It can be better than Blood Moon in some cases purely because Modern is so fast and very loaded on sub 3CMC threats. Shuts down or at least heavily delays decks like Infect, Burn, Elves etc. that are dense on low CMC cards. Landing one on T2 shuts off their T2 play unless they played a dork T1.
However it can hurt us as well. Having 4 mana with Lightning Bolt and Beast Within in hand means you can't cast both so be cautious about it.
So after a week with 1 anger main, I will go back to 1 bonfire.it could of won me 2 games last night where I drew into anger and I could of bonfired for a butt ton. 3 bolts mmsij is great though. As always beast within just ain't doing for me...
Seems like most decks run just the single lightning bolt. This deck has no 2 drops, and the one drops are just the mana dorks you should have already played on turn 1. Seems like trinisphere is a perfect fit.
idk, just wondering. saw a list online running a couple and wanted to know before buying anything.
I beat Fish, U-Tron and Affinity pretty easily, but lost to Jund when I hit a land pocket. Jund is actually a worse match-up for me than I think it ought to be.
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Jund is jund. You win great or loose agonizing. Turn 2 moon sets them back a bit but they still can get around. I just bring In all my life gain and a dismember for a fat goyf or kalitas
I know. Jund just gets there sometimes. In this case, and pretty much every other time I've played against it, my deck has crapped out on me though. Last night, I survived the initial onslaught, dealt with his Bobs and when finally at parity on the board hit four lands and a Utopia Spawl in a row. Game two he gets super greedy, going for all non-basics to resolve a T3 Painful truths but no Blood Moon on my side...in fact no threats whatsoever. Had a great moment when a Titan would have won it for me, but variance cost me again. Then we play for fun and I get threats and win easily...
This is actually why I switched to the RW deck for awhile as it owns Jund, but as I prefer the RG deck I figured I should swing it again. Sooner or later probability has to swing back in my favour on that match-up...doesn't it?
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I still believe abzan and jund are good matchups for us with their spells requiring specific mana, lock out them of green or double black. Also it depend how good player/how much time they spent play jund to figure out how to play around us. Worst is hand disruption for us I think.
M@lcontent - I tried your Sun & Moon deck as well as others types with Ajani, Chandra, SSG. But I really like Boom and Trokair, Molten and the GDD with the utility to choose so many potential spells from the grave. Still tweaking numbers, but it's fun.
Upside to Sun & Moon compared to Ponza is that the deck is more consistent and we are not as dependent on our starting hand.
Ponza really need to ramp, moon, LD and threats. It can and has for me at times fallen apart completely, especially if we lack ramp or ramp gets removed.
S&M has 24 lands, not dependent on ramp and can still survive with a slower hand and last better in the end game. And I always love to play white because of the SB options, and Leyline oh is so sweet to just have.
Hey Zasse_G, glad you are enjoying the RW deck. I think I'm heading back that way myself. There are 2 to 3 Jund decks at my LGS every week and the RG just isn't getting it done for me.
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I feel it has been discussed to death. But is everyone still dissing bonfire. After playing last night for hours.. maybe my meta but bonfire main is dope. 3 angers in side are fine. Also running 3 bolts main
I feel it has been discussed to death. But is everyone still dissing bonfire. After playing last night for hours.. maybe my meta but bonfire main is dope. 3 angers in side are fine. Also running 3 bolts main
Yes. Everyone is still dissing Bonfire. Glad you are having a positive experience, but you seem to be the outlier. As ever, go with what makes you happy. But for all the reasons already mentioned (yes, it has been discussed to death) Bonfire is bad magic. At least without a lot of ways to set it up. If they reprint Brainstorm then I could see my opinion changing...at least in the right deck.
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Btw, "RG Ponza" finished 25th in GP Dallas with the "Madcap Emperion" package (which I'm still not convinced of it's usefullness to the deck).
Here - https://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/506255
This definetly should promote the deck to "Developing Competitive".
Shouldn't the primer be updated, and it to be only RG Ponza perhaps since that's what's mainly discussed. I would consider that be better. If we compare to infect tier 1 where the BG Infect is hitchhiking on the tier 1 UG version. It's been suggested to start have separate.
There is no RG Ponza primer, does it need to be pure a pure one? Maybe LD is little broad for this? And the primer needs updating anyway I fell.
This definetly should promote the deck to "Developing Competitive".
I think it needs to show up more times, be more frequent and maybe win a little more. But yes there are definitely more decks out there now and also performing good I think the meta game is according to www.Modernnexus.com tiers? Developing Competitive I don't know what the actual requirements are? Like 30 decks there already?
