Hey, nice results. What do you think are the good/bad matchups of this deck?
My locan fnm is flooded with BGx midrange. So I'm looking for something decent against those.
Also, why Saheeli Rai in the sideboard?
I have found Bedlam Reveler to be an absolute house against GBx decks. If you resolve one you are highly favored to win. Like EncaliburMTG said above, he avoids Inquisition, avoids Fatal Push, can't be bolted and with one spell is often big enough to fight most goyfs. I have had a ton of luck with Saheeli Rai in combination with Bedlam Reveler in the late game. Copying a reveler is amazing and just buries the opponent with card advantage. I actually play Saheeli in the main board because she is really good no matter if your ahead or behind. She filters our draws if ahead and/or copies a threat. If we get to the late game she can copy a snapcaster mage or bedlam reveler to really push us ahead in the game. Encalibur's reasoning may be different, but I wanted to share mine.
With that said your main deck has to be somewhat aggressive to support multiple Reveler's and the deck has to include several cantrips (I play 8 total- 4 serum visions, 2 sleight of hand, 2 slip through space). I do think even if your playing a slightly slower list you should still give one reveler a try even if it's just in the sideboard. I really think the card is the single most underplayed card in modern right now.
It comes out one mana / one turn-ish earlier than Reveler and has a much better body, but it doesn't refill your hand (or empty it :P). I know most decks don't want more than ~3 copies of Reveler at most -- would URx Prowess run both of these, or is there only room for one for this type of card? If so, which?
It comes out one mana / one turn-ish earlier than Reveler and has a much better body, but it doesn't refill your hand (or empty it :P). I know most decks don't want more than ~3 copies of Reveler at most -- would URx Prowess run both of these, or is there only room for one for this type of card? If so, which?
Good assessment. I think I still prefer Bedlam Reveler I think because the card advantage is such a huge deal in my deck. I obviously haven't tested this card, however it's going to be tough to beat reveler. I currently play two reveler. I will try this guy, but I do think that reveler is still going to keep his spot. My deck is a bit more red based than most so people who play decks that don't play as much red and can't reliably hit RR may like this guy better.
I do think that a URx prowess deck that is really concentrated on prowess would run both Cryptic Serpent and and Bedlam Reveler. I will definitely be building a brew to try to utilize both of them.
wow, hits with fetch lands, cycling artifacts that Tron likes to use, Tasigur, celestial colonnade, geeze la weeze thats crazy lol such low cmc! 2 mana... 2 cost... does well with the new Dusk // Dawn, was thinking of running it in my Geist deck.
also partners well with ojutai's command!
*also will test that new blue guy as a 1 of, possibly 2 of
wow, hits with fetch lands, cycling artifacts that Tron likes to use, Tasigur, celestial colonnade, geeze la weeze thats crazy lol such low cmc! 2 mana... 2 cost... does well with the new Dusk // Dawn, was thinking of running it in my Geist deck.
also partners well with ojutai's command!
*also will test that new blue guy as a 1 of, possibly 2 of
That card is super interesting. I love this card. I have a feeling this is going to be rather expensive very quickly. Thank god it's not mythic. I can definitely see it being a great sideboard option for us. I may have to switch out a fetch for another fast land as well :). It will be interesting to see if he is applicable as he first sounds. He would be great against tron when they are searching for tron lands with artifacts, but fairly poor after that, he would be great against affinity in the early game as well. I really there was an extremely playable card like this that hit valakut and lightning storm triggers.
I assume this guy will be a modern sideboard staple and might make the burn maindecks. I do think he can be built into a red "hate" deck as well. It will be interesting to see if a RW hatebears deck pops up with thalia, harsh mentor, and other hate bear style cards.
As for our deck, or mine specifically I will test it as a sideboard option for now and possibly see if it would work in the maindeck. I really want to make a "Mentor" deck with this guy and Monastery Mentor.
