UW Death and Taxes and Tezzerator are great decks in NBLM. Though, surprised that nobody played Dredge (though, only 8 guys, so there can be only that many decks).
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Modern/Legacy
either funpolice (Delver, Deathcloud, UW Control) or the fun decks (especially those ft. Griselbrand)
I would LOVE to try this format. It seems like a lot of fun and a great alternative to Modern! But I have not gotten a chance to play yet, as there are no tournaments near me. There was a No Banned List Modern tournament scheduled on the same day as a PPTQ. The PPTQ had 91 players - their most ever. The No Ban List Tournament was canceled because they didn't have enough players. (This was 2 separate stores about 50 mi. apart in CA.) I couldn't make it to either, but probably would have done the PPTQ instead (this was when Twin and Bloom were in the format).
You always hear from people who are very negative that the format would "suck" and only unfair decks would win. But I've seen different results at the Moxboardinghouse in Bellevue, Washington. At least it's what I've seen on their coverage. Anyway, I am jealous that you got to try the format, even if it was only 8 players.
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Legacy - Sneak Show, BR Reanimator, Miracles, UW Stoneblade
Premodern - Trix, RecSur, Enchantress, Reanimator, Elves https://www.facebook.com/groups/PremodernUSA/ Modern - Neobrand, Hogaak Vine, Elves
Standard - Mono Red (6-2 and 5-3 in 2 McQ)
Draft - (I wish I had more time for limited...)
Commander - Norin the Wary, Grimgrin, Adun Oakenshield (taking forever to build) (dead format for me)
It's basically the only way I play MTG these days. That said, I can see why a lot of people wouldn't enjoy it. You've got to be pretty okay with losing on turn 2 or turn 1 sometimes if they get the nuts and you have to punt. You've also got to be pretty okay with prison control too, since that's probably the overall most effective strategy.
@FoodChainGoblins: It's actually the opposite, in my experience. Most of the linear decks are so glass cannon that the fair decks can often win off a single hate card or well timed bit of interaction. The linear decks have to be that fast though, or they'll straight up lose to aggro like NBL Affinity or hybrid decks like Elves. I think the funniest thing I've ever seen when I cast Whir of Invention in response to the cascade trigger for Violent Outburst and dropped a Chalice on 0. On my opponent's turn 1. The look of dawning frustration on his face is something I'll always treasure. In fairness, I did get to go first, and I had Mox Opal, Chrome Mox on U, and a Seat of the Synod on the field. It was his first match of NBLM, and he was so smug about winning with his "degenerate" deck, Hypergenesis. I don't think he even won a single game that day.
It's basically the only way I play MTG these days. That said, I can see why a lot of people wouldn't enjoy it. You've got to be pretty okay with losing on turn 2 or turn 1 sometimes if they get the nuts and you have to punt. You've also got to be pretty okay with prison control too, since that's probably the overall most effective strategy.
@FoodChainGoblins: It's actually the opposite, in my experience. Most of the linear decks are so glass cannon that the fair decks can often win off a single hate card or well timed bit of interaction. The linear decks have to be that fast though, or they'll straight up lose to aggro like NBL Affinity or hybrid decks like Elves. I think the funniest thing I've ever seen when I cast Whir of Invention in response to the cascade trigger for Violent Outburst and dropped a Chalice on 0. On my opponent's turn 1. The look of dawning frustration on his face is something I'll always treasure. In fairness, I did get to go first, and I had Mox Opal, Chrome Mox on U, and a Seat of the Synod on the field. It was his first match of NBLM, and he was so smug about winning with his "degenerate" deck, Hypergenesis. I don't think he even won a single game that day.
Where are you able to play No Ban List Modern at with any type of consistency? Are you playing among friends?
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Premodern - Trix, RecSur, Enchantress, Reanimator, Elves https://www.facebook.com/groups/PremodernUSA/ Modern - Neobrand, Hogaak Vine, Elves
Standard - Mono Red (6-2 and 5-3 in 2 McQ)
Draft - (I wish I had more time for limited...)
Commander - Norin the Wary, Grimgrin, Adun Oakenshield (taking forever to build) (dead format for me)
Where are you able to play No Ban List Modern at with any type of consistency? Are you playing among friends?
