I'll post what I have made so far. I only need to know what could be some changes to make, AND what fetch lands / Shock lands I would need to make it a bit more consistent. So here we go!
I havent been able to play it yet cause I've been working most of the friday night lately, so i dont have a score to put against what I've played so far. But i would really appreciate to have your opinion on this funky deck I've made!
I was wondering what is the intended goal of this deck? I see the heartless summoning alter of the brood and 2x myr retriever combo but what is the purpose of adding in Saheeli?
I was wondering what is the intended goal of this deck? I see the heartless summoning alter of the brood and 2x myr retriever combo but what is the purpose of adding in Saheeli?
Heartless Summoning and Myr Retriever are one of the 2 combo that goes off with either Altar of the Brood OR Reckless Fireweaver. It is a basic combo to break in my opinion, so since I saw the combo of Saheeli Rai and Liquimetal Coating that makes the same kind of infinity loop, i decided to play Grixis by putting theses 2 combo together. The 2 combo goes off with either the Altar or the Fireweaver. Basicly you just have a bit more chance to make a combo in the deck.
I think scrylands are fine in such a build (kinda like in Ad Nauseam and some Grishoalbrand lists). Dragonskull Summit and Choked Estuary have to go away, to be replaced with either fetch/shock or fastlands. I don't like the fact that you need to assemble either of 3 card combos. Pretty much half of your nonlands are dead cards by themselves.
Good idea ! Didnt think about that card maybe 1 or 2 ill try it! How many more ? I dont feel like a playset would be good since it interact only with saheeli, but maybe 1 more?
EDIT: I just took a look at impact tremor, it would work but only with the myr, not saheeli since saheeli isnt a creature but a planewalker
Now that I think about it, you could splash white to use (insert card that I don't remember that says "Whenever another creature enters the battlefield, you may gain 1 Life") and combo it with Aetherflux Reservoir... That could work too, although you would have to go 4 color.
Also, seeing this deck, you would have to make sure to keep a counterspell and open mana open at all times so the combo isn't disrupted.
On lands: Get rid of the reveal-land and the dragonskull, I think that more temples could help this deck, so you can filter what you don't need away.
EDIT: Just realized that if you use Liquimetal Coating on an enemy minion, you could use something like, persay, Smash to Smithereens to destroy an enemy creature with no drawbacks, and bolting their face!
Now that I think about it, you could splash white to use (insert card that I don't remember that says "Whenever another creature enters the battlefield, you may gain 1 Life") and combo it with Aetherflux Reservoir... That could work too, although you would have to go 4 color.
Also, seeing this deck, you would have to make sure to keep a counterspell and open mana open at all times so the combo isn't disrupted.
On lands: Get rid of the reveal-land and the dragonskull, I think that more temples could help this deck, so you can filter what you don't need away.
EDIT: Just realized that if you use Liquimetal Coating on an enemy minion, you could use something like, persay, Smash to Smithereens to destroy an enemy creature with no drawbacks, and bolting their face!
I could splash white, but right now 3 color is kind of hard to know what mana ill need especially if i need all 3 colors.
Concerning the liquimetal coating, i know and you can even destroy lands ! Enchantment planeswalkers ! And there more ! Its another brew im going for later ( jund land destuction with that and 1mana artefact destruction anyways )
The lands i know but i use them cause i van only upgrade it little by little, and i had them ^^
I've really wanted to try and crack a competitive Heartless Summoning deck. This past weekend I also thought of using Saheeli Rai, so since you're already in grixis colors and thinking of adding more liquimetal coatingKolaghan's Command would be really good. Liquimetal Coating a permanent, destroy it and pull a Myr Retriever from your yard to start the combo.
I would look at upping your Trinket Mage count and lower your Altar of the Brood, because it really doesn't feel good to draw a Mage after already playing an Altar, also altar can possibly help decks that use the graveyard as a resource.
Also Taigam's Scheming is an interesting card to filter the top of your deck into better draws while also getting a possible retriever in the yard.
I've really wanted to try and crack a competitive Heartless Summoning deck. This past weekend I also thought of using Saheeli Rai, so since you're already in grixis colors and thinking of adding more liquimetal coatingKolaghan's Command would be really good. Liquimetal Coating a permanent, destroy it and pull a Myr Retriever from your yard to start the combo.
I would look at upping your Trinket Mage count and lower your Altar of the Brood, because it really doesn't feel good to draw a Mage after already playing an Altar, also altar can possibly help decks that use the graveyard as a resource.
Also Taigam's Scheming is an interesting card to filter the top of your deck into better draws while also getting a possible retriever in the yard.
