No. Snapcaster won't give AV a Flashback cost, because it doesn't have a casting cost.
And besides that, Flashback is an alternative cost like the one that As Foretold gives the card. You can't pay 2 alternative costs, you have to chooose one. So you can't play anything flashbacked with this.
Funny thing is, you can play the Aftermath side of those new split cards from the grave with As Foretold, if you have enough counters on it.
No. Snapcaster won't give AV a Flashback cost, because it doesn't have a casting cost.
And besides that, Flashback is an alternative cost like the one that As Foretold gives the card. You can't pay 2 alternative costs, you have to chooose one. So you can't play anything flashbacked with this.
Funny thing is, you can play the Aftermath side of those new split cards from the grave with As Foretold, if you have enough counters on it.
Thanks!
Incidentally, if a card cast with Aftermath gets Remanded, does the split card go to the hand?
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I don't think As Foretold is made/will be used purely for combo potential. It's a 3 mana Aether Vial for all spells, rather than just creatures, and you can use it once per turn, so you can cast a free sorcery-speed spell on your turn and a free Instant on theirs. It's a cast rather than a put-in-play, so your cards can still be countered, but it still seems quite powerful. I could see a Delver/Midrange deck getting tons of use out of it for value.
If anything I think it could significantly boost a sultai or temur midrange deck.
Despite my complaints against the card I'm trying to find ways to use it too. I think it fits very well into the discard shell (which is effectively a brainstorm shell) of Liliana/Brutality/TS/IoK, since you can pitch it when it's bad, or cast it when it's good. Those decks are usually pretty good about being able to spend T3 not affecting the board too, especially since at 1 counter you can already enable bolt/push/path to catch up. Visions fits into that shell very naturally too.
I look forward to trying Vizier of Posions with Nest of Scarabs.
Curving TS or IoK into Hapatra into Nest into BSZ seems so good. Assuming you nuke, you get 1 Snake and 2 Scarabs for every creature. Or if you'd prefer to keep her around you get 1 Snake and 1 Scarab.
This not only kills small dudes on their side, but anything they have that's larger is shrunk and now you've got Deathtouch to trade with. You also can run Crumbling Ashes as a pseudo Purphory Node.
She does die to stiff breeze though, and given the other targets are tokens she becomes even more a lightning rod.
This is also a super slow clock against Combo or Big Mana, but the new Crocodile could help in that department too.
All said, I know this won't be more than tier 6 on a good day, but I'm sure it could spike FNM.
Red should be burn, Goblins, Dragons, draw/discard, and Standard-unplayable 5CMC cards with insane, lengthy effects that take 10 minutes to figure out what they do and another 20 to actually make their effects work on the field.
Can Regal Caracal be playable in a control deck as a stabilization card ala a white P&K ? It is 7/7 split between 3 bodies, two of them with lifelink.
The 5-cmc is a bit harsh, I wish it was a 2/2 for 4 rather than a 3/3 for 5.
A little bit disappointed that the Lily in this set has such a high casting cost.
You mean the one from the intro deck? There hasn't been a Lily spoiled yet, and the intro deck ones are meant to be over-costed.
Throne of the God-Pharaoh has a neat effect. It's good for aggro decks but they won't play it in Modern. Will be a house in 2HG I bet though.
As Foretold has lots of potential in the fact that it is an Aether Vial for Magic cards. To get over its slow buildup though I can see it only getting played in Restore Balance decks where you can wipe the board, hand, and lands then ride this thing to victory. As Izzet mentioned, going straight UR would probably work as Greater Gargadon is your finisher and can take out off of your lands for Restore Balance. Then the opponent will have to deal with it while you have an engine pumping out spells the rest of the game. I'll probably play around with the concept for a bit. Perhaps Blood Moon could also be used like a Blue Moon shell, but then the 3-drop slot starts to get a little crowded. I'm sure someone will break it.
As Foretold might actually work in the taking turns deck. The card needs a few turns to get going. Playing timewalk effects with counter-magic backup sounds good. It also makes Walk the Aons stronger.
i don't think we will play foretold, doesn't fit the deck
Can Regal Caracal be playable in a control deck as a stabilization card ala a white P&K ? It is 7/7 split between 3 bodies, two of them with lifelink.
The 5-cmc is a bit harsh, I wish it was a 2/2 for 4 rather than a 3/3 for 5.
Not easy.
It has to compete with Gideon Jura with the same mana cost.
Moreover, both Elsepth and Gideon are only good in metas more dominated by midrange decks since they are bombs off the top. In other matchups, non-flash threats above 3 cmc are almost unplayable because they put the control deck in a spot where they either have to wait too long to cast it, or go shields down.
Sorcery speed threats need a ton of upside to see any play at all above 3 cmc, and even then only the most resilient (gideon, dragonlord ojutai, elspeth) are playable. There is no way that Regal Caracal sees any control play. People can't even play monastery mentor because of how slow it is, and mentor is much better.
