Thanks for the suggestions! I decided to put in a single copy of Underworld Cerebus and Lead the Stampede. So far that is helping with closing out longer games. I still feel like this deck is missing something. I'm not sure what that is exactly, but the nice thing is the color pie doesn't matter all that much. I'm considering experimenting with a multicolored planeswalker.
I have been playing this deck since it first came out. I believe that people are underestimating Falkenrath Aristocrat. This is the best creature in the deck except for maybe Mantis Rider. This should easily be a 4 of. This is a beat down deck and haste matters. Spell Queller is only alright. Tidehollow Sculler sucks in the main. Dromoka's Command is better than abrupt decay. Easier to cast and it buffs your dudes to kill them quicker.
So just picked this deck up for fun cause I own 5c humans and Naya Big Zoo so I had most of the expensive parts on Modo already. That being said a card I haven't seen anyone play with is Rogue Refiner for Kaladesh. The energy gain is moot but its the same body as BBE at 3/2 and it draws a card. That plus Horizon Canopy and Domri Rade makes for a constant stream of critters.
My List:
4 Ancient Ziggurat
4 Mana Confluence
3 Pillar of the Paruns
3 Reflecting Pool
3 Razorverge Thicket
3 Horizon Canopy
2 City of Brass
^^
I like the list but I think that you need to add some basics (at least 1, but better 2) as PtE and GQ/FoR are so common and you don't want to make it so much better against you.
Also why do you have Thunderbreak Regent in the SB ?
Here is my new idea for the deck based on my previous concept of going all-in on the creatures and having Glittering Wish to tutor up silver bullets:
I originally had just a forest in the main but online right now is all Jund and Naya trying out Blood-braid or UbX or URx trying out jace which for the most part hasn't been very many blood moons and a lot less plains. Also thunderbreak was an attempt at a 4 mana all red creature for blood moon. kills jace if they bounce it is all.
I've been to GP Lyon in Modern and because we weren't allow to play unban cards, I didn't take my traditional Jund but I wanted to test my 5c Good Stuff deck.
All my team mates were laughing about it and said me that I would be destroyed during all the GP.
First step of the week-end : I've made Day 2 with my deck !
We celebrated the birthday of one of my team mate the saturday's night, drunk a lot and slept a few.
Round 9 :
2-1 vs UW Control
7-2
Round 10 :
2-0 vs Ad Nauseam
8-2
At this point of the tournament, I was at the 40th / 2058 place.
I start thinking about top 32 or top 64 and was encouraged by all my team and the French players that I knew ... but you can burn your wings when you fly to close to the sun
Round 11 :
1-2 vs Burn
8-3
Round 12 :
1-2 vs G Tron
8-4
Round 13 :
1-2 vs Burn
8-5
Round 14 :
1-2 vs Jeskai Prowess
8-6
Round 15 :
1-2 vs BW Zombies
8-7
I've lost my last 5 matches 1-2, some really close games every round but it wasn't enough : the mana base (which didn't bother me Day 1) betrayed me, the tiredness felt more and more during all the day and I made 1 or 2 mistakes.
Finished 317th / 2058, not a bad record but I was disappointed because I really believe in my possibility for a good result.
Anyway, here are my feedbacks of the deck :
- Only 2 opponents on 14 knew it and even if the knew the name, they didn't remember all the creatures played : the surprise effect is our best weapon
- You have more evasion and big threats than Humans, which is a good match up
- Your games against Burn just depend of the lands you've kept (Horizon Canopy and Mana confluence are painful)
- Tidehollow Sculler and Meddling Mage are a good combinaison of cards against combo
- Spell Queller is a "must be played" card, it won me sooooo many games (and he has evasion)
- Thalia is really strong in the actual meta game and will be better if Jace becomes popular
- We need to draw, that's why I've played 3 Horizon Canopy. On the other hand, with Mana confluence, it hurts a lot ... that's why I think we need some other life gain cards such as Kitchen Finks
- Voice disappointed me a little bit, it was really effective and the tokens was over-kill when I had a big board or too low on an empty board
Here is the list I would play for an other event :
I play Aether Vial for the uncounterable condition and the possibility to play creatures in flash mode, which is great.
To play a Tidehollow Sculler after the draw step of a Burn player feel great for example.
Maybe cut an other dork is an option but 21 lands with 4 Vial and 7 dorks was OK for me.
I agree with you for Fulminator Mage against Tron, without it, it's a terrible match-up.
If the deck becomes more played (which is a strong possibility because it destroys midrange like Jund), Fulminator Mage will be in the SB.
Domri Rade and Tamiyo, Field Researcher seem like the best options followed by: Sarkhan Unbroken, Ajani, Mentor of Heroes and Arlinn Kord.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pkLbP-g_HJM
http://www.mtgvods.com/video/807/scg-dallas-open-11mar17-round-11-kale-orrmons-(abzan-company)-vs-gabriel-nicholas-(rogue)
It seems to me that the deck has some legs to it.
