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And no, it's never to soon to try and break modern.
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Revoker seems like a good sideboard card. Thrummingbird has no point, and murkfiend is really expensive.
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I feel like its possible to overthink this card. You're running a lot of instants to flip it, so maybe pairing it with Delver and Thiago is good enough? Spellskite is probably a reasonable addition, but 4 might be overkill.
I feel like its possible to overthink this card. You're running a lot of instants to flip it, so maybe pairing it with Delver and Thiago is good enough? Spellskite is probably a reasonable addition, but 4 might be overkill.
I'm just scared of Path to Exile and Vapor Snag, as they and Spell Snare are really the only ways to get rid of the Kraken once it flips.
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Maybe this would work better in a temur shell, adding bolts and whatever. Also since you are placing too much weight in the thing, wouldn't it be better to be able to get it back?
Or Sultai I guess, we can't stretch the manabase too much. Fate transfer can fit into the Simic Shell too. It also gets hard once you move into black because cards that are worth including cost BB.
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correct me if im wrong, but if you cast natural affinity as the 4th spell to flip it, it will flip and put the return ability on the stack to resolve BEFORE natural affinity. So you have to play something like a bolt, and in response to the flip, play natural affinity. It's kinda hard, and leaves you vulnerable to a path for example, losing natural affinity wich will do nothing.
Can't you work around that by playing Natural affinity in response to its "When this transforms into..." clause?
Power Conduit doesn't seem good enough unless you've got more stuff to use it with.
Hadn't thought about trying to go Temur... Maybe it'd be better to go Dimir with green splash? Natural Affinity is the only green spell you're running, after all.
Going Dimir also opens up the possibility of running Transmute cards.
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Modern - Cheeri0s (building), Belcher (building), Lantern (building), UW Control (building)
RIP Magic Duels. Wizards will regret what they did to you.
Maybe this would work better in a temur shell, adding bolts and whatever. Also since you are placing too much weight in the thing, wouldn't it be better to be able to get it back?
I'll try making a deck for that. We run Muddle and Noxious Revival is a good inclusion.
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correct me if im wrong, but if you cast natural affinity as the 4th spell to flip it, it will flip and put the return ability on the stack to resolve BEFORE natural affinity. So you have to play something a bolt, and in response to the flip, play natural affinity. It's kinda hard, and leaves you vulnerable to a path for example, losing natural affinity wich will do nothing.
You don't have to cast it as the fourth spell, it just has to be on the same turn. ALso, we run a lot of spellskites.
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Got my playset yesterday for 20 bucks, i am really excited about this card. Its already nicknamed TiTi, so if that's not a good reason to play it
Just asking, but wouldnt a UR or Grixis Shell be better than Simic?
R would give you Boardwipes, Bolt, Moon and some cool UR stuff.
BR would give you Discard and Terminate.
Dont forget Simic Charm! Ist such a wonderful card
Edit: Is this supposed to stay a simic only primer or can we discuss all sorts of colours in this thread?
You can discuss all colors!
Simic was the original shell however, and for good reason. The reason is Natural Affinity, which creates a two card combo with TiTi. With green we also get access to Noxious Revival, a 0 mana spell that can either remove a counter or get back out TiTi.
Simic Charm is the perfect card for this deck!
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Seconded on Charm, can't believe I forgot that one.
We can throw in Hurkyll's Recall for Affinity hate.
Affinity is going to be a very tough matchup. Almost unwinnable. We need at least 2 each of Hurkyl's Recall and Creeping Corrosion in the Sideboard.
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Another great inclusion in the sideboard is Golgari Charm. It kills Lingering Souls tokens and a large portion of affinity's creatures. It helps against Jund, Jeskai, Grixis and Abzan board wipes. It blows up Worship, maybe Spreading Seas, Leyline of Sanctity, BLOOD MOON.
Of course you'd have to play Sultai, which is probably the best color combination. Not to mention the most expensive color combination.
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That looks like a pretty good list! I don't have a lot of pieces for the deck but I would love to see it at an FNM. I think it would really take some people by surprise.
A TiTi without the combo is still pretty menacing, and will probably end games against some decks.
Edit: We need to cut some cards so we have enough lands.
Maybe move The two Noxious Revivals to the Sideboard?
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I don't see this breaking modern, but it does sound like a lot of fun. It's a card that asks to be built around and that can be a huge downside because this restriction will make you weak to certain archetypes. But that being said this card is more like delver of secrets than it is like Jace's Phantasm. In fact I see this in a Simic delver shell like this:
4x delver of secrets
4x Thing in the ice
4x snapcaster Mage
My favorite card in this list is vines of vastwood because it flips TiTi, protects it, and pumps it.
