Is there any "next best thing" to goyfs? I'm tempted to try this deck, but the only thing I don't have is the goyfs.
Do what Legacy Maverick did. Go 4 Knights of the Reliquary and 1 Scryb Ranger. No need for goyfs, and you start tapping and untapping and grow Knights bigger and faster than Goyfs.
Going to be streaming this deck tonight at 8pm EST; not sure how late I can go as my daughter is sick and may not stay sleeping - but if she does, we'll be running through a full league.
The lack of bans or unbans gets me sooo pumped to test this deck! Are any of you able to watch if I stream tonight? Let's say 11:30pm MST (ish)???
Just some hairball thoughts with the limited time I have!
Hating the yard: I agree that OOZE and Surgical can be good. I currently miser a single copy of Bojuka Bog. Hates on deck efficently and can be fetched via KOTR. Even GW could use this as a single RIP turn and return to using it as mana.
Abzhan splashing: Grim Flayer is SIIIIICK! It mays seem hard to get him to 4/4 (which it ocasioanlly can be) but more dudes stacking the deck and imoproving draws is so good. Access to fatal push, abrupt decay, and maelstrom plus are also not to be ignored!
Vizier of the Menagrie: Can not wait to test this!
Stacking up against Chord and Coco: I think both those cards are amazing but wonder if we can play the 3 drop green recruiter dude or have access to something else. Not saying any of its wrong...
Bant: is thtis something we should be testing?
Give me your thoughts! I want to spend more time on this list and will be maximizing my stream efforts to do so. Help me justify against my traditional DNT community by being present (and suggesting cards so I can cart them for MTGO)!
Look forwards to seeing your thoughts, fam!
-Catmix
The lack of bans or unbans gets me sooo pumped to test this deck! Are any of you able to watch if I stream tonight? Let's say 11:30pm MST (ish)???
Just some hairball thoughts with the limited time I have!
Hating the yard: I agree that OOZE and Surgical can be good. I currently miser a single copy of Bojuka Bog. Hates on deck efficently and can be fetched via KOTR. Even GW could use this as a single RIP turn and return to using it as mana.
Abzhan splashing: Grim Flayer is SIIIIICK! It mays seem hard to get him to 4/4 (which it ocasioanlly can be) but more dudes stacking the deck and imoproving draws is so good. Access to fatal push, abrupt decay, and maelstrom plus are also not to be ignored!
Vizier of the Menagrie: Can not wait to test this!
Stacking up against Chord and Coco: I think both those cards are amazing but wonder if we can play the 3 drop green recruiter dude or have access to something else. Not saying any of its wrong...
Bant: is thtis something we should be testing?
Give me your thoughts! I want to spend more time on this list and will be maximizing my stream efforts to do so. Help me justify against my traditional DNT community by being present (and suggesting cards so I can cart them for MTGO)!
Look forwards to seeing your thoughts, fam!
-Catmix
I don't think we want Dark Confidant and Spellskite and rather have some more beaters and 2 Selfless Spirit. If you plan on playing Grim Flayer it is pretty good with Goyfs, but makes you vulnerable to Graveyard Hate because 10 cards (4 Goyfs, 2 Grim Flayer, 4 KOTR) depend in the graveyard to be powerful. Would rather have something else in this spot, maybe some Siege Rhino or something else with lifegain.
Unfortunaltelly Boseiju, Who Shelters All comes into play tapped, but can be good with KOTR fetching it EoT and having uncounterable CoCo up.
