I register in the forum because I have been playing the deck for a few months and I must say that at the moment the best version is with W
But now with the new Electrodominance card I feel that we must focus the deck with R (and maybe a third color) and play at least x3 Electrodominance to cast LE or AV since with only As Foretold it is often insufficient in the games that we can not find it.
Electrodominance is dirty, I had the turn 2 win once - couldn't pull it off because I had a basic Island, but I did pull it turn 3 several times.. instant speed. It's probably ban-worthy.
Does anyone else have any experiences? I'm going to try a Grixis version today probably
Electrodominance is dirty, I had the turn 2 win once - couldn't pull it off because I had a basic Island, but I did pull it turn 3 several times.. instant speed. It's probably ban-worthy.
Does anyone else have any experiences? I'm going to try a Grixis version today probably
What do these lists look like? I'd imagine some number of Faithless Looting, but otherwise, I can't see those decks being that consistent.
Definitely untuned and some stuff was bad like the manabase, but still very strong... it can go around graveyard hate by going standard EOT Deceiver into Kiki Jiki or the standard Curator of Mysteries beatdown plan , you can also use Electrodominance to EOT a lot of things, it's busted.
I've been testing a lot of things, as the main weakness is not drawing Living End, I saw people playing Mausoleum Secrets and I liked the idea a lot. I think Grixis or 4 color is better, and also proactive discard and removal is better than reactive. Cryptic Command sucked.
Went 3-2 again today, lost vs Tron and Elves, beat Death and Taxes, MartyrProc (again) and Knightfall. Want to make it a 4-1 or 5-0 list, it feels very untuned still.
Do we need a two threads, one for control decks with a Living End finish and another for the more all-in versions with Kiki combos?
Personally I suspect we can probably house both variants as a stronger build will likely emerge. As long as it's 'U/x Living End + As Foretold' I think it can be explored here.
Nassif 5-0ed a league with UR Living End, and there was a brazilian or portuguese streamer who was around 22-6 or something like that with it as well.
Also Shaun McLaren was playing a UR Restore Balance version and got a 4-1, then he tried a RestoreBalance/Living end UR thing and went 2/3 a couple of times.
The card enables several options, and I'm pretty confident it will be a must, so I'd expect UR, Jeskai or Grixis to be the most likely better versions now. I don't like losing as much of the control version as what I saw most people brew with, so I'll start my own experimenting soon!
I have been playing a variant of this deck to extreme success on cockatrice. I don't normally post on these forums, but I wanted to put the deck out there for some other people to experiment with. I unfortunately am not in a place in life where I get to play many live events and would like to see more testing on this particular version of the build. I have about an 80% win rate on cockatrice over 40ish games at the moment and it seems capable of winning any matchup, with almost nothing feeling like an 'unfavorable' pairing.
I feel everything in here is pretty locked in except for growth spiral, which I have been testing to middling results. It seems extremely rare that it will enable a t3 cryptic or an as foretold with swan song support.
// 60 Maindeck
// 14 Creature
4 Street Wraith
4 Curator of Mysteries
4 Striped Riverwinder
2 Eternal Witness
// 11 Instant
SB: 3 Surgical Extraction
SB: 1 Dispel
SB: 1 Spell Snare
SB: 2 Nature's Claim
SB: 2 Gnaw to the Bone
SB: 2 Repeal
// 3 Sorcery
SB: 3 Unmoored Ego
This is essentially a mash-up of the old Eternal Command witness + cryptic combo and the current iterations of the blue living end deck. I have found that this particular build can often out counter war a U/W deck due to its soft lock capabilities with eternal witness as well as the power of remands and swan song in the deck.
Remand is a powerhouse for getting to your as foretold combo. Swan song also, after playing the deck, usually has no downside. This version of the deck has 30 main deck cantrip/tutor cards and it is rare that I do not find an as foretold by the time i need it.
In terms of general gameplay, this deck feels like it steadily progresses through the living end combo into one of the most consistent counterspell based packages I have played with.
I hope some people will give this specific list a try and comment on it. I wish I could take it to some live events... maybe one day...
Instead of using Vryn's Prodigy and AV, i took a faithless + Hollow One route. There are a couple ways to land a super early hollow one, but it's not as consistent since i took out spirit guides and replaced them with cryptic commands. The extra control has really helped out during mid-game. Esapecially when you start the game with gemstone caverns in your hand. That helps lead to turn 2 as foretold. SSG helped push out turn 1 As Foretold, which made it really easy to win by turn 4 or 5. I've been thinking of adding them back into the list, but i'm not too sure of what to cut.
