I'm digging this. I'm trying to get my hands on some LtLH, glad to hear this confirmation. How many would you say is justifiable maindeck?
I'm new to this archetype so this might be a stupid question, but how good is demigod? It's something I've always wanted to play, but assumed he was suboptimal and never committed. And how has bedlam reveler been treating you?
I wouldn't play more than one copy of Liliana, the Last Hope in the main deck. She is good, and situationally amazing, but there are also times where you will drop her and she will have little-to-no impact. The one thing you cannot be afraid to do is use her minus ability. For example, I'm never afraid to Faithless Looting and discard a Kalitas or a Pia and Kiran if I am holding LtLH, because then I can simply get them back while potentially hitting a Demigod.
Demigod has been an excellent win condition for me, particularly in the area I play. There is a lot of Grixis Control, Jeskai Control and Jund in my area, and all of those decks have a seriously difficult time dealing with a recurring 5/4 Flying Haste creature. It's also great for stealing games in a very high number of situations. Many times I've played off of my back foot against a deck like Burn, Zoo, or Tokens. I'll just be trying to stabilize for 5 or 6 turns. Then suddenly, I get one turn's window of opportunity to cast one Demigod, and it triggers one or two others, and suddenly I win the game outright. Not everybody likes the card, and that's understandable if the main decks in your area are Infect, Affinity, Goryo's Vengeance, or other decks that might never allow you to get that far.
Bedlam Reveler is one of the best Game 1 cards in the entire deck. Most of the time, it will cost between 2 and 4 mana for a 3/4 Prowess that basically draws you three cards. It's almost not fair sometimes, especially if you manage to chain them. In games where I have used a Bedlam Reveler and drawn into another Bedlam Reveler off of the trigger, I've probably won 98% of those games.
The one thing you need to know with this particular list is how to sideboard. If you are playing against a deck that will be packing graveyard hate other than Surgical Extraction, then you need to board out at least one (sometimes both) copy (copies) of Bedlam Reveler, because you will never be able to resolve it through a Relic of Progenitus, as an example. Getting hit by catch-all graveyard hate, such as Relic, Bojuka Bog or Nihil Spellbomb can be rough, since you put Faithless Looting and Demigod of Revenge in the graveyard with hopes of extra utilization, Bedlam Reveler needs the fuel to be cast, and even Kolaghan's Command is weakened by losing a number of its lines of play. Beware!
I think that, if I were to play a tournament tomorrow, I would keep the main deck 59 out of 60 cards as they are now, and play the LtLH out of the sideboard. She would become a second copy of Chandra, Torch of Defiance in the main deck. With the changes, my sideboard would probably look like this:
1 Liliana of the Veil
1 Liliana, the Last Hope
1 Sulfur Elemental
2 Surgical Extraction
1 Anger of the Gods
3 Thoughtseize
3 Rakdos Charm
1 Engineered Explosives
1 To The Slaughter
1 Dreadbore
With the increase in these weird Expertise decks, and many of them playing around cheating insane cards into play, having an extra Surgical Extraction prevents the turn two Emrakul, the Aeons Torn.
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- I didn't like To the Slaughter on the sideboard. I sided it in against the Nahiris and had a bad time to do some target removals. I will replace it with Hero's Downfall, even it is 1BB.
- Liliana, the Last Hope is EVIL. I was used to play Liliana of the Veil on my 8Rack, but as @smashpackman said, it is much better having LtLH than LotV on main deck for this build. I'm always using her +1 in case I don't have to use her -2 for some reason, while with LotV, sometimes I just don't want or I can't discard a card in my hand.
- I really had a baaaaad luck on the Top 8 match. On the last game, I had to mulligan to 5 and didn't want to risk going to 4. In the end, it didn't pay off.
I want say thanks to @smashpackman for this list and for everyone in this forum. Rakdos FTW!
I thought of having 1x Dreadbore and 1x Hero's Downfall, for flexibility with Instant/Sorcery. Do you think that it is better to have 2x Dreadbore?
I will do some tests! Thanks for the input!
I thought of having 1x Dreadbore and 1x Hero's Downfall, for flexibility with Instant/Sorcery. Do you think that it is better to have 2x Dreadbore?