Favourite Deck: Elves (Modern & Legacy)
Standard: New Perspectives Combo
Modern: GW Hatebears | Death and Taxes | Eldrazi and Taxes | Abzan Liege | Abzan Company
Commander: The Gitrog Monster (Combo) | Noyan Dar, Roil Shaper (Control) | RIP Leovold Sultai (Elvestorm, no unfair locks) | Mono G (Yisan or Titania)
Tiny Leaders: Too many decks to keep track of
Pauper: RIP UR Drake | Mono B | GBx Goodstuff | Jund "Melira"
Won 2-0 vs RG Tron
Won 2-1 vs RG Tron
Lost 0-2 to Melira CoCo (G2 I had Courser + 2 Knights + Tracker and had a lot of chances to shuffle searching for Path/Surgical/EE, but found nothing)
Lost 1-2 to BG Midrange (Got 3-4 lands in a row and he could recover from the empty board faster, G3 missed my 3rd land drop for 2 turns and couldn't come back to the game)
Vizier of the Menagerie only came in 1 game and it felt really powerfull. Had him and Courser in play and when my opp saw me casting a Witness from the top, he scooped. I can probably see me playing 2 of him with 2 CoCos.
The cycling land didn't show up and I don't even know if I'll be playing it.
DeathandCatmix, I looked at your Abzan list, and makes me wonder if it's leaning too much into just a Abzan midrange deck. What makes Maverick maverick? What's the competitive advantage it has over the other decks?
As you guys know I'm working on a Eldritch Evolution style. I'll keep you guys updated.
Maverick is a deck that uses search tools to have access to powerful toolbox affects. The engines with Knight of the Reliquary, aggressive tempo with the "hatebears", and usually backs up with minor deck manipulation. Maverick in Legacy began to lose favor with the rise of Death and Taxes. A decent amount of those players shifted into black to fill the whole and reduce the variance with help from Dark Confidant.
My list is a Modern port of the namesake deck, "Dark Maverick".
I definitely will be puttingp and updated list together and want to have a dedicated stream night for Maverick variants. Just need to know when this group would like to make that happen.
Got some bad luck yesterday and went 2-2
Won 2-0 vs Dredge and 2-1 vs Abzan CoCo
Lost 1-2 to Grixis Control, kept a greedy hand with 1 dork, 1 land and a lot of 3 mana payoff cards, he killed my dork and the next one I played. Game went long, I had time to recover and we got grindy, but he managed to win later with Young Pyro and some tokens. If I had my 2nd land on time or my dork didn't die, I would have got ahead early and could have closed the game.
Then lost 1-2 to Esper Control. Game 1 won easily, as he drew all his basics and GQs turned into strip mines. I got him off of white mana to avoid Supreme Veredict and killed with creatures. G2 we had a lot of people watching and talking loud around, the game went really long and I decided to let him take back one of his plays due to not seeing my Grafdigger's Cage on the field and he was a friend of mine(he played Snapcaster). That cost me the game later.
Then G3 he had and insane hand full of counters, got to resolve Veredict, Sphinx's for 6 and I didn't have a chance.
Deck is doing pretty great for me. I'm going to try out 1of Scryb Ranger to get some shenanigans with my lands and Knights. Returning lands is also good with Courser on board to get some life when you don't see lands from the top and to get more clues with Tracker.
The whole point of Maverick is toolboxes. The legacy version used GSZ and KotR for creatures and lands. Maverick was a highly resilient and versatile deck.
I've been streaming on twitch.tv/deathandcatmix and have been doing reasonably well. I think my list is getting pretty close to ideal. Check out the two most recent videos!
I ran a late night stream and went 4-1 in a Competitive League. I barely missed the 5-0 due to poor draw and sequencing against Mono-White Drazi & Taxes. Even with that, I am still very high on the deck. Take a look at the stream for more details!
Do you have a list for your current deck, Catmix? Fauna Shaman is something I was thinking of too. Late birds sucks. Late birds being anything you want does not. Potentially fixes bad Co Co hits too.
So after some playtesting, the second Azusa is a must. It can make some games back breaking for opponents or allows you to be really explosive. Fauna Shaman is also a never bad top deck. It's really allowed me to fix bad draws and coco hits and finish up games.
I've also been playing 1 of Dromoka's Command. Still needs more testing, but seems fine.