A "fixed" Spellheart Chimera that trades Trample for that crucial 4th point of toughness. Worth running in any builds here as a finisher? This could easily be 3 for a 5/4 flier. Might synergize with builds running Thoughtscour, Smuggler's Copter, and Reveler (depending upon how soft you want to be to gravehate).
A "fixed" Spellheart Chimera that trades Trample for that crucial 4th point of toughness. Worth running in any builds here as a finisher? This could easily be 3 for a 5/4 flier. Might synergize with builds running Thoughtscour and Reveler.
A "fixed" Spellheart Chimera that trades Trample for that crucial 4th point of toughness. Worth running in any builds here as a finisher? This could easily be 3 for a 5/4 flier. Might synergize with builds running Thoughtscour, Smuggler's Copter, and Reveler (depending upon how soft you want to be to gravehate).
This has been a very confusing last couple of days :). First there was Soul-Scour Mage that could potentially be Swiftspear's 4-8 if you wanted that type of thing (really 4-6), then I thought I would give the new cryptic serpent a try as a one of, then the harsh mentor was spoiled and I was trying to figure out if he deserved a sideboard slot, and now this. I love spoiler week season! I think for starters I am going to give the drake a try as a one of and go from there. I was playing two soul scour mage and will probably take them out for the last swiftspear and a drake.
I can't tell you guys how satisfying it was to attack with SSM and getting it blocked by thought knot seer and bolting it, drawing a card. The same thing with goyfs, the way jund has to play around this little dude is really insane, I really recommend testing him out yourself, you will not regret it.
That sounds really nice indeed!
Could your please post the decklist you used (including the proxys)?
I just checked and it was in February when I decided to cut my Swiftspear playset from my deck. My reasoning was that they have two weaknesses: they get hit by cheap removal like Fatal Push and they get outclassed quickly by other creatures and can't attack profitably. SSM just doesn't have this second weakness and I am going to try him as a playset instead of Swiftspears in my deck. He seems to harmonize perfectly with Geist. If your opponent has a 3/4 or even a 4/5 Goyf and you have Geist and Bolt in hand it wasn't possible to attack with Geist...until now. Now we bolt the Goyf and Geist faces a 0/1 or 1/2 blocker. This is so sweet in theory. Let's test it.
You guys bring up some great points and it sounds like we are all coming to the same conclusions at the same time.
After testing all three (SSM, Cryptic Serpent, and Enigma Drake) I found that SSM fit my deck the best. I am running two copies right now. The Ranger of Eos teck is sweet Mazeron! I hadn't thought of that yet. I am definitely going to give that a try.
I tend to agree with Dennis and others after testing that Enigma just doesn't cut it. The serpent tested much better, but with two bedlam reveler already in my deck I didn't want to become too dependent on the graveyard for my late game plays.
To be honest, these new cards give us so many ways we can brew. We can do something super spell based like the deck Stevo provided and/or go a little more late game with cryptic serpent. After all of these cool spoilers the only thing that changed so far in my deck is adding two SSM to the main deck (cutting one swiftspear and land). I have gone down to 18 lands and 60 cards instead of 19 lands and 61. I found that I was flooding a bit to often and I can win games easily with only 2-3 lands in play.
I would love to see what you are currently running Mazeron. As soon as I get a little more testing in I will post my new list. I have my fingers crossed for Opt tomorrow on the common/uncommon dump and then it would truly be magical Christmas land for us!
Great post Mazeron. I couldn't agree more about diversifying your threats. Geist always ends up surprising the opponent and has one numerous games where no other threat would win. The deck I am running is a it more aggressive than yours. In place of the copters, clique, and lavamancer I have three swiftspears and a saheeli rai. My top end is Bedlam Reveler so I have a few more spells. I try to keep my spell count around 26 or so spells to flip my delvers consistently ,but really anything between 24-28 doesn't make a large amount of difference (like 1%-2% which is negligible over a short span).
