I will definitely keep posting. I am a big fan of this deck, and I would absolutely love it if anyone else started picking it up, especially if playing a similar list to mine. I'll be playing this in 2 modern events this week so I'll let you know how it goes.
I always advocate for as many big Eldrazi as you can fit. Ulamog has a tendency to run into Path to Exile quite often, for me at least.
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Still around; been fairly busy of late so I haven't had the chance to play a ton. Played a FNM Modern two weeks ago and went 3-1; the deck performed well in general and the lost match certainly could of been a win depending on draws. Ended up beating Tooth and Nail, Amulet of Vigor (Land Deck; Combo Thing), and a R/U Combo Homebrew. Lost to Breachshift which felt pretty bad in general since each time the game went fairly long and I just didn't draw into anything relative for the board state (Being at 9 mana with Ulamog in hand, and no land drops for multiple turns feels bad). Biggest issue I had was closing out the game with early aggression since Sakura-Tribe Elder ramp/chump proved very effective. Also getting Worldspine Wurm for 15 into 3 5/5 on turn 3/4 feels bad.
Other than that match, the deck felt really good overall. Even won through a blood moon with some good draws into my Wastes in the Tooth and Nail game. All is Dust was an all star in several matches (except for Breachshift where it never showed up >_< I needed you), either causing a board wipe for my opponent to delay or outright winning the game when it is cast. Loving the deck; I really need to buy some Ghost Quarters to replace 1-2 of my utility lands so I can crack it on myself to find a Waste. Running 2 Waste in the mainboard also has been very beneficial since Blood Moon and Path to Exile are rampant.
Further thoughts; I feel like I often side out my Mimics (currently playing with 2) for my sideboard in favour of playing a longer control game but I have a feeling that it would be better to keep them and side out the Endless Ones instead. The 6&7 slot package is something that I have been mulling over awhile;
Currently I run Conduit of Ruin x2, Endbringer x1, and Deceiver of Form x1. Tempted to drop that down to Conduit of Ruin x2, and add in the x2 Mimic in the bottom slot. I win a vast majority of my games simply off Though-Knot Seer and Reality Smashers. The higher end package seems like overkill for Modern (we are already "bigger" than most decks) and don't have the options against a real control deck. It seems I am trending towards a mid-range shell for the mainboard, then sideboard options between control (when playing against decks faster than us) or aggro (when playing against decks slower than us).
Going to play against this weekend and then work towards the next version for tuning depending how I feel it goes.
I'll post up my results after FNM as well. Good luck all.
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Didn't get to play last week as they were drafting Eternal Masters and its Standard this week. Anyone else run their list?
We may get a new plaything come Monday as well.
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Will be play testing new Emrakul, the Promised End in the Kozilek spot of my deck. Looks like we may see a few more colorless cards as well. Keeps fingers crossed for Eldrazi.
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New colourless cards : D Super excited to see what the upcoming set holds for us.
Had the chance to head out to a tournament during the weekend and proceeded to go 1-3 (meh). Had some pretty poor luck for most of the day (didn't win a single die roll to play) and a few close games that could have gone either way. (Overall; 1-2, 0-2, 1-2, 2-1). Random thoughts; I'll be increasing my Mimics from x2 to x4. The core of the deck has always been TKS - Reality Smashers, I rather have things that synergies with them than dropping a filler endless one at 3/3 or whatever. Also need to remind myself to announce mimic triggers for people, otherwise they don't count. Oh well, nitpicky magic is something that certain people love to play. Not my particular cup of tea, but that is the nature of the beast.
On the other note, I finally decided to order the rest of the deck online since all of the LGS I frequent doesn't seem to have any Ghost Quarters or Relics which has been frustrating. Lots of Tron/Blood Moon around so I think the Ghost Quarters are extremely important for us in both situations (stopping Tron/finding a basic for ourselves).
Play tested a few game ones vs. Goblins and Affinity today using a proxy copy of Emrakul, the Promised End. Vs. Goblins got new Emmy out about turn 5 but she whiffed as basically it took out a single Goblin Bushwhacker. But vs. Affinity I had the turn of the century. Turn 4 down 20 to 11 after a turn 3 Conduit of Ruin for new Emmy. Tron online, dropped another Mine, had an instant in the GY and a SSG in hand, so just enough to cast new Emmy. Basically had Annihilator 9 and got to cast a 4 point Galvanic Blast on opponent as well. With Arcbound Ravager on the battlefield it is amazing. I foresee Affinity sacking Ravager to itself to avoid the carnage. It was fun. Needless to say I won that game.