A blue splash also seems strong, using Unified Will or Stubborn Denial and Reflector Mage out of the board for combo and control matches, Tron, etc. Needs more testing, but seems really good. Been looking at potentially red instead of blue. Huntmaster out of the board seems powerful.
Otherside board options I've been looking at include Obstinate Baloth or Smiter for their appropriate match ups.
The ability to find what you need is really nice. If you have a 75 link, post it. Gonna put mine up. I think this deck has potential for sure but there are SO many options it's hard to find the real must haves, there are almost none in this deck.
PS: 7 mana dorks too many or does Fauna Shaman change that?
I've wondered about a couple cards and if we play too many: birds and coursers being two of them. What would you replace them with? Why is it too many?
Hi all, I have lately tested Stevens deck through xmage and noticed that it's amazing. I run list with basic idea of 7 manadorks, 2 oozes,4 voices, 4 knights, 2 tracker, 2 exces, 2 azusas, 3 coursers and 4 companies. Somehow I can promise that with two tracker u can find from your deck what ever you want. This deck is pure value and madness, as Todd Stevens ssid it is very fun to play.
For as example, today I played several games where my tracker was 16/16, knights were 12/12, ooze token were also 12/12 and my opponent didnt have any lands.
Do you prefer that there finks in the main? For now I thought that coursers have gain me enough life.
Finks is there to value-chump in matches like Death's Shadow and on grindy games, where they need to spend 2 removals/blockers to take him out, and even then you can reset it with Gavony Township.
I won a game against Grixis Control last week where I had a Finks on the board and kept attacking and using Gavony to reset his counters when opp killed it. I didn't have to extend that much into the board because the Finks was constantly straining his cards and threatening his life points.
Also, I don't think I like the Fauna Shaman idea. It's a card that enters on turn 2 and does nothing. It dies to removal and you've gained 0 value. All the cards in this deck do something before dying (or they completely change the game in your favor, in the case of Knight).
Dorks accelerate your mana.
Voices threaten opp to play on sorcery speed or give you tokens and when it dies, you get a token.
Ooze is a concession to grave decks and one of our worst cards individually, but something that we kinda need. Even then, if unchecked it can win games alone.
Courser gives you free lands from the top and the ability to control your draw steps.
Excavator gets lands from the yard, letting you draw cards again with Canopy, buy back GQs and stuff.
Tracker give you clues.
Azusa lets you play more lands.
Finks heals 2 life and comes back after dying, being a 2 for 1 almost every time.
What does Fauna Shaman do in a deck full of value stuff? It is a lot better in decks full of silver bullets and 1 ofs.
Lategame it can turn Birds into better creatures? Sure. But what is the point in that if you're playing it in the slot of a better creature?
If all is good we should have tons of card draws by tracker in the end game, so in my mind I would change fauna shaman to extra tracker.
So far I think that I dont see that shaman is necessery.
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I would go 4 Voices, 4 Scoozes and, if you still have some slots left, fill in with Tireless Trackers.
Don't know how it would do, tho.
WGUBR 5c Humans
GWR Naya Zoo
Legacy:
GW GW Maverick
R Goblins
Do what Legacy Maverick did. Go 4 Knights of the Reliquary and 1 Scryb Ranger. No need for goyfs, and you start tapping and untapping and grow Knights bigger and faster than Goyfs.
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https://www.twitch.tv/ccg_brothers
The lack of bans or unbans gets me sooo pumped to test this deck! Are any of you able to watch if I stream tonight? Let's say 11:30pm MST (ish)???
Just some hairball thoughts with the limited time I have!
-Catmix
WWModern Death And Taxes (w/ Militia Bugler) (JUL '19)
GWModern Maverick (JUL '19)
WBCatmix on Twitch!