Still testing this deck, but my first thoughts after a couple leagues -- UR Living End is very much for real.
Do you have a decklist? I'm still not sure whether to go UR or Grixis, whether to play Wheel of Fortune or not, best ways to deal with graveyard hate (especially enchantments), how many Tolaria West if any, etc...
That said, it's a real deck for sure. I've heard Nassif is playing UR as well. I've seen a lot of bad lists (including mine!)
Is Restore Balance worth testing in a deck like this?
It seems like it could speed up a lethal living end while also stalling until you can find what you need.
Top 4 in the Modern Challenge today from Nassif with UR Living End!
He only lost to UW Control because of a disconnection taking 15 minutes of the clock (was up a game, couldn't finish g2) and then on the semis 1-1 and timeout to Amulet Titan, which he had beaten twice before (he is a relatively slow player and the deck is fairly new, not a great combo with a laggy MTGO)
Anyway, the deck certainly has legs even in these first iterations!
I really like this deck. The fact that it packs a proactive gameplan of goldfishing t4-6, solid backplan of grinding with visions and fatties and disruption in the form of remand, cryptic and chalice I think makes for a strong package.
In fact I have never seen chalice in a blue controlling deck since they usually play cantrips and 1 mana removal, and seems really strong. Nassif himself said he will probably try Simian Spirit Guide for explosiveness, so an increase to the number of chalices to increase the number of powerful openings like t1 chalice or t2 As foretold seems like very potent skeleton. Also ssg can lead to more t4 kills and forcing the opponent to never tap out since we could threaten electrodominance from just one red mana. So 2-3 seems like a very reasonable inclusion along with 2-3 chalice.
I am thinking maybe something like this. From what I have seen in the monoblue versions the agreed upon cycler density is something like 14-15 cyclers so I tried to keep that number but Architect of Will seems poor, especially in multiples. Maybe Carabid is better.
Does anyone have a post-Electrodominance Grixis list? I've been trying to work one out myself but to little success. Not sure if it's the right direction in the slightest but playing both dominance and as foretold looks like it can result in a pretty consistent combo if you throw in mausoleum secrets as extra living end copies...
Does anyone have a post-Electrodominance Grixis list? I've been trying to work one out myself but to little success. Not sure if it's the right direction in the slightest but playing both dominance and as foretold looks like it can result in a pretty consistent combo if you throw in mausoleum secrets as extra living end copies...
I've messed around with a list or two, but I kept feeling like it wasn't as consistent as UR with cyclers. Also i'm not sure if it's nececairy anymore, the big draw that i could tell of playing the Grixis list is that you could drop As Foretold, cast living end and then go infinite with kiki/exarch and win on the spot. One of the disadvantages of the Mono U list was that you were quite vulnerable to Supreme Verdict or Terminus on you oponents turn after you have cast living end. Kiki/exarch got around that. However, now that we have Electrodominance we can wait until our opponents end of turn, cast electro into living end (with counter backup if needed) and then swing for lethal on our turn without ever giving our opponent another main phase.
That said, I love the spice of it and I also would be very keen to see any current lists anyone is working on.
After seeing the most recent 5-0 list, this is my adaptation I'm intending to take to my next tournament:
I like the streamlined sideboard but why the lootings? Arent like two more cyclers in their place better?
Looting gives you better earlier draws letting you dump multiple cyclers into a more powerful turn 2/3. It also gets to be flashbacked later when you start getting flooded and need to dig for something specific.
I like the streamlined sideboard but why the lootings? Arent like two more cyclers in their place better?
Looting gives you better earlier draws letting you dump multiple cyclers into a more powerful turn 2/3. It also gets to be flashbacked later when you start getting flooded and need to dig for something specific.
While looting is a powerful card it seems a bit out of place here.
1)Flooding out shouldn't be that big of a problem in a 19-20 land controlish deck with 2-3 Tolaria Wests.
2)Nassif mentioned wanting more cyclers to fight grave hate in games 2-3.
3)Nonbo with Chalice, though that list does not play with it.
