MTG Salvation

I think perhaps you are exaggerating the potential of growth of the deck. It has a solid base but I'm not sure it is going to catch on all that much.

As for changes, I think despite what I said above the first thing I would change is -4 Llanowar Elves, +3 Birds of Paradise, +1 Wall of Roots. Birds are really cheap now so that is not adding much to the cost of the deck, and there is just no reason not to have better mana fixing. Wall of Roots has a big butt, can be used for mana the turn it is played, and does need to tap to produce mana. I think I would also drop a Sun Titan and add another Eternal Witness because it grabs more and earlier. Somewhere in the 75 I would add 2-3 Qasali Pridemage even if it is not synergistic with Worship.

You really need to find a way to protect your Worship, because when your life total gets down there your opponent can effectively kill you with enchantment removal. Witness will get it back, but you might not have time for that. There are probably a few ways you can do it, but my very first thought is to put a little more money into the mana base and splash blue for Dispel. The cards that you are threatening to Worship or perhaps that last creature you control are almost all going to be non-permanents, so Dispel is great. You still have opposing pridemages or the rare O-Ring to worry about, but Dispel answers plenty.

The cheaper option is something like Faith's Shield.

That mana base is really stripped down. There are several things I would change about it, but they will cost more. The only thing I can see that will not change the cost is I would ditch at least two Stirring Wildwood and run 4x Treetop Village. It is just a better manland. City of Brass and Brushland would be good too. Down the road, if you want to put more money into the deck, 2x Horizon Canopy will be great.

Lastly, watch out for life loss as it is not the same as damage, so it will kill you. Your own Dismsmbers could prove too costly at some point. If you change the mana base to include shocks and/or fetch lands they are also life loss, but probably worth it to some degree.

The deck appeared to be gaining more and more popularity, so I expected some card to shoot through the roof, which tends to happen. Thanks for the suggestions! I'll keep those in mind!

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The deck appeared to be gaining more and more popularity, so I expected some card to shoot through the roof, which tends to happen. Thanks for the suggestions! I'll keep those in mind!

Yea, I can't say about MTGO, but with Worship being printed 4 times it will not increase more than a buck or three in meatspace. If the deck gets more attention a speculator could put a bunch of money buying them up and selling them for profit, but it is not going to make the card all that much more expensive. I think you're safe if you need to wait a couple weeks to buy them.

One thing I forgot to mention about the MTGO Goldfish list: Sigarda, Hose of Herons is cute, and I love it when she screws someone's plans, but I think she is can be excluded if you are keeping prices down. Her price is largely due to EDH and casual appeal, not Modern effectiveness.

EDIT: Why the heck is Sun Titan 4x more expensive on MTGO than it is in meatspace? Weird.

What do you suggest as a replacement for Sigarda? I probably want a decent amount of finishers, and the fact that I should probably only be playing 2 Sun Titans makes me want more finishers. I've been scouring magiccards.info for other options but haven't found anything as nice as Titan. I'm sure this would be much easier if I was playing Bant, but I simply cannot afford it right now.

I used to play Bant Troll Worship. The core of the deck was basically Geist of Saint Traft, Troll Ascetic, and Thrun, the Last Troll, and I ran some Elspeth 1.0 and some auras to get them through for lethal.

Protecting Worship is the most important thing, because it's much easier to remove/bounce than your trolls or manlands. Simic Charm or permission of some kind is probably good for this purpose, but recursion never hurts in a pinch (hence the Eternal Witnesses).

If I were to build it in paper, today, it'd probably look something like this:

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What do you suggest as a replacement for Sigarda? I probably want a decent amount of finishers, and the fact that I should probably only be playing 2 Sun Titans makes me want more finishers. I've been scouring magiccards.info for other options but haven't found anything as nice as Titan. I'm sure this would be much easier if I was playing Bant, but I simply cannot afford it right now.

Actually, as mentioned above, Thrun, the Last Troll is a really nice addition to the deck. Sun Titan is in the deck in part as a finisher, but also as recursion, but it recurs too late for it to be a primary source. Eternal Witness is better in this regard. The way I see this deck is that it's primary win condition is just raw card advantage from recursion and long lasting creatures rather than fat. Adding in Thrun if you want a fatter critter fits the primary win too.