IMHO developing competitive is not an inappropriate place for this thread. I'd also like to see the broad mana disruption mandate continued for the discussion. I know the RW decks have a thread but it was never active. W have had a lot of good discussion here. If things evolve and pick up pace enough (10-15 posts per day for a while) then I could see splitting them. But for now, all that would accomplish is orphaning one or both as you dilute the energy being put into Blood Moon/LD-type decks.
That said, I went back and looked at the primer here and while it's reasonably well constructed is does date back to 2012 and is just a tad out of date. It's due for a refresh.
Anyway, can I swap out 2 beast within for 2 molten rain? The mana base only needs slight tweaking (more red) and there's less drawback. Or am I underestimating the ability to hit nonland stuff? Everyone in the thread seems to hate beast within anyways.
Cheers! Glad it went so well for you! I usually have trouble playing against Jund, as they can get this early tarmogoyf just outside of lightning bolt or anger of the gods out and get me low enough for their own bolts before i can drop a relevant threat that doesn't get removed instantly. Even playing blood moon and a chalice of the void for x=2 doesn't get me over the hill often, as their abrupt decay just sort of handles blood moon every time as soon as it hits the board.
Trinisshere has been discussed and decks has been running it, if you just search for it in the forumthread you find it
However it can hurt us as well. Having 4 mana with Lightning Bolt and Beast Within in hand means you can't cast both so be cautious about it.
WBG Elves WBG
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RG Omnath, Locus of Rage RG || GWUB Atraxa, Praetors' Voice GWUB
R Zo-Zu the Punisher R || WU Brago, King Eternal WU
UB Gisa and Geralf UB || BGW Ghave, Guru of Spores BGW
idk, just wondering. saw a list online running a couple and wanted to know before buying anything.
I beat Fish, U-Tron and Affinity pretty easily, but lost to Jund when I hit a land pocket. Jund is actually a worse match-up for me than I think it ought to be.
This is actually why I switched to the RW deck for awhile as it owns Jund, but as I prefer the RG deck I figured I should swing it again. Sooner or later probability has to swing back in my favour on that match-up...doesn't it?
M@lcontent - I tried your Sun & Moon deck as well as others types with Ajani, Chandra, SSG. But I really like Boom and Trokair, Molten and the GDD with the utility to choose so many potential spells from the grave. Still tweaking numbers, but it's fun.
Upside to Sun & Moon compared to Ponza is that the deck is more consistent and we are not as dependent on our starting hand.
Ponza really need to ramp, moon, LD and threats. It can and has for me at times fallen apart completely, especially if we lack ramp or ramp gets removed.
S&M has 24 lands, not dependent on ramp and can still survive with a slower hand and last better in the end game. And I always love to play white because of the SB options, and Leyline oh is so sweet to just have.
Yes. Everyone is still dissing Bonfire. Glad you are having a positive experience, but you seem to be the outlier. As ever, go with what makes you happy. But for all the reasons already mentioned (yes, it has been discussed to death) Bonfire is bad magic. At least without a lot of ways to set it up. If they reprint Brainstorm then I could see my opinion changing...at least in the right deck.
Anger of the Gods is especially good now with the recent uptick in the popularity of "Dredge".
Here - https://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/506255
This definetly should promote the deck to "Developing Competitive".
There is no RG Ponza primer, does it need to be pure a pure one? Maybe LD is little broad for this? And the primer needs updating anyway I fell.
The RW lockdoen/stax/sun & moon has one:
http://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/the-game/modern/developing-competitive-modern/556716-r-w-lockdown-boros-bridge-rw-stax-landkill-and
Their primer is btw lengthy, badly formatted to read and get an overview.
I think it needs to show up more times, be more frequent and maybe win a little more. But yes there are definitely more decks out there now and also performing good I think the meta game is according to www.Modernnexus.com tiers? Developing Competitive I don't know what the actual requirements are? Like 30 decks there already?
That said, I went back and looked at the primer here and while it's reasonably well constructed is does date back to 2012 and is just a tad out of date. It's due for a refresh.
/M
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0cA_u_wlJfI&list=PL04lbfeNAaS-YixcJo4izouGkqUesg0cl&index=1
Also two other players are playing Sun & Moon decks at the GP
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ucKyt1EnQ_I&list=PL04lbfeNAaS-YixcJo4izouGkqUesg0cl&index=3
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4g7DIw9EpQ8&list=PL04lbfeNAaS-YixcJo4izouGkqUesg0cl&index=7
So I'm glad people are starting to pick up these decks and they show up at bigger events
Update:
Matt didn't come very far but another player made it into place 25th. His decklist is Madcap Ponza:
https://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/506255#paper
Kinda wondered how often he boarded in anger and took out bonfire.
Anyway, can I swap out 2 beast within for 2 molten rain? The mana base only needs slight tweaking (more red) and there's less drawback. Or am I underestimating the ability to hit nonland stuff? Everyone in the thread seems to hate beast within anyways.