There's a guy on YouTube who plays a mono white version. His name is T1Glistenerelf
Hi! T1GlistenerElf here. That list of mine was old indeed, but aspects of it are still as strong as ever. Isochron Scepter is super solid with all of the fogs that are in there now, although it becomes less good if Kolaghan's Command starts making its way back into mainboards en masse again. Between that and Abrupt Decay, it becomes super risky to play the Scepter against Jund. Beyond that, Riot Control and Safe Passage provide mainboard burn (and sometimes combo) hate, although neither fits on the Scepter. Lastly, against most decks, both Gideon and Elspeth, Sun's Champion are better win-cons, with the former almost acting as an Upheaval-style card that lets you keep a planeswalker and the latter being able to enter without fog backup due to either the three tokens or the wrath. (Usually, one or the other will keep her alive.)
Obviously, if you can make it Azorius, then do it. Ancestral Vision is huge in this kind of deck, Sphinx's Tutelage is a legitimate win-con, and Narset, Transcendant can get you a card better than every other turn, in addition to all of the reasons that were given for white alone.
I hadn't even thought about putting in Elspeth as a win con... I love her and have always wanted to play a deck that could really use her. Maybe a two of in a deck like UW Fog?
Yeah... I love Gideon, champion as a secondary win con. And he's able to swing after we wrath. As for elspeth, 2-3 feels right. I ran 3 Gideon for awhile.
The idea behind Narset is that, with zero creatures in the deck, she is highly likely to keep fogs coming into your hand. She is not, however, a win-con in and of herself. Maybe sideboard versus control, I suppose, especially now that Thopter+Sword is back.
I feel like we will pray on thopter sword. It seems like an easy win since they won't get through and in my Esper list I can just run illness in the ranks (but do we really need it) . I've mentioned narset in the past and I think she would be good if control picks up now that it has visions back but visions may also be too slow for them. By the time it comes off suspend, they could be dead. (Not against us of course)
Well, I got a pair of Elspeths today. I am very hopeful that she will fit into my list. Here is my current list that I will be playing with for awhile. http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/azorius-turbo-fog-3/ I have been really enjoying the Fog Life. Also, I started to stream a little on Mtgo with the Budget Magic list. It went very well! I think with Leylines in the deck it will be very strong.
Nice. Good to see that it's proving itself finally. I personally still don't care for snaps. He's an amazing creature do the get me wrong but I feel like this isn't the deck where hes good. I'd rather just play other fogs but he works when you run counterspells. This list seems more superfriends style. And I wonder how it ran with the lack of turbo pieces, 25 lands, 61 card deck, and lots of high drops. Must not have faced much control because dropping 5 mana into them just to have them countered would suck. But great job showing that the deck has potential
Only problem now is will ppl start trying to play turbofog and will we see cards against us eventually. I know 1 time doesn't mean much but those who see it in the top 8 may try it out and who knows
I have a question for all of you there... I played the deck a lot since the two last weeks against a lot of matchup.... but the matchup I still have a lot of difficulty with is Burn. even with LoS on the field... A resolved Eidolon is pretty much game over ... so any tips on the matchup?
LoS g1 makes it come down to eidolon. The best thing against him in my main is elixir and verdict. After that, sb comes in and I've got o-ring and Detention sphere. The best thing I've tried and it will help a little if you run 4 and get them often enough is rest for the Weary. I'd say if he's that big of a problem in your meta, counterspells or ways to remove him from their hand, library, and grave. Otherwise just hope to avoid burn in general. If you're running black, infinite obliteration and cards of the like can do it as long as they don't have an opening hand with one or get it into play before you cast this kind of card. You can also play stuff like nevermore. It really depends on what colors you are running but g1 can be hard. I'd say sb you need 15 cards that hate out burn and tron.
From testing Tron is not that hard beside G 1.. Pithing Needle does it job against Tron... Wurmcoil is not that a problem... only version I've problem with is an Emrakul one
And thanks for the answer... I will think about adding O-ring or Detention sphere.. but I'm more about Detention Sphere if the "f******" have two one the field.. And yeah my meta is full of Naya and Mono-Red Burn.. With a 15 man LGS tourney each week.. there is like 3-4 playing burn all of them with Eidolon..