I will do some tests! Thanks for the input!
The instant speed doesn't really matter for destroying the planeswalker since you can't do so before your opponent activates whatever planeswalker you want to target, so sorcery speed doesn't much matter in that regard.
Also, what are the enchantments that we fear? I'm listing a Godless Shrine to be able to cast two Wear/Tear, while I don't have Engineered Explosives.
I always feared a Leyline of Sanctity, but I don't think that this is a major problem against us as it it against a mono-black 8Rack.
Big Ups on the 5-0 Finish, Doozy. Do you feel like you might be curving a little too high? Lotta 4-CMC spells. Since you're doing some hand grooming with Faithless Looting and Liliana of the Veil, would the acceleration of Simian Spirit Guide be a consideration?
Is there any reason to play this deck without Blood Moon in it? Waiting until after MM hits to pick up my set finally, been eyeing this deck for a while.
That wasn't actually my 5-0 finish, just wanted to post the list for the sake of discussion. That being said, I have been testing that list and it is of course great if you're expecting a lot of big creatures. If my local meta was filled with Affinity, Zoo, Elves, etc I would stick with Anger of the Gods main, with 1 Damnation out of the board.
I've never liked Simian in Blitzkrieg, it's great in some other Blood Moon strategies but we really can't afford the bad top decks.
Himashi, Blood Moon is really what makes this deck tick IMO. It usually neutralizes half of our opponents deck, giving us less threats to have to answer. I'm sure you could play Blitzkrieg without Moon, however I feel that it would be sub-par.
New to this thread, and I have a quick question; The title advertises itsself as a Blitzkreig-type deck, but all the lists i've seen in the last few pages seem more like midrange builds. Is there something i'm missing or has the deck just evolved that much?
Most lists have definitely evolved into a more midrange style. Most of us are focusing on controlling the game until we can quickly end it with Demigod of Revenge.
How does everyone feel about replacing Bolt with Fatal Push? I've been testing it out and found it excellent. It has only become a problem against opposing walkers, but this can be remedied with walker removal. I've been playing 4 Push, 2 Terminate, 1 Dreadbore main with 1 To The Slaughter side. Since we don't have Snapcaster, I feel like we gain more than we lose by making the switch.
I rely wish there was a way to be competitive and still play blightning, and more importantly PHYREXIAN OBLITERATOR! I mean maybe side them all in once the graveyard hate comes out post game one and smash aginst combo and eldrazi and burn? I dunno.... makes me sad is all I really loved the old school build with agressive cards and rax and stuff. Come to think of it I may create a deck that can board in to or out of both roles..... hmmmmmm. Anyone on board? Gimme a sec 2 brew....
Round1 vs Jeskai-Nahiri (0:2) to a 0:1 start
- Not a single Thoughtseize, Dreadbore, Duress or Cage anywhere
- Rats/Rabblemaster/Confidant got rekt by PtE and Bolt all the time
- Blood Moon doesn't to anything vs. Nahiri
Round2 vs Maverick (2:0) - 1:1
- Bolt, Push and Terminate for Birds, Hierarchs and Knights <3
- Rabblemaster and Moon for finish.
Round3 vs ... I don't know anymore, was a fast and clean game and easy won.
Round4 vs Jund (2:0) - 3:1
- Blood Moon T3, free win.
- Game stalls between a mixture of Kolaghans Command, Lilliana and Bob on both sides - in the end I won it with the sided in 1of Dreadbore
Since I am kinda new to this deck:
- suggestions for the sideboard? I'm not quite happy with Crumble, Revoker, Extirpate and Duress.
- thinking 'bout involving Kalitas, Traitor of Ghet somewhere vs. Kitchen Finks, Aristocrats n Stuff.
- Leyline of the Void maybe?
- I'm missing Chandra, Torch of Defiance in the 75 :x
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"From my rotting body,
flowers shall grow
and I am in them
and that is eternity."