My deck functions a ton better when I have a turn 1 threat. That's why I think I like soul-scour mage so much. It's like having a 5th copy of swiftspear but also adding a little more game against creature decks. I am currently running 3 swiftspear and 2 soul scour mage. I also agree that the deck is starting to feel very smooth lately. My draws are feeling very consistent and I think most of us have found a sweet spot for out style of deck. I also think the deck is super well positioned right now. There is no true aggro-control/tempo deck in the format and the meta is rip for one to dominate.
I think Cryptic fits wonderfully in your deck. You can switch into a more controlling midrange style deck and cryptic would be bananas in that style of deck. I too am working on my sideboard lately. I have found that spell pierce is likely better in the sideboard so I am going to send it to the board. I really wanted there to be a good cycling counter spell because it would work so well with reveler, snap, lavamancer, etc. I will give Censor a try, but I am not holding out hope for it.
Existenz- I don't think that is a terrible idea at all. I am currently running two copies of Slip Through Space and you could run consuming fervor as a similar card. I like an aggressive game plan in game one and having the possibly to side into more of a tempo deck in games 2 and 3
I'll try this configuration with Soul-Scar Mage. Similar to Mazeron's deck but a bit different. Unfortunately I have nobody to test with proxies so I'll need to wait until Xmage gets updated with the Amonkhet cards. Looking forward to test with this
@Mazereon: Stony Silence is the only card in my SB that never left it since 2013 and it is one of the few cards I think are worth more than 1 slot in my SB. It is your best chance against Affinity but you also need it against Tron (where you want it on turn 2 to stop their cantrips) and against Ad Nauseum to slow them down. In addition it stops decks like Lantern Control, KCI/Eggs, Puresteel Combo/Cheerios, Tezzeret Thopter...
Affinity is not strong because they have lots of x/1s. It wins because it has Overseer who makes them all real big, or it wins with Plating, or it wins because it has two Ravagers who dodge your removal--all these problems are stopped by Stony Silence
@Mazereon: 2 x Stony Silence is still in my sideboard. It is too useful because it blanks out many fringe and popular decks as StevomatUWR mentioned.
although my sideboard has some overlap (wear//tear) it doesn't hurt.
i have been wondering about the Tron match-up and want to test 4 x Ghost Quarter + Surgical Extraction package. When I can get a test game in, i will update yo guys on it.
For the curious, my sideboard generally looks like this:
Played UW midrange/control for a long while and tested out 4 ghost quarter + 3 surgical extensively with tron. It's hard enough in a 2-coloured control deck to dedicate 4 colourless lands that put us one land back + and instant that only disrupts and don't pressure... I'm not confident it'd work for jeskai aggro/midrange. With eldrazi tron the new tron flavour of the day, they'd still ramp up to beaters without tron lands, or get tron when you hit temple. I feel it'd be more useful to use the first three mana to set the board up to race, and hope to hit a Crumble to Dust on the forth land.
@Mazereon: Ditto! Love this deck's flex. I have a 480 binder nearly full with possibilities for jeskai prowess and change it up to suit mood and flavour of the day. Buddies pick up my deck and shake their heads and is aghast at how it wins games. The pilot wins games! this deck just makes the piloting part fun. It's my one modern deck that's personal and competitive all at the same time
Private Mod Note
():
Rollback Post to RevisionRollBack
To post a comment, please login or register a new account.
I have found Bedlam Reveler to be an absolute house against GBx decks. If you resolve one you are highly favored to win. Like EncaliburMTG said above, he avoids Inquisition, avoids Fatal Push, can't be bolted and with one spell is often big enough to fight most goyfs. I have had a ton of luck with Saheeli Rai in combination with Bedlam Reveler in the late game. Copying a reveler is amazing and just buries the opponent with card advantage. I actually play Saheeli in the main board because she is really good no matter if your ahead or behind. She filters our draws if ahead and/or copies a threat. If we get to the late game she can copy a snapcaster mage or bedlam reveler to really push us ahead in the game. Encalibur's reasoning may be different, but I wanted to share mine.
With that said your main deck has to be somewhat aggressive to support multiple Reveler's and the deck has to include several cantrips (I play 8 total- 4 serum visions, 2 sleight of hand, 2 slip through space). I do think even if your playing a slightly slower list you should still give one reveler a try even if it's just in the sideboard. I really think the card is the single most underplayed card in modern right now.
