Hmm, I had a Shinka in play, but geist wouldn't survive an attack because the opponent had a restoration angel blocker and I had no burn in hand. In this situation Eiganjo Castle would have been better, making geist survive the attack.
However, I think the deck have more need for the red mana from Shinka than the white mana from Eiganjo Castle.
Yeah, I find the red from Shinka to be more useful than the white from Eiganjo Castle.
The utility for both abilities are rather situational; you can make a case for either one depending on multiple situations. The First Strike is best paired with burn, and it gives a higher return when it works. But the damage prevention is useful in other situations much like the one your described. And this includes things like preventing Pyroclasm from killing Geist -- not that anyone would play a Clasm knowing full well that Castle is there.
I really do think Shinka is the better of the two, given what we need (IMO I like the red mana more). And I think the return of being able to turn a Bolt into a Rhino/Tasigur/Goyf killer is better than what Castle offers. Even though they are very close to each other in terms of utility.
Reprints the one card that people point to when saying that art objectifies women.
Well done Wizards.
Liliana does not objectify women in any way at all. We have gotten to a point in our society that every single picture of a women must be objectifying a women in some negative way......blah blah blah.. That is not the case. (((Sarcasm)))Picture of a girl drinking a milk shake, must be sex related and putting women down, picture of girl sitting on a beach, picture of a girl driving a car, picture of a girl on the moon at a new space station.)))
You have a picture of an attractive strong power women who girls dress up as for anime conventions. What more do you want? The picture is fine, happy to see a reprint. Sick of of seeing people claim that everything in existence must be putting women down. Then all I have to do is replace the word "women" with anything else to get the same mentality; fish, cats, arabs, blacks, jews, men, environment, whites, chinese, old people, etc. It doesn't matter what word I put in. Stop sucking life out of everything man. That artwork of her is awesome. Stop putting stuff down man. Just stop. If the picture was really as negative as you claim she would totally nude, in a kitchen, making sandwiches and giving blow jobs. Her abilities would be horrible as well. +1 do nothing -2 do nothing -6 do nothing. Instead liliana of the veil is an amazing planeswalker comparable to jace, the mind sculpter with great art to appreciate.
My suggestion listen to some comedy radio for a while, pandora is free, youtube is free there is something out there for you. ***** go make fun of somebody. The whole world is so serious and campaigning for some cause, or someones rights, everything is a hate crime, racist, sexist. blah blah blah.
"O no mcdonalds must be slandering a hate crime against skinny people every time they make a big mac." hahaha jeeze You're just someone perpetuating another groups negative perspective that they've made you believe is correct. Look at the picture for a hour and tell me what's wrong with it? I don't see anything.
I have heard vague rumors of a moustache-dispensing vending machine in a distant laundromat, across the street from a tattoo parlor. However, this information is shaky, and time is of the essence.
I like the idea, and I think with an aggressive Geist, its better than Eiganjo Castle, since as you mention the main draw to Eiganjo is protecting from sweepers. One problem with Shinka, the Bloodsoaked Keep however, is that it requires you to have another red source untapped so that we can cast a Bolt or Helix or something. Since activating it essentially uses RR (tapping Shinka and tapping a separate Red source) this means we basically need RRR on board for the first strike to matter in most combat situations. Thats a bit harder to manage than the virtual WW for Eiganjo.
I like the idea, and I think with an aggressive Geist, its better than Eiganjo Castle, since as you mention the main draw to Eiganjo is protecting from sweepers. One problem with Shinka, the Bloodsoaked Keep however, is that it requires you to have another red source untapped so that we can cast a Bolt or Helix or something. Since activating it essentially uses RR (tapping Shinka and tapping a separate Red source) this means we basically need RRR on board for the first strike to matter in most combat situations. Thats a bit harder to manage than the virtual WW for Eiganjo.
The thing is that preventing 2 damage will not matter in combat against 4+/X's such as Siege Rhino, Tasigur, most Goyfs, Batterskull, and Celestial Colonnade. Against all the 4+/5-'s (hint: that's basically everything I already mentioned), First Strike into burn matters more.
I've swapped over to shinka recently and I think it has proven to be stronger for me overall.
