of decks around me run, so I'm pretty sure that's why I never see it being played.
Infect though: artifact + creature destruction. They'll often have either inkmoth or spellskite, so instant speed artifact hate is great. Vines is obviously good for keeping them from pumping too much. Dismember is great, Beast Within is good, Gut Shot is ok. Guttural Response can often be good against them too if they're siding in dispel, and most run main spell pierce and one of the 1 cmc blue evasion enablers. I haven't had much trouble with infect since we got avatar. He helps so much against inkmoth and their black flyer. We can usually kill off or chump their glistener / ichorclaw, and a lot of my kill spells hit blighted agent. Another card that's great in so many matchups (but especially infect) is Fog. You can usually 2 or 3 for 1 them with that. They'll load up a blighted agent with might + vines and have exalted or pendalhaven, and then you just fog it. It's such a blowout if it is timed correctly. It also works well on affinity when they go all-in. I have won a lot of tron matchups by simply fogging a wurmcoil attack and then getting an alpha strike the next turn for lethal.
My cardboard meta is expensive tier 1 deck heavy (jund, abzan, twin, affinity, zoo, RUG delver, grixis, infect, etc...), so I definitely have my deck and sideboard tailored to that, but yeah I worry very little about "cheaper" decks like tron, merfolk, burn, boggles, etc... and not at all about budget stuff since my significant other and I are the only ones who ever play "budget" decks when we show up with our cardboard.
i feel my list is solid but ive never seen one till ast nite
Definitely want the Scavenging Ooze. I've been running a deck that loves graveyard abuse myself and it's pretty much the only good way to counter shinanigans next to grafdigger's cage. The downside to running it is that you also need vines of vastwood or some means to protect it. Been trying to brainstorm ways to deal with it outside of removal, such as making someone discard one and then surgical extraction. Or just do the rare case and use Infinite Obliteration.
1. (Ravnica Allegiance): You can't keep a good esper control deck down... Or Wilderness Reclamation... or Gates...
2. (War of the Spark): Guys, I know what we need! We need a cycle of really idiotic flavor text victory cards! Jace's Triumph...
3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
Better SB options - would love some kind of silver bullet answer to the truly horrible matchups like Affinity/Tron/Amulet.
A 1-drop would have to be very, very good to compete with the ones available. Nettle Sentinel is quite powerful and not close to seeing play imo.
Aggressive bodies with incidental hate.
I'd be interested in seeing something reminiscent of Flametongue Kavu. A creature that fights target creature when ETB. Perhaps a 2/3 Reach for GG or a 4/4 Trample for GGG. Possibly OP.
A reprint of Phantom Centaur lol.
1. (Ravnica Allegiance): You can't keep a good esper control deck down... Or Wilderness Reclamation... or Gates...
2. (War of the Spark): Guys, I know what we need! We need a cycle of really idiotic flavor text victory cards! Jace's Triumph...
3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
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Re: Affinity, our Avatar of the Resolute having reach is actually relevant in that it can kill an early Signal Pest or block an Inky. Even so, it's not nearly enough. Even with 3 copies of Oxidize and 2 copies of Creeping Corrosion, I still feel lacking. Those dang Etched Champions and Arcbound Ravagers are so brutal. I'm pondering something that gives us protection from artifacts in some way. Either an individual creature like Nacatl Savage / Tel-Jilad Chosen, or something that lets EVERYONE get through, like Tanglewalker. Tanglewalker is the biggest candidate in my mind, but even with that out on the field -- can we out-race them?
Re: Merfolk, I have no idea. Choke seems like too little, too late, and I don't know what else we could do against a tribal deck that goes THAT wide, THAT fast, with THAT many answers.
Hunt the hunter is really good against Elves, and im siding it in against some decks that have green mana dorks too.
Tanglewalker is a card that i'll give a try, really liked the idea. I guess it could be good in my meta, which is full of Affinity.
And HanClinto, i see that you are playing with CoCo, how is that build going now?
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@rdwkidd: What would it replace? For 2 mana, the 1 toughness means that -- sure, I can't lightning bolt it, but it doesn't have evasion, and anyone can throw a thopter token or a memnite or a goblin token in front of it to trade with it. In the 2-drop slot, our other threats of Kalonian Tusker, Scavenging Ooze, and Avatar of the Resolute offer quite a bit more punch. I think the only reason that Strangleroot Geist can fit as a 2/1 in our deck is that it both has haste and undying. What does our deck want? We want more evasive creatures, harder-hitting-creatures, more resilient creatures, better mid-game and late-game scaling. Bassara Tower Archer doesn't feel like it would give us much advantage except that it's more resistant to spot removal.