WWCatmix on Youtube
I don't think we want Dark Confidant and Spellskite and rather have some more beaters and 2 Selfless Spirit. If you plan on playing Grim Flayer it is pretty good with Goyfs, but makes you vulnerable to Graveyard Hate because 10 cards (4 Goyfs, 2 Grim Flayer, 4 KOTR) depend in the graveyard to be powerful. Would rather have something else in this spot, maybe some Siege Rhino or something else with lifegain.
Unfortunaltelly Boseiju, Who Shelters All comes into play tapped, but can be good with KOTR fetching it EoT and having uncounterable CoCo up.
Favourite Deck: Elves (Modern & Legacy)
Standard: New Perspectives Combo
Modern: GW Hatebears | Death and Taxes | Eldrazi and Taxes | Abzan Liege | Abzan Company
Commander: The Gitrog Monster (Combo) | Noyan Dar, Roil Shaper (Control) | RIP Leovold Sultai (Elvestorm, no unfair locks) | Mono G (Yisan or Titania)
Tiny Leaders: Too many decks to keep track of
Pauper: RIP UR Drake | Mono B | GBx Goodstuff | Jund "Melira"
4 Misty Rainforest
3 Temple Garden
1 Horizon Canopy
4 Ghost Quarter
1 Scattered Groves
5 Forest
2 Plains
1 Birds of Paradise
4 Tarmogoyf
3 Voice of Resurgence
3 Scavenging Ooze
4 Courser of Kruphix
4 Knight of the Reliquary
2 Tireless Tracker
2 Renegade Rallier
1 Eternal Witness
1 Vizier of the Menagerie
1 Declaration in Stone
2 Collected Company
Won 2-0 vs RG Tron
Won 2-1 vs RG Tron
Lost 0-2 to Melira CoCo (G2 I had Courser + 2 Knights + Tracker and had a lot of chances to shuffle searching for Path/Surgical/EE, but found nothing)
Lost 1-2 to BG Midrange (Got 3-4 lands in a row and he could recover from the empty board faster, G3 missed my 3rd land drop for 2 turns and couldn't come back to the game)
Vizier of the Menagerie only came in 1 game and it felt really powerfull. Had him and Courser in play and when my opp saw me casting a Witness from the top, he scooped. I can probably see me playing 2 of him with 2 CoCos.
The cycling land didn't show up and I don't even know if I'll be playing it.
WGUBR 5c Humans
GWR Naya Zoo
Legacy:
GW GW Maverick
R Goblins
As you guys know I'm working on a Eldritch Evolution style. I'll keep you guys updated.
3 Wooded Foothills
1 Arid Mesa
3 Temple Garden
3 Forest
2 Plains
4 Ghost Quarter
1 Stirring Wildwood
1 Gavony Township
1 Sejiri Steppe
4 Eldritch Evolution
4 Path to Exile
4 Birds of Paradise
2 Avacyn's Pilgrim
4 Wall of Omens
3 Blade Splicer
3 Restoration Angel
3 Renegade Rallier
3 Knight of the Reliquary
1 Baneslayer Angel
1 Linvala, Keeper of Silence
1 Qasali Pridemage
1 Brimaz, King of Oreskos
1 Flickerwisp
1 Fiend Hunter
1 Cataclysmic Gearhulk
1 Eidolon of Rhetoric
1 Gaddock Teeg
1 Reclamation Sage
1 Thragtusk
1 Selfless Spirit
1 Mangara of Corondor
1 Scavanging Ooze
2 Pithing Needle
2 Graftdigger's Cage
2 Beast Within
3 Dismember
I think my sideboard needs work though.
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My list is a Modern port of the namesake deck, "Dark Maverick".
I definitely will be puttingp and updated list together and want to have a dedicated stream night for Maverick variants. Just need to know when this group would like to make that happen.
Get at me here or DM//Tweet me!
-Catmix
WWModern Death And Taxes (w/ Militia Bugler) (JUL '19)
GWModern Maverick (JUL '19)
WBCatmix on Twitch!