There have been far less Pyroclasm type cards in my meta recently so I think that the first strike is stronger a lot of the time. There are also a lot of x/1's and x/2's (goblin guide, snapcaster, clique, eidolon etc.) that you don't need the burn spell to finish off either. Now with the new emphasis on red mana, I have added 2x kiki-jiki into my list to have the combo-kill option with Resto Angel if necessary as well which has been really sweet.
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I like the idea, and I think with an aggressive Geist, its better than Eiganjo Castle, since as you mention the main draw to Eiganjo is protecting from sweepers. One problem with Shinka, the Bloodsoaked Keep however, is that it requires you to have another red source untapped so that we can cast a Bolt or Helix or something. Since activating it essentially uses RR (tapping Shinka and tapping a separate Red source) this means we basically need RRR on board for the first strike to matter in most combat situations. Thats a bit harder to manage than the virtual WW for Eiganjo.
The thing is that preventing 2 damage will not matter in combat against 4+/X's such as Siege Rhino, Tasigur, most Goyfs, Batterskull, and Celestial Colonnade. Against all the 4+/5-'s (hint: that's basically everything I already mentioned), First Strike into burn matters more.
I understand that. I mentioned it in the original. I'm just pointing out Shinka a bit more demanding on he mana, so perhaps Eiganjo is more reliable in a deck that leans a bit heavier on Blue (e.g. heavier counter magic, so we want UUU for Snap+X or running Cryptics). It's not impossible to run RRR with UUU, like the Kiki control decks, but those decks are designed to slow down the game, and there are still some costs associated with that sort of manabase.
Hi everyone. I am just thinking about transforming my WUR Delver deck to more of a midrange deck and I am just wondering, how does this list look? Also, by going for a more midrange build, which matchups get better and which matchups get worse?
@Celestial: Looks pretty good. I'd be looking to make space for 2-3 Electrolyze. I'd probably cut -1 Aven Mindcensor, -1 Pillar of Flame, -1 Restoration Angel. I'd likely want a 25th land, but not real sure what you'd shave for it.
Cool, thanks. Also, I am just wondering, what's this deck's matchup against BGx Rock? There are a lot of people playing that deck at the local meta. And while Burn is cool and all, I'm looking to try out something different. Plus, Burn is hated on so much at the local meta. Now pretty much all the BGx Rock players maindeck Scavenging Ooze, Kitchen Finks, Courser of Kruphix, and Siege Rhino, and have either Timely Reinforcements or Feed the Clan in the sideboard.
The matchup isn't as bad as its sometimes made out to be, but it is certainly a hard one. Discard, Liliana, and hardbody Tarmogoyfs are a good combo against us. Stuff like Keranos, Sigarda, and Thundermaw (if they run Lingering Souls) are quite useful as a top end. As with everything, being prepared for what they bring to the table and playing your lines as such helps.
what do we all think of Swans of bryn argoll its a 4/3 flyer that turns our bolts into ancestral recalland out helixes to sphynxes rev for 3
It also turns THEIR Bolts into Ancestral Recall and THEIR other burn spells to similar mondo value. Oof, getting that guy hit with Kolaghan's Command would be nasty...
what do we all think of Swans of bryn argoll its a 4/3 flyer that turns our bolts into ancestral recalland out helixes to sphynxes rev for 3
It seems worse than Restoration Angel and Lightning Angel since it also makes all of your opponent's red damage spells and flying blockers card-draw spells.
usually I board in: 2 counterflux, 1 negate, 2 sower, 1 wear, 2 valorous stance but I still feel unprepared/to weak.
What are your experiences?
Be agressive with burns and threats. Try to keep them off of tron mana, it really gets ugly from there. Stony Silence can help stall their eggs, which is nice. Overall it's really tough matchup, giving it 80-20 in their favor preboard, 70-30 postboard also in their favor.
I board in negate, fluxes ans stony silences generally.
List looks good. I'd probably prefer the 2nd Electrolyze over the 4th Remand, but getting kinda nit picky at that point.
Concerning the SB. I don't like Godhead, as they have enough spot removal that it isn't an issue. Dodecapod seems a bit cute. Good against Liliana, I guess (doesn't help if they have 2-drop down already). I think siding in a couple Spell Pierce is more effective against her and more versatile.
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However, I think the deck have more need for the red mana from Shinka than the white mana from Eiganjo Castle.