3x copies of Anafenza seem too much, Spell Queller should be a 4x-of in the maindeck.
No Kambal in the SB (over Eidolon of Rhetoric) is a bit surprising though Eidolon is better against Living End and Ad Nauseam.
Meddling Mage also seems a better answer to combo decks than Sin Collector as the deck already has Tidehollow Sculler for hand disruption.
The 1x Reclamation Sage should be another Qasali Pridemage.
turns out to be bbe now! who wouldve guessed?
// 32 Creature
4 Noble Hierarch
4 Birds of Paradise
4 Mantis Rider
4 Bloodbraid Elf
4 Siege Rhino
2 Qasali Pridemage
3 Spell Queller
2 Kitchen Finks
1 Anafenza, the Foremost
4 Voice of Resurgence
4 Path to Exile
// 22 Land
3 Pillar of the Paruns
4 Ancient Ziggurat
4 Razorverge Thicket
4 Reflecting Pool
1 Forest
4 Mana Confluence
2 Gemstone Mine
// 2 Sorcery
2 Lead the Stampede
// 15 Creature
3 Fulminator Mage
2 Gaddock Teeg
4 Tidehollow Sculler
2 Selfless Spirit
1 Meddling Mage
1 Izzet Staticaster
1 Auriok Champion
1 Reclamation Sage
Though cascading into Spell Queller isn't that good...
I wonder if we shouldn't be taking a cue from another 5C creatures deck in humans and adopting their tech:
#Tidehollow Sculler (the better Kitesail Freebooter) should probably be in the maindeck over Voice of Resurgence.
#Maybe include at least some copies of Meddling Mage as well, though I wouldn't want to cut Qasali Pridemage.
#Reflector Mage can be this deck's removal and replace Path to Exile.
#A maindeck copy of Kambal, Consul of Allocation might not be a bad idea.
Another idea to run Glittering Wish in the deck to tutor for silver bullets in the SB:
Fulminator Mage, Gaddock Teeg, Orzhov Pontiff/Izzet Staticaster, Sin Collector, Dauntless Escort, Trygon Predator, Loxodon Hierarch
and Sigarda, Host of Herons, Surrak Dragonclaw, Blood Baron of Vizkopa.
Or spells like: Abrupt Decay/Terminate, Maelstrom Pulse, Anguished Unmaking, Kolaghan's Command, Dromoka's Command, Izzet Charm,
Slaughter Games, Jund Charm/Temur Charm/Naya Charm, Wheel of Sun and Moon and Fracturing Gust.
My List:
4 Ancient Ziggurat
4 Mana Confluence
3 Pillar of the Paruns
3 Reflecting Pool
3 Razorverge Thicket
3 Horizon Canopy
2 City of Brass
4 Path to Exile
4 Birds of Paradise
4 Noble Hierarch
4 Voice of Resurgence
2 Qasali Pridemage
2 Kitchen Finks
4 Mantis Rider
4 Rogue Refiner
4 Siege Rhino
4 Bloodbraid Elf
2 Domri Rade
1 Gaddock Teeg
2 Kambal, Consul of Allocation
4 Tidehollow Sculler
1 Vithian Renegades
2 Izzet Staticaster
2 Thunderbreak Regent
2 Lead the Stampede
1 Forest
I like the list but I think that you need to add some basics (at least 1, but better 2) as PtE and GQ/FoR are so common and you don't want to make it so much better against you.
Also why do you have Thunderbreak Regent in the SB ?
Here is my new idea for the deck based on my previous concept of going all-in on the creatures and having Glittering Wish to tutor up silver bullets:
4x Noble Hierarch
4x Birds of Paradise
2x Qasali Pridemage
2x Meddling Mage
4x Tidehollow Sculler
4x Spell Queller
4x Mantis Rider
4x Reflector Mage
3x Bloodbraid Elf
4x Siege Rhino
3x Glittering Wish
Land (22)
4x Ancient Ziggurat
4x Mana Confluence
3x City of Brass
3x Reflecting Pool
2x Pillar of the Paruns
4x Razorverge Thicket
1x Forest
1x Plains
2x Maelstrom Pulse
2x Meddling Mage
3x Fulminator Mage
1x Gaddock Teeg
1x Kambal, Consul of Allocation
1x Qasali Pridemage
1x Hostage Taker
1x Sin Collector
1x Dauntless Escort
1x Izzet Staticaster
1x Orzhov Pontiff
My SB now is:
1 Gaddock Teeg
2 Kambal, Consul of Allocation
4 Tidehollow Sculler
2 Kitchen Finks*
2 Izzet Staticaster
2 Boros Charm*
1 Plains*
1 Forest
I've been to GP Lyon in Modern and because we weren't allow to play unban cards, I didn't take my traditional Jund but I wanted to test my 5c Good Stuff deck.