Pretty much. I've got a play group of around 9-10 friends who are all interested in NBLM, so once a week or so we'll meet up and mess around with the format. Our local store went under about three months ago, but they had free play night where most of us met and that got turned into a pseudo-NBLM FNM. Every so often someone will drop in like Hypergenesis dude.
Where are you able to play No Ban List Modern at with any type of consistency? Are you playing among friends?
Pretty much. I've got a play group of around 9-10 friends who are all interested in NBLM, so once a week or so we'll meet up and mess around with the format. Our local store went under about three months ago, but they had free play night where most of us met and that got turned into a pseudo-NBLM FNM. Every so often someone will drop in like Hypergenesis dude.
You're so lucky. I envy this situation. I was trying to get my store to do NBLM and when it seemed they were coming around, they went under. It was the best store by far in our local area. Sad times. (1 year ago)
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Premodern - Trix, RecSur, Enchantress, Reanimator, Elves https://www.facebook.com/groups/PremodernUSA/ Modern - Neobrand, Hogaak Vine, Elves
Standard - Mono Red (6-2 and 5-3 in 2 McQ)
Draft - (I wish I had more time for limited...)
Commander - Norin the Wary, Grimgrin, Adun Oakenshield (taking forever to build) (dead format for me)
You're so lucky. I envy this situation. I was trying to get my store to do NBLM and when it seemed they were coming around, they went under. It was the best store by far in our local area. Sad times. (1 year ago)
Tell you what, if you're ever in Vermont, PM me and I'll get you directions to where we're meeting up that week.
You're so lucky. I envy this situation. I was trying to get my store to do NBLM and when it seemed they were coming around, they went under. It was the best store by far in our local area. Sad times. (1 year ago)
Tell you what, if you're ever in Vermont, PM me and I'll get you directions to where we're meeting up that week.
I'm down. The main problem is that I've traveled less and less since getting older. I think the last time I was even close was 5 years ago in Pennsylvania.
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Premodern - Trix, RecSur, Enchantress, Reanimator, Elves https://www.facebook.com/groups/PremodernUSA/ Modern - Neobrand, Hogaak Vine, Elves
Standard - Mono Red (6-2 and 5-3 in 2 McQ)
Draft - (I wish I had more time for limited...)
Commander - Norin the Wary, Grimgrin, Adun Oakenshield (taking forever to build) (dead format for me)
I like the idea of NBLM but I'm pretty sure I'd fall prey to the "busted" decks because all I'd want to do really is play Taking Turns with 4x Jace the mindsculptor hahahaha
Who am I kidding, I'd probably also play KCI with artifact lands.
Neither of these would be any good though lol. But I sure would enjoy it!
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Modern: G Tron, Vannifar, Jund, Druid/Vizier combo, Humans, Eldrazi Stompy (Serum Powder), Amulet, Grishoalbrand, Breach Titan, Turns, Eternal Command, As Foretold Living End, Elves, Cheerios, RUG Scapeshift
I like the idea of NBLM but I'm pretty sure I'd fall prey to the "busted" decks because all I'd want to do really is play Taking Turns with 4x Jace the mindsculptor hahahaha
Who am I kidding, I'd probably also play KCI with artifact lands.
Neither of these would be any good though lol. But I sure would enjoy it!
If you're willing to bend the deck a little, Eggs would be a Tier 1 deck in my honest opinion.
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Standard - Mono Red (6-2 and 5-3 in 2 McQ)
Draft - (I wish I had more time for limited...)
Commander - Norin the Wary, Grimgrin, Adun Oakenshield (taking forever to build) (dead format for me)
affinity does just fine and as foodchaingoblins said eggs wouldnt actually be that bad since you can play a better version of "sunny side up". the data that is available though suggests fair decks tend to do better than the glass canon broken stuff.
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My Decks that have been BANNED
DRS Jund | Kiki-Pod | Bloom Titan | Splinter Twin | KCI
Hypergenesis is the most bananas deck I've seen in nbl. The deck is just bananas.