Ive added a second liquimetal coating ( too 1 muddle the mixture out ) and ive been able to get the combo with saheeli out a bit more, ive added 2 kolaghans command in my sideboard and its wonderfull ! I can destroy anything with that ! I also took 1 atlar and 1 reckless fireweaver out for 2 disple of the vault ( giving it a try, and it broke the thopter sword combo !! )
Ill have to see for taigam's scheming, i also tought about telling time,..
Right now at my local ive played vs a dredge wich is only a big race but i went 1-2, ive played alot vs infect and there its just a race of wich is faster depending on opening hands. Ive played vs naya burn and thats an ok game after sideboard. I went vs gift for the first time and i went 1-1-1 broke his thopter sword of meek combo because of my disciple of the vault ! So the game got stalled.. any more ideas would be great...
Ok so I've made ALOT of change since the day I've made this post and I must admit that im pretty proud of them. I've been playing at FNM and with friends with it and it's alot better since. Here is the new decklist, some scores from FNM.
The deck seems weird but it works really well, I have enought piece of each combo to know wich way to go, enought disruption to keep the combo going and enought protection. The sideboard is when I play against aggro, tron, infect and even combo! Im still Learning a bit how to sideboard against some deck but thats magic after all !
Some scores from my FNM games.
VS Infect: I can race it and take away their creatures fast enought before they can kill me.
VS Tron: Crumble, Extirpate or surgical is the key here with a turn 1 Altar...
VS Scape*****: Easy, its a bit like vs tron but you mill their mountain too !
VS Aggro: bit harder but you can discard their creature and kill their board with Radiant Flames...
VS Combo: usually their combo is slower then ours so dont need to sideboard in much stuff unless vs kiki, then hand disruption is great!
VS Gifts: They dont know what to sideboard and what to get with gifts since we do all kind of stuff lol.
VS Dreadge: Now thats a race ! milling is hard vs them but its menagable since they also mill themself ( kind of ) otherwise radiant flames is a key card here...
^^^ that is pretty much the meta at the Local stores im playing..
Any advice would be really appreciated... Thanks you all for taking the time to read and even maybe reply !
For dredge, you could run the black Leyline, it wins against dredge on its own.
Swap Radiant Flames with Anger of the Gods
EDIT:
Also, forgot to ask about how Impact Tremors did, if it did anything at all.
How about Lightning Axe to throw stuff in the 'yard?
We need some enchantment hate; Everything that hoses dredge, hoses us.
I like radiant flames better since anger does the same but is double red.
Havent tried Impact Tremor, i guess i could try, and switch theses reckless fireweaver ?
Its true about leyline but what could i switch it with in the side ?
Dont really need enchantment hate, the liquimetal and kolaghan's command can destroy it. and there isn't that many in all the decks overall.. sure i havent played in pptq and such since im still switching cards and testing it. But i dont see many enchantment deck in the meta.
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I'll post what I have made so far. I only need to know what could be some changes to make, AND what fetch lands / Shock lands I would need to make it a bit more consistent. So here we go!
3x Reckless Fireweaver
4x Mana Leak
3x Inquisition of Kozilek
3x Muddle the Mixture
4x Altar of the Brood
4x Serum Visions
4x Myr Retriever
1x Fabricate
3x Saheeli Rai
1x Liquimetal Coating
4x Heartless Summoning
2x Trinket Mage
Lands
1x Choked Estuary
1x Temple of Deceit
2x Temple of Epiphany
6x Swamp
2x Dragonskull Summit
7x Island
5x Mountain
SIDEBOARD
2x Harsh Scrutiny
3x Radiant Flames
2x Crumble to Dust
1x Surgical Extraction
1x Extirpate
1x Dismember
1x Duress
2x Spellskite
1x Saheeli Rai
1x Muddle the Mixture
I havent been able to play it yet cause I've been working most of the friday night lately, so i dont have a score to put against what I've played so far. But i would really appreciate to have your opinion on this funky deck I've made!
Thanks in advance MTG community !
Heartless Summoning and Myr Retriever are one of the 2 combo that goes off with either Altar of the Brood OR Reckless Fireweaver. It is a basic combo to break in my opinion, so since I saw the combo of Saheeli Rai and Liquimetal Coating that makes the same kind of infinity loop, i decided to play Grixis by putting theses 2 combo together. The 2 combo goes off with either the Altar or the Fireweaver. Basicly you just have a bit more chance to make a combo in the deck.
Edit: What about Impact Tremors along with Reckless Fireweaver, so the combo doesn't die from a bolt?
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Good idea ! Didnt think about that card maybe 1 or 2 ill try it! How many more ? I dont feel like a playset would be good since it interact only with saheeli, but maybe 1 more?
EDIT: I just took a look at impact tremor, it would work but only with the myr, not saheeli since saheeli isnt a creature but a planewalker
For now yes, i just bought 5 fetch and 3 shock lands
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Also, seeing this deck, you would have to make sure to keep a counterspell and open mana open at all times so the combo isn't disrupted.
