This card came up recently in some casual play. I tried to look up online the exact scope of its effects but I found very little in terms of rulings. So all opponent's creatures become illusions and become destroyed when they are targeted by a spell or ability.
Two questions:
1. Does this only apply to creatures on the battlefield when the card is played or all subsequent creatures as well?
2. Exactly what constitutes being "targeted by a spell or ability." The player using the card took it to mean, any time one tries to attach equipment to the creature, any buff enchantment, (be it aura or not-- ie nimbus wings would be applicable), and all manner of creature abilities that would buff other creatures in any way shape or form. Apparently while the general rule is the card must specifically use the word "target", there are a number of abilities that are supposed to be implied to be targeting without using the actual word--of which I couldn't begin to recall what all these abilities might be. So exactly what is the scope at play here?
All spells that target a creature in specific will destroy the creature. If someone uses a spell that gives all creatures an effect it will not destroy the creature and replacement effects, such as Hardened Scales, also do not destroy the creature. Hope that helps.
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1. Creature outside of the battlefield is not a creature. it's a creature card. So with the additional wording of "control" it certainly the ones in the battlefield.
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1. Creature outside of the battlefield is not a creature. it's a creature card. So with the additional wording of "control" it certainly the ones in the battlefield.
So it doesn't affect creatures that enter the battlefield afterward?
1. Creature outside of the battlefield is not a creature. it's a creature card. So with the additional wording of "control" it certainly the ones in the battlefield.
So it doesn't affect creatures that enter the battlefield afterward?
Oh I get what the confusion is. Basically, when an opponent has a creature card and they pay the mana to cast it, it becomes a creature spell until it actually resolves. While it is a spell it is not yet a creature and will not be impacted by the Dismiss into Dream. It has to resolve first to become a creature and when it does it gains the illusion creature type. So if you use something that targets a spell, it wont destroy the creature. On the plus side, most things that target spells tend to counter or redirect them so usually this doesn't actually matter much.
Case in point, a Remand will not send the card to the graveyard, but an Unsummon cast on the resolved creature would do that.
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1. (Ravnica Allegiance): You can't keep a good esper control deck down... Or Wilderness Reclamation... or Gates...
2. (War of the Spark): Guys, I know what we need! We need a cycle of really idiotic flavor text victory cards! Jace's Triumph...
3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
Apparently while the general rule is the card must specifically use the word "target", there are a number of abilities that are supposed to be implied to be targeting without using the actual word--of which I couldn't begin to recall what all these abilities might be. So exactly what is the scope at play here?
Equip, Provoke, Modular, Haunt, Graft, Fortify*, Reinforce, Scavenge, and Awaken* are all keyword abilities which can target creatures on the battlefield (I think that's an exhaustive list as of right now, but I'm not 100% certain of that). Additionally, Aura spells target (though an aura entering the battlefield some other way doesn't), which means Bestow is a relevant keyword for the list as well.
* Fortify and Awaken can only target lands, but they can target lands which are also creatures, such as Dryad Arbor, a manland that's been animated, or a land that was targeted by a previous spell with Awaken.
This card came up recently in some casual play. I tried to look up online the exact scope of its effects but I found very little in terms of rulings. So all opponent's creatures become illusions and become destroyed when they are targeted by a spell or ability.
Two questions:
1. Does this only apply to creatures on the battlefield when the card is played or all subsequent creatures as well?
2. Exactly what constitutes being "targeted by a spell or ability." The player using the card took it to mean, any time one tries to attach equipment to the creature, any buff enchantment, (be it aura or not-- ie nimbus wings would be applicable), and all manner of creature abilities that would buff other creatures in any way shape or form. Apparently while the general rule is the card must specifically use the word "target", there are a number of abilities that are supposed to be implied to be targeting without using the actual word--of which I couldn't begin to recall what all these abilities might be. So exactly what is the scope at play here?
All spells that target a creature in specific will destroy the creature. If someone uses a spell that gives all creatures an effect it will not destroy the creature and replacement effects, such as Hardened Scales, also do not destroy the creature. Hope that helps.
1. (Ravnica Allegiance): You can't keep a good esper control deck down... Or Wilderness Reclamation... or Gates...
2. (War of the Spark): Guys, I know what we need! We need a cycle of really idiotic flavor text victory cards! Jace's Triumph...
3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
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So it doesn't affect creatures that enter the battlefield afterward?
Oh I get what the confusion is. Basically, when an opponent has a creature card and they pay the mana to cast it, it becomes a creature spell until it actually resolves. While it is a spell it is not yet a creature and will not be impacted by the Dismiss into Dream. It has to resolve first to become a creature and when it does it gains the illusion creature type. So if you use something that targets a spell, it wont destroy the creature. On the plus side, most things that target spells tend to counter or redirect them so usually this doesn't actually matter much.
Case in point, a Remand will not send the card to the graveyard, but an Unsummon cast on the resolved creature would do that.
1. (Ravnica Allegiance): You can't keep a good esper control deck down... Or Wilderness Reclamation... or Gates...
2. (War of the Spark): Guys, I know what we need! We need a cycle of really idiotic flavor text victory cards! Jace's Triumph...
3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
* Fortify and Awaken can only target lands, but they can target lands which are also creatures, such as Dryad Arbor, a manland that's been animated, or a land that was targeted by a previous spell with Awaken.
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