Can I ask if anyone has boarded in Sanctimony ? With a set of main deck Leyines and a couple of Runed Halos on Eidolon the burn issues this deck is supposed to have might be negated. I have experience of the former in a lot of decks from Loam Pox to Pillow Forts. It really does gain a fair chunk of life, and triggers on tapping for mana so that anti-lifegain spells have to be paid for and you still gain some life.
On the janky side of things Personal Sanctuary to keep them off your back in your turn. Peace of Mind main deck on spare lands could work from main, especially if there is a hard lock fog engine with a Kami (a la Martyr Proc). Apologies if these have been raised before.
You would need multiple needles bc anything we use against ugin/karn can be destroyed by o-stone unless we get a needle on it as well. They just have multiple threats/different ways to beat us that need different answers. Wurmcoil is the least threatening. Karn/ugin need needle but o-stone beat needle. It's inevitable that they will draw all 3 so we would need to draw our needles for each of them. Then there's emmy so we would need a way to deal with that too. Without eye, maybe they will not run emmy much but who knows
Thanks for your answer on burn.
I know you have suggested nevermore for the tron. Obviously tron is a royal pain for every interesting deck in the format that wants to play a prison game, and is especially noxious with Ulamog's on exile casting trigger. Unless you are a landkill prison deck Tron seems to be a big barrier to innovative decks.
If you have a counters coming in, could a transformational board of Zur's Weirding/Peace of Mind lock work, exchanging for main deck fogs? Their cards that remove things are at a relatively low ratio given all their cantrips - 2 ugins, 3 o-stones, 4 karn and ulamog remove things, main, 3 nature's claim side....about 1/6-1/5th of the deck max- 10-`13 cards- or in other words 20-26 life of Zur's payments. Once POM and Zurs hit, there may only be one thing in hand needing countering, then just pay life on their removal spells/ulamog. Peace of Mind means each of our cards drawn denying them 1.5 cards. Its an unusual idea, but one that could work. Given the ease of critter based matches lacking counterspells, a 10 card sideboard for this type of deck, which would overlap with Burn (Peace of Mind), may be the answer.
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You can still Negate their Karn Ugin if you know they are casting it this turn or I'm wrong? Most of the players with Karn or Ugin cast them when they have the mana for them...I don't mind playing a slower game against Tron ..Fog has almost no use against them .. So maybe board like 7 fogs out? +4 Negate +3 Pithing Needle... I'm running 4 Mainboard Ghost Quarter too just so you know. If I see Emrakul I'm boarding out my 2 Supreme Verdict for some Relic or Tormod Crypt.. I don't like boarding out too much fog, but maybe against Tron I can do it...
Yes, that was my point really. You carry enough counters to keep one or two things off. So after that you need a mechanism of keeping their limited number of danger (removal) cards down, as that is one deck where fogs are poor and can be boarded out in some number.
I know from pillow fort and other lockdown decks that locking Tron out with just permanents is hard- needles, stony, rule of laws and nevermores are only one kill card away from them being at full capacity again, hence my suggestion of Zur's Weirding which is one of the few that work and protect themselves.
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Zur's is ok. I don't like that it's turn 4. If they tron turn 3, weirding comes out too late bc there's not a ton we can do once it's out outside of needle or o-ring type cards
Its not perfect, absolutely. You would need to board in 5/6 counters (as well as, say, 3 Weirdings) to stop the t3 Karn plays. Its not perfect, and requires you to have counters as many counters in hand as they have removal/threat cards at the time you cast weirding.
I don't know how well it would work, I do know I have never seen a deck lock Tron out forever with just non critter permanents in any prison deck-they always win the war, especially if they diversify to run all is dust singletons in addition to the uginx2 , o stone x3-4, 2 ulamog's and inevitable 3 nature's claim. I have seen them been locked out for a while and then died to an enormous combo play, and I have seen them been locked out forever when some landkill has come in or is present naturally, but a combination of needles, stony silence, orings, suppression fields, nevermore and rule of law/eidolon effects I have never seen cut it in a variety of decks laden with them. All they need is one piece of removal that has not been Nevermored or Needled and suddenly the Needle or Stony bites it and they start blowing stuff up. Now that Ulamog's cast trigger is about I have even seen one wriggle out of an Enduring ideal deck where there was a resolved Enduring ideal fetching Dovescape with a Stony Silence and friends down. The damn deck has just so much inevitability and so much removal. It is such a shame because otherwise Turbo Fog is really well-placed as a prison-ish deck that has a lovely customisable and consistent mix of permanents and spell power. Shame they did not nerf tron more......)