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Went 4-0 with the following list last night at LGS.
Round 1 vs Infect : 2-1 - lost to blighted agent and pump spells hitting me for 12 poison all at once. Won with chalice for 1 in one game and mapping for GQ to deal with ink moth in the other.
Round 2 vs Delver : 2-0 - Spot removal and then beat down got me through both games. Didn't side in chalice in either game but probably will next time.
Round 3 vs Burn : 2-0 - Not a conventional burn build, lots of elemental's that hit for 3 and then get sacrificed at end of turn, also playing Bloodchief Ascension. Used spot removal on his swift spears and block/beat down with reshaper/smasher. Game 2 chalice for 1.
Round 4 vs U/w/r control : 2-1 Game loss cos I got too greedy and swung with smasher to force lethal the next turn, forgot about fumarole, dead on the crack back. Both wins were from reasonably long games, which was good for me. World breaker blocks restoration angle and kills colenade very well and dropping Ulamogs with chalice on 1 to shut down path is a fun play
Looking forward to testing with Emrakul, the promised end. Thinking she might be good as an alternative threat when playing against a deck running path. turn 1 map, turn 2 crack map. Turn 3 achieve Tron - play all is dust. Turn 4 play second tower and drop Emrekul for 10. Not Sure if that's better than just dropping Ulamog t4 though?
Maybe also combo with Ugin's Nexus and sanctum of Ugin to chain New Emrekuls for constant mindslaver?
Interested to see if there will be other toys for us coming over the next week.
Looking forward to testing with Emrakul, the promised end. Thinking she might be good as an alternative threat when playing against a deck running path. turn 1 map, turn 2 crack map. Turn 3 achieve Tron - play all is dust. Turn 4 play second tower and drop Emrekul for 10. Not Sure if that's better than just dropping Ulamog t4 though?
If i'm not mistaken, emra would cost 11 in this scenario. In GY would only be sorc (all is dust) and artifact (map)
edit- my mistake, forgot about tribal from all is dust :/
Definitely not better than World Breakerin lists that run G, but in a strictly colorless list (like I run) I'm wondering if it might have a spot instead of say Deceiver of Form. I'm always looking for a 7,8 or 9 mana colorless creature that I can tutor with Conduit of Ruin in case I can't cast a new Ulamog or new Emrakul. I just want a 7 or 8 mana Wurmcoil Engine and it seems it isn't going to pop up this set.
Likes:
I can tutor it up with Conduit and Sanctum.
It dodges Dismember.
Taps down up to 4 permanents.
Flash could make it a nice end of opponents turn lockdown.
Dislikes:
"only" 5/6 for 8 mana
lacks any evasion
lacks lifegain or removal
Can't pay the Emerge cost in a colorless list.
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Wondering if bouncing a permanent to top of opponents library may actually be better than tapping down 4 permanents. Almost like a Worldbreaker-Lite. I don't like the 4 toughness though. Dies to Dismember where Elder Deep-Fiend does not.
Thoughts?
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I think they are interesting but I struggle to see a place for them in our decks. Even more so after going to a larger tournament last weekend (~140 people) where I was constantly fighting to achieve the mana-base for our higher costing threats. Sometimes it can be a struggle to find the mana for even a Reality Smasher or Conduit of Ruin before Affinity, Burn, and other decks can either disrupt us or kill us outright. Both Lashweed Lurker and Elder Deep-Fiend are overcosted for their stats, aren't playable on T3, would require at least a few temples (and more land on top of that), and the benefit of their abilities isn't gamebreaking. Elder Deep-Fiend reminds me of Mistbind Clique but doesn't fly, has a small gain in power/toughness but cost double. Lashweed Lurker has a worst statline than Reality Smasher, and effectively denies a draw step which isn't going to help you get your board back on track by the time you can cast 8 mana. For 8 colourless mana, I rather have an Ugin which is effectively going to act as a boardwipe/or removal/free lightning bolts.