Agreed it's probably among the best things you could be doing in NBLM however I'm fairly sure it just straight-loses to delver.
I think NBLM delver is a pretty strong deck. Treasure cruise powers that deck up something amazing
No. Just no. Hypergenesis is arguably the weakest (semi)competitive deck archetype you can run in NBLM. Just about anything is a better pick. Heck, I'd take Belcher over Hypergenesis, and that's basically just a coinflip deck. The reason is that Chalice of the Void, prison elements, and cheap stack interaction are much, much more common. Also, most other combo decks are less fragile and faster. The strongest combo deck is Swathstorm. Flat out. It can kill on turn 1 fairly consistently and can reasonably expect to combo out through interaction by turn 3. IMO, the tier 1 decks are Ux Tezz, Wx D&T, Jeskai Miracle Twin, Swathstorm, Affinity, Breachpost, and Elves.
Delver is alright I guess. I'd put on the upper end of tier 3. The main problem is that it's just not fast enough to take down the combo decks before they hit a critical mass and go off- which in theory is what it's supposed to beat. If there's a single dominant strategy, it's running an "I Win" button alongside either Prison elements or Aggro elements. The better version of the deck is URx Pyroclamp, which is on the cusp of being tier 1, in my experience. It's also a lot of fun to play.
I'm happy that sometimes NBLM comes back and people enjoy it.
I had my first experience two years ago (I think I wrote something in this forum too back in the day), and played UWr Miracles in a field of Elves, Storm, Hypergenesis, Birthing Pod, MonoU Infect and many others (we were like 20 players).
Nice list! I'm kind of surprised at how heavy you went on creature removal though, and the lack of Chrome Mox; that's the card I start every value based deck with.
Not having played the format since then, how's Swathstorm built? Very curious about the deck!
I'd like to point out that Dredge was pretty good in the format, even if Prized Amalgam wasn't printed yet: Dread Return is pretty good, and you use sac outlets like Viscera Seer, Drowned Rusalka and such (instead of discard outlets, like in the Legacy version) to power out armies of zombies with Bridge.
(and yeah, Hypergenesis is just bad lol: it does nothing for two-three turns and needs specific creatures in hand to be good)
It's actually an old way to build Storm decks, but it's pretty crazy. Basically by resolving Pyromancer's Swath, you only need to hit Storm Count 5-6 for Grapeshot to kill most players, since the bonus from Swath applies to each Grapeshot copy. The main advantage it's got is speed. Technically, it's possible to go off on turn 1 without land, if you get the right draws from your cantrips. I've even seen lists go as low as 16 lands to include Mishra's Bauble, since casting it and activating its' ability both add to storm count. The trade off is that it's much, much less durable than NBL Gifts Storm. It's usually only going to go off once in a game, and if you survive that single shot, you win. But it's a heck of a shot. I've also seen some slower lists that run some interaction in the main, usually Spell Snare, Void Snare, and/or Lightning Bolts, in very heavy prison metas.
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On Dredge: Yeah, most Dredge based archetypes are pretty solid. Bridge Combo is a bit lackluster in my experience, since there are a lot of undercosted sweepers running around, as well as a fair amount of grave hate. Aggro dredge is much better. The problem is that most Dredge archetypes just don't match up well against most of the good decks. Storm outpaces it, Tezzerator has maindeck hate that it can use over and over, Countertop has Terminus, Affinity is faster, Elves are faster, PyroClamp is able to flood the board enough to not die while also running Punishing Fire, D&T is preboarded against it, Pod is preboarded against it, Eldrazi Aggro is preboarded against it... It's got a solid matchup against Breachpost and similar decks though. There's basically a Dredge and Storm tax on all decks.
From my own experience, Storm, Infect, and Delver are quite good in this format. You want to be a turn 2/3 deck or something playing a ton of counters and cheap threats. It's very difficult being a slow aggro deck or trying to be entirely reactive in such a fast format.
I'm happy that sometimes NBLM comes back and people enjoy it.
I had my first experience two years ago (I think I wrote something in this forum too back in the day), and played UWr Miracles in a field of Elves, Storm, Hypergenesis, Birthing Pod, MonoU Infect and many others (we were like 20 players).