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Hi! T1GlistenerElf here. That list of mine was old indeed, but aspects of it are still as strong as ever. Isochron Scepter is super solid with all of the fogs that are in there now, although it becomes less good if Kolaghan's Command starts making its way back into mainboards en masse again. Between that and Abrupt Decay, it becomes super risky to play the Scepter against Jund. Beyond that, Riot Control and Safe Passage provide mainboard burn (and sometimes combo) hate, although neither fits on the Scepter. Lastly, against most decks, both Gideon and Elspeth, Sun's Champion are better win-cons, with the former almost acting as an Upheaval-style card that lets you keep a planeswalker and the latter being able to enter without fog backup due to either the three tokens or the wrath. (Usually, one or the other will keep her alive.)
Obviously, if you can make it Azorius, then do it. Ancestral Vision is huge in this kind of deck, Sphinx's Tutelage is a legitimate win-con, and Narset, Transcendant can get you a card better than every other turn, in addition to all of the reasons that were given for white alone.
Those are the other top 8 decks. http://www.mtggoldfish.com/tournament/scg-modern-iq-lexington-2016-03-26#online
Only problem now is will ppl start trying to play turbofog and will we see cards against us eventually. I know 1 time doesn't mean much but those who see it in the top 8 may try it out and who knows
And thanks for the answer... I will think about adding O-ring or Detention sphere.. but I'm more about Detention Sphere if the "f******" have two one the field.. And yeah my meta is full of Naya and Mono-Red Burn.. With a 15 man LGS tourney each week.. there is like 3-4 playing burn all of them with Eidolon..
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/04-04-16-nrr-tutelage-turbo-fog/
On the janky side of things Personal Sanctuary to keep them off your back in your turn. Peace of Mind main deck on spare lands could work from main, especially if there is a hard lock fog engine with a Kami (a la Martyr Proc). Apologies if these have been raised before.
I know you have suggested nevermore for the tron. Obviously tron is a royal pain for every interesting deck in the format that wants to play a prison game, and is especially noxious with Ulamog's on exile casting trigger. Unless you are a landkill prison deck Tron seems to be a big barrier to innovative decks.
If you have a counters coming in, could a transformational board of Zur's Weirding/Peace of Mind lock work, exchanging for main deck fogs? Their cards that remove things are at a relatively low ratio given all their cantrips - 2 ugins, 3 o-stones, 4 karn and ulamog remove things, main, 3 nature's claim side....about 1/6-1/5th of the deck max- 10-`13 cards- or in other words 20-26 life of Zur's payments. Once POM and Zurs hit, there may only be one thing in hand needing countering, then just pay life on their removal spells/ulamog. Peace of Mind means each of our cards drawn denying them 1.5 cards. Its an unusual idea, but one that could work. Given the ease of critter based matches lacking counterspells, a 10 card sideboard for this type of deck, which would overlap with Burn (Peace of Mind), may be the answer.
I know from pillow fort and other lockdown decks that locking Tron out with just permanents is hard- needles, stony, rule of laws and nevermores are only one kill card away from them being at full capacity again, hence my suggestion of Zur's Weirding which is one of the few that work and protect themselves.
I don't know how well it would work, I do know I have never seen a deck lock Tron out forever with just non critter permanents in any prison deck-they always win the war, especially if they diversify to run all is dust singletons in addition to the uginx2 , o stone x3-4, 2 ulamog's and inevitable 3 nature's claim. I have seen them been locked out for a while and then died to an enormous combo play, and I have seen them been locked out forever when some landkill has come in or is present naturally, but a combination of needles, stony silence, orings, suppression fields, nevermore and rule of law/eidolon effects I have never seen cut it in a variety of decks laden with them. All they need is one piece of removal that has not been Nevermored or Needled and suddenly the Needle or Stony bites it and they start blowing stuff up. Now that Ulamog's cast trigger is about I have even seen one wriggle out of an Enduring ideal deck where there was a resolved Enduring ideal fetching Dovescape with a Stony Silence and friends down. The damn deck has just so much inevitability and so much removal. It is such a shame because otherwise Turbo Fog is really well-placed as a prison-ish deck that has a lovely customisable and consistent mix of permanents and spell power. Shame they did not nerf tron more......)