84% conversion rate for JDS. Banish all thou thost have denied!
Whats up with the lack of GDS? Pretty surprised. It's barely been on camera.
Also, outside of Reid Duke has the community decided that rock decks are awful in modern now?
As I mentioned elsewhere, we can't assume that based on overall Pro Tour stats. We have to wait for the breakdown of performance in the Constructed rounds.
Corey Burkhart just claimed that Counterspell was way, way too good for modern and that it will never be reprinted in standard. Thoughts?
True. Too efficient an answer. You would just jam 4 in every Blue deck, no matter if it is Control, Midrange, Aggro, Tempo...
I disagree. I've been playing a lot of BUG lately and I wouldn't play it. Decks that are blue primary would probably play a lot, but if it's your secondary or tertiary color you wouldn't necessarily include it.
Corey Burkhart just claimed that Counterspell was way, way too good for modern and that it will never be reprinted in standard. Thoughts?
True. Too efficient an answer. You would just jam 4 in every Blue deck, no matter if it is Control, Midrange, Aggro, Tempo...
I disagree. I've been playing a lot of BUG lately and I wouldn't play it. Decks that are blue primary would probably play a lot, but if it's your secondary or tertiary color you wouldn't necessarily include it.
Yeah it would be auto include into blue based tempo/control/(combo?) and looking at the day 2 conversion rates...I dont think anything gets unbanned and counterspell likely puts Uxx decks over the top.
I can't believe Reid won that first game against Humans. That really was a pure game of outplaying his opponent, I think most people lose that game for sure.
Yeah it would be auto include into blue based tempo/control/(combo?) and looking at the day 2 conversion rates...I dont think anything gets unbanned and counterspell likely puts Uxx decks over the top.
Maybe. I haven't seen anything that suggests it would ruin the format to unban SFM and/or BBE.
I can't believe Reid won that first game against Humans. That really was a pure game of outplaying his opponent, I think most people lose that game for sure.
Yes. I would not have made many of those same plays that Reid did, especially declining to block whereas I almost certainly would have.
I can't say I'm pleased to see you and must warn you I may have to do something about it.
EDH: UGEdric
Pauper: URDelver
Modern: UGRDelver
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58 players were 3-0 on Day 1 in Draft, and by the end of Day 2, we see 7 players who were 6-0 in the Limited portion. Like many posters have said throughout the PT discussion, this draft portion will definitely impact who makes T8. Thankfully, we'll be able to mitigate this by checking the X-4 or better Modern decklists, which will get released today/tomorrow. This will add important conversion rates to the Day 1 and Day 2 picture. I will withhold comment on specific deck performance until we see those decks. What I will say generally is that Modern's diversity 100% held up from Day 1 to Day 2 and a lot of decks people swore up and down would dominate did not perform as expected. The Top 10 Day 2 decks also remain very strategically and color-diverse. Here are those Top 10 Day 2 decks in order:
Five-Color Humans
Affinity
Burn
Tron
Grixis Shadow
Eldrazi Tron
Jeskai Control
W/U Control
U/R Gifts Storm
Traverse Shadow
Aggro, big mana, combo, midrange, and control are all represented there. I guarantee you that Modern critics will continue to find issues with this picture; at this point, I believe that some Modern critics just want the PT to be a disaster so it can vindicate their warped Modern perspective. But neither Day 1 nor Day 2 have supported that picture.
Aggro, big mana, combo, midrange, and control are all represented there. I guarantee you that Modern critics will continue to find issues with this picture; at this point, I believe that some Modern critics just want the PT to be a disaster so it can vindicate their warped Modern perspective. But neither Day 1 nor Day 2 have supported that picture.
It's a picture of decks with some wildly swingy matchups and nothing that is fairly even across the board. I don't like this, because it creates too many non-games based on the pairings board or narrow, targeted hate cards. I personally disagree with this being a good thing, but I could see how people could consider this "healthy."
Aggro, big mana, combo, midrange, and control are all represented there. I guarantee you that Modern critics will continue to find issues with this picture; at this point, I believe that some Modern critics just want the PT to be a disaster so it can vindicate their warped Modern perspective. But neither Day 1 nor Day 2 have supported that picture.
It's a picture of decks with some wildly swingy matchups and nothing that is fairly even across the board. I don't like this, because it creates too many non-games based on the pairings board or narrow, targeted hate cards. I personally disagree with this being a good thing, but I could see how people could consider this "healthy."
You'll never be happy with this format, I don't think. We saw a ton of great games on camera minus YuYu Waantabee v Mad Cap.