I won against Hypergenesis, Storm, Elves and UR Splinter Twin: Countertop does wonders!
I'll leave under spoilers a link to an article I wrote two years ago about the format (it's mostly in italian, but I wrote the lists in english so they are readable by everyone):
With new cards printed, I'd like to try out Search for Azcanta here, it can be nuts with Countertop (leave on top a bad card that counters their stuff and then mill it on upkeep so you can dig more), and then change the sideboard which was very experimental.
Not having played the format since then, how's Swathstorm built? Very curious about the deck!
I'd like to point out that Dredge was pretty good in the format, even if Prized Amalgam wasn't printed yet: Dread Return is pretty good, and you use sac outlets like Viscera Seer, Drowned Rusalka and such (instead of discard outlets, like in the Legacy version) to power out armies of zombies with Bridge.
(and yeah, Hypergenesis is just bad lol: it does nothing for two-three turns and needs specific creatures in hand to be good)
Grats on the finish, but I have to ask, how are you playing Mana Leak in this format? Isn't Spell Pierce just a thousand times better, even in a format filled with Mental Misstep?
Grats on the finish, but I have to ask, how are you playing Mana Leak in this format? Isn't Spell Pierce just a thousand times better, even in a format filled with Mental Misstep?
Actually, no. Mana Leak is much, much better in NBLM because most decks are running 17-19 lands- of which 8 are often Fetches. The fact that it can counter Deceiver Exarch or Splinter Twin (for example) is absolutely relevant. Obviously, you'd drop it against Scapeshift and Breachpost. I usually run it alongside Disrupting Shoal though.
It's a bit rough, but it looks serviceable enough. D&T eats Storm alive. In fact, this may very well be the single most vicious counters to Storm decks in NBLM. The toughest match-ups I've had with this type of deck are Breachpost decks. Everything else you just kind of tax into oblivion. If you find the Chalice of the Void a little too restrictive, you can run Thorn of Amethyst instead- but Chalice is better when most decks are around 60% 1cmc spells.
There are other variants that I've seen work: G/W Hatebears is very solid, and you get CoCo. Blue and Taxes gets to run the CounterTop lock if it wants, which is pretty neat. Black and Taxes is usually the way to go, though. It gets you the good sideboard options and the best options in targeted removal.
It's a bit rough, but it looks serviceable enough. D&T eats Storm alive. In fact, this may very well be the single most vicious counters to Storm decks in NBLM. The toughest match-ups I've had with this type of deck are Breachpost decks. Everything else you just kind of tax into oblivion. If you find the Chalice of the Void a little too restrictive, you can run Thorn of Amethyst instead- but Chalice is better when most decks are around 60% 1cmc spells.
There are other variants that I've seen work: G/W Hatebears is very solid, and you get CoCo. Blue and Taxes gets to run the CounterTop lock if it wants, which is pretty neat. Black and Taxes is usually the way to go, though. It gets you the good sideboard options and the best options in targeted removal.
Hope this helps!
Thanks for the list! It's quite a bit different than I expected. I don't want to get into too many minutae, but why aren't there 4 SFMS, and what does Dismemeber add to the removal suite that isn't done better by PtEs?
Edit: I just realized that Chalice set to 1 renders PtEs useless. Maybe that's the reason?
Thanks for the list! It's quite a bit different than I expected. I don't want to get into too many minutae, but why aren't there 4 SFMS, and what does Dismemeber add to the removal suite that isn't done better by PtEs?
Edit: I just realized that Chalice set to 1 renders PtEs useless. Maybe that's the reason?
On SFM: If you feel you need the 4th, I'd probably cut a Sculler. I just value the disruption higher.
On Dismember: Dismember is resistant to Chalice, but also can be cast through a Blood Moon or Spreading Seas (or a Quicksilver Fountain, I guess). It also giver you an out to targets with Protection from White. However, Chalice is the main reason.
Wouldn't it be better to build D&T similar to its vintage counterpart with cavern of souls and main deck relic or stony silences?