UWRUWR Delver/Lynx TempoUWR-------UWRUWR Midrange GeistUWR-------UWRUWR Nahiri ControlUWR-------UWRUWR SaheeliUWR
BGRJund / Jund ShadowBGR-------BGWAbzan / Abzan ShadowBGW
Commander (Leviathan/MTGO): UWGeist of Saint TraftUW
The utility for both abilities are rather situational; you can make a case for either one depending on multiple situations. The First Strike is best paired with burn, and it gives a higher return when it works. But the damage prevention is useful in other situations much like the one your described. And this includes things like preventing Pyroclasm from killing Geist -- not that anyone would play a Clasm knowing full well that Castle is there.
I really do think Shinka is the better of the two, given what we need (IMO I like the red mana more). And I think the return of being able to turn a Bolt into a Rhino/Tasigur/Goyf killer is better than what Castle offers. Even though they are very close to each other in terms of utility.
Modern: R Skred -- WBG Melira Co -- URW Nahiri Control
Legacy: R Mono Red Burn -- UWB Stoneblade
Commander: R Krenko, Mob Boss -- WUBRG Scion of the Ur-Dragon -- WUBRG Maze’s End
Other: R No Rares Red (Standard) -- URC Izzet Tron (Pauper)
The thing is that preventing 2 damage will not matter in combat against 4+/X's such as Siege Rhino, Tasigur, most Goyfs, Batterskull, and Celestial Colonnade. Against all the 4+/5-'s (hint: that's basically everything I already mentioned), First Strike into burn matters more.
There have been far less Pyroclasm type cards in my meta recently so I think that the first strike is stronger a lot of the time. There are also a lot of x/1's and x/2's (goblin guide, snapcaster, clique, eidolon etc.) that you don't need the burn spell to finish off either. Now with the new emphasis on red mana, I have added 2x kiki-jiki into my list to have the combo-kill option with Resto Angel if necessary as well which has been really sweet.
Modern : RGTitanshiftGR / UGWKnightfallWGU
I understand that. I mentioned it in the original. I'm just pointing out Shinka a bit more demanding on he mana, so perhaps Eiganjo is more reliable in a deck that leans a bit heavier on Blue (e.g. heavier counter magic, so we want UUU for Snap+X or running Cryptics). It's not impossible to run RRR with UUU, like the Kiki control decks, but those decks are designed to slow down the game, and there are still some costs associated with that sort of manabase.
Modern: R Skred -- WBG Melira Co -- URW Nahiri Control
Legacy: R Mono Red Burn -- UWB Stoneblade
Commander: R Krenko, Mob Boss -- WUBRG Scion of the Ur-Dragon -- WUBRG Maze’s End
Other: R No Rares Red (Standard) -- URC Izzet Tron (Pauper)
4 Snapcaster Mage
4 Geist of Saint Traft
2 Aven Mindcensor
2 Vendilion Clique
3 Restoration Angel
Other Spells: 21
4 Lightning Bolt
4 Lightning Helix
4 Path to Exile
4 Remand
1 Pillar of Flame
1 Forked Bolt
2 Spell Snare
1 Elspeth, Knight-Errant
4 Flooded Strand
3 Scalding Tarn
3 Arid Mesa
3 Celestial Colonnade
2 Steam Vents
2 Hallowed Fountain
2 Ghost Quarter
1 Sacred Foundry
2 Island
1 Plains
1 Mountain
3 Kor Firewalker
2 Engineered Explosives
2 Wear // Tear
2 Molten Rain
2 Stony Silence
1 Keranos, God of Storms
1 Negate
1 Izzet Staticaster
1 Dispel
Modern: R Skred -- WBG Melira Co -- URW Nahiri Control
Legacy: R Mono Red Burn -- UWB Stoneblade
Commander: R Krenko, Mob Boss -- WUBRG Scion of the Ur-Dragon -- WUBRG Maze’s End
Other: R No Rares Red (Standard) -- URC Izzet Tron (Pauper)
Modern: R Skred -- WBG Melira Co -- URW Nahiri Control
Legacy: R Mono Red Burn -- UWB Stoneblade
Commander: R Krenko, Mob Boss -- WUBRG Scion of the Ur-Dragon -- WUBRG Maze’s End
Other: R No Rares Red (Standard) -- URC Izzet Tron (Pauper)
It also turns THEIR Bolts into Ancestral Recall and THEIR other burn spells to similar mondo value. Oof, getting that guy hit with Kolaghan's Command would be nasty...