So, looking at the top 16 decks in the metgame, I notice none of them would play Bloodbraid Elf. What justification is there for the card staying banned?
Aggro, big mana, combo, midrange, and control are all represented there. I guarantee you that Modern critics will continue to find issues with this picture; at this point, I believe that some Modern critics just want the PT to be a disaster so it can vindicate their warped Modern perspective. But neither Day 1 nor Day 2 have supported that picture.
It's a picture of decks with some wildly swingy matchups and nothing that is fairly even across the board. I don't like this, because it creates too many non-games based on the pairings board or narrow, targeted hate cards. I personally disagree with this being a good thing, but I could see how people could consider this "healthy."
Lol I started reading this post without looking at the name and thought "hmm that sounds familiar, I bet it's the salty twin guy :P"
Anyway this has been a sweet tournament. A cool new tribal deck getting decent play, a bunch of UR decks miraculously doing well, Reid on Abzan, hollow one getting some attention, the stalwarts of the format all having some airtime and a decent showing.
It's been great. Lots of diversity. At a certain point you can definitely discount who actually wins, because those metrics are down to individual player skill. For a wider picture of the format, the decks represented are what actually affects us as a community.
This is so much better than I could have hoped in all honesty. Solid spread of strategies, despite so many teams going in heavy on humans.
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Modern: G Tron, Vannifar, Jund, Druid/Vizier combo, Humans, Eldrazi Stompy (Serum Powder), Amulet, Grishoalbrand, Breach Titan, Turns, Eternal Command, As Foretold Living End, Elves, Cheerios, RUG Scapeshift
I'm so glad I was wrong about the PT looking like a linear mess.
The "secret best deck" theory you and GK were worried doesn't look apparent, either.
Draft kinda skews things, but the format looks great, especially when it's pros looking to snap a format in half for big money.
Our secret best deck could still be ETron or Lantern, which were two we were concerned about. Maybe Storm too, but I don't know how it's doing because I've missed some of these later rounds. DS decks definitely don't look like the secret though, as GDS isn't doing amazing and JDS was under the radar the whole time.
You'll never be happy with this format, I don't think.
I just disagree with the assertion that "no 50/50 decks = healthy format." There should be options across the board, just like there are in almost all competitive games.
Aggro, big mana, combo, midrange, and control are all represented there. I guarantee you that Modern critics will continue to find issues with this picture; at this point, I believe that some Modern critics just want the PT to be a disaster so it can vindicate their warped Modern perspective. But neither Day 1 nor Day 2 have supported that picture.
It's a picture of decks with some wildly swingy matchups and nothing that is fairly even across the board. I don't like this, because it creates too many non-games based on the pairings board or narrow, targeted hate cards. I personally disagree with this being a good thing, but I could see how people could consider this "healthy."
We know you don't like Modern. You haven't liked Modern since 2015 and I don't remember the last time you said something positive about the format in the State of Modern thread. Matchup lottery has already been disproven, and unless you have actual MWP data, I'm sure your claim about swingy matchups is false too. When interactive decks do badly, you talk about how linear the format is. When they do well, you do everything to tear down their performance and claim it was an exception. I don't see why anyone should take this extremely un-measured assault seriously.
So, looking at the top 16 decks in the metgame, I notice none of them would play Bloodbraid Elf. What justification is there for the card staying banned?
Whats up with the lack of GDS? Pretty surprised. It's barely been on camera.
Also, outside of Reid Duke has the community decided that rock decks are awful in modern now?
As I mentioned elsewhere, we can't assume that based on overall Pro Tour stats. We have to wait for the breakdown of performance in the Constructed rounds.
WBC Eldrazi & Taxes CBW
UR Keep on Cantripin' (UR Phoenix) RU
WU Surprise! It's not UW Control! (UW Midrange) UW
BG The Rock, Straight BG
U Mono-Blue Fish U
RBW Mardu Pyromancer BWR
RG Rabble! Rabble! (GR Blood Moon Aggro) GR
Legacy
W Death & Taxes W
True. Too efficient an answer. You would just jam 4 in every Blue deck, no matter if it is Control, Midrange, Aggro, Tempo...
WBC Eldrazi & Taxes CBW
UR Keep on Cantripin' (UR Phoenix) RU
WU Surprise! It's not UW Control! (UW Midrange) UW
BG The Rock, Straight BG
U Mono-Blue Fish U
RBW Mardu Pyromancer BWR
RG Rabble! Rabble! (GR Blood Moon Aggro) GR
Legacy
W Death & Taxes W
I disagree. I've been playing a lot of BUG lately and I wouldn't play it. Decks that are blue primary would probably play a lot, but if it's your secondary or tertiary color you wouldn't necessarily include it.