There has been a recent meta change to decks which develop more slowly. MTGsalvation has demoted Infect and Dredge to a Tier 2 deck, and Eldrazi/Tron/RG tricksy decks are on the rise. How should we react? Ever the fan of 2-for-1 discard & X-for-1 spells, I have to wonder if a window has opened. Rather than skew towards necessary, early spot removal, how long can we wait to fire grapeshot and still maintain control? Whites of their eyes, soldiers....whites of their eyes.
The current standard bearer for Blitzkrieg is the Demigod of Revenge version played to victory by Smashpacman. The secret to its success is the synergies:
Faithless Looting is the fastest Turn 1 loot spell out there, and it filters draws as well as graveyard fills
Anger of the Gods is a monster sweeper and it doesn't conflict with a beefy creature base
Classically, the deck can cede early ground, but come raging back with motherhumpin' power. Does the design call for alterations in this new meta? Can we look at other forms of disruption that might hit higher-curving decks harder? For instance, is lightning bolt or anger of the gods as powerful as they were?
When he faced a Jeskai Nahiri deck, he wrote: "Rats/Rabblemaster/Confidant got rekt by PtE and Bolt all the time" I got to thinking about how we used to manhandle control decks: Blightning and Wrench Mind. Now, I'm not ready to look at Blightning just yet, but I hear what UJelly777 is singing about the old days. What if we hold onto the idea of Midgame creatures that can pump out hard beats and buttress up our Early game with extra discard? A turn 2 wrench mind will open the door for a turn 3 Goblin Rabblemaster.
This is what I'm looking at for a card advantage, X-for-1, Tank to hit the battlefield....
No sooner do I put my eyes back on Wrench Mind does this enchanting, little temptress coming prancing down the trail: Unburden
Is it a better version? Substitute into a 3-cmc slot with the ability to cycle it late game. Or, are we talking about a team up? 8 - Mind Rot The fact that it cycles for only 2, where so many other cards from this set cycle at a higher cost, really has me thinking. I mean, it's Fatal Push that put 2-for-1 discard discussion back on the table, and a couple Collective Brutality don't hurt.
And, c'mon, just look at that kind-faced minotaur on bended knee. Reminds me of a High School play about an industrial-age orphan boy. Be cheeky. When casting Unburden, name the pictured minotaur Oliver . If the dude struggles to select the 2nd card heading to the bin, be sure to lean forward and whisper, "More, Please."
Only enchantment I've found to be a problem was leyline, and that dodges thoughtseize. In a non blood moon build I've splashed white for wear/tear, but in a blood moon BR deck I pretty much hope they don't draw their leylines. Non leyline enchantments usually get snagged by discard/Lilly in my experience
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I wouldn't play more than one copy of Liliana, the Last Hope in the main deck. She is good, and situationally amazing, but there are also times where you will drop her and she will have little-to-no impact. The one thing you cannot be afraid to do is use her minus ability. For example, I'm never afraid to Faithless Looting and discard a Kalitas or a Pia and Kiran if I am holding LtLH, because then I can simply get them back while potentially hitting a Demigod.
Demigod has been an excellent win condition for me, particularly in the area I play. There is a lot of Grixis Control, Jeskai Control and Jund in my area, and all of those decks have a seriously difficult time dealing with a recurring 5/4 Flying Haste creature. It's also great for stealing games in a very high number of situations. Many times I've played off of my back foot against a deck like Burn, Zoo, or Tokens. I'll just be trying to stabilize for 5 or 6 turns. Then suddenly, I get one turn's window of opportunity to cast one Demigod, and it triggers one or two others, and suddenly I win the game outright. Not everybody likes the card, and that's understandable if the main decks in your area are Infect, Affinity, Goryo's Vengeance, or other decks that might never allow you to get that far.
Bedlam Reveler is one of the best Game 1 cards in the entire deck. Most of the time, it will cost between 2 and 4 mana for a 3/4 Prowess that basically draws you three cards. It's almost not fair sometimes, especially if you manage to chain them. In games where I have used a Bedlam Reveler and drawn into another Bedlam Reveler off of the trigger, I've probably won 98% of those games.