Our creature package has a simple vibe; good statline - powerful effects
Mimic (2) - 2/1; Can grow in power/toughness for a turn
Reshaper (3) - 3/2; Aggressive piece that can trade and replace itself
TKT (4) - 4/4; Ability to remove a card for a draw when it dies. Avoids most damage removal
Reality Smasher (5) 5/5; Haste+Trample + Soft protection against removal
6 cost flex - RoC/Endbringer; 5/5, all with some kind of added bonus
If I am paying 7 or more mana for something, it needs to be very impactful. Wurmcoil Engine is pretty much the creature we would love to have as an Eldrazi. Good statline, hard to removal, prolongs the game. What I would like to see? Pay 7, 5/5 Lifelink+Flyer. Or a cheaper variation to round out our 4/5 drops more. We suffer against not being able to prolong the game against decks faster than us (unless we hit our removal) and getting something into the air would be nice.
Ok thinking of sleeving this up for WCQ this coming weekend after seeing it in action in Fenton, MI about a month ago. Have not been faring well with my Naya Burn list right now so thinking of the last minute audible. I am rather impressed with how brutally fast and hard this hits and still having the ability to interact with your opponent if needed.
Here is what I'm thinking of
I think they are interesting but I struggle to see a place for them in our decks. Even more so after going to a larger tournament last weekend (~140 people) where I was constantly fighting to achieve the mana-base for our higher costing threats. Sometimes it can be a struggle to find the mana for even a Reality Smasher or Conduit of Ruin before Affinity, Burn, and other decks can either disrupt us or kill us outright. Both Lashweed Lurker and Elder Deep-Fiend are overcosted for their stats, aren't playable on T3, would require at least a few temples (and more land on top of that), and the benefit of their abilities isn't gamebreaking. Elder Deep-Fiend reminds me of Mistbind Clique but doesn't fly, has a small gain in power/toughness but cost double. Lashweed Lurker has a worst statline than Reality Smasher, and effectively denies a draw step which isn't going to help you get your board back on track by the time you can cast 8 mana. For 8 colourless mana, I rather have an Ugin which is effectively going to act as a boardwipe/or removal/free lightning bolts.
Our creature package has a simple vibe; good statline - powerful effects
Mimic (2) - 2/1; Can grow in power/toughness for a turn
Reshaper (3) - 3/2; Aggressive piece that can trade and replace itself
TKT (4) - 4/4; Ability to remove a card for a draw when it dies. Avoids most damage removal
Reality Smasher (5) 5/5; Haste+Trample + Soft protection against removal
6 cost flex - RoC/Endbringer; 5/5, all with some kind of added bonus
If I am paying 7 or more mana for something, it needs to be very impactful. Wurmcoil Engine is pretty much the creature we would love to have as an Eldrazi. Good statline, hard to removal, prolongs the game. What I would like to see? Pay 7, 5/5 Lifelink+Flyer. Or a cheaper variation to round out our 4/5 drops more. We suffer against not being able to prolong the game against decks faster than us (unless we hit our removal) and getting something into the air would be nice.
I agree they aren't game-breaking, but I'm looking for a one of role player that I can tutor up with Conduit of Ruin. Turn 4 after casting a Conduit turn 3, with Tron or 3 Temples on the field and not enough mana to cast Ulamog or Emrakul. Currently Deceiver of Form is filling that slot for me. As you stated I truly wish Wurmcoil Engine was 7. Conduit can't fetch it, Ugin or Karn. Conduit can't fetch Smasher or Seer either. I guess I should have stated that in my question. This is basically a turn 4 play off a turn 3 Conduit with no lands in hand and I can cast a 7 or 8 (or maybe 9 if Tron is online) cmc colorless creature with the 2 mana discount from Conduit. This happens a fair amount of time in my deck. I could tutor Ulamog or Emrakul to the top of the library but with no guarantee of playing them turn 4. And since I don't run green, World Breaker is out of the equation. Sometimes I actually think that Sundering Titan may be a decent choice in that slot but since its not an Eldrazi, its an non-bo with Temple. I have played several games with 3 Temples on the board for turns 1-3.