4)While in a best case scenario it can be used to reanimate 2 fatties turn 2 by having Looting+2cyclers+Electrodominace+Living End in top 10 cards of you library, it seems a bit poor to me, since if that was an additional cycler you could have 3 fatties on turn 3 without card disadvantage
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I register in the forum because I have been playing the deck for a few months and I must say that at the moment the best version is with W
But now with the new Electrodominance card I feel that we must focus the deck with R (and maybe a third color) and play at least x3 Electrodominance to cast LE or AV since with only As Foretold it is often insufficient in the games that we can not find it.
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Is it the same list you used the previous time?
https://www.channelfireball.com/articles/is-electrodominance-strong-enough-for-modern/?_ga=2.172365155.1778209492.1547014956-115143462.1486662930
And
http://www.starcitygames.com/articles/38174_Electrodominating-Modern.html
He had Quicksilver Amulet from his sideboard to sidestep graveyard hate !!!
My own creation was adding the Kiki Jiki, Mirror Breaker- Deceiver Exarch combo, which has the advantage of being resilient to graveyard hate and castable from hand. I've also toyed with a version with 2 combos (Mikaeus, the Unhallowed/Triskelion), and the LD build with Ashen Rider and Woodfall Primus.
Electrodominance is dirty, I had the turn 2 win once - couldn't pull it off because I had a basic Island, but I did pull it turn 3 several times.. instant speed. It's probably ban-worthy.
Does anyone else have any experiences? I'm going to try a Grixis version today probably
What do these lists look like? I'd imagine some number of Faithless Looting, but otherwise, I can't see those decks being that consistent.
2 Ancestral Vision
2 Curator of Mysteries
2 Street Wraith
4 Faithless Looting
1 Thirst for Knowledge
Countermagic:
2 Remand
1 Swan Song
1 Izzet Charm
1 Mana Leak
1 Cryptic Command
Living End enablers:
3 As Foretold
4 Living End
4 Electrodominance
2 Faerie Macabre
Reanimation Targets/Combo:
4 Deceiver Exarch
4 Kiki-Jiki, Mirror Breaker
1 Emrakul, the Promised End
Land
1 Cascade Bluffs
6 Island
4 Mountain
1 Steam Vents
4 Spirebluff Canal
4 Sulfur Falls
1 Shivan Reef
1 Overwhelming Denial
2 Faerie Macabre
1 Iona, Shield of Emeria
1 Elesh Norn, Grand Cenobite
1 Counterflux
1 Dispel
1 Abrade
1 Curator of Mysteries
2 Madcap Experiment
1 Platinum Emperion
1 Sinister Sabotage
1 By Force
Definitely untuned and some stuff was bad like the manabase, but still very strong... it can go around graveyard hate by going standard EOT Deceiver into Kiki Jiki or the standard Curator of Mysteries beatdown plan , you can also use Electrodominance to EOT a lot of things, it's busted.
I've been testing a lot of things, as the main weakness is not drawing Living End, I saw people playing Mausoleum Secrets and I liked the idea a lot. I think Grixis or 4 color is better, and also proactive discard and removal is better than reactive. Cryptic Command sucked.
Went 3-2 again today, lost vs Tron and Elves, beat Death and Taxes, MartyrProc (again) and Knightfall. Want to make it a 4-1 or 5-0 list, it feels very untuned still.
4 As Foretold
4 Living End
4 Wheel of Fate
4 Cathartic Reunion
4 Faithless Looting
3 Kiki-Jiki, Mirror Breaker
4 Simian Spirit Guide
3 It That Betrays
4 Pathrazer of Ulamog
3 Zealous Conscripts
4 Steam Vents
4 Spirebluff Canal
4 Scalding Tarn
5 Mountain
2 Abrade
2 Echoing Truth
4 Lightning Axe
2 Pithing Needle
3 Spell Pierce
2 Spell Snare
Do we need a two threads, one for control decks with a Living End finish and another for the more all-in versions with Kiki combos?
Personally I suspect we can probably house both variants as a stronger build will likely emerge. As long as it's 'U/x Living End + As Foretold' I think it can be explored here.
Also Shaun McLaren was playing a UR Restore Balance version and got a 4-1, then he tried a RestoreBalance/Living end UR thing and went 2/3 a couple of times.
The card enables several options, and I'm pretty confident it will be a must, so I'd expect UR, Jeskai or Grixis to be the most likely better versions now. I don't like losing as much of the control version as what I saw most people brew with, so I'll start my own experimenting soon!