Yes, I should have said "blue-based" decks.
WBC Eldrazi & Taxes CBW
UR Keep on Cantripin' (UR Phoenix) RU
WU Surprise! It's not UW Control! (UW Midrange) UW
BG The Rock, Straight BG
U Mono-Blue Fish U
RBW Mardu Pyromancer BWR
RG Rabble! Rabble! (GR Blood Moon Aggro) GR
Legacy
W Death & Taxes W
Spirits
Maybe. I haven't seen anything that suggests it would ruin the format to unban SFM and/or BBE.
Yes. I would not have made many of those same plays that Reid did, especially declining to block whereas I almost certainly would have.
This is what separates me from the pros lol
EDH: UGEdric
Pauper: UR Delver
Modern: UGR Delver
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1. Minimum Archetype Support
2. Improving Green Archetypes
3. Improving White Archetypes
4. Matchup Analysis
5. Cube Combos (Work in Progress)
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58 players were 3-0 on Day 1 in Draft, and by the end of Day 2, we see 7 players who were 6-0 in the Limited portion. Like many posters have said throughout the PT discussion, this draft portion will definitely impact who makes T8. Thankfully, we'll be able to mitigate this by checking the X-4 or better Modern decklists, which will get released today/tomorrow. This will add important conversion rates to the Day 1 and Day 2 picture. I will withhold comment on specific deck performance until we see those decks. What I will say generally is that Modern's diversity 100% held up from Day 1 to Day 2 and a lot of decks people swore up and down would dominate did not perform as expected. The Top 10 Day 2 decks also remain very strategically and color-diverse. Here are those Top 10 Day 2 decks in order:
Five-Color Humans
Affinity
Burn
Tron
Grixis Shadow
Eldrazi Tron
Jeskai Control
W/U Control
U/R Gifts Storm
Traverse Shadow
Aggro, big mana, combo, midrange, and control are all represented there. I guarantee you that Modern critics will continue to find issues with this picture; at this point, I believe that some Modern critics just want the PT to be a disaster so it can vindicate their warped Modern perspective. But neither Day 1 nor Day 2 have supported that picture.
The "secret best deck" theory you and GK were worried doesn't look apparent, either.
Draft kinda skews things, but the format looks great, especially when it's pros looking to snap a format in half for big money.
It's a picture of decks with some wildly swingy matchups and nothing that is fairly even across the board. I don't like this, because it creates too many non-games based on the pairings board or narrow, targeted hate cards. I personally disagree with this being a good thing, but I could see how people could consider this "healthy."
UR ....... WUBR ........... WB ............. RGW ........ UBR ....... WUB .... BGU
Spells / Blink & Combo / Token Grind / Dino Tribal / Draw Cards / Zombies / Reanimate
You'll never be happy with this format, I don't think. We saw a ton of great games on camera minus YuYu Waantabee v Mad Cap.
Lol I started reading this post without looking at the name and thought "hmm that sounds familiar, I bet it's the salty twin guy :P"
Anyway this has been a sweet tournament. A cool new tribal deck getting decent play, a bunch of UR decks miraculously doing well, Reid on Abzan, hollow one getting some attention, the stalwarts of the format all having some airtime and a decent showing.
It's been great. Lots of diversity. At a certain point you can definitely discount who actually wins, because those metrics are down to individual player skill. For a wider picture of the format, the decks represented are what actually affects us as a community.
This is so much better than I could have hoped in all honesty. Solid spread of strategies, despite so many teams going in heavy on humans.
Our secret best deck could still be ETron or Lantern, which were two we were concerned about. Maybe Storm too, but I don't know how it's doing because I've missed some of these later rounds. DS decks definitely don't look like the secret though, as GDS isn't doing amazing and JDS was under the radar the whole time.
I just disagree with the assertion that "no 50/50 decks = healthy format." There should be options across the board, just like there are in almost all competitive games.
UR ....... WUBR ........... WB ............. RGW ........ UBR ....... WUB .... BGU
Spells / Blink & Combo / Token Grind / Dino Tribal / Draw Cards / Zombies / Reanimate
We know you don't like Modern. You haven't liked Modern since 2015 and I don't remember the last time you said something positive about the format in the State of Modern thread. Matchup lottery has already been disproven, and unless you have actual MWP data, I'm sure your claim about swingy matchups is false too. When interactive decks do badly, you talk about how linear the format is. When they do well, you do everything to tear down their performance and claim it was an exception. I don't see why anyone should take this extremely un-measured assault seriously.
What are our T16?
Spirits