Has anyone tried Whir of Invention to tutor up Lotus Bloom in instant speed?
Just saw a MTGGoldfish video where Seth faces an Ad Nauseam using it, but it seems clunky.
Has anyone tried Whir of Invention to tutor up Lotus Bloom in instant speed?
Just saw a MTGGoldfish video where Seth faces an Ad Nauseam using it, but it seems clunky.
Any opinions?
Tried it for a while, most of the time, i wished it was something else turn 3 like a unlife or something, and always ended up siding it out
bloom isnt really the mvp, its prism, prism makes most of the turn 3s happen.
For Shadow I just bring in Leylines and Grave Titans (a recent addition I've been experimenting with, and he's been amazing), and for Eldrazi Tron I do Leylines (not great, but it stops TKS)know and Truth + Wear/Tear for Chalice. Still rough no matter what though.
For Shadow I just bring in Leylines and Grave Titans (a recent addition I've been experimenting with, and he's been amazing), and for Eldrazi Tron I do Leylines (not great, but it stops TKS)know and Truth + Wear/Tear for Chalice. Still rough no matter what though.
Thanks! What do you take out?
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Usually 3 Pact, 1 Bloom, 1 Sleight and either a Pentad or a Spoils depending on what it is, how I'm feeling, play or draw etc. I play it by ear kind of, still pretty new to the deck though so I'd love to hear the opinions of our more experienced players.
Edit: for Grixis Shadow I actually leave in the Pacts and bring in Boseiju. Don't actually remember what I cut though..
Anyone been making cheeky changes to the main and side boards based around the meta?
Tried 2 Censors in the main, they're coming straight out. When they were good, they were amazing but felt too niche a lot of the time.
Currently got 2 Fatal Pushes in the side, gonna up that to 3 but am wondering if I should play Path instead. Sure they get a land but with Tron and Tasigur existing fatal push doesn't hit everything.
How good is Godhead of Awe against the DS decks? Is it really worth using up 1-3 sideboard slots as I've seen a few lists doing?
Is Gravedigger really worth running anymore? I've had it in my sideboard for a while and have only cast it once in a long time which makes me wonder if it is worth running anymore.
I definitely want to chuck 2 Grafdiggers Cage into the side and am thinking about putting 1-2 Silence into the side too.
I play the Spoils build
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Decks
Standard: GBGB EnergyGB GRGR EnergyGR
Modern: RBUWAd NauseamRBUW GRGR TitanshiftGR UBLUE STEEEEEELU UR Storm U Turbo Turns
I have been working on an Ad Nauseam Death Shadow list, and after several different iterations, this is what I came up with. The deck feels extremely consistent in the sense that I always am able to draw relevant pieces, but at the same time, is susceptible to losing to itself if spoils of the vaults are unlucky. The deck can play around removal by playing spoils into fling in response to any removal spell. The real reason I am considering a death shadow ad nauseam list over a traditional build is that its consistency allows it to play through discard effects much more effectively than regular ad nauseam can, but its weakness to removal does concern me. There seems to be something worth testing more here, but I am not sure what changes need to be made.
I am not sure whether I like this or hate this lol it somehow makes sense but just seems really alien to me. Let me know how this does in testing I'd be extremely interested in trying this.
I love the 1-off cheeky Fling
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Standard: GBGB EnergyGB GRGR EnergyGR
Modern: RBUWAd NauseamRBUW GRGR TitanshiftGR UBLUE STEEEEEELU UR Storm U Turbo Turns
I am not sure whether I like this or hate this lol it somehow makes sense but just seems really alien to me. Let me know how this does in testing I'd be extremely interested in trying this.
I love the 1-off cheeky Fling
So far, the deck is actually working surprisingly well. I have only done some initial testing of this version of the list so far, but the deck beat Grixis Shadow, BW Tokens, and Ascendancy combo, but lost to affinity and jund (although the affinity game isn't very representative as I mulled to 5 both pre/post board). Its been a surprisingly hard deck to play and some of my losses were due to misplays rather than the deck itself.