On lands: Get rid of the reveal-land and the dragonskull, I think that more temples could help this deck, so you can filter what you don't need away.
EDIT: Just realized that if you use Liquimetal Coating on an enemy minion, you could use something like, persay, Smash to Smithereens to destroy an enemy creature with no drawbacks, and bolting their face!
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Formerly presumed dead, but also formerly presumed alive.
I could splash white, but right now 3 color is kind of hard to know what mana ill need especially if i need all 3 colors.
Concerning the liquimetal coating, i know and you can even destroy lands ! Enchantment planeswalkers ! And there more ! Its another brew im going for later ( jund land destuction with that and 1mana artefact destruction anyways )
The lands i know but i use them cause i van only upgrade it little by little, and i had them ^^
I went 1-2 vs jund termo is a pain...
And 2-1 vs r/g land destruction.
I would look at upping your Trinket Mage count and lower your Altar of the Brood, because it really doesn't feel good to draw a Mage after already playing an Altar, also altar can possibly help decks that use the graveyard as a resource.
Also Taigam's Scheming is an interesting card to filter the top of your deck into better draws while also getting a possible retriever in the yard.
Ive added a second liquimetal coating ( too 1 muddle the mixture out ) and ive been able to get the combo with saheeli out a bit more, ive added 2 kolaghans command in my sideboard and its wonderfull ! I can destroy anything with that ! I also took 1 atlar and 1 reckless fireweaver out for 2 disple of the vault ( giving it a try, and it broke the thopter sword combo !! )
Ill have to see for taigam's scheming, i also tought about telling time,..
Right now at my local ive played vs a dredge wich is only a big race but i went 1-2, ive played alot vs infect and there its just a race of wich is faster depending on opening hands. Ive played vs naya burn and thats an ok game after sideboard. I went vs gift for the first time and i went 1-1-1 broke his thopter sword of meek combo because of my disciple of the vault ! So the game got stalled.. any more ideas would be great...
LANDS:
1xChoked Estuary
4xIsland
3xSwamp
2xMountain
3xPolluted Delta
2xBloodstained Mire
2xBlood Crypt
1xTemple of Deceit
2xTemple of Epiphany
1xDarksteel Citadel
3xWatery Grave
PLANESWALKER:
3xSaheeli Rai
ENCHANTMENT:
4xHeartless Summoning
INSTANT:
2xCryptic Command
2xRemand
3xPact of Negation
ARTIFACT:
3xAltar of the Brood
2xLiquimetal Coating
CREATURE:
2xTrinket Mage
2xReckless Fireweaver
4xMyr Retriever
SORCERY:
1xFabricate
4xSerum Visions
3xInquisition of Kozilek
SIDEBOARD!!
1xSurgical Extraction
1xExtirpate
2xSpellskite
2xCrumble to Dust
1xDismember
1xDuress
2xHarsh Scrutiny
2xKolaghan's Command
3xRadiant Flames
The deck seems weird but it works really well, I have enought piece of each combo to know wich way to go, enought disruption to keep the combo going and enought protection. The sideboard is when I play against aggro, tron, infect and even combo! Im still Learning a bit how to sideboard against some deck but thats magic after all !
Some scores from my FNM games.
VS Infect: I can race it and take away their creatures fast enought before they can kill me.
VS Tron: Crumble, Extirpate or surgical is the key here with a turn 1 Altar...
VS Scape*****: Easy, its a bit like vs tron but you mill their mountain too !
VS Aggro: bit harder but you can discard their creature and kill their board with Radiant Flames...
VS Combo: usually their combo is slower then ours so dont need to sideboard in much stuff unless vs kiki, then hand disruption is great!
VS Gifts: They dont know what to sideboard and what to get with gifts since we do all kind of stuff lol.
VS Dreadge: Now thats a race ! milling is hard vs them but its menagable since they also mill themself ( kind of ) otherwise radiant flames is a key card here...
^^^ that is pretty much the meta at the Local stores im playing..
Any advice would be really appreciated... Thanks you all for taking the time to read and even maybe reply !
Swap Radiant Flames with Anger of the Gods
EDIT:
Also, forgot to ask about how Impact Tremors did, if it did anything at all.
How about Lightning Axe to throw stuff in the 'yard?
We need some enchantment hate; Everything that hoses dredge, hoses us.
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Formerly presumed dead, but also formerly presumed alive.
I like radiant flames better since anger does the same but is double red.
Havent tried Impact Tremor, i guess i could try, and switch theses reckless fireweaver ?
Its true about leyline but what could i switch it with in the side ?
Dont really need enchantment hate, the liquimetal and kolaghan's command can destroy it. and there isn't that many in all the decks overall.. sure i havent played in pptq and such since im still switching cards and testing it. But i dont see many enchantment deck in the meta.