has anyone tried nevermore? feels like it'd be another good card vs a variety of things that are problematic, especially surgical or slaughter games.
i dislike the permanent aspect of such an answer, but i've struggled to find anything else that really stymies surgical
It really just feels a bit too slow.
Turn 3 is typically the turn we want to be trying to cascade into a RB so it's already kinda competing in that three drop slot.
Also, there's the fact that we'd want to have it down naming Surgical before we go to RB so getting off that cascade would likely be happening on turn 4 (which sometimes isn't enough).
Now I know Jace seems decent but I wasn't expecting him back so I've been toying with paying Bloodbraid Elf as a value finisher. Maybe only as a two or three of but what do you guys think about BBE is it to cute or is viable?
Well, now that Jace, the Mind Sculptor is unbanned, I've been doing some testing on Xmage against bots (since he isn't technically legal in Modern yet).
Here's the list I've been messing around with. For me, Jace, the Mind Sculptor takes the slot of Supreme Will since a repeatable Brainstorm and even a potential wincon for just 4 mana is objectively better than going four deep and only getting one card or possibly getting to counter something for 3.
I'm sure over time we'll be able to better figure out where exactly he slots into the deck, but for now, I think this is pretty good.
With the steong blue cards coming out and being unbanned, I’m sure there’s a more blue focused build available to us now. Jace could probably replace Nahiri as a wincon in blue-based builds.
On the topic of BBE I was thinking of playing two just as a valuable finisher that can either Restore or progress my board state while being a nice clock. I know its not the best thing we could need but even cascading into a As Fortold or a lock piece seems quite nice. My best case scenario seems to be BBE cascade into a Gideon or Monastery Siege and then beat them to death. Also with Jace being introduced if we increase the amount of walkers are there better options then Ghostly Prison for this doesn't help very much when they are just punching our Wincons to death. My list is below with A testing split of BBE and Jace. https://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/restoring-modern/?cb=1518538115
I've kinda followed what most decks in this primer have done, and what I've seen from MTGtop8/ my experience at my local game shop. I went 1-1-1 that night using the deck in the spoiler.
1-1 against a Jeskia Control
1-2 Madcap Experiment (Never got the combo, so he just U/W me down)
2-0 Troll Worship
Other decks present but didn't face
Affinity
Goblins
Mono Green Tron
Eldrazi D&T
B/R Hollowed One Vegvine
I updated my sideboard to look like/used this one for that night
1 Wrath of God
2 Kozilek's Return
4 Wear // Tear
3 Ravenous Trap
4 Ricochet Trap
1 Demonic Dread
On the topic of BBE I was thinking of playing two just as a valuable finisher that can either Restore or progress my board state while being a nice clock. I know its not the best thing we could need but even cascading into a As Fortold or a lock piece seems quite nice. My best case scenario seems to be BBE cascade into a Gideon or Monastery Siege and then beat them to death. Also with Jace being introduced if we increase the amount of walkers are there better options then Ghostly Prison for this doesn't help very much when they are just punching our Wincons to death. My list is below with A testing split of BBE and Jace. https://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/restoring-modern/?cb=1518538115
I'm just not convinced BBE is worth running. With how many CMC 3 cards we run, I worry it would be too inconsistent. That, and I'm really opposed to adding more creatures, since that makes our RBs weaker. Of course, anything is worth testing, so I'd be interested to hear how it works for you. I'd love to test Jace, but unfortunately I own 0 copies and can't justify that price tag...
I feel like a Jace build would be more blue focused, running Jace instead of Nahiri.
Jace’s fateseal is incredibly powerful after a balance.
Jace’s Brainstorm helps recover from balances, save discarding cards from balance, and lets you put balance on top of the library in order to cascade into it.
Jace’s bounce can remove some problem creatures but also bounce Gargodons so you can sacrifice again.
The main problem with Jace is that we’d have to orient towards blue. I’m debating if Jace is the missing link to a blue-focused cascade-less balance, but I kinda don’t want to try.
See this is where I'm sad, I'm already on the before mentioned blue build though I am a blue when're primarily. I think Jace is a great addition but I don't currently have funds to see about playing him. Though I do have some news on the BBE Front that being that I did some testing and where some times it's great I would prefer other options like counters for more control or Metalwork as a finisher. Though a point of contention still remains for me, with more walkers how viable is Ghostly Prison as protection or a prison piece?
I want to try to find an alternative option to Ghostly Prison but have yet to have any luck for my main win cons are a 9/7, 5/5, 4/4, and a 15/15 so I can't think of a viable way to use Ensnaring Bridge. This is my current dilemma that and I don't know the viability of Metalwork. I don't have an insane snout of time to test but it's just been ehh so far.
For me, the problem with Ensnaring Bridge is that it shuts down our own wincons (Gargadon, Emrakul, Colossus). That being said, I could see Bridge as a strong choice in a Jace-focused list.
That's the recent version of the deck I have (Though right now I don't have the 4 leylines)
With your suggestion, what changes would you make?
The problem I'm having, is minor mana inconsistencies. (Eventually I'm buying fetches)
A couple of friends suggested cutting Simian Spirit Guide(4) for
On cutting the spirit guides for lands, I think 3 is the minimum number of guides to run. The ability to balance without them expecting one is huge, especially once they know what you’re on.
Also, I’d say wiping their mana is just as effective as it used to be. What makes you say it isn’t?
Hi everyone I'm not a player of the deck, but was just thinking about an idea that I thought some of you might find useful.