You could run Cavern, I suppose. You'd need a stronger Tribal theme than the list I suggested. Maybe a RW warrior theme with Blood Moon? Just spitballing- I have no idea if that would work. Active artifacts aren't a large enough problem NBLM that you need Stony Silence in the main deck. What exactly would you be shutting off? It's good against Eggs and Affinity, but everything else is just not that artifact heavy or reliant. Between Samurai of the Pale Curtain and Dryad Militant, I just don't see the point of Relic. After all, I can't beat someone's face in with the Relic, but I can with Samurai and Dryad.
I wouldn't compare NBLM with Vintage. The environments are totally different. Over all, NBLM modern is much more about all in decks than Vintage, which has the FoW safety valve, restricted cards, and better card selection.
Then I'd probably be looking at playing 4 chrome mox, 4 SSG and caverns to get a turn one Thalia, Bryn wingmare or thorn of amythist into play. That seems better than trying to play a fair version of the current modern deck with stoneforge in it.
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We had eight players show up and the metagame looked like this:
2 storm
1 zoo
1 bant deathblade
1 U/R Delver
1 Splinter Twin
1 Jeskai Ascendency Combo
1 Punishing Jund
Storm got 1st, 2nd was zoo, and 3rd was the other storm player
We are planning on holding this event again in the near future
Has anyone else experience playing this format? Let me know how it went. It looks very promising.
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Kathal
Modern/Legacy
either funpolice (Delver, Deathcloud, UW Control) or the fun decks (especially those ft. Griselbrand)
You always hear from people who are very negative that the format would "suck" and only unfair decks would win. But I've seen different results at the Moxboardinghouse in Bellevue, Washington. At least it's what I've seen on their coverage. Anyway, I am jealous that you got to try the format, even if it was only 8 players.
Premodern - Trix, RecSur, Enchantress, Reanimator, Elves https://www.facebook.com/groups/PremodernUSA/
Modern - Neobrand, Hogaak Vine, Elves
Standard - Mono Red (6-2 and 5-3 in 2 McQ)
Draft - (I wish I had more time for limited...)
Commander -
Norin the Wary, Grimgrin, Adun Oakenshield (taking forever to build)(dead format for me)@FoodChainGoblins: It's actually the opposite, in my experience. Most of the linear decks are so glass cannon that the fair decks can often win off a single hate card or well timed bit of interaction. The linear decks have to be that fast though, or they'll straight up lose to aggro like NBL Affinity or hybrid decks like Elves. I think the funniest thing I've ever seen when I cast Whir of Invention in response to the cascade trigger for Violent Outburst and dropped a Chalice on 0. On my opponent's turn 1. The look of dawning frustration on his face is something I'll always treasure. In fairness, I did get to go first, and I had Mox Opal, Chrome Mox on U, and a Seat of the Synod on the field. It was his first match of NBLM, and he was so smug about winning with his "degenerate" deck, Hypergenesis. I don't think he even won a single game that day.
Where are you able to play No Ban List Modern at with any type of consistency? Are you playing among friends?
Premodern - Trix, RecSur, Enchantress, Reanimator, Elves https://www.facebook.com/groups/PremodernUSA/
Modern - Neobrand, Hogaak Vine, Elves
Standard - Mono Red (6-2 and 5-3 in 2 McQ)
Draft - (I wish I had more time for limited...)
Commander -
Norin the Wary, Grimgrin, Adun Oakenshield (taking forever to build)(dead format for me)Pretty much. I've got a play group of around 9-10 friends who are all interested in NBLM, so once a week or so we'll meet up and mess around with the format. Our local store went under about three months ago, but they had free play night where most of us met and that got turned into a pseudo-NBLM FNM. Every so often someone will drop in like Hypergenesis dude.
You're so lucky. I envy this situation. I was trying to get my store to do NBLM and when it seemed they were coming around, they went under. It was the best store by far in our local area. Sad times. (1 year ago)
Premodern - Trix, RecSur, Enchantress, Reanimator, Elves https://www.facebook.com/groups/PremodernUSA/
Modern - Neobrand, Hogaak Vine, Elves
Standard - Mono Red (6-2 and 5-3 in 2 McQ)
Draft - (I wish I had more time for limited...)