WWCatmix on Youtube
4 Misty Rainforest
3 Temple Garden
1 Horizon Canopy
4 Ghost Quarter
5 Forest
2 Plains
2 Birds of Paradise
4 Tarmogoyf
3 Voice of Resurgence
2 Scavenging Ooze
1 Gaddock Teeg
4 Courser of Kruphix
4 Knight of the Reliquary
2 Tireless Tracker
2 Renegade Rallier
1 Eternal Witness
2 Vizier of the Menagerie
1 Dromoka's Command
1 Elspeth, Knight-Errant
WGUBR 5c Humans
GWR Naya Zoo
Legacy:
GW GW Maverick
R Goblins
Got some bad luck yesterday and went 2-2
Won 2-0 vs Dredge and 2-1 vs Abzan CoCo
Lost 1-2 to Grixis Control, kept a greedy hand with 1 dork, 1 land and a lot of 3 mana payoff cards, he killed my dork and the next one I played. Game went long, I had time to recover and we got grindy, but he managed to win later with Young Pyro and some tokens. If I had my 2nd land on time or my dork didn't die, I would have got ahead early and could have closed the game.
Then lost 1-2 to Esper Control. Game 1 won easily, as he drew all his basics and GQs turned into strip mines. I got him off of white mana to avoid Supreme Veredict and killed with creatures. G2 we had a lot of people watching and talking loud around, the game went really long and I decided to let him take back one of his plays due to not seeing my Grafdigger's Cage on the field and he was a friend of mine(he played Snapcaster). That cost me the game later.
Then G3 he had and insane hand full of counters, got to resolve Veredict, Sphinx's for 6 and I didn't have a chance.
Deck is doing pretty great for me. I'm going to try out 1of Scryb Ranger to get some shenanigans with my lands and Knights. Returning lands is also good with Courser on board to get some life when you don't see lands from the top and to get more clues with Tracker.
WGUBR 5c Humans
GWR Naya Zoo
Legacy:
GW GW Maverick
R Goblins
4 Birds of Paradise
2 Avacyn's Pilgrim
4 Knight of the Reliquary
3 Ruin Ghost
4 Fairgrounds Warden
2 Yeva, Nature's Herald
1 Tireless Tracker
1 Qasali Pridemage
1 Scavenging Ooze
1 Gaddock Teeg
1 Eternal Witness
1 Scryb Ranger
1 Grazing Gladehart
1 Arashi, the Sky Asunder
4 Path to Exile
3 Summoner's Pact
Artifact(3)
3 Veilstone Amulet
Lands(23)
4 Windswept Heath
2 Scattered Groves
2 Ghost Quarter
1 Sejiri Steppe
1 Skyline Cascade
1 Bojuka Bog
1 Eiganjo Castle
1 Skarrg, the Rage Pits
1 Cinder Glade
8 Forest
1 Plains
Why Veilstone Amulet?
In essence, it turns dead dork draws(with yeva) AND our own paths/pacts... into removal hate/card advantage.
I haven't tested the deck yet, so I'm sure many tweaks will come, maybe even before it sees play.
I can't help but think adding #Glittering Wish would add a 3rd toolbox!
The Rhonas's Monument looks dope.
So does Champion of Lambholt
There's literally a dozen ways to go rather than spending 200 dollars on a playset of Voices.
I've been streaming on twitch.tv/deathandcatmix and have been doing reasonably well. I think my list is getting pretty close to ideal. Check out the two most recent videos!
WWModern Death And Taxes (w/ Militia Bugler) (JUL '19)
GWModern Maverick (JUL '19)
WBCatmix on Twitch!
WWCatmix on Youtube
Are you linking 4 Viziers?
WGUBR 5c Humans
GWR Naya Zoo
Legacy:
GW GW Maverick
R Goblins
It doesn't have the flashy swing from Coco but is very stable. Huge fan ATM.
WWModern Death And Taxes (w/ Militia Bugler) (JUL '19)
GWModern Maverick (JUL '19)
WBCatmix on Twitch!