Sam Pardee playing U/B Faeries vs. Mono Green Stompy
Faeries is an insanely good match-up for us, so I'm not surprised he got wrecked.
What technology does one use to record games on MTGO? I wouldn't hate recording some of my matches for play feedback etc.
I've been getting real outside the box on things I want to test, lately. Ornithopter has me curious, evolves Experiment One on the first turn which makes T2 Avatar insane, flies with a Rancor or can get pumped if unblocked, slides under Ensnaring Bridge, blocks Etched Champion, good at blocking Lingering Souls, and can be played while leaving mana up against Twin etc while still providing board presence, even if it's insanely little.
I've also considered Slaughter Pact as a last act through a blocker for the kill, because there have been so many times where I could kill through one blocker and then got the board turned around on me.
Something like a 3-mana Creeping Corrosion? What would something like this look like? Examples from other colors are fine.
I don't like playing on MTGO, but I love watching games and giving feedback -- you would have one loyal viewer right here.
As far as what software to use, I think that OBS is probably the best one right now:
https://obsproject.com/
You can use it to either record and store your videos locally (for later uploading to YouTube), or it can also stream directly to Twitch. If you started streaming, I for one would definitely follow you and at least watch your previous broadcasts (even if I can't manage to get online when you do).
Wow -- that is outside of the box indeed.
And you're already running 4 copies of Dismember? I can't see where I would want a fifth copy of that card -- especially one that said, "win the game now, or lose."
Something like a
I'd also like to see a
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I have a Restore Balance deck too. Against the no-post version is much easier, because generaly your lands survives. But the borderpost version really screw your day, destroying your creatures and lands. The good thing about this version is that you can use artifact hate. Your Oxidize becomes a Sinkhole against them. With a white splash in Stompy, Stony Silence basically shuts down the deck. But the No-post version is really hard to hate. If it becomes a problem for you, the best sideboard card you can use is Tajuru Preserver, but i don´t think that spend sideboard space for a "out of radar" deck is a good thing.
Infect is faster against us. The answer is Dismember,preferably four-of, and artifact hate for the Inkmoth Nexus. Oh, and Vines of Vastwood counters his pumps.
I've only played against restore balance once, and I easily won, and have never seen it since, so I haven't given it much thought. It's just a sweeper that'll maybe take a land or two (unless it has all the posts). Sideboard: probably Dismember / Beast Within and artifact hate if they play the artifact mana things. All of their suspend guys (not counting gargadon) die to dismember, and even gargadon can usually be taken out with a dismember + chumping with pretty much any creature we have, or just a simple beast within.
I remember the guy who I played against was not playing with the artifact mana fixing, so one game he was really durdling around and I guess having mana issues. I think it's a 5 color deck with some sketchy mana, so it can be a little "glass cannon", but the one with better mana is really vulnerable to artifact hate, and targeted discard ... which loads of decks around me run, so I'm pretty sure that's why I never see it being played.
Infect though: artifact + creature destruction. They'll often have either inkmoth or spellskite, so instant speed artifact hate is great. Vines is obviously good for keeping them from pumping too much. Dismember is great, Beast Within is good, Gut Shot is ok. Guttural Response can often be good against them too if they're siding in dispel, and most run main spell pierce and one of the 1 cmc blue evasion enablers. I haven't had much trouble with infect since we got avatar. He helps so much against inkmoth and their black flyer. We can usually kill off or chump their glistener / ichorclaw, and a lot of my kill spells hit blighted agent. Another card that's great in so many matchups (but especially infect) is Fog. You can usually 2 or 3 for 1 them with that. They'll load up a blighted agent with might + vines and have exalted or pendalhaven, and then you just fog it. It's such a blowout if it is timed correctly. It also works well on affinity when they go all-in. I have won a lot of tron matchups by simply fogging a wurmcoil attack and then getting an alpha strike the next turn for lethal.
My cardboard meta is expensive tier 1 deck heavy (jund, abzan, twin, affinity, zoo, RUG delver, grixis, infect, etc...), so I definitely have my deck and sideboard tailored to that, but yeah I worry very little about "cheaper" decks like tron, merfolk, burn, boggles, etc... and not at all about budget stuff since my significant other and I are the only ones who ever play "budget" decks when we show up with our cardboard.
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