The one thing you need to know with this particular list is how to sideboard. If you are playing against a deck that will be packing graveyard hate other than Surgical Extraction, then you need to board out at least one (sometimes both) copy (copies) of Bedlam Reveler, because you will never be able to resolve it through a Relic of Progenitus, as an example. Getting hit by catch-all graveyard hate, such as Relic, Bojuka Bog or Nihil Spellbomb can be rough, since you put Faithless Looting and Demigod of Revenge in the graveyard with hopes of extra utilization, Bedlam Reveler needs the fuel to be cast, and even Kolaghan's Command is weakened by losing a number of its lines of play. Beware!
I think that, if I were to play a tournament tomorrow, I would keep the main deck 59 out of 60 cards as they are now, and play the LtLH out of the sideboard. She would become a second copy of Chandra, Torch of Defiance in the main deck. With the changes, my sideboard would probably look like this:
1 Liliana of the Veil
1 Liliana, the Last Hope
1 Sulfur Elemental
2 Surgical Extraction
1 Anger of the Gods
3 Thoughtseize
3 Rakdos Charm
1 Engineered Explosives
1 To The Slaughter
1 Dreadbore
With the increase in these weird Expertise decks, and many of them playing around cheating insane cards into play, having an extra Surgical Extraction prevents the turn two Emrakul, the Aeons Torn.
Standard: Temur Energy RUG
Pauper: Fireball Black B
Commander: Kaervek the Merciless BR
"Always Bolt the Bird."
I just played here in a GPT Chile (with 24 players) and for the first time playing with the deck, I was impressed with my result.
These were my matches:
G1: American Nahiri 1-2 (loss)
G2: Affinity (2-1)
G3: Jeskai Nahiri (2-0)
G4: Abzan Midrange (2-0)
G5: Intentional Draw (ID).
Top 8: Bant Eldrazi (1-2).
My considerations:
- I didn't like To the Slaughter on the sideboard. I sided it in against the Nahiris and had a bad time to do some target removals. I will replace it with Hero's Downfall, even it is 1BB.
- Liliana, the Last Hope is EVIL. I was used to play Liliana of the Veil on my 8Rack, but as @smashpackman said, it is much better having LtLH than LotV on main deck for this build. I'm always using her +1 in case I don't have to use her -2 for some reason, while with LotV, sometimes I just don't want or I can't discard a card in my hand.
- I really had a baaaaad luck on the Top 8 match. On the last game, I had to mulligan to 5 and didn't want to risk going to 4. In the end, it didn't pay off.
I want say thanks to @smashpackman for this list and for everyone in this forum. Rakdos FTW!
Below, the decklist that I played:
1 Graven Cairns
2 Blood Crypt
4 Polluted Delta
4 Bloodstained Mire
1 Mountain
5 Swamp
1 Smoldering Marsh
4 Blackcleave Cliffs
1 Temple of Malice
Creatures (9)
2 Bedlam Reveler
2 Kalitas, Traitor of Ghet
1 Pia and Kiran Nalaar
4 Demigod of Revenge
1 Chandra, Torch of Defiance
1 Liliana, the Last Hope
Spells (22)
3 Kolaghan's Command
1 Fatal Push
3 Anger of the Gods
3 Terminate
4 Inquisition of Kozilek
4 Faithless Looting
4 Lightning Bolt
Enchantments (4)
4 Blood Moon
2 Ghost Quarter
1 Godless Shrine
2 Rakdos Charm
2 Thoughtseize
2 Wear//Tear
1 Surgical Extraction
1 Slaughter Games
2 Liliana of the Veil
1 To the Slaughter
1 Dreadbore
I will do some tests! Thanks for the input!
The instant speed doesn't really matter for destroying the planeswalker since you can't do so before your opponent activates whatever planeswalker you want to target, so sorcery speed doesn't much matter in that regard.
Also, what are the enchantments that we fear? I'm listing a Godless Shrine to be able to cast two Wear/Tear, while I don't have Engineered Explosives.
I always feared a Leyline of Sanctity, but I don't think that this is a major problem against us as it it against a mono-black 8Rack.
Interesting choices here, but I am really digging this list. Main deck damnation over anger makes a lot of sense in the current meta.
