Am I the only one who, when looking at this set, think "man, I really wish this was a Standard set"?
not really. it has a lot of cool stuff going on, and the complexity with all the mechanics showing up is nice. however gotta remember that we see these things as long-time enfranchised players. people playing standard, many of which are new and or are from arena, wouldnt get the references or the same sense of nostalgia. the set is very time spiral-esque, but there is a reason that wizards considered time spiral a failure on their part.
i do wish it costed as much as a standard set. the arbitrary price hike was absurd from the start, and nothing ive seen spoiled has changed that opinion.
But every pack comes with a full-art snow basic...
Wotc did not give terravore...but I'm still glad they were kind enough to give pillage for RG ponza - have been praying for the card for years. Also a reprint of Nantuko Cultivator to maybe help solve our mana flood problem mid-late game. Lots of testing to do when the cards become available. ^__^
Nether Spirit reprint! This brings back memories of when I couldn't comprehend as a kid how you win with a stupid 2/2 creature and a bunch of spells! Now I only want Cabal Coffers!
Wotc did not give terravore...but I'm still glad they were kind enough to give pillage for RG ponza - have been praying for the card for years. Also a reprint of Nantuko Cultivator to maybe help solve our mana flood problem mid-late game. Lots of testing to do when the cards become available. ^__^
Agreed on Pillage. That along with Wren and Six have gotten me interested in dusting off the ol Ponza deck.
Nether Spirit reprint! This brings back memories of when I couldn't comprehend as a kid how you win with a stupid 2/2 creature and a bunch of spells! Now I only want Nantuko Shade and Cabal Coffers!
Great combo pieces spoiled today. Crashing Footfalls is another Electrodominance/cascade target. I was playing Ancestral Vision in mono-red Living End and I'll gladly make way for Footfalls in its place.
In a dedicated Snow deck, you are looking at a Turn 3 value of at least (on curve) -5/-5 and that can be leaving your own creatures up and thats just using this sets cards.
Good enough? I dont know what Snow Payoff's we can get here, but thats not terrible.
I haven't seen anything that helps with graveyard strategies yet, like I thought Containment Priest was a pretty sure include in this set, but maybe there will still be something like it? There's about 2 white cards that seem somewhat worth playing so far.
What more GY hate do we need in Modern? I mentioned this on Twitter, but it feels like the majority of this set's power is tied to something in the GY or coming out of it. We already have GY safety valves, people simply need to play them.
In a dedicated Snow deck, you are looking at a Turn 3 value of at least (on curve) -5/-5 and that can be leaving your own creatures up and thats just using this sets cards.
Good enough? I dont know what Snow Payoff's we can get here, but thats not terrible.
I might be completely off on this, but I feel like the baseline for a snow sultai deck is there (yeah yeah, I am stretching I know). With the new fetch that fetches all basics you basically have 4 guaranteed color sources of any type, with the 1 mana artifact that draws a card and fixes your colors you have color fixing that doesn't let you a card down (and can be similar to mishra's bauble), you get to play a better Strix, and you get to play the best mass removal, that scales as the game progresses.
Now if we get a good payoff card, or if you pair these things with PWs like Jace and Vraska, and with good removals and maybe counters you have a decent shell.
I'm going to pick up the cards now, because it's literally one finisher away.
It's a shame that so few of the Coldsnap snow creatures are any good. Ohran Viper might be playable. Blizzard Specter is interesting, if iffy due to its CMC. Rimebound Dead is really annoying against non-trampling ground threats. Frost Raptor is evasive an hard to remove.
I'm absolutely glued to this spoiler season so I can say, "SEE, I TOLD YOU SO!" to absolutely ******* nobody; it's actually quite unhealthy. I'm not usually expecting much if anything from spoilers and sets, but WOTC and the community have hyped this set up so much as being a second coming that I expected my archetype not to be fed hot garbage.
Like, as of now, Jund, Rock, Shadow have still received nothing. Abzan received a card, but Abzan has so many fundamental issues as of now it doesn't matter. I also think Kara's Guile is more of an esper card not Abzan. God knows the 3 drop slot in that deck is already filled with too much.
I just want a god damn good card, and so far most of Tuesday's big spoilers is already done with. So far Yawgmoth and a 3/3 undead dude isn't doing it. Neither is an unplayable snow deluge (not enough product).
On Thin Ice is just like Chained to the Rocks, except replace "Mountain" with "snow land". Might it be playable as Path to Exile 5+? Snow basics are easily fetched at the singleton level, and probably this card's only obstacles to playability are its sorcery speed, its vulnerability to removal, and its slight inconsistency.
Throes of Chaos looks pretty fun as a 4-cmc Cascade Retrace dumb red sorcery. Unfortunately, everyone knows that the true weak link of Cascade decks are the Cascade spells like Living End. I'll be trying it in Jund anyway; none of Hexdrinker, Wrenn and Six, Vraska, Golgari Queen, and Living Twister have convinced me that they earn that slot after I tested with them.