Commander -
Norin the Wary, Grimgrin, Adun Oakenshield (taking forever to build)(dead format for me)Tell you what, if you're ever in Vermont, PM me and I'll get you directions to where we're meeting up that week.
I'm down. The main problem is that I've traveled less and less since getting older. I think the last time I was even close was 5 years ago in Pennsylvania.
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Modern - Neobrand, Hogaak Vine, Elves
Standard - Mono Red (6-2 and 5-3 in 2 McQ)
Draft - (I wish I had more time for limited...)
Commander -
Norin the Wary, Grimgrin, Adun Oakenshield (taking forever to build)(dead format for me)Who am I kidding, I'd probably also play KCI with artifact lands.
Neither of these would be any good though lol. But I sure would enjoy it!
If you're willing to bend the deck a little, Eggs would be a Tier 1 deck in my honest opinion.
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Standard - Mono Red (6-2 and 5-3 in 2 McQ)
Draft - (I wish I had more time for limited...)
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Norin the Wary, Grimgrin, Adun Oakenshield (taking forever to build)(dead format for me)Tooth & Nail........Grishoalbrand....Living Dominance....Tezzerator.........Vannifar Pod
My Decks that have been BANNED
DRS Jund | Kiki-Pod | Bloom Titan | Splinter Twin | KCI
Agreed it's probably among the best things you could be doing in NBLM however I'm fairly sure it just straight-loses to delver.
I think NBLM delver is a pretty strong deck. Treasure cruise powers that deck up something amazing
No. Just no. Hypergenesis is arguably the weakest (semi)competitive deck archetype you can run in NBLM. Just about anything is a better pick. Heck, I'd take Belcher over Hypergenesis, and that's basically just a coinflip deck. The reason is that Chalice of the Void, prison elements, and cheap stack interaction are much, much more common. Also, most other combo decks are less fragile and faster. The strongest combo deck is Swathstorm. Flat out. It can kill on turn 1 fairly consistently and can reasonably expect to combo out through interaction by turn 3. IMO, the tier 1 decks are Ux Tezz, Wx D&T, Jeskai Miracle Twin, Swathstorm, Affinity, Breachpost, and Elves.
Delver is alright I guess. I'd put on the upper end of tier 3. The main problem is that it's just not fast enough to take down the combo decks before they hit a critical mass and go off- which in theory is what it's supposed to beat. If there's a single dominant strategy, it's running an "I Win" button alongside either Prison elements or Aggro elements. The better version of the deck is URx Pyroclamp, which is on the cusp of being tier 1, in my experience. It's also a lot of fun to play.
Nice list! I'm kind of surprised at how heavy you went on creature removal though, and the lack of Chrome Mox; that's the card I start every value based deck with.
Swathstorm is usually something like this:
4 Simian Spirit Guide
4 Rite of Flame
4 Gitaxian Probe
4 Manamorphose
4 Seething Song
4 Pyretic Ritual
4 Desperate Ritual
3 Pyromancer's Swath
3 Grapeshot
4 Ponder
2 Preordain
2 Treasure Cruise
It's actually an old way to build Storm decks, but it's pretty crazy. Basically by resolving Pyromancer's Swath, you only need to hit Storm Count 5-6 for Grapeshot to kill most players, since the bonus from Swath applies to each Grapeshot copy. The main advantage it's got is speed. Technically, it's possible to go off on turn 1 without land, if you get the right draws from your cantrips. I've even seen lists go as low as 16 lands to include Mishra's Bauble, since casting it and activating its' ability both add to storm count. The trade off is that it's much, much less durable than NBL Gifts Storm. It's usually only going to go off once in a game, and if you survive that single shot, you win. But it's a heck of a shot. I've also seen some slower lists that run some interaction in the main, usually Spell Snare, Void Snare, and/or Lightning Bolts, in very heavy prison metas.