WWCatmix on Youtube
No Goyfs, 2 Finks, 2 Ramunap Excavators, 1 Whisperwood maindeck
WGUBR 5c Humans
GWR Naya Zoo
Legacy:
GW GW Maverick
R Goblins
I ran a late night stream and went 4-1 in a Competitive League. I barely missed the 5-0 due to poor draw and sequencing against Mono-White Drazi & Taxes. Even with that, I am still very high on the deck. Take a look at the stream for more details!
Maverick in League.
PS: Fauna Shaman is the real deal. I have also switched from Eternal Witness to Renegade Rallier due to uptick in relevant two drops!
WWModern Death And Taxes (w/ Militia Bugler) (JUL '19)
GWModern Maverick (JUL '19)
WBCatmix on Twitch!
WWCatmix on Youtube
4 Windswept Heath
4 Misty Rainforest
4 Forest
2 Plains
4 Ghost Quarter
3 Temple Garden
1 Horizon Canopy
1 Gavony Township
4 Noble Hierarch
3 Birds of Paradise
1 Qasali Pridemage
2 Scavenging Ooze
3 Voice of Resurgence
4 Knight of the Reliquary
4 Courser of Kruphix
2 Ramunap Excavator
1 Azusa, Lost but Seeking
1 Tireless Tracker
1 Eternal Witness
1 Aven Mindcensor
3 Kitchen Finks
4 Path to Exile
3 Collected Company
WGUBR 5c Humans
GWR Naya Zoo
Legacy:
GW GW Maverick
R Goblins
I've also been playing 1 of Dromoka's Command. Still needs more testing, but seems fine.
A blue splash also seems strong, using Unified Will or Stubborn Denial and Reflector Mage out of the board for combo and control matches, Tron, etc. Needs more testing, but seems really good. Been looking at potentially red instead of blue. Huntmaster out of the board seems powerful.
Otherside board options I've been looking at include Obstinate Baloth or Smiter for their appropriate match ups.
PS: Fauna Shaman has been the nuttiest addition for me.
WWModern Death And Taxes (w/ Militia Bugler) (JUL '19)
GWModern Maverick (JUL '19)
WBCatmix on Twitch!
WWCatmix on Youtube
PS: 7 mana dorks too many or does Fauna Shaman change that?
For as example, today I played several games where my tracker was 16/16, knights were 12/12, ooze token were also 12/12 and my opponent didnt have any lands.
Do you prefer that there finks in the main? For now I thought that coursers have gain me enough life.
I won a game against Grixis Control last week where I had a Finks on the board and kept attacking and using Gavony to reset his counters when opp killed it. I didn't have to extend that much into the board because the Finks was constantly straining his cards and threatening his life points.
Also, I don't think I like the Fauna Shaman idea. It's a card that enters on turn 2 and does nothing. It dies to removal and you've gained 0 value. All the cards in this deck do something before dying (or they completely change the game in your favor, in the case of Knight).
Dorks accelerate your mana.
Voices threaten opp to play on sorcery speed or give you tokens and when it dies, you get a token.
Ooze is a concession to grave decks and one of our worst cards individually, but something that we kinda need. Even then, if unchecked it can win games alone.
Courser gives you free lands from the top and the ability to control your draw steps.
Excavator gets lands from the yard, letting you draw cards again with Canopy, buy back GQs and stuff.
Tracker give you clues.
Azusa lets you play more lands.
Finks heals 2 life and comes back after dying, being a 2 for 1 almost every time.
What does Fauna Shaman do in a deck full of value stuff? It is a lot better in decks full of silver bullets and 1 ofs.
Lategame it can turn Birds into better creatures? Sure. But what is the point in that if you're playing it in the slot of a better creature?
WGUBR 5c Humans
GWR Naya Zoo
Legacy:
GW GW Maverick
R Goblins
So far I think that I dont see that shaman is necessery.