All my team mates were laughing about it and said me that I would be destroyed during all the GP.
Here is the list I've played :
1 Plains
1 Forest
4 Ancient Ziggurat
4 Gemstone Mine
3 Horizon Canopy
3 Mana Confluence
2 Pillar of the Paruns
3 Reflecting Pool
Creatures
4 Birds of Paradise
3 Noble Hierarch
4 Thalia, Guardian of Thraben
4 Tidehollow Sculler
3 Voice of Resurgence
3 Reflector Mage
4 Spell Queller
4 Mantis Rider
3 Falkenrath Aristocrat
3 Siege Rhino
4 Aether Vial
2 Kataki, War's Wage
1 Selfless Spirit
3 Meddling Mage
1 Qasali Pridemage
2 Izzet Staticaster
2 Sin Collector
2 Grafdigger's Cage
2 Dismember
Round 1 :
[Bye]
1-0
Round 2 :
2-0 vs GW Hatebear
2-0
Round 3 :
2-1 vs Burn
3-0
Round 4 :
2-0 vs Humans
4-0
Round 5 :
0-2 vs G Tron
4-1
Round 6 :
1-2 vs Jeskai Ascendancy
4-2
Round 7 :
2-0 vs Humans
5-2
Round 8 :
2-1 vs Burn
6-2
First step of the week-end : I've made Day 2 with my deck !
We celebrated the birthday of one of my team mate the saturday's night, drunk a lot and slept a few.
Round 9 :
2-1 vs UW Control
7-2
Round 10 :
2-0 vs Ad Nauseam
8-2
At this point of the tournament, I was at the 40th / 2058 place.
I start thinking about top 32 or top 64 and was encouraged by all my team and the French players that I knew ... but you can burn your wings when you fly to close to the sun
Round 11 :
1-2 vs Burn
8-3
Round 12 :
1-2 vs G Tron
8-4
Round 13 :
1-2 vs Burn
8-5
Round 14 :
1-2 vs Jeskai Prowess
8-6
Round 15 :
1-2 vs BW Zombies
8-7
I've lost my last 5 matches 1-2, some really close games every round but it wasn't enough : the mana base (which didn't bother me Day 1) betrayed me, the tiredness felt more and more during all the day and I made 1 or 2 mistakes.
Finished 317th / 2058, not a bad record but I was disappointed because I really believe in my possibility for a good result.
Anyway, here are my feedbacks of the deck :
- Only 2 opponents on 14 knew it and even if the knew the name, they didn't remember all the creatures played : the surprise effect is our best weapon
- You have more evasion and big threats than Humans, which is a good match up
- Your games against Burn just depend of the lands you've kept (Horizon Canopy and Mana confluence are painful)
- Tidehollow Sculler and Meddling Mage are a good combinaison of cards against combo
- Spell Queller is a "must be played" card, it won me sooooo many games (and he has evasion)
- Thalia is really strong in the actual meta game and will be better if Jace becomes popular
- We need to draw, that's why I've played 3 Horizon Canopy. On the other hand, with Mana confluence, it hurts a lot ... that's why I think we need some other life gain cards such as Kitchen Finks
- Voice disappointed me a little bit, it was really effective and the tokens was over-kill when I had a big board or too low on an empty board
Here is the list I would play for an other event :
1 Plains
1 Forest
4 Ancient Ziggurat
4 Gemstone Mine
3 Horizon Canopy
3 Mana Confluence
2 Pillar of the Paruns
3 Reflecting Pool
Creatures
4 Birds of Paradise
3 Noble Hierarch
4 Thalia, Guardian of Thraben
4 Tidehollow Sculler
2 Voice of Resurgence
2 Kitchen Finks
3 Reflector Mage
4 Spell Queller
3 Mantis Rider
3 Falkenrath Aristocrat
3 Siege Rhino
4 Aether Vial
1 Kataki, War's Wage
1 Selfless Spirit
3 Meddling Mage
2 Qasali Pridemage
1 Tireless Tracker
2 Izzet Staticaster
1 Sin Collector
2 Grafdigger's Cage
2 Dismember
Thanks for having read me !
Gus
I'd rather go with Qasali Pridemage over Voice of Resurgence in the maindeck.
Without Fulminator Mage beating Tron is going to be really hard.
To play a Tidehollow Sculler after the draw step of a Burn player feel great for example.
Maybe cut an other dork is an option but 21 lands with 4 Vial and 7 dorks was OK for me.
I agree with you for Fulminator Mage against Tron, without it, it's a terrible match-up.
If the deck becomes more played (which is a strong possibility because it destroys midrange like Jund), Fulminator Mage will be in the SB.
Gus
Hero of Precinct One is another interesting payoff fro playing multi-colored spells/creatures though it is a bit slow.