BGX Midrange
URX Control
Big Ups on the 5-0 Finish, Doozy. Do you feel like you might be curving a little too high? Lotta 4-CMC spells. Since you're doing some hand grooming with Faithless Looting and Liliana of the Veil, would the acceleration of Simian Spirit Guide be a consideration?
I've never liked Simian in Blitzkrieg, it's great in some other Blood Moon strategies but we really can't afford the bad top decks.
Himashi, Blood Moon is really what makes this deck tick IMO. It usually neutralizes half of our opponents deck, giving us less threats to have to answer. I'm sure you could play Blitzkrieg without Moon, however I feel that it would be sub-par.
BGX Midrange
URX Control
At the very least you found your new playmat.
BGX Midrange
URX Control
Dark Side of the Moon
4 faithless looting
4 terminate
4 collective brutality
4 lily
4 blood moon
4 bloodghast
4 demigod of revenge
4 damnation
4 bloodstained mire
4 blood crypt
4 dragonskull summit
8 swamp
1 Slaughter games
2 duress
2 rakdos charm
2 khologhan's command
2 boil
2 anger of the gods
2 shattetstorm
2 stormbreath dragon
JundBGR
RW Blood MoonRW
Pauper
Delver U
Elves G
Control B
Commander
Edgar Markov BRW
Captain Sisay GW
Niv-Mizzet, Parun UR
Tymna and Ravos WB
How does everyone feel about replacing Bolt with Fatal Push? I've been testing it out and found it excellent. It has only become a problem against opposing walkers, but this can be remedied with walker removal. I've been playing 4 Push, 2 Terminate, 1 Dreadbore main with 1 To The Slaughter side. Since we don't have Snapcaster, I feel like we gain more than we lose by making the switch.
BGX Midrange
URX Control
https://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/601783#paper
4 Dark Confidant
4 Goblin Rabblemaster
4 Pack Rat
Moon x3:
3 Blood Moon
Spells x20:
4 Fatal Push
4 Terminate
2 Kolaghan's Command
4 Lightning Bolt
4 Inquisition of Kozilek
2 Thoughtseize
1 Mountain
3 Swamp
4 Blackcleave Cliffs
2 Blood Crypt
4 Bloodstained Mire
2 Marsh Flats
3 Mutavault
4 Polluted Delta
Walker:
2 Liliana of the Veil
2 Grafdigger's Cage
1 Dreadbore
2 Extirpate
2 Anger of the Gods
3 Crumble to Dust
1 Damnation
3 Duress
1 Phyrexian Revoker
Round1 vs Jeskai-Nahiri (0:2) to a 0:1 start
- Not a single Thoughtseize, Dreadbore, Duress or Cage anywhere
- Rats/Rabblemaster/Confidant got rekt by PtE and Bolt all the time
- Blood Moon doesn't to anything vs. Nahiri
Round2 vs Maverick (2:0) - 1:1
- Bolt, Push and Terminate for Birds, Hierarchs and Knights <3
- Rabblemaster and Moon for finish.
Round3 vs ... I don't know anymore, was a fast and clean game and easy won.
Round4 vs Jund (2:0) - 3:1
- Blood Moon T3, free win.
- Game stalls between a mixture of Kolaghans Command, Lilliana and Bob on both sides - in the end I won it with the sided in 1of Dreadbore
Since I am kinda new to this deck:
- suggestions for the sideboard? I'm not quite happy with Crumble, Revoker, Extirpate and Duress.
- thinking 'bout involving Kalitas, Traitor of Ghet somewhere vs. Kitchen Finks, Aristocrats n Stuff.
- Leyline of the Void maybe?
- I'm missing Chandra, Torch of Defiance in the 75 :x
flowers shall grow
and I am in them
and that is eternity."
There has been a recent meta change to decks which develop more slowly. MTGsalvation has demoted Infect and Dredge to a Tier 2 deck, and Eldrazi/Tron/RG tricksy decks are on the rise. How should we react? Ever the fan of 2-for-1 discard & X-for-1 spells, I have to wonder if a window has opened. Rather than skew towards necessary, early spot removal, how long can we wait to fire grapeshot and still maintain control? Whites of their eyes, soldiers....whites of their eyes.