UR Electro End - by TSPJendrek
Competitive Modern League 2019-01-22, (5-0)
Format: Modern
Jan 22, 2019
https://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/1597851#paper
I feel everything in here is pretty locked in except for growth spiral, which I have been testing to middling results. It seems extremely rare that it will enable a t3 cryptic or an as foretold with swan song support.
// 60 Maindeck
// 14 Creature
4 Street Wraith
4 Curator of Mysteries
4 Striped Riverwinder
2 Eternal Witness
// 4 Enchantment
4 As Foretold
// 13 Instant
4 Remand
4 Cryptic Command
2 Swan Song
3 Growth Spiral
// 21 Land
4 Island
3 Tolaria West
1 Bojuka Bog
1 Field of Ruin
2 Forest
4 Misty Rainforest
3 Breeding Pool
2 Botanical Sanctum
1 Watery Grave
// 8 Sorcery
4 Ancestral Vision
4 Living End
// 15 Sideboard
// 1 Artifact
SB: 1 Engineered Explosives
// 11 Instant
SB: 3 Surgical Extraction
SB: 1 Dispel
SB: 1 Spell Snare
SB: 2 Nature's Claim
SB: 2 Gnaw to the Bone
SB: 2 Repeal
// 3 Sorcery
SB: 3 Unmoored Ego
This is essentially a mash-up of the old Eternal Command witness + cryptic combo and the current iterations of the blue living end deck. I have found that this particular build can often out counter war a U/W deck due to its soft lock capabilities with eternal witness as well as the power of remands and swan song in the deck.
Remand is a powerhouse for getting to your as foretold combo. Swan song also, after playing the deck, usually has no downside. This version of the deck has 30 main deck cantrip/tutor cards and it is rare that I do not find an as foretold by the time i need it.
In terms of general gameplay, this deck feels like it steadily progresses through the living end combo into one of the most consistent counterspell based packages I have played with.
I hope some people will give this specific list a try and comment on it. I wish I could take it to some live events... maybe one day...
That pile reminds me of the list i've been working on since Electrodominance was spoiled :
4 Curator of Mysteries
4 Hollow One
4 Street Wraith
4 Desert Cerodon
Other spells(22):
4 Living End
4 Faithless Looting
4 Remand
3 As Foretold
4 Electrodominance
3 Cryptic Command
2 Tolaria West
3 Gemstone Caverns
2 Cascade Bluffs
2 Sulfur Falls
4 Scalding Tarn
3 Steam Vents
3 Mountain
3 Island
Instead of using Vryn's Prodigy and AV, i took a faithless + Hollow One route. There are a couple ways to land a super early hollow one, but it's not as consistent since i took out spirit guides and replaced them with cryptic commands. The extra control has really helped out during mid-game. Esapecially when you start the game with gemstone caverns in your hand. That helps lead to turn 2 as foretold. SSG helped push out turn 1 As Foretold, which made it really easy to win by turn 4 or 5. I've been thinking of adding them back into the list, but i'm not too sure of what to cut.
Do you have a decklist? I'm still not sure whether to go UR or Grixis, whether to play Wheel of Fortune or not, best ways to deal with graveyard hate (especially enchantments), how many Tolaria West if any, etc...
That said, it's a real deck for sure. I've heard Nassif is playing UR as well. I've seen a lot of bad lists (including mine!)
1 Architects of Will
4 Curator of Mysteries
1 Deadshot Minotaur
4 Desert Cerodon
2 Jace, Vryn's Prodigy
4 Striped Riverwinder
4 Ancestral Vision
3 Living End
1 Abrade
3 Cryptic Command
4 Electrodominance
2 Lightning Bolt
4 Remand
3 As Foretold
2 Cascade Bluffs
2 Island
2 Mountain
1 Polluted Delta
4 Scalding Tarn
4 Spirebluff Canal
2 Steam Vents
2 Tolaria West
60 Cards
2 Ceremonious Rejection
1 Dispel
3 Dragon's Claw
3 Fulminator Mage
1 Jace, the Mind Sculptor
2 Negate
2 Surgical Extraction
Source: https://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/mtgo-standings/competitive-modern-constructed-league-2019-01-25
It seems like it could speed up a lethal living end while also stalling until you can find what you need.
He only lost to UW Control because of a disconnection taking 15 minutes of the clock (was up a game, couldn't finish g2) and then on the semis 1-1 and timeout to Amulet Titan, which he had beaten twice before (he is a relatively slow player and the deck is fairly new, not a great combo with a laggy MTGO)
Anyway, the deck certainly has legs even in these first iterations!