Thinking about Yawgmoth, Thran Physician again, we've never had a spammable sac outlet that draws cards without ever incurring card disadvantage, doesn't require mana to sac, and is 4 cmc or less. At the very least, Yawgmoth mitigates board wipes and makes blocking more awkward, even if he has an inefficient body.
What more GY hate do we need in Modern? I mentioned this on Twitter, but it feels like the majority of this set's power is tied to something in the GY or coming out of it. We already have GY safety valves, people simply need to play them.
True, but I like the surprise element of Containment Priest, and also that it's a creature.
It's a shame that so few of the Coldsnap snow creatures are any good.
Yeah, that was still during the time when creatures were severely underpowered I still think Blizzard Specter is cool, reminds me of good old hypnotic specter. Blizzard Specter's return permanent option could be pretty good though.
I'm absolutely glued to this spoiler season so I can say, "SEE, I TOLD YOU SO!" to absolutely ******* nobody; it's actually quite unhealthy. I'm not usually expecting much if anything from spoilers and sets, but WOTC and the community have hyped this set up so much as being a second coming that I expected my archetype not to be fed hot garbage.
Like, as of now, Jund, Rock, Shadow have still received nothing. Abzan received a card, but Abzan has so many fundamental issues as of now it doesn't matter. I also think Kara's Guile is more of an esper card not Abzan. God knows the 3 drop slot in that deck is already filled with too much.
I just want a god damn good card, and so far most of Tuesday's big spoilers is already done with. So far Yawgmoth and a 3/3 undead dude isn't doing it. Neither is an unplayable snow deluge (not enough product).
From my testing, I think Traverse Death's Shadow has indeed received a card: Wrenn and Six. She accelerates you into your midgame and late game by recurring painful fetchlands, she deals with go-wide strategies by pinging their smaller guys, and her ult quickly ends games. I've noticed that she subtly does her part to win games, even in match-ups where you wouldn't think she's good like UR Phoenix, although it sucks when opponents swing into her and kill her before she ults. However, Traverse Death's Shadow has bigger problems to overcome: all that graveyard hate.
Jund and the Rock also received a good sideboard card in Collector Ouphe. We at the Gx Tron thread are already ripping our hair out trying to deal with it.
On Thin Ice is just like Chained to the Rocks, except replace "Mountain" with "snow land". Might it be playable as Path to Exile 5+? Snow basics are easily fetched at the singleton level, and probably this card's only obstacles to playability are its sorcery speed, its vulnerability to removal, and its slight inconsistency.
Throes of Chaos looks pretty fun as a 4-cmc Cascade Retrace dumb red sorcery. Unfortunately, everyone knows that the true weak link of Cascade decks are the Cascade spells like Living End. I'll be trying it in Jund anyway; none of Hexdrinker, Wrenn and Six, Vraska, Golgari Queen, and Living Twister have convinced me that they earn that slot after I tested with them.
Thinking about Yawgmoth, Thran Physician again, we've never had a spammable sac outlet that draws cards without ever incurring card disadvantage, doesn't require mana to sac, and is 4 cmc or less. At the very least, Yawgmoth mitigates board wipes and makes blocking more awkward, even if he has an inefficient body.
If this set gives the format a 1-drop version of Open the Armory then On Thin Icemight get some play in Bogles, but as-is it's just too clunky. Even for a deck that benefits from the fact its sorcery speed.
On Thin Ice is just like Chained to the Rocks, except replace "Mountain" with "snow land". Might it be playable as Path to Exile 5+? Snow basics are easily fetched at the singleton level, and probably this card's only obstacles to playability are its sorcery speed, its vulnerability to removal, and its slight inconsistency.
Throes of Chaos looks pretty fun as a 4-cmc Cascade Retrace dumb red sorcery. Unfortunately, everyone knows that the true weak link of Cascade decks are the Cascade spells like Living End. I'll be trying it in Jund anyway; none of Hexdrinker, Wrenn and Six, Vraska, Golgari Queen, and Living Twister have convinced me that they earn that slot after I tested with them.
Thinking about Yawgmoth, Thran Physician again, we've never had a spammable sac outlet that draws cards without ever incurring card disadvantage, doesn't require mana to sac, and is 4 cmc or less. At the very least, Yawgmoth mitigates board wipes and makes blocking more awkward, even if he has an inefficient body.
If this set gives the format a 1-drop version of Open the Armory then On Thin Icemight get some play in Bogles, but as-is it's just too clunky. Even for a deck that benefits from the fact its sorcery speed.
I'm excited for Wrenn and Six, no doubt! Whether it passes the "Will it Jund?" test I don't know. My only issue with Jund Shadow is if it becomes too graveyard dependent (which it already is). At that point it's Shadow or bust. With dredge and phoenix also doing so well at the recent tournament that doesn't help.
Ouphe is also a good sideboard card. As of now I think it may be more for Rock, but I will certainly play it in Jund, as playing that on turn 2 on the play is nice.
Thursday is when we'll know if this was a good set or not. Still waiting out until then.