EDIT: I have played 11 matches now, surprisingly enough, the death shadow side of the deck seems stronger than the ad nauseam side; I currently have a 60% winrate when accounting for only death shadow games and a 40% winrate with ad nauseam only games. Overall match winrate is 54.55%. So far, it feels like the death shadow variant doesn't have the weaknesses that ad nauseam does (it is resilient to discard, surprisingly more resilient to creature removal than I thought thanks to the spoils+fling combo, and can win on turn 3 against non-interactive decks). I will have to play more games with the two lists to see if this trend continues.
I have been working on an Ad Nauseam Death Shadow list, and after several different iterations, this is what I came up with. The deck feels extremely consistent in the sense that I always am able to draw relevant pieces, but at the same time, is susceptible to losing to itself if spoils of the vaults are unlucky. The deck can play around removal by playing spoils into fling in response to any removal spell. The real reason I am considering a death shadow ad nauseam list over a traditional build is that its consistency allows it to play through discard effects much more effectively than regular ad nauseam can, but its weakness to removal does concern me. There seems to be something worth testing more here, but I am not sure what changes need to be made.
I am not sure whether I like this or hate this lol it somehow makes sense but just seems really alien to me. Let me know how this does in testing I'd be extremely interested in trying this.
I love the 1-off cheeky Fling
So far, the deck is actually working surprisingly well. I have only done some initial testing of this version of the list so far, but the deck beat Grixis Shadow, BW Tokens, and Ascendancy combo, but lost to affinity and jund (although the affinity game isn't very representative as I mulled to 5 both pre/post board). Its been a surprisingly hard deck to play and some of my losses were due to misplays rather than the deck itself.
EDIT: I have played 11 matches now, surprisingly enough, the death shadow side of the deck seems stronger than the ad nauseam side; I currently have a 60% winrate when accounting for only death shadow games and a 40% winrate with ad nauseam only games. Overall match winrate is 54.55%. So far, it feels like the death shadow variant doesn't have the weaknesses that ad nauseam does (it is resilient to discard, surprisingly more resilient to creature removal than I thought thanks to the spoils+fling combo, and can win on turn 3 against non-interactive decks). I will have to play more games with the two lists to see if this trend continues.
If you played on cockatrice, I am the BW tokens guy you crashed xD. I have to say that this version is very hard to handle for decks that rely on runed halo as a SB answer for that, you just dont know what to name. However, I feel like you are just winning more of the same matchups you already were good at, with the additional threat of death's shadow. I guess you lose the edge you SB gives you against your bad mu's. no? I mean, you are just changing you wincon, but the idea remains similar. In my case, any of them is already a bad MU, so...
Just saw a MTGGoldfish video where Seth faces an Ad Nauseam using it, but it seems clunky.
Any opinions?
bloom isnt really the mvp, its prism, prism makes most of the turn 3s happen.
Stay reasonable, be mindful of your expectations and don't feed the trolls.
Doomsdayin'
Stay reasonable, be mindful of your expectations and don't feed the trolls.
Doomsdayin'
Edit: for Grixis Shadow I actually leave in the Pacts and bring in Boseiju. Don't actually remember what I cut though..
Tried 2 Censors in the main, they're coming straight out. When they were good, they were amazing but felt too niche a lot of the time.
Currently got 2 Fatal Pushes in the side, gonna up that to 3 but am wondering if I should play Path instead. Sure they get a land but with Tron and Tasigur existing fatal push doesn't hit everything.
How good is Godhead of Awe against the DS decks? Is it really worth using up 1-3 sideboard slots as I've seen a few lists doing?
Is Gravedigger really worth running anymore? I've had it in my sideboard for a while and have only cast it once in a long time which makes me wonder if it is worth running anymore.