2 Architects of Will
4 Curator of Mysteries
4 Desert Cerodon
4 Striped Riverwinder
1 Nimble Obstructionist
1 Faerie Macabre
Spells
4 Ancestral Vision
4 Living End
3 Cryptic Command
4 Electrodominance
1 Izzet Charm
2 Remand
4 As Foretold
1 Chalice of the Void
1 Tormod's Crypt
Lands
2 Cascade Bluffs
2 Mountain
4 Island
4 Scalding Tarn
4 Spirebluff Canal
2 Steam Vents
2 Tolaria West
3 Bottle Gnomes
2 Fulminator Mage
1 Echoing Truth
2 Negate
2 Ingot Chewer
1 Chalice of the Void
1 Drake Haven
2 Magma Spray
1 Jace, the Mind Sculptor
He played against:
Infect
Dredge
U/W Control 3 times
Amulet Titan 3 times
VOD Link here:
https://www.twitch.tv/videos/370162881
In fact I have never seen chalice in a blue controlling deck since they usually play cantrips and 1 mana removal, and seems really strong. Nassif himself said he will probably try Simian Spirit Guide for explosiveness, so an increase to the number of chalices to increase the number of powerful openings like t1 chalice or t2 As foretold seems like very potent skeleton. Also ssg can lead to more t4 kills and forcing the opponent to never tap out since we could threaten electrodominance from just one red mana. So 2-3 seems like a very reasonable inclusion along with 2-3 chalice.
2 Architects of Will
4 Curator of Mysteries
4 Desert Cerodon
4 Striped Riverwinder
2 Simian Spirit Guide
Spells
4 Ancestral Vision
4 Living End
3 Cryptic Command
4 Electrodominance
2 Remand
4 As Foretold
3 Chalice of the Void
1 Tormod's Crypt
Lands
2 Cascade Bluffs
1 Mountain
4 Island
4 Scalding Tarn
4 Spirebluff Canal
2 Steam Vents
2 Tolaria West
Living Dominance by twinlesstwin
Competitive Modern League 2019-01-29, (5-0)
Format: Modern
Jan 29, 2019
https://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/1618013#paper
I've messed around with a list or two, but I kept feeling like it wasn't as consistent as UR with cyclers. Also i'm not sure if it's nececairy anymore, the big draw that i could tell of playing the Grixis list is that you could drop As Foretold, cast living end and then go infinite with kiki/exarch and win on the spot. One of the disadvantages of the Mono U list was that you were quite vulnerable to Supreme Verdict or Terminus on you oponents turn after you have cast living end. Kiki/exarch got around that. However, now that we have Electrodominance we can wait until our opponents end of turn, cast electro into living end (with counter backup if needed) and then swing for lethal on our turn without ever giving our opponent another main phase.
That said, I love the spice of it and I also would be very keen to see any current lists anyone is working on.
After seeing the most recent 5-0 list, this is my adaptation I'm intending to take to my next tournament:
4 Curator of Mysteries
4 Desert Cerodon
4 Striped Riverwinder
1 Nimble Obstructionist
Spells
4 Ancestral Vision
4 Living End
3 Cryptic Command
4 Electrodominance
4 Remand
4 As Foretold
2 Faithless Looting
2 Magma Spray
1 Tormod's Crypt
Lands
1 Cascade Bluffs
2 Mountain
2 Island
4 Scalding Tarn
1 Polluted Delta
4 Spirebluff Canal
3 Steam Vents
2 Tolaria West
4 Dragon's Claw
3 Fulminator Mage
1 Tormod's Crypt
1 Nimble Obstructionist
2 Negate
2 Anger of the Gods
2 Dispel
Looting gives you better earlier draws letting you dump multiple cyclers into a more powerful turn 2/3. It also gets to be flashbacked later when you start getting flooded and need to dig for something specific.
While looting is a powerful card it seems a bit out of place here.
1)Flooding out shouldn't be that big of a problem in a 19-20 land controlish deck with 2-3 Tolaria Wests.
2)Nassif mentioned wanting more cyclers to fight grave hate in games 2-3.
3)Nonbo with Chalice, though that list does not play with it.
4)While in a best case scenario it can be used to reanimate 2 fatties turn 2 by having Looting+2cyclers+Electrodominace+Living End in top 10 cards of you library, it seems a bit poor to me, since if that was an additional cycler you could have 3 fatties on turn 3 without card disadvantage