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But every pack comes with a full-art snow basic...
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Agreed on Pillage. That along with Wren and Six have gotten me interested in dusting off the ol Ponza deck.
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Nantuko Shade got reprinted in Magic 2011.
The 1 mana snow Prophetic Prism is very unique: it cantrips on ETB, not sac. Eggs (Chromatic Star, Chromatic Sphere, Conjurer's Bauble, Terrarion) and Mishra's Bauble cantrip on sac, and there are a whole bunch of artifacts that draw on ETB (Elsewhere Flask, Prophetic Prism, Guild Globe, Kaleidostone, Ichor Wellspring) but they cost 2 mana. The implication of a 1 mana cantrip on ETB artifact is that you get your card immediately, without having to play from 1 card down, while it sticks around on the battlefield for Mox Opal, Galvanic Blast, Whir of Invention etc. However, your deck must be able to play enough snow lands to support it (meaning it's probably mono-colored).
Porphyry Nodes is an obnoxious lock piece with Hall of Heliod's Generosity. Enduring Ideal wants this.
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These horrible 4 drop black creatures are barely playable
100% agree, it's disgusting;
You said Toxic Deluge wasnt enaugh, they just made a SO MUCH WORSE Toxic Deluge.. =(
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Toxic Deluge isn't a one-sided boardwipe, though, which is what this will be in a dedicated snow deck.
Good enough? I dont know what Snow Payoff's we can get here, but thats not terrible.
Spirits
glad unearth showed up. not sure where itll show up, if at all, but its still a powerful effect.
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GWBCoCo Elves
WCDeath and Taxes(sold)Spirits
Now if we get a good payoff card, or if you pair these things with PWs like Jace and Vraska, and with good removals and maybe counters you have a decent shell.
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UWR Control (10-5-1)/Kiki Control/Midrange/Harbinger
UBR Cruel Control (6-4-0)/Grixis Control/Delver/Blue Jund
UWB Control/Mentor
UW Miracles/Control (currently active, 14-2-0)
BW Eldrazi & Taxes
RW Burn (9-1-0)
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A Snow Bug deck is really close to viable.
I'm going to pick up the cards now, because it's literally one finisher away.
Spirits
It's a shame that so few of the Coldsnap snow creatures are any good. Ohran Viper might be playable. Blizzard Specter is interesting, if iffy due to its CMC. Rimebound Dead is really annoying against non-trampling ground threats. Frost Raptor is evasive an hard to remove.
Like, as of now, Jund, Rock, Shadow have still received nothing. Abzan received a card, but Abzan has so many fundamental issues as of now it doesn't matter. I also think Kara's Guile is more of an esper card not Abzan. God knows the 3 drop slot in that deck is already filled with too much.
I just want a god damn good card, and so far most of Tuesday's big spoilers is already done with. So far Yawgmoth and a 3/3 undead dude isn't doing it. Neither is an unplayable snow deluge (not enough product).
Throes of Chaos looks pretty fun as a 4-cmc Cascade Retrace dumb red sorcery. Unfortunately, everyone knows that the true weak link of Cascade decks are the Cascade spells like Living End. I'll be trying it in Jund anyway; none of Hexdrinker, Wrenn and Six, Vraska, Golgari Queen, and Living Twister have convinced me that they earn that slot after I tested with them.
Thinking about Yawgmoth, Thran Physician again, we've never had a spammable sac outlet that draws cards without ever incurring card disadvantage, doesn't require mana to sac, and is 4 cmc or less. At the very least, Yawgmoth mitigates board wipes and makes blocking more awkward, even if he has an inefficient body.
They definitely want a snow deck to be viable, I hope it is, I'd play it.
Yeah, that was still during the time when creatures were severely underpowered I still think Blizzard Specter is cool, reminds me of good old hypnotic specter. Blizzard Specter's return permanent option could be pretty good though.
From my testing, I think Traverse Death's Shadow has indeed received a card: Wrenn and Six. She accelerates you into your midgame and late game by recurring painful fetchlands, she deals with go-wide strategies by pinging their smaller guys, and her ult quickly ends games. I've noticed that she subtly does her part to win games, even in match-ups where you wouldn't think she's good like UR Phoenix, although it sucks when opponents swing into her and kill her before she ults. However, Traverse Death's Shadow has bigger problems to overcome: all that graveyard hate.
Jund and the Rock also received a good sideboard card in Collector Ouphe. We at the Gx Tron thread are already ripping our hair out trying to deal with it.
If this set gives the format a 1-drop version of Open the Armory then On Thin Ice might get some play in Bogles, but as-is it's just too clunky. Even for a deck that benefits from the fact its sorcery speed.
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On thin ice's biggest strength IMO is that it's a removal spell that scrying sheets can draw
Ouphe is also a good sideboard card. As of now I think it may be more for Rock, but I will certainly play it in Jund, as playing that on turn 2 on the play is nice.
Thursday is when we'll know if this was a good set or not. Still waiting out until then.