I definitely want to chuck 2 Grafdiggers Cage into the side and am thinking about putting 1-2 Silence into the side too.
I play the Spoils build
Decks
Standard:
GBGB EnergyGB
GRGR EnergyGR
Modern:
RBUWAd NauseamRBUW
GRGR TitanshiftGR
UBLUE STEEEEEELU
UR StormU Turbo Turns4 Street Wraith
4 Snapcaster Mage
4 Death's Shadow
1 Simian Spirit Guide
Enchantments
4 Phyrexian Unlife
Instants
4 Angel's Grace
3 Pact of Negation
4 Spoils of the Vault
1 Fling
Land
2 Marsh Flats
1 Island
3 Watery Grave
1 Hallowed Fountain
4 Flooded Strand
4 Polluted Delta
1 Swamp
2 Godless Shrine
1 Steam Vents
1 Blood Crypt
4 Serum Visions
4 Thoughtseize
3 Sleight of Hand
4 Ad Nauseam
4 Lotus Bloom
2 Pentad Prism
3 Simian Spirit Guide
1 Laboratory Maniac
1 Lightning Storm
I went 7-2 with the wish version on Day1 at Copenhagen, and 10-5 after day2.
I'll post a tournament report soon.
Any specific questions you want to ask?
How is your Grixis Death Shadow matchup?
I love the 1-off cheeky Fling
Decks
Standard:
GBGB EnergyGB
GRGR EnergyGR
Modern:
RBUWAd NauseamRBUW
GRGR TitanshiftGR
UBLUE STEEEEEELU
UR StormU Turbo TurnsBW BW Tokens
RG Dredgeplendid Reclamation
RW Boros Burn
GB Elves
RB Dark Goblins
WU Azorius' Relic
You die. Just like if someone Flickerwisps it etc etc.
Although if you are at -26 life you must have access to a pact of negation right?
Decks
Standard:
GBGB EnergyGB
GRGR EnergyGR
Modern:
RBUWAd NauseamRBUW
GRGR TitanshiftGR
UBLUE STEEEEEELU
UR StormU Turbo TurnsSo far, the deck is actually working surprisingly well. I have only done some initial testing of this version of the list so far, but the deck beat Grixis Shadow, BW Tokens, and Ascendancy combo, but lost to affinity and jund (although the affinity game isn't very representative as I mulled to 5 both pre/post board). Its been a surprisingly hard deck to play and some of my losses were due to misplays rather than the deck itself.
EDIT: I have played 11 matches now, surprisingly enough, the death shadow side of the deck seems stronger than the ad nauseam side; I currently have a 60% winrate when accounting for only death shadow games and a 40% winrate with ad nauseam only games. Overall match winrate is 54.55%. So far, it feels like the death shadow variant doesn't have the weaknesses that ad nauseam does (it is resilient to discard, surprisingly more resilient to creature removal than I thought thanks to the spoils+fling combo, and can win on turn 3 against non-interactive decks). I will have to play more games with the two lists to see if this trend continues.
Congratulations!
Well, I'm eager to see your manabase configuration and also your sideboard choices for this open meta we have now in Modern (despite of Shadow.decks)
I hope you'll find some time soon for your report!
Cheers!
I've been thinking about this for so long...so glad you're working on it!!!
If you played on cockatrice, I am the BW tokens guy you crashed xD. I have to say that this version is very hard to handle for decks that rely on runed halo as a SB answer for that, you just dont know what to name. However, I feel like you are just winning more of the same matchups you already were good at, with the additional threat of death's shadow. I guess you lose the edge you SB gives you against your bad mu's. no? I mean, you are just changing you wincon, but the idea remains similar. In my case, any of them is already a bad MU, so...
Nice deck anyway!
BW BW Tokens
RG Dredgeplendid Reclamation
RW Boros Burn
GB Elves
RB Dark Goblins
WU Azorius' Relic