...let's just be thankful that Roast doesn't hit it and start fretting about that guy who wants to hit it with Flame Slash, Searing Blaze, Grim Lavamancer, Galvanic Blast, Keranos, God of Storms, or Valakut, the Molten Pinnacle triggers.
Needing to tap 4 mana at sorcery speed for Swans is also fairly ugly.
I therefore think that Swans is too big a liability against red decks.
It seems worse than Restoration Angel and Lightning Angel since it also makes all of your opponent's red damage spells and flying blockers card-draw spells.
Storm Crow is strictly worse than Seacoast Drake.
Be agressive with burns and threats. Try to keep them off of tron mana, it really gets ugly from there. Stony Silence can help stall their eggs, which is nice. Overall it's really tough matchup, giving it 80-20 in their favor preboard, 70-30 postboard also in their favor.
I board in negate, fluxes ans stony silences generally.
Stony Silence and Sowing Salt / Molten Rain
UWRUWR Delver/Lynx TempoUWR-------UWRUWR Midrange GeistUWR-------UWRUWR Nahiri ControlUWR-------UWRUWR SaheeliUWR
BGRJund / Jund ShadowBGR-------BGWAbzan / Abzan ShadowBGW
Commander (Leviathan/MTGO): UWGeist of Saint TraftUW
4 Snapcaster Mage
4 Geist of Saint Traft
1 Aven Mindcensor
2 Vendilion Clique
3 Restoration Angel
Other Spells: 21
4 Lightning Bolt
4 Lightning Helix
4 Path to Exile
4 Remand
2 Spell Snare
1 Electrolyze
1 Forked Bolt
1 Elspeth, Knight-Errant
4 Flooded Strand
3 Scalding Tarn
3 Arid Mesa
4 Celestial Colonnade
2 Steam Vents
2 Hallowed Fountain
1 Sacred Foundry
2 Ghost Quarter
2 Island
1 Plains
1 Mountain
3 Kor Firewalker
2 Molten Rain
2 Engineered Explosives
2 Wear // Tear
1 Izzet Staticaster
1 Keranos, God of Storms
1 Negate
1 Dispel
2 Stony Silence
4 Flooded Strand
4 Scalding Tarn
2 Hallowed Fountain
2 Steam Vents
1 Sacred Foundry
2 Island
2 Plains
1 Mountain
2 Ghost Quarter
4 Celestial Colonade
1 Sulfer Falls
Creatures
4 Snapcaster Mage
3 Restoration Angel
2 Vendilion Clique
3 Geist of Saint Traft
1 Stormbreath Dragon
4 Lightning Bolt
4 Lightning Helix
4 Path to Exile
4 Remand
2 Spell Snare
2 Cryptic Command
2 Electrolyze
1 Sphinx's Revelation
2 Engineered Explosives
1 Flashfreeze
1 Counterflux
2 Kor Firewalker
2 Supreme Verdict
1 Shatterstorm
2 Wear // Tear
1 Dispel
1 Negate
1 Grim lavamancer
1 Stormbreath Dragon
List looks good. I'd probably prefer the 2nd Electrolyze over the 4th Remand, but getting kinda nit picky at that point.
Concerning the SB. I don't like Godhead, as they have enough spot removal that it isn't an issue. Dodecapod seems a bit cute. Good against Liliana, I guess (doesn't help if they have 2-drop down already). I think siding in a couple Spell Pierce is more effective against her and more versatile.
Modern: R Skred -- WBG Melira Co -- URW Nahiri Control
Legacy: R Mono Red Burn -- UWB Stoneblade
Commander: R Krenko, Mob Boss -- WUBRG Scion of the Ur-Dragon -- WUBRG Maze’s End
Other: R No Rares Red (Standard) -- URC Izzet Tron (Pauper)
3 Geist? For shame! Otherwise looks good. The 2nd Stormbreath is probably overkill. I'd rather have Thundermaw in that spot.
Modern: R Skred -- WBG Melira Co -- URW Nahiri Control
Legacy: R Mono Red Burn -- UWB Stoneblade
Commander: R Krenko, Mob Boss -- WUBRG Scion of the Ur-Dragon -- WUBRG Maze’s End
Other: R No Rares Red (Standard) -- URC Izzet Tron (Pauper)