As for the sideboard, Gideon, Ally of Zendikar is great against GBx. I also play a Celestial Purge which I often side in against Abzan, Jund, and Grixis.
Just got spoiled! So, might this be our Tasigur?
Wow. Your exactly right. Looks like a great blue Tasigur to me. Really awesome and I will definitely be testing that one
Good assessment. I think I still prefer Bedlam Reveler I think because the card advantage is such a huge deal in my deck. I obviously haven't tested this card, however it's going to be tough to beat reveler. I currently play two reveler. I will try this guy, but I do think that reveler is still going to keep his spot. My deck is a bit more red based than most so people who play decks that don't play as much red and can't reliably hit RR may like this guy better.
Active thread contributor of Jeskai Prowess Tempo
Active thread contributor of Jeskai Prowess Tempo
wow, hits with fetch lands, cycling artifacts that Tron likes to use, Tasigur, celestial colonnade, geeze la weeze thats crazy lol such low cmc! 2 mana... 2 cost... does well with the new Dusk // Dawn, was thinking of running it in my Geist deck.
also partners well with ojutai's command!
*also will test that new blue guy as a 1 of, possibly 2 of
Thanks you very much DarkNightCavalier for the Sig.
That card is super interesting. I love this card. I have a feeling this is going to be rather expensive very quickly. Thank god it's not mythic. I can definitely see it being a great sideboard option for us. I may have to switch out a fetch for another fast land as well :). It will be interesting to see if he is applicable as he first sounds. He would be great against tron when they are searching for tron lands with artifacts, but fairly poor after that, he would be great against affinity in the early game as well. I really there was an extremely playable card like this that hit valakut and lightning storm triggers.
I assume this guy will be a modern sideboard staple and might make the burn maindecks. I do think he can be built into a red "hate" deck as well. It will be interesting to see if a RW hatebears deck pops up with thalia, harsh mentor, and other hate bear style cards.
As for our deck, or mine specifically I will test it as a sideboard option for now and possibly see if it would work in the maindeck. I really want to make a "Mentor" deck with this guy and Monastery Mentor.
A "fixed" Spellheart Chimera that trades Trample for that crucial 4th point of toughness. Worth running in any builds here as a finisher? This could easily be 3 for a 5/4 flier. Might synergize with builds running Thoughtscour, Smuggler's Copter, and Reveler (depending upon how soft you want to be to gravehate).
I'm actually quite interested in this...
Spellheart Chimera was a no go because of 3-toughness...but at 4 it could potentially be good.
EDIT
Apologies ShelDell...hadn't refreshed page
This has been a very confusing last couple of days :). First there was Soul-Scour Mage that could potentially be Swiftspear's 4-8 if you wanted that type of thing (really 4-6), then I thought I would give the new cryptic serpent a try as a one of, then the harsh mentor was spoiled and I was trying to figure out if he deserved a sideboard slot, and now this. I love spoiler week season! I think for starters I am going to give the drake a try as a one of and go from there. I was playing two soul scour mage and will probably take them out for the last swiftspear and a drake.
But in all seriousness, that card is pretty good.
Active thread contributor of Jeskai Prowess Tempo
19 lands
4x Swiftspear
4x Snappy
4x Stormchaser
3x Enigma Drake
2x Bedlam Reveler
4x Clout of the Dominus
4x Mutagenic Growth
4x Manamorphose
4x Serum Visions
4x Lightning Bolt
4x Vapor Snag
(and Inquisition of Kozilek).
Cryptic Serpent also plays much better with counterspells than Bedlam Reveler since you don't have to discard your hand when you cast it.
Clout of the Dominus is a pretty bad card (unless you play only hybrid u/r creatures and don't want to target them).
It pairs pretty well with Nivmagus Elemental (very good with Mutagenic Growth) and Nivix Cyclops (Wee Dragonauts).