Thrun is very good. I was initially driven away by his price tag, but I guess I gotta spend some cash at some time or another. So basically I cast Worship and become a midrange strategy, per se?

Are you building on MTGO or meatspace? 2x Thrun will cost you around $20 in paper, but only 13 tix online. It is way more expensive than Sun Titan in meatspace, but cheaper than ST online.

I'm building in paper. MTGO seems a bit of a stretch to build Modern decks to me.

It is cheaper by and large, but if you prefer to play in person then that is irrelevant.

So I noticed some talk about this deck recently and I remember someone smashing on my Bogles with it at FNM over a year ago. I had an idea for the deck.

So, I was trying to figure out a way to do lethal and it seems like this deck could have trouble. So, Kessig Wolf Run was the first card that came to mind. Then I thought about another deck that currently runs KWR; Knight Retreat. I was wondering, could we "splash" the Troll/Worship toolbox into Knight Retreat? For those who don't know what I'm talking about - Knight of the Reliquary, Retreat to Coralhelm. Could this possibly work? I have no price concerns as I have most of the cards outside of 2 more Worship and a play set of Troll Ascetic.

I honestly am no the best person to ask because I am not a person that constructs combo decks. I play Twin and Scapeshift, but at this point they are barely combo decks. I just don't have the kind of mind that is good at them, so I don't really know what strategies and cards make a good combo deck. I know you are a big combo player, so you might be better at answering your own question.

My initial thought would be that "Troll Worship" is not a spashable thing, it is more of just a strategy. It is just Worship + creatures that are on the low end of cmc that are hard to get rid of. In all reality it is a Worship deck at it's most basic, it just happens that trolls are the iconic Hexproof/Shroud critters. If you think that Knightfall could keep creatures in play and could use a durdly card like Worship then try it. You might get better advice from the Knightfall thread

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So I noticed some talk about this deck recently and I remember someone smashing on my Bogles with it at FNM over a year ago. I had an idea for the deck.

So, I was trying to figure out a way to do lethal and it seems like this deck could have trouble. So, Kessig Wolf Run was the first card that came to mind. Then I thought about another deck that currently runs KWR; Knight Retreat. I was wondering, could we "splash" the Troll/Worship toolbox into Knight Retreat? For those who don't know what I'm talking about - Knight of the Reliquary, Retreat to Coralhelm. Could this possibly work? I have no price concerns as I have most of the cards outside of 2 more Worship and a play set of Troll Ascetic.

I think a Troll Worship package might be able to be inserted. The general package would probably be 4 Worship, 4 Troll Ascetic, and 2-4 Witchstalker or another cheap hexproof creature. I like Witchstalker because it gets huge against the Grixis decks, which are pretty common these days. 4 might be a little too many though. Maybe stick to 3?

This is the exact same type of strategy I wanted to try out, I am currently just trying to figure out a way to make it work without
spending all my money-which I do not have too much of if I can't get this to work then I am gonna be all in on the aristocrats deck
that got some new cards from bfz
Edit: Also as a big fan of hatebears I am thinking that a sort of "chord for the right creaure" type thing might also be
useful.

The budget version made me interested in this. Seem right up my alley for my next deck

The budget version looks pretty solid, but it has way too many colorless and tapped lands for my tastes. The manabase could use a bit of work. Maybe something like this, instead (budget):



Move the other 2 Ghost Quarter to the SB. Treetop Village is better than Stirring Wildwood. You have enough basics to make checklands work.

8 removal seems high, too. Dismember is anti-synergistic with Worship late game. Maybe 1-2 Beast Within would work a little better to handle must-kill targets? Selesnya Charm?

SB utility lands are generally not a good idea unless they are a silver bullet you absolutely need. If you can cut them to the SB then you probably don't need them at all. I think that base for budget is pretty good, though yoinking a couple basics and adding 2x Brushland. It can be had for less than $3 a pop for 9th edition. Then just drop the Stirring Wildwood all together. It pales pretty hard compared to Treetop Village.