So for this one-of I'm leaning towards Elder Deep-Fiend due to its toughness and Flash potential. Tapping down 4 lands can be very beneficial or tapping down blockers as well. I'm not recommending the card for anyone unless they may be looking for a one-of to snag with Conduit on turn 3, for a turn 4 play.
In rare situations I can play an 8 cmc Eldrazi or non-Eldrazi spell on turn 3 since I run 4Simian Spirit Guide and 3 Gemstone Caverns. That doesn't happen often but in my list it is possible.
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Thanks. I have and I've ran it before. Its just that its ability is on attack, not on cast. Getting that on cast ability is critical. And with a prevalence of Dismember in my meta, 5 toughness is a real turn off. I keep hoping for a 7 or 8 cmc colorless Eldrazi-whatever with 6 toughness an on cast ability and an Emerge cost with C in it. Doesn't look like its going to happen.
Wretched Gryff has flying and a nice on cast of drawing a card which would offset the tempo loss of putting it on top of the library with Conduit. But at 4 toughness it fails my Dismember test. Guess I need some play testing.
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I find the choice of Bottle Gnomes as a +3 SB in the first list a little strange. I do know life loss is a real thing at times. Love to hear from those 2 people if they ever check in here.
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I will definitely keep posting. I am a big fan of this deck, and I would absolutely love it if anyone else started picking it up, especially if playing a similar list to mine. I'll be playing this in 2 modern events this week so I'll let you know how it goes.
I always advocate for as many big Eldrazi as you can fit. Ulamog has a tendency to run into Path to Exile quite often, for me at least.
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Other than that match, the deck felt really good overall. Even won through a blood moon with some good draws into my Wastes in the Tooth and Nail game. All is Dust was an all star in several matches (except for Breachshift where it never showed up >_< I needed you), either causing a board wipe for my opponent to delay or outright winning the game when it is cast. Loving the deck; I really need to buy some Ghost Quarters to replace 1-2 of my utility lands so I can crack it on myself to find a Waste. Running 2 Waste in the mainboard also has been very beneficial since Blood Moon and Path to Exile are rampant.
Further thoughts; I feel like I often side out my Mimics (currently playing with 2) for my sideboard in favour of playing a longer control game but I have a feeling that it would be better to keep them and side out the Endless Ones instead. The 6&7 slot package is something that I have been mulling over awhile;
Currently I run Conduit of Ruin x2, Endbringer x1, and Deceiver of Form x1. Tempted to drop that down to Conduit of Ruin x2, and add in the x2 Mimic in the bottom slot. I win a vast majority of my games simply off Though-Knot Seer and Reality Smashers. The higher end package seems like overkill for Modern (we are already "bigger" than most decks) and don't have the options against a real control deck. It seems I am trending towards a mid-range shell for the mainboard, then sideboard options between control (when playing against decks faster than us) or aggro (when playing against decks slower than us).
Going to play against this weekend and then work towards the next version for tuning depending how I feel it goes.
I'll post up my results after FNM as well. Good luck all.
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We may get a new plaything come Monday as well.
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Had the chance to head out to a tournament during the weekend and proceeded to go 1-3 (meh). Had some pretty poor luck for most of the day (didn't win a single die roll to play) and a few close games that could have gone either way. (Overall; 1-2, 0-2, 1-2, 2-1). Random thoughts; I'll be increasing my Mimics from x2 to x4. The core of the deck has always been TKS - Reality Smashers, I rather have things that synergies with them than dropping a filler endless one at 3/3 or whatever. Also need to remind myself to announce mimic triggers for people, otherwise they don't count. Oh well, nitpicky magic is something that certain people love to play. Not my particular cup of tea, but that is the nature of the beast.
On the other note, I finally decided to order the rest of the deck online since all of the LGS I frequent doesn't seem to have any Ghost Quarters or Relics which has been frustrating. Lots of Tron/Blood Moon around so I think the Ghost Quarters are extremely important for us in both situations (stopping Tron/finding a basic for ourselves).
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Round 1 vs Infect : 2-1 - lost to blighted agent and pump spells hitting me for 12 poison all at once. Won with chalice for 1 in one game and mapping for GQ to deal with ink moth in the other.
Round 2 vs Delver : 2-0 - Spot removal and then beat down got me through both games. Didn't side in chalice in either game but probably will next time.