That sounds really nice indeed!
Could your please post the decklist you used (including the proxys)?
I just checked and it was in February when I decided to cut my Swiftspear playset from my deck. My reasoning was that they have two weaknesses: they get hit by cheap removal like Fatal Push and they get outclassed quickly by other creatures and can't attack profitably. SSM just doesn't have this second weakness and I am going to try him as a playset instead of Swiftspears in my deck. He seems to harmonize perfectly with Geist. If your opponent has a 3/4 or even a 4/5 Goyf and you have Geist and Bolt in hand it wasn't possible to attack with Geist...until now. Now we bolt the Goyf and Geist faces a 0/1 or 1/2 blocker. This is so sweet in theory. Let's test it.
After testing all three (SSM, Cryptic Serpent, and Enigma Drake) I found that SSM fit my deck the best. I am running two copies right now. The Ranger of Eos teck is sweet Mazeron! I hadn't thought of that yet. I am definitely going to give that a try.
I tend to agree with Dennis and others after testing that Enigma just doesn't cut it. The serpent tested much better, but with two bedlam reveler already in my deck I didn't want to become too dependent on the graveyard for my late game plays.
To be honest, these new cards give us so many ways we can brew. We can do something super spell based like the deck Stevo provided and/or go a little more late game with cryptic serpent. After all of these cool spoilers the only thing that changed so far in my deck is adding two SSM to the main deck (cutting one swiftspear and land). I have gone down to 18 lands and 60 cards instead of 19 lands and 61. I found that I was flooding a bit to often and I can win games easily with only 2-3 lands in play.
I would love to see what you are currently running Mazeron. As soon as I get a little more testing in I will post my new list. I have my fingers crossed for Opt tomorrow on the common/uncommon dump and then it would truly be magical Christmas land for us!
My deck functions a ton better when I have a turn 1 threat. That's why I think I like soul-scour mage so much. It's like having a 5th copy of swiftspear but also adding a little more game against creature decks. I am currently running 3 swiftspear and 2 soul scour mage. I also agree that the deck is starting to feel very smooth lately. My draws are feeling very consistent and I think most of us have found a sweet spot for out style of deck. I also think the deck is super well positioned right now. There is no true aggro-control/tempo deck in the format and the meta is rip for one to dominate.
I think Cryptic fits wonderfully in your deck. You can switch into a more controlling midrange style deck and cryptic would be bananas in that style of deck. I too am working on my sideboard lately. I have found that spell pierce is likely better in the sideboard so I am going to send it to the board. I really wanted there to be a good cycling counter spell because it would work so well with reveler, snap, lavamancer, etc. I will give Censor a try, but I am not holding out hope for it.
Existenz- I don't think that is a terrible idea at all. I am currently running two copies of Slip Through Space and you could run consuming fervor as a similar card. I like an aggressive game plan in game one and having the possibly to side into more of a tempo deck in games 2 and 3
Affinity is not strong because they have lots of x/1s. It wins because it has Overseer who makes them all real big, or it wins with Plating, or it wins because it has two Ravagers who dodge your removal--all these problems are stopped by Stony Silence
although my sideboard has some overlap (wear//tear) it doesn't hurt.
i have been wondering about the Tron match-up and want to test 4 x Ghost Quarter + Surgical Extraction package. When I can get a test game in, i will update yo guys on it.
For the curious, my sideboard generally looks like this:
1 Wear / Tear
3 Surgical Extraction
1 Deflecting Palm
1 Izzet Staticaster
1 Lightning Helix
1 Path to Exile
1 Deprive
and 4 flex spots which i might use for 4 x Ghost Quarter
Active thread contributor of Jeskai Prowess Tempo
@Mazereon: Ditto! Love this deck's flex. I have a 480 binder nearly full with possibilities for jeskai prowess and change it up to suit mood and flavour of the day. Buddies pick up my deck and shake their heads and is aghast at how it wins games. The pilot wins games! this deck just makes the piloting part fun. It's my one modern deck that's personal and competitive all at the same time