By now everyone probably knows that the ruling on split cards has changed, so cascading into split cards to cast one or another half won't work like it used to, since it counts the cumulative cost of both halves now. But what if that could be used to a player's advantage? What if some split cards could be used to control the game, or some utility, in order to avoid being cascaded into while still serving that function? Some cards that came to mind:
Research//Development could even be used to pull silver bullets out of the sideboard to reliably cascade into. Depending on how greedy people could be with the manabase, it might just be possible to splash lots of different colors. Just thought I'd put the idea out there.
My friend said because of the amount of mana fixing and ramp there is and how aggressively costed most cards are.
So you think cutting 1 mana monkey for the 4th Wilds would probably help shore up my mana inconsistencies?
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It really just feels a bit too slow.
Turn 3 is typically the turn we want to be trying to cascade into a RB so it's already kinda competing in that three drop slot.
Also, there's the fact that we'd want to have it down naming Surgical before we go to RB so getting off that cascade would likely be happening on turn 4 (which sometimes isn't enough).
Do somebody remember, why don't we play Street Wraith in the main? Especially in the Mardu Balance list?
Pretty much everyone has cut black at this point and for the people that aren't running black, a free cycler really isn't worth the slots.
My current list (it is pretty old, i haven't played recently) is Mardu Balance.
https://deckbox.org/sets/1758159
I am planning to start with this list but include some Street wraith. I think I will cut some land and one Balance.
Jenn, think you can gather data on him? Work has gotten the better of me and I’m swamped.
If anyone else wants to gather data, too, please do. Jenn has a decent chunk of pre-Jace data and I want to compare.
Here's the list I've been messing around with. For me, Jace, the Mind Sculptor takes the slot of Supreme Will since a repeatable Brainstorm and even a potential wincon for just 4 mana is objectively better than going four deep and only getting one card or possibly getting to counter something for 3.
I'm sure over time we'll be able to better figure out where exactly he slots into the deck, but for now, I think this is pretty good.
4x Violent Outburst
4x Ardent Plea
4x Restore Balance
Creatures
4x Greater Gargadon
1x Emrakul, the Aeons Torn
3x Simian Spirit Guide
1x Thassa, God of the Sea
Lands
4x Terramorphic Expanse
1x Forest
2x Evolving Wilds
2x Island
3x Mountain
2x Plains
4x Fieldmist Borderpost
4x Firewild Borderpost
2x Wildfield Borderpost
Other Spells
2x As Foretold
3x Beast Within
3x Leyline of Sanctity
1x Blood Moon
Planeswalker
1x Gideon of the Trials
3x Nahiri, the Harbinger
2x Jace, the Mind Sculptor
2x Anger of the Gods
1x Bow of Nylea
1x Keranos, God of Storms
1x Blood Moon
2x Ghostly Prison
1x Odds // Ends
1x Ravenous Trap
2x Ricochet Trap
1x Thrun, the Last Troll
3x Wear // Tear
List on TappedOut
https://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/restoring-modern/?cb=1518538115
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http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/15-02-18-rb/
I've kinda followed what most decks in this primer have done, and what I've seen from MTGtop8/ my experience at my local game shop. I went 1-1-1 that night using the deck in the spoiler.
1-1 against a Jeskia Control
1-2 Madcap Experiment (Never got the combo, so he just U/W me down)
2-0 Troll Worship
Other decks present but didn't face
Affinity
Goblins
Mono Green Tron
Eldrazi D&T
B/R Hollowed One Vegvine
I updated my sideboard to look like/used this one for that night
1 Wrath of God
2 Kozilek's Return
4 Wear // Tear
3 Ravenous Trap
4 Ricochet Trap
1 Demonic Dread
I'm just not convinced BBE is worth running. With how many CMC 3 cards we run, I worry it would be too inconsistent. That, and I'm really opposed to adding more creatures, since that makes our RBs weaker. Of course, anything is worth testing, so I'd be interested to hear how it works for you. I'd love to test Jace, but unfortunately I own 0 copies and can't justify that price tag...
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Jace’s fateseal is incredibly powerful after a balance.
Jace’s Brainstorm helps recover from balances, save discarding cards from balance, and lets you put balance on top of the library in order to cascade into it.
Jace’s bounce can remove some problem creatures but also bounce Gargodons so you can sacrifice again.
The main problem with Jace is that we’d have to orient towards blue. I’m debating if Jace is the missing link to a blue-focused cascade-less balance, but I kinda don’t want to try.
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Modern
Restore Balance RWUG
Kiki Chord RWG
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/15-02-18-rb/
That's the recent version of the deck I have (Though right now I don't have the 4 leylines)
With your suggestion, what changes would you make?
The problem I'm having, is minor mana inconsistencies. (Eventually I'm buying fetches)
A couple of friends suggested cutting Simian Spirit Guide(4) for
Since wiping their mana isn't as effective as it use to be these days.
Also, I’d say wiping their mana is just as effective as it used to be. What makes you say it isn’t?
By now everyone probably knows that the ruling on split cards has changed, so cascading into split cards to cast one or another half won't work like it used to, since it counts the cumulative cost of both halves now. But what if that could be used to a player's advantage? What if some split cards could be used to control the game, or some utility, in order to avoid being cascaded into while still serving that function? Some cards that came to mind:
Turn//Burn
Reduce//Rubble
Struggle//Survive
Rough/Tumble
Research//Development could even be used to pull silver bullets out of the sideboard to reliably cascade into. Depending on how greedy people could be with the manabase, it might just be possible to splash lots of different colors. Just thought I'd put the idea out there.
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So you think cutting 1 mana monkey for the 4th Wilds would probably help shore up my mana inconsistencies?