Round 3 vs Burn : 2-0 - Not a conventional burn build, lots of elemental's that hit for 3 and then get sacrificed at end of turn, also playing Bloodchief Ascension. Used spot removal on his swift spears and block/beat down with reshaper/smasher. Game 2 chalice for 1.
Round 4 vs U/w/r control : 2-1 Game loss cos I got too greedy and swung with smasher to force lethal the next turn, forgot about fumarole, dead on the crack back. Both wins were from reasonably long games, which was good for me. World breaker blocks restoration angle and kills colenade very well and dropping Ulamogs with chalice on 1 to shut down path is a fun play
Looking forward to testing with Emrakul, the promised end. Thinking she might be good as an alternative threat when playing against a deck running path. turn 1 map, turn 2 crack map. Turn 3 achieve Tron - play all is dust. Turn 4 play second tower and drop Emrekul for 10. Not Sure if that's better than just dropping Ulamog t4 though?
Maybe also combo with Ugin's Nexus and sanctum of Ugin to chain New Emrekuls for constant mindslaver?
Interested to see if there will be other toys for us coming over the next week.
Also got 2x Ugin, the spirit dragon on the way in the mail, maybe 1 main and 1 side?
Cheers.
4 Eldrazi Temple
4 Urza's Tower
4 Urza's Mine
4 Urza's Power Plant
3 Cavern of Souls
1 Ghost Quarter
1 Sanctum of Ugin
1 Wastes
2 Forest
Creatures: 24
4 Matter Reshaper
4 Thought-Knot Seer
4 Reality Smasher
4 Endbringer
4 Endless One
2 World Breaker
2 Ulamog, the Ceasless Hunger
2 All Is Dust
2 Dismember
2 Spatial Contortion
Artifacts: 6
4 Expedition Map
2 Ratchet Bomb
4 Chalice of the Void
2 Gut Shot
3 Relic of Progenitus
3 Warping Wail
2 Pithing Needle
1 Ratchet Bomb
If i'm not mistaken, emra would cost 11 in this scenario. In GY would only be sorc (all is dust) and artifact (map)
edit- my mistake, forgot about tribal from all is dust :/
Definitely not better than World Breakerin lists that run G, but in a strictly colorless list (like I run) I'm wondering if it might have a spot instead of say Deceiver of Form. I'm always looking for a 7,8 or 9 mana colorless creature that I can tutor with Conduit of Ruin in case I can't cast a new Ulamog or new Emrakul. I just want a 7 or 8 mana Wurmcoil Engine and it seems it isn't going to pop up this set.
Likes:
I can tutor it up with Conduit and Sanctum.
It dodges Dismember.
Taps down up to 4 permanents.
Flash could make it a nice end of opponents turn lockdown.
Dislikes:
"only" 5/6 for 8 mana
lacks any evasion
lacks lifegain or removal
Can't pay the Emerge cost in a colorless list.
Thoughts?
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Wondering if bouncing a permanent to top of opponents library may actually be better than tapping down 4 permanents. Almost like a Worldbreaker-Lite. I don't like the 4 toughness though. Dies to Dismember where Elder Deep-Fiend does not.
Thoughts?
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Our creature package has a simple vibe; good statline - powerful effects
Mimic (2) - 2/1; Can grow in power/toughness for a turn
Reshaper (3) - 3/2; Aggressive piece that can trade and replace itself
TKT (4) - 4/4; Ability to remove a card for a draw when it dies. Avoids most damage removal
Reality Smasher (5) 5/5; Haste+Trample + Soft protection against removal
6 cost flex - RoC/Endbringer; 5/5, all with some kind of added bonus
If I am paying 7 or more mana for something, it needs to be very impactful. Wurmcoil Engine is pretty much the creature we would love to have as an Eldrazi. Good statline, hard to removal, prolongs the game. What I would like to see? Pay 7, 5/5 Lifelink+Flyer. Or a cheaper variation to round out our 4/5 drops more. We suffer against not being able to prolong the game against decks faster than us (unless we hit our removal) and getting something into the air would be nice.