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As foretold in play, flipped Jace, Telepath Unbound in play (5 counters lets say) and ancestral vision in yard. Can I use jace/as foretold to cast vision from the yard for free?
As foretold in play, flipped Jace, Telepath Unbound in play (5 counters lets say) and ancestral vision in yard. Can I use jace/as foretold to cast vision from the yard for free?
They made another red 1 drop with prowess....is Wizards serious? no haste, but 4 are going into my Burn deck. there really needs to be an excellent counterspell in this block, the stupid powerful threats are getting almost boring. that card is on a similar level to Swiftspear. I have played with Swifty plenty, Burn is my primary deck, and haste is not the most important thing on it. the dream is this t1, then Swifty and Bolt t2
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They made another red 1 drop with prowess....is Wizards serious? no haste, but 4 are going into my Burn deck. there really needs to be an excellent counterspell in this block, the stupid powerful threats are getting almost boring. that card is on a similar level to Swiftspear. I have played with Swifty plenty, Burn is my primary deck, and haste is not the most important thing on it. the dream is this t1, then Swifty and Bolt t2
No, burn does not want that card. Haste is the most important factor in a burn creature. Imagine your opponent is 1 turn from stabilizing/killing you and at 1 life and you topdeck this.
Burn wants to convert every single red mana into 3 or more dmg. Without haste this guy will see zero play.
The only nonhaste creature burn runs is either lavaman who makes up for lack of haste by being shock-on-a-stick, or nacatl in naya which I personally don't like but can be good early game.
They made another red 1 drop with prowess....is Wizards serious? no haste, but 4 are going into my Burn deck. there really needs to be an excellent counterspell in this block, the stupid powerful threats are getting almost boring. that card is on a similar level to Swiftspear. I have played with Swifty plenty, Burn is my primary deck, and haste is not the most important thing on it. the dream is this t1, then Swifty and Bolt t2
I could see this being a sideboard hard in RDW or Burn, but even finding room for Grim Lavamancer maindeck is always a challenge, and I argue Lavamancer is the better card in most applications.
The only way I see this getting maindecked over other cards is in some sort of counters matters deck. I don't know, Volt Charge or something comes to mine.
The only nonhaste creature burn runs is either lavaman who makes up for lack of haste by being shock-on-a-stick, or nacatl in naya which I personally don't like but can be good early game.
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This new creature won't do anything burn wants. At best you can now kill a kitchen finks without it coming back or make it so you can swing into a goyf without actually trading. Nacatl is just going to almost always be more damage.
I am replacing my Lavamancers with this, and my Shard Volleys for this. Swift is generally only one damage the turn it drops. I have been wanting any r/w one drop with prowess because it makes AK that much better
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I'm not convinced Soul-Scar Mage will see any play, even in Burn. When you play Burn, usually your burn spells go to the head. Wither on burn spells only matters for Kitchen Finks and 4/5s; if you Bolt a mana dork, it's going to die regardless of whether Bolt has wither or not.
Outside of Burn, there could be a revival of the Prowess deck with 4 each of Swiftspear and Soul-Scar Mage, but that deck lost Probe.
I'm not convinced Soul-Scar Mage will see any play, even in Burn. When you play Burn, usually your burn spells go to the head. Wither on burn spells only matters for Kitchen Finks and 4/5s; if you Bolt a mana dork, it's going to die regardless of whether Bolt has wither or not.
Outside of Burn, there could be a revival of the Prowess deck with 4 each of Swiftspear and Soul-Scar Mage, but that deck lost Probe.
Hey at least you still have Mutagenic Growth, Mishra's Bauble....and I suppose Gut Shot.
In a "hot or not" kind of rating for As Foretold I think I'm going with "not" for the moment. It's certainly a unique card, which is always splashy, but I don't see this impacting very much. I think the main issue is that it's a bit too slow. By the time this gets 4 counters on it, it will be turn 7. Do you really need free spells at that point in the game? Being able to fire off a free AV is nice, I'll grant that. But that's only a couple turns early anyway.
I fully acknowledge that I could be wrong. It's a unique card and gives blue a mana advantage. It could very well prove powerful in the right home. I just don't quite see it right now. It's also a tremendously horrible hellbent topdeck.
the card itself really isn't worth the card board its printed on...does it serve a purpose? Sure its a blue 1 drop that might not be a 1/1. I would not put it in a list and expect to win a PTQ or GP though.
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No. Snapcaster won't give AV a Flashback cost, because it doesn't have a casting cost.
And besides that, Flashback is an alternative cost like the one that As Foretold gives the card. You can't pay 2 alternative costs, you have to chooose one. So you can't play anything flashbacked with this.
Funny thing is, you can play the Aftermath side of those new split cards from the grave with As Foretold, if you have enough counters on it.
WGUBR 5c Humans
GWR Naya Zoo
Legacy:
GW GW Maverick
R Goblins
Incidentally, if a card cast with Aftermath gets Remanded, does the split card go to the hand?