Turn 1 delver
Turn 2 flip-play TiTi-swing for 3
Turn 3 gitaxian probe, mutagenic growth x2, vines of vastwood kicked. Flips Titi leaving up one for Dispell(if they try to counter something-he already has hexproof)or recasting delver. Swing for 15
- Mutavaults and creeping tarpits avoid the bounce effect.
- Can attack under a ensnaring bridge then cast an instant to flip.
- 6 Bounces spells for Bridges if needed.
- Ravens crime's retrace allows you to use multiple times to remove ice counters when you flood out.
I like the idea of manlands in this deck. Ensnaring Bridge doesn't do too much if you beed to keep cards.
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Maybe we could try and define a core and from their try different archetypes involving said core? Kinda like how Eldrazi's center is TKS, Smasher, and the lands but is then diversified into flavors/colors. I've seen a few other primers do the same (Green Devotion and Taking Turns, for example).
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The card is already like $10 to preorder, and it's some serious stuff.
It seems like the forums already love it, considering it has numerous threads related.
But where does it really fit?
Some aspects are obvious, lots of instants/sorceries, and preferably creatures to abuse the flip trigger.
Using it alongside Natural Affinity in a Simic shell seems broken. Just maybe.
4 Thing in the Ice
4 Snapcaster Mage
4 Spellskite
Instants:
2 Muddle the Mixture
4 Natural Affinity
4 Mutagenic Growth
2 Spell Snare
3 Mana Leak
3 Remand
4 Gitaxian Probe
4 Serum Visions
Lands:
4 Misty Rainforest
4 Breeding Pool
2 Hinterland Harbor
2 Forest
8 Island
Seems pretty sick to me!
G Stompy G
UR Izzet Prowess/Delver UR
UWB Spirits UWB
UWB Brain Control UWBWUB Esper Reveillark WUB
EDH:
WUBRG Horde of Notions WUBRG
W Nine-and-a-Half TailsW
WGUR Kynaios and Tiro of Meletis WGUR
Also, isn't it a little too soon for this? >_>
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Well, Hunted Horror is BB, and the Chasm Skulker tokens aren't horrors.
And no, it's never to soon to try and break modern.
G Stompy G
UR Izzet Prowess/Delver UR
UWB Spirits UWB
UWB Brain Control UWBWUB Esper Reveillark WUB
EDH:
WUBRG Horde of Notions WUBRG
W Nine-and-a-Half TailsW
WGUR Kynaios and Tiro of Meletis WGUR
Other in-color horrors are hard to come by... Murkfiend Liege? Phyrexian Revoker? Thrummingbird?
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Revoker seems like a good sideboard card. Thrummingbird has no point, and murkfiend is really expensive.
G Stompy G
UR Izzet Prowess/Delver UR
UWB Spirits UWB
UWB Brain Control UWBWUB Esper Reveillark WUB
EDH:
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W Nine-and-a-Half TailsW
WGUR Kynaios and Tiro of Meletis WGUR
I'm just scared of Path to Exile and Vapor Snag, as they and Spell Snare are really the only ways to get rid of the Kraken once it flips.
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UR Izzet Prowess/Delver UR
UWB Spirits UWB
UWB Brain Control UWBWUB Esper Reveillark WUB
EDH:
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W Nine-and-a-Half TailsW
WGUR Kynaios and Tiro of Meletis WGUR
Acidic Slime, Augur of Bolas, Bounding Krasis, Deceiver Exarch, etc.
Can you foresee any difficult matchups?
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A U/B shell might be the place for this card.
Other cards that can help it flip are: Power Conduit and Medicine Runner.
Or Sultai I guess, we can't stretch the manabase too much. Fate transfer can fit into the Simic Shell too. It also gets hard once you move into black because cards that are worth including cost BB.
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UR Izzet Prowess/Delver UR
UWB Spirits UWB
UWB Brain Control UWBWUB Esper Reveillark WUB
EDH:
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W Nine-and-a-Half TailsW
WGUR Kynaios and Tiro of Meletis WGUR
Power Conduit doesn't seem good enough unless you've got more stuff to use it with.
Hadn't thought about trying to go Temur... Maybe it'd be better to go Dimir with green splash? Natural Affinity is the only green spell you're running, after all.
Going Dimir also opens up the possibility of running Transmute cards.
Modern - Cheeri0s (building), Belcher (building), Lantern (building), UW Control (building)
RIP Magic Duels. Wizards will regret what they did to you.
I'll try making a deck for that. We run Muddle and Noxious Revival is a good inclusion.