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On Dredge: Yeah, most Dredge based archetypes are pretty solid. Bridge Combo is a bit lackluster in my experience, since there are a lot of undercosted sweepers running around, as well as a fair amount of grave hate. Aggro dredge is much better. The problem is that most Dredge archetypes just don't match up well against most of the good decks. Storm outpaces it, Tezzerator has maindeck hate that it can use over and over, Countertop has Terminus, Affinity is faster, Elves are faster, PyroClamp is able to flood the board enough to not die while also running Punishing Fire, D&T is preboarded against it, Pod is preboarded against it, Eldrazi Aggro is preboarded against it... It's got a solid matchup against Breachpost and similar decks though. There's basically a Dredge and Storm tax on all decks.
Grixis Death's Shadow, Jund, UW Tron, Jeskai Control, Storm, Counters Company, Eldrazi Tron, Affinity, Living End, Infect, Merfolk, Dredge, Ad Nauseam, Amulet, Bogles, Eldrazi Tron, Mono U Tron, Lantern, Mardu Pyromancer
Grats on the finish, but I have to ask, how are you playing Mana Leak in this format? Isn't Spell Pierce just a thousand times better, even in a format filled with Mental Misstep?
Modern -
Actually, no. Mana Leak is much, much better in NBLM because most decks are running 17-19 lands- of which 8 are often Fetches. The fact that it can counter Deceiver Exarch or Splinter Twin (for example) is absolutely relevant. Obviously, you'd drop it against Scapeshift and Breachpost. I usually run it alongside Disrupting Shoal though.
Sure! This is where I'd start.
4 Ghost Quarter
4 Marsh Flats
1 Swamp
2 Godless Shrine
3 Flagstones of Trokair
5 Plains
Artifacts 14
4 Chrome Mox
4 Aether Vial
4 Chalice of the Void
1 Batterskull
1 Umezawa's Jitte
4 Thalia, Guardian of Thraben
3 Stoneforge Mystic
4 Vryn Wingmare
4 Tidehallow Sculler
2 Dryad Militant
2 Selfless Spirit
2 Samurai of the Pale Curtain
Spells 6
3 Dismember
3 Path to Exile
4 Leyline of Sanctity
3 Leonine Relic-Warder
2 Stony Silence
2 Tocatli Honor Guard
1 Samurai of the Pale Curtain
3 Brave the Elements
It's a bit rough, but it looks serviceable enough. D&T eats Storm alive. In fact, this may very well be the single most vicious counters to Storm decks in NBLM. The toughest match-ups I've had with this type of deck are Breachpost decks. Everything else you just kind of tax into oblivion. If you find the Chalice of the Void a little too restrictive, you can run Thorn of Amethyst instead- but Chalice is better when most decks are around 60% 1cmc spells.
There are other variants that I've seen work: G/W Hatebears is very solid, and you get CoCo. Blue and Taxes gets to run the CounterTop lock if it wants, which is pretty neat. Black and Taxes is usually the way to go, though. It gets you the good sideboard options and the best options in targeted removal.
Hope this helps!
Thanks for the list! It's quite a bit different than I expected. I don't want to get into too many minutae, but why aren't there 4 SFMS, and what does Dismemeber add to the removal suite that isn't done better by PtEs?
Edit: I just realized that Chalice set to 1 renders PtEs useless. Maybe that's the reason?
Modern -
On SFM: If you feel you need the 4th, I'd probably cut a Sculler. I just value the disruption higher.
On Dismember: Dismember is resistant to Chalice, but also can be cast through a Blood Moon or Spreading Seas (or a Quicksilver Fountain, I guess). It also giver you an out to targets with Protection from White. However, Chalice is the main reason.
You could run Cavern, I suppose. You'd need a stronger Tribal theme than the list I suggested. Maybe a RW warrior theme with Blood Moon? Just spitballing- I have no idea if that would work. Active artifacts aren't a large enough problem NBLM that you need Stony Silence in the main deck. What exactly would you be shutting off? It's good against Eggs and Affinity, but everything else is just not that artifact heavy or reliant. Between Samurai of the Pale Curtain and Dryad Militant, I just don't see the point of Relic. After all, I can't beat someone's face in with the Relic, but I can with Samurai and Dryad.
I wouldn't compare NBLM with Vintage. The environments are totally different. Over all, NBLM modern is much more about all in decks than Vintage, which has the FoW safety valve, restricted cards, and better card selection.