Here is what I'm thinking of
4x Endless One
1x Kozilek, the Great Distortion
4x Matter Reshaper
4x Reality Smasher
4x Thought-Knot Seer
2x Ulamog, the Ceaseless Hunger
2x Wurmcoil Engine
Artifact (4)
4x Expedition Map
Land (24)
4x Eldrazi Temple
3x Ghost Quarter
2x Sanctum of Ugin
1x Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth
4x Urza's Mine
4x Urza's Power Plant
4x Urza's Tower
2x Wastes
1x Karn Liberated
2x Ugin, the Spirit Dragon
Instant (8)
3x Dismember
3x Spatial Contortion
2x Warping Wail
2x All Is Dust
2x Chalice of the Void
1x Endbringer
2x Grafdigger's Cage
2x Pithing Needle
3x Ratchet Bomb
2x Relic of Progenitus
1x Warping Wail
Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
Current Decks
Standard : WB Orzhov Vampires BW GUB Sultai Constrictor BUG
Brawl : GB Hapatra, Vizier of Poisons BG
Modern : GB Golgari Elves BG GR Atarka Goblins RG
Pauper : W Heroic W GB Delve BG
I agree they aren't game-breaking, but I'm looking for a one of role player that I can tutor up with Conduit of Ruin. Turn 4 after casting a Conduit turn 3, with Tron or 3 Temples on the field and not enough mana to cast Ulamog or Emrakul. Currently Deceiver of Form is filling that slot for me. As you stated I truly wish Wurmcoil Engine was 7. Conduit can't fetch it, Ugin or Karn. Conduit can't fetch Smasher or Seer either. I guess I should have stated that in my question. This is basically a turn 4 play off a turn 3 Conduit with no lands in hand and I can cast a 7 or 8 (or maybe 9 if Tron is online) cmc colorless creature with the 2 mana discount from Conduit. This happens a fair amount of time in my deck. I could tutor Ulamog or Emrakul to the top of the library but with no guarantee of playing them turn 4. And since I don't run green, World Breaker is out of the equation. Sometimes I actually think that Sundering Titan may be a decent choice in that slot but since its not an Eldrazi, its an non-bo with Temple. I have played several games with 3 Temples on the board for turns 1-3.
So for this one-of I'm leaning towards Elder Deep-Fiend due to its toughness and Flash potential. Tapping down 4 lands can be very beneficial or tapping down blockers as well. I'm not recommending the card for anyone unless they may be looking for a one-of to snag with Conduit on turn 3, for a turn 4 play.
In rare situations I can play an 8 cmc Eldrazi or non-Eldrazi spell on turn 3 since I run 4Simian Spirit Guide and 3 Gemstone Caverns. That doesn't happen often but in my list it is possible.
Thoughts on that?
PS: I like your list Flipdipple
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Though Deceiver of Form is probably the best 7-drop option so far for this deck.
Wretched Gryff has flying and a nice on cast of drawing a card which would offset the tempo loss of putting it on top of the library with Conduit. But at 4 toughness it fails my Dismember test. Guess I need some play testing.
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I may consider Mockery of Nature as a +1 in the SB as anti-Artifact hate/tech. Just wish it was 5/6 not 6/5.
Just not sure if Elder Deep-Fiend can bump Deceiver of Form from my list. Need more play testing.
The current deck list:
2 Matter Reshaper
4 Thought-Knot Seer
4 Reality Smasher
4 Simian Spirit Guide
4 Conduit of Ruin
1 Deceiver of Form
1 Emrakul, the Promised End
1 Ulamog, the Ceaseless Hunger
4 Expedition Map
2 Oblivion Stone
2 Dismember
2 Warping Wail
1 Spatial Contortion
4 Urza's Mine
4 Urza's Tower
4 Urza's Power Plant
4 Eldrazi Temple
3 Gemstone Caverns
2 Sanctum of Ugin
1 Ghost Quarter
2 Wastes
2 Spatial Contortion
2 Ratchet Bomb
2 Relic of Progenitus
2 All is Dust
2 Pithing Needle
2 Torpor Orb
1 Void Winnower
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http://www.mtggoldfish.com/archetype/modern-eldrazi-tron-26966#paper
http://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/436927#paper
I find the choice of Bottle Gnomes as a +3 SB in the first list a little strange. I do know life loss is a real thing at times. Love to hear from those 2 people if they ever check in here.
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