I think Beast Within is too hard for this deck to play around. How about Condemn? I have run it off and on in some metas in place of Path and it can be really solid. Terrible against CoCo decks though.

So, I was trying to figure out a way to do lethal and it seems like this deck could have trouble. So, Kessig Wolf Run was the first card that came to mind. Then I thought about another deck that currently runs KWR; Knight Retreat. I was wondering, could we "splash" the Troll/Worship toolbox into Knight Retreat? For those who don't know what I'm talking about - Knight of the Reliquary, Retreat to Coralhelm. Could this possibly work? I have no price concerns as I have most of the cards outside of 2 more Worship and a play set of Troll Ascetic.

I've been working on a deck like this for the last few weeks. A hybrid or smashing together of Knightfall and Troll Worship. Give me some time and I'll post up my deck list in paper. Fun to sit behind a Worship and Hexproof and put together the pieces of Knight and Coralhelm and combo off. Slow, yet fun. I'm still tweaking it.

Can maybe play that list as a remand deck war machine? Maybe with vials?

Here's my take on it, never tried the deck and just played with the numbers, but feel free to give some feedback :p.

Hi, here is my troll deck. I'm playing a control version of the list, it is not as agressive like other lists.

-Creatures x10 (all of them have got a good sinergy with massive removal)
1 Thrun, the last trol
4 Troll ascetic
3 Kitchen finks
1 Eternal witness
1 Snapcaster mage

-Counters x10
3 Cryptic command
4 Remand
3 Spell snare

-Removal x7
4 Path to exile
2 Supreme verdict
1 Engineered explosives

-Draw engine x5
4 Anticipate
1 Sphinx's revelation

-Lock x2
2 Worship

-Equipment x2
1 Batterskull
1 Sword of feast and famine


-Lands x24
4 Misty rainforest
4 Flooded strand
2 Breeding pool
2 Hallowed fountain
1 Temple garden
1 Land G/U
1 Land W/U
2 Lumbering Falls
1 Celestial colonnade
1 Academy ruins
3 Island
2 Forest
1 Plains

My sideboard is still in development.

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Here's my take on it, never tried the deck and just played with the numbers, but feel free to give some feedback :p.

Troll Worship KnightfallMagic OnlineOCTGN2ApprenticeBuy These Cards
Maindeck (60) Land (22) 2 Breeding Pool 1 Forest 1 Gavony Township 3 Ghost Quarter 1 Hallowed Fountain 1 Island 4 Misty Rainforest 1 Overgrown Tomb 1 Plains 3 Temple Garden 4 Windswept Heath Creature (22) 1 Eternal Witness 4 Geist of Saint Traft 2 Knight of the Reliquary 4 Noble Hierarch 2 Qasali Pridemage 1 Sigarda, Host of Herons 4 Sylvan Caryatid 1 Thrun, the Last Troll 3 Troll Ascetic	Enchantment (3) 3 Worship Instant (10) 2 Abrupt Decay 1 Dismember 4 Path to Exile 3 Spell Pierce Sorcery (3) 3 Painful Truths	Sideboard (15) Creature (6) 2 Burrenton Forge-Tender 2 Eidolon of Rhetoric 1 Knight of the Reliquary 1 Thrun, the Last Troll Enchantment (4) 4 Retreat to Coralhelm Instant (5) 3 Dispel 2 Negate

That's an interesting take. You've got a great grind game plan laid out. I would love to know how Painful Truths works out in a deck like this. Maybe something like:

Anyone still playing this deck ?
It should be rather well positioned in the current meta in my opinion.

Here is my deck for a Bant list:



Deft Duelist is a rather odd choice but it seems to fit the deck and provides another non-mana dork turn 2 play.
If it doesn't work it will be replaced with Qasali Pridemage or Voice of Resurgence.

Another card I considered is Wall of Denial which can be a good option against Eldrazi and other aggro decks.

I would also like to include a copy of Knight of the Reliquary but am not sure if it fits in this deck.

Has anyone considered assault formation, walls, and warship? Walls give us huge defense to get to warship?

He's my list it has the troll worship combo and the Thune Spike feeder combo.