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Despite my complaints against the card I'm trying to find ways to use it too. I think it fits very well into the discard shell (which is effectively a brainstorm shell) of Liliana/Brutality/TS/IoK, since you can pitch it when it's bad, or cast it when it's good. Those decks are usually pretty good about being able to spend T3 not affecting the board too, especially since at 1 counter you can already enable bolt/push/path to catch up. Visions fits into that shell very naturally too.
Curving TS or IoK into Hapatra into Nest into BSZ seems so good. Assuming you nuke, you get 1 Snake and 2 Scarabs for every creature. Or if you'd prefer to keep her around you get 1 Snake and 1 Scarab.
This not only kills small dudes on their side, but anything they have that's larger is shrunk and now you've got Deathtouch to trade with. You also can run Crumbling Ashes as a pseudo Purphory Node.
She does die to stiff breeze though, and given the other targets are tokens she becomes even more a lightning rod.
This is also a super slow clock against Combo or Big Mana, but the new Crocodile could help in that department too.
All said, I know this won't be more than tier 6 on a good day, but I'm sure it could spike FNM.
The 5-cmc is a bit harsh, I wish it was a 2/2 for 4 rather than a 3/3 for 5.
i don't think we will play foretold, doesn't fit the deck
URW PillowFort Stasis (costruction)
modern:
U Taking Turns combo
pauper:
UB Servitor Control
xenob8 : you know you are going to have a bad time when opponent starts with snow covered island
Not easy.
It has to compete with Gideon Jura with the same mana cost.
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In additional, I forget to mention Baneslayer Angel as well.
Anything, but nothing at the moment...
Modern:
WUBRGAmulet Titan, WUBRGHuman
WUBRAd Nauseam, WBRGDeath Shadow, UBRGScapeshift, UBRGDredge
WURJeskai Nahiri, WURCheeri0s, WBGCounter Company, WRGBurn, UBRMadcap Moon, BRGJund Midrange
UBTurn,BRGriselbrand Reanimator, WGKnight Company, RGRG Tron, RGRG Ponza, XAffinity, XEldrazi Tron
Modern:
Grixis Shadow
Burn
Titanshift
Copycat (Given up currently, not entirely sure what it needs)
Legacy:
Burn
B/R Reanimator (slowly building
EDH:
Sedris Control/Reanimation
Sorcery speed threats need a ton of upside to see any play at all above 3 cmc, and even then only the most resilient (gideon, dragonlord ojutai, elspeth) are playable. There is no way that Regal Caracal sees any control play. People can't even play monastery mentor because of how slow it is, and mentor is much better.
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As foretold in play, flipped Jace, Telepath Unbound in play (5 counters lets say) and ancestral vision in yard. Can I use jace/as foretold to cast vision from the yard for free?
edit: Yep, evidently Jace telepath unbound will do it. https://twitter.com/TabakRules/status/850077153781719040
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Nice work!
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BRW Mardu Pyromancer
UW UW "Control"
UR Blue Moon
No, burn does not want that card. Haste is the most important factor in a burn creature. Imagine your opponent is 1 turn from stabilizing/killing you and at 1 life and you topdeck this.
Burn wants to convert every single red mana into 3 or more dmg. Without haste this guy will see zero play.
The only nonhaste creature burn runs is either lavaman who makes up for lack of haste by being shock-on-a-stick, or nacatl in naya which I personally don't like but can be good early game.
BG Rock
Modern:
RW Sun & Moon
RBG Dredge
RWG Burn
Legacy:
W Death & Taxes
I could see this being a sideboard hard in RDW or Burn, but even finding room for Grim Lavamancer maindeck is always a challenge, and I argue Lavamancer is the better card in most applications.
The only way I see this getting maindecked over other cards is in some sort of counters matters deck. I don't know, Volt Charge or something comes to mine.
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Outside of Burn, there could be a revival of the Prowess deck with 4 each of Swiftspear and Soul-Scar Mage, but that deck lost Probe.
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Big Johnny.
Hey at least you still have Mutagenic Growth, Mishra's Bauble....and I suppose Gut Shot.
(even Noxious Revival/Surgical Extraction seem better).
I fully acknowledge that I could be wrong. It's a unique card and gives blue a mana advantage. It could very well prove powerful in the right home. I just don't quite see it right now. It's also a tremendously horrible hellbent topdeck.
Standard: lol no
Modern: BG/x, UR/x, Burn, Merfolk, Zoo, Storm
Legacy: Shardless BUG, Delver (BUG, RUG, Grixis), Landstill, Depths Combo, Merfolk
Vintage: Dark Times, BUG Fish, Merfolk
EDH: Teysa, Orzhov Scion / Krenko, Mob Boss / Stonebrow, Krosan Hero
http://modernnexus.com/restoring-balance-as-foretold/
Counter-Cat
Colorless Eldrazi Stompy
Cycle through your deck for free until you hit Resounding Thunders and deal 24 uncounterable damage to the opponent
Of course 6 mana is a lot and you need to have not burned off too much of your hand already so you have at least 7 cards