The current standard bearer for Blitzkrieg is the Demigod of Revenge version played to victory by Smashpacman. The secret to its success is the synergies:
- Faithless Looting is the fastest Turn 1 loot spell out there, and it filters draws as well as graveyard fills
- Anger of the Gods is a monster sweeper and it doesn't conflict with a beefy creature base
- Speaking of bully-titted creatures, Bedlam Reveler and Kalitas, Traitor of Ghet present multi-tiered threats
Classically, the deck can cede early ground, but come raging back with motherhumpin' power. Does the design call for alterations in this new meta? Can we look at other forms of disruption that might hit higher-curving decks harder? For instance, is lightning bolt or anger of the gods as powerful as they were?Card Spotlight: Wrench Mind
I look at this card through the perspective of Midn8walker's build.
4 Dark Confidant
4 Goblin Rabblemaster
4 Pack Rat
Moon x3:
3 Blood Moon
Spells x20:
4 Fatal Push
4 Terminate
2 Kolaghan's Command
4 Lightning Bolt
4 Inquisition of Kozilek
2 Thoughtseize
1 Mountain
3 Swamp
4 Blackcleave Cliffs
2 Blood Crypt
4 Bloodstained Mire
2 Marsh Flats
3 Mutavault
4 Polluted Delta
Walker:
2 Liliana of the Veil
2 Grafdigger's Cage
1 Dreadbore
2 Extirpate
2 Anger of the Gods
3 Crumble to Dust
1 Damnation
3 Duress
1 Phyrexian Revoker
When he faced a Jeskai Nahiri deck, he wrote: "Rats/Rabblemaster/Confidant got rekt by PtE and Bolt all the time" I got to thinking about how we used to manhandle control decks: Blightning and Wrench Mind. Now, I'm not ready to look at Blightning just yet, but I hear what UJelly777 is singing about the old days. What if we hold onto the idea of Midgame creatures that can pump out hard beats and buttress up our Early game with extra discard? A turn 2 wrench mind will open the door for a turn 3 Goblin Rabblemaster.
This is what I'm looking at for a card advantage, X-for-1, Tank to hit the battlefield....
4 Goblin Rabblemaster
3 Pia and Kiran Nalaar
1 Pack Rat
Planeswalkers (4)
1 Liliana of the Veil
1 Liliana, the Last Hope
2 Chandra, Torch of Defiance
Removal (8)
4 Terminate
1 Dreadbore
2 Lightning Bolt
1 Fatal Push
Discard (12)
4 Wrench Mind
3 Inquisition of Kozilek
2 Thoughtseize
2 Kolaghan's Command
1 Collective Brutality
2 Blood Moon
2 Ensnaring Bridge
Acceleration (1)
1 Night's Whisper
Land (23)
9 Swamp
3 Blood Crypt
2 Dragonskull Summit
2 Lavaclaw Reaches
3 Bloodstained Mire
3 Blackcleave Cliffs
1 Ghost Quarter
1 Blood Moon
1 Ratchet Bomb
1 Engineered Explosives
2 Kalitas, Traitor of Ghet
2 Nihil Spellbomb
1 Dreadbore
2 Anger of the Gods
1 Surgical Extraction
2 Grafdigger's Cage
1 Nezumi Shortfang
https://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/visual/601783
No sooner do I put my eyes back on Wrench Mind does this enchanting, little temptress coming prancing down the trail: Unburden
Is it a better version? Substitute into a 3-cmc slot with the ability to cycle it late game. Or, are we talking about a team up? 8 - Mind Rot The fact that it cycles for only 2, where so many other cards from this set cycle at a higher cost, really has me thinking. I mean, it's Fatal Push that put 2-for-1 discard discussion back on the table, and a couple Collective Brutality don't hurt.
And, c'mon, just look at that kind-faced minotaur on bended knee. Reminds me of a High School play about an industrial-age orphan boy. Be cheeky. When casting Unburden, name the pictured minotaur Oliver
JundBGR
RW Blood MoonRW
Pauper
Delver U
Elves G
Control B
Commander
Edgar Markov BRW
Captain Sisay GW
Niv-Mizzet, Parun UR
Tymna and Ravos WB