G Stompy G
UR Izzet Prowess/Delver UR
UWB Spirits UWB
UWB Brain Control UWBWUB Esper Reveillark WUB
EDH:
WUBRG Horde of Notions WUBRG
W Nine-and-a-Half TailsW
WGUR Kynaios and Tiro of Meletis WGUR
G Stompy G
UR Izzet Prowess/Delver UR
UWB Spirits UWB
UWB Brain Control UWBWUB Esper Reveillark WUB
EDH:
WUBRG Horde of Notions WUBRG
W Nine-and-a-Half TailsW
WGUR Kynaios and Tiro of Meletis WGUR
You can discuss all colors!
Simic was the original shell however, and for good reason. The reason is Natural Affinity, which creates a two card combo with TiTi. With green we also get access to Noxious Revival, a 0 mana spell that can either remove a counter or get back out TiTi.
Simic Charm is the perfect card for this deck!
G Stompy G
UR Izzet Prowess/Delver UR
UWB Spirits UWB
UWB Brain Control UWBWUB Esper Reveillark WUB
EDH:
WUBRG Horde of Notions WUBRG
W Nine-and-a-Half TailsW
WGUR Kynaios and Tiro of Meletis WGUR
We can throw in Hurkyll's Recall for Affinity hate.
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RIP Magic Duels. Wizards will regret what they did to you.
Affinity is going to be a very tough matchup. Almost unwinnable. We need at least 2 each of Hurkyl's Recall and Creeping Corrosion in the Sideboard.
G Stompy G
UR Izzet Prowess/Delver UR
UWB Spirits UWB
UWB Brain Control UWBWUB Esper Reveillark WUB
EDH:
WUBRG Horde of Notions WUBRG
W Nine-and-a-Half TailsW
WGUR Kynaios and Tiro of Meletis WGUR
Of course you'd have to play Sultai, which is probably the best color combination. Not to mention the most expensive color combination.
G Stompy G
UR Izzet Prowess/Delver UR
UWB Spirits UWB
UWB Brain Control UWBWUB Esper Reveillark WUB
EDH:
WUBRG Horde of Notions WUBRG
W Nine-and-a-Half TailsW
WGUR Kynaios and Tiro of Meletis WGUR
A TiTi without the combo is still pretty menacing, and will probably end games against some decks.
Edit: We need to cut some cards so we have enough lands.
Maybe move The two Noxious Revivals to the Sideboard?
G Stompy G
UR Izzet Prowess/Delver UR
UWB Spirits UWB
UWB Brain Control UWBWUB Esper Reveillark WUB
EDH:
WUBRG Horde of Notions WUBRG
W Nine-and-a-Half TailsW
WGUR Kynaios and Tiro of Meletis WGUR
4x delver of secrets
4x Thing in the ice
4x snapcaster Mage
4x gitaxian probe
2x noxious revival
4x mutagenic growth
4x vines of vastwood
2x simic charm
4x natural affinity
4x Dispell
3x mana leak
My favorite card in this list is vines of vastwood because it flips TiTi, protects it, and pumps it.
Turn 1 delver
Turn 2 flip-play TiTi-swing for 3
Turn 3 gitaxian probe, mutagenic growth x2, vines of vastwood kicked. Flips Titi leaving up one for Dispell(if they try to counter something-he already has hexproof)or recasting delver. Swing for 15
No vapor Snag?
I like the idea of manlands in this deck. Ensnaring Bridge doesn't do too much if you beed to keep cards.
G Stompy G
UR Izzet Prowess/Delver UR
UWB Spirits UWB
UWB Brain Control UWBWUB Esper Reveillark WUB
EDH:
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W Nine-and-a-Half TailsW
WGUR Kynaios and Tiro of Meletis WGUR
Here's what I was thinking.
2x Blood Crypt
3x Bloodstained Mire
2x Darkslick Shores
2x muddle the mixture
2x mana leak
4x Gitaxian Probe
2x Inquisition of Kozilek
2x Island
3x Kolaghan's Command
4x Lightning Bolt
4x Polluted Delta
3x Scalding Tarn
4x Serum Visions
4x Snapcaster Mage
2x Steam Vents
2x Swamp
4x Terminate
4x Thing in the Ice
2x Thoughtseize
2x Vendilion Clique
2x Watery Grave
Cards worth pondering over:
1x Greater Gargadon
1x Jace, Vryn's Prodigy
1x Vampire Hexmage
1x Whelming Wave
Also, make sure to tell me whether your deck lists are combo or something else.
G Stompy G
UR Izzet Prowess/Delver UR
UWB Spirits UWB
UWB Brain Control UWBWUB Esper Reveillark WUB
EDH:
WUBRG Horde of Notions WUBRG
W Nine-and-a-Half TailsW
WGUR Kynaios and Tiro of Meletis WGUR
Modern - Cheeri0s (building), Belcher (building), Lantern (building), UW Control (building)
RIP Magic Duels. Wizards will regret what they did to you.