I don't think that maverick is inherently unfair of a deck and it sees legacy play. Also I'm not asking for blue to be tier 0 I am asking it to have the tools necessary. Bant eldrazi plays blue, if serum visions is equal to ancient stirrings why doesn't it play serum?
Maverick is decent, but it's low tier 2 if you want to be generous.
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Prediction: Mishra's Bauble will be banned as the only (Modern) change. The only deck right now in Modern right now that could be called unhealthy is Death's Shadow Jund, and Bauble is the card that breaks the deck wide open. Being forced to play something in that spot instead of just having a 52 card deck would knock it down a peg and put in on par with the Grixis builds. Plus it's the only 0 cmc cantrip left in the format, which, combined with the fact that I'm pretty sure WotC doesn't like Modern format staples to be uncommons from a decade ago that cost $40+ dollars a piece, puts it in the crosshairs.
I doubt there will ever be another unbanning after the Grave-Troll debacle.
EDIT: Also, the Preordain/Stirrings discussion is absurd. Stirrings is good if you build around it; Preordain is basically a mandatory 4-of in any deck that even splashes blue. Serum Visions is everywhere and it's literally Serum Visions.
The problem is that WOTC wants Modern to be a flagship format of Magic. So naturally, they want to have skill-based characteristics in it, but also they want it to be kind of 'new' every so often. Previous bans reflect this, whether it is the Pro Tour or having the second most GP's in a year. Splinter Twin was banned because it was a established Tier 1 deck that would need a big change in the format via Standard to make it not Tier 1 anymore(rotate it if you will). So they figure that the best way to rotate the format that many people see and play is by bannings. That kind of fired back because people, despite playing Modern a lot, know that this is a 'ban format'. Bad propaganda if you ask me, and i know a few players that left Modern because of this(screwing with people's money is bad).
My point being, consistency(or high consistency) is an enemy of this format. Blue cantrips are banned under the premise that 'there's some novelty in games playing differently form each other' and i totally agree with this. Legacy is a good format but it is super agglomerated by Blue combo decks and Blue tempo/prison decks(those who have FOW), and if you happen to dislike blue, you have to do something pretty unfair like Death and Taxes does, which is a prison strategy above all and locks resources until it the opponent can't even play a spell. It is a very high consistency format and it becomes stale despite having 100 'playable' archetypes because the same decks overperform over and over. The bar is set too high. Modern with the blue cantrips(Ponder and Preordain, or even just one of those+Serum Visions) is too risky for them as it attempts against that golden rule of theirs. Right now i don't think anyone wants Modern to become like Legacy, i prefer the variety and being known as a 'brewer's paradise' and all that jazz which people seem to enjoy so much.
I think this is the mentality going forward, approaching bans and unbans. This happens to be a good rule for Twin as it has the 'right' consistency. SFM could fall here too. Jace and BBE too but are more borderline as they become the stale two best choices for top of curve in those decks that supoort them. Also, i think Ancient Stirrings is closer to being banned that Preordain being unbanned.
I disagree with the above. Notably, I don't think WotC views Modern as a flagship of the game; if anything they want it to be less visible than it currently is, as standard and limited are the primary magic money-makers for WotC. I still believe that they are unsure of how to manage the format and capitalize on its popularity. I feel like they thought it would be more simple than it has turned out to be and are unwilling to put the resources into actively managing/designing for the format.
Secondly, I don't think the ponder/preordain bans are related to a desire for games to play out differently. Really, it has more to do with being careful around the potential for powerful combos (which they do not want to be too consistent). The broader desire for more in-game variance (which, I suspect is not strongly related to deck diversity) is not likely something they are shooting for.
However, I do agree that they have used bans in the past to "shake up" the format; this was especially true when we had pro tours and there was a spotlight on the format. Going forward, I'm not sure if that will be the case.
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Prediction: Mishra's Bauble will be banned as the only (Modern) change. The only deck right now in Modern right now that could be called unhealthy is Death's Shadow Jund, and Bauble is the card that breaks the deck wide open. Being forced to play something in that spot instead of just having a 52 card deck would knock it down a peg and put in on par with the Grixis builds. Plus it's the only 0 cmc cantrip left in the format, which, combined with the fact that I'm pretty sure WotC doesn't like Modern format staples to be uncommons from a decade ago that cost $40+ dollars a piece, puts it in the crosshairs.
I doubt there will ever be another unbanning after the Grave-Troll debacle.
EDIT: Also, the Preordain/Stirrings discussion is absurd. Stirrings is good if you build around it; Preordain is basically a mandatory 4-of in any deck that even splashes blue. Serum Visions is everywhere and it's literally Serum Visions.
I'd argue that Street Wraith is the more likely ban. It can be cycled at instant speed for no mana, helps fuel delirium and pumps Death's Shadow. It makes Death's Shadow itself, a slightly worse threat and reduces the consistency of both Jund and Grixis variants. That's IF WotC deems the deck as being bad for eating up so much metashare.
Also, on Ancient Stirrings, it's too efficient with all the pushed colorless shenanigans going on. Colorless used to be a deckbuilding restraint, but it's not. Decks that run stirrings are decks that are already so heavily invested into colorless that it's not really a downside. It's kind of like saying that playing Snapcaster Mage is a build around card, when really it's just a card that rewards you for playing magic the way you were already going to play it.
Now, does that mean it needs a ban, or that Preordain should come off because Ancient Stirrings is so dang good? Probably not, but let's not kid ourselves into believing that Ancient Stirrings deck building restraints are any sort of speed bump dragging down it's inherent power.
Side note, KCI Eggs is the real deal. I wouldn't be surprised to see tons of people picking this up in paper.
I'd argue that Street Wraith is the more likely ban. It can be cycled at instant speed for no mana, helps fuel delirium and pumps Death's Shadow. It makes Death's Shadow itself, a slightly worse threat and reduces the consistency of both Jund and Grixis variants. That's IF WotC deems the deck as being bad for eating up so much metashare.
The parallels between Bauble and Probe are what makes me pretty certain it will hit the chopping block. Putting an artifact in your graveyard for 0 mana is far more powerful in Delirium decks than spending life to put a creature there, but I could see them banning both or just Bauble. Street Wraith is pretty much only good when paired with Mr. Shadow, whereas Bauble turns on Delirium for cards other than Traverse. Plus Bauble triggers Revolt, which is another reason why it's so powerful in Death's Shadow Jund.
Prediction: Mishra's Bauble will be banned as the only (Modern) change. The only deck right now in Modern right now that could be called unhealthy is Death's Shadow Jund, and Bauble is the card that breaks the deck wide open. Being forced to play something in that spot instead of just having a 52 card deck would knock it down a peg and put in on par with the Grixis builds. Plus it's the only 0 cmc cantrip left in the format, which, combined with the fact that I'm pretty sure WotC doesn't like Modern format staples to be uncommons from a decade ago that cost $40+ dollars a piece, puts it in the crosshairs.
I doubt there will ever be another unbanning after the Grave-Troll debacle.
EDIT: Also, the Preordain/Stirrings discussion is absurd. Stirrings is good if you build around it; Preordain is basically a mandatory 4-of in any deck that even splashes blue. Serum Visions is everywhere and it's literally Serum Visions.
It's street wraith imo that breaks it open and it's also free. The life cost is helpful for any version of DS and the price increase is from the lack of availability. Coldsnap didn't sell well and wasn't a big print run. Street wraith is 8 dollars as a common and is better. A bauble banning would just increase architect of wills as the next cycle go to in grixis builds and possibly even dsj.
Also the mandatory 4 of status for preordain in Bant Eldrazi? would it really be better than stirrings I doubt it.
It's street wraith imo that breaks it open and it's also free. The life cost is helpful for any version of DS and the price increase is from the lack of availability. Coldsnap didn't sell well and wasn't a big print run. Street wraith is 8 dollars as a common and is better. A bauble banning would just increase architect of wills as the next cycle go to in grixis builds and possibly even dsj.
Also the mandatory 4 of status for preordain in Bant Eldrazi? would it really be better than stirrings I doubt it.
All true, I think WotC will target DSJ specifically but we'll see. I think people on this forum underestimate how good Bauble really is in Death's Shadow Jund, though. Architects of Will in place of Bauble would significantly hurt DSJ because it would remove its best turn one and two plays, which are what make that deck Tier 0. And Grixis already doesn't play anything in place of Bauble cuz it prefers Snapcasters and Thought Scours.
And true, Preordain wouldn't be in Bant Eldrazi, but that's the only blue deck that wouldn't run it, and it wouldn't run it because it's built to abuse Stirrings.
I hear you, honestly being a mandatory spell isn't a bad thing. It's mandatory that if you're running white you're running path somewhere in the 75. If you're runnning red most likely you will see lightning bolt and green outside of elves you're going to see goyf. It's the nature of how these decks work. There will always be best cards in colors and even mandatory spells. I don't think that makes it a boogeyman for helping the color.
I hear you, honestly being a mandatory spell isn't a bad thing. It's mandatory that if you're running white you're running path somewhere in the 75. If you're runnning red most likely you will see lightning bolt and green outside of elves you're going to see goyf. It's the nature of how these decks work. There will always be best cards in colors and even mandatory spells. I don't think that makes it a boogeyman for helping the color.
Well, Preordain is close to the power level of Ponder and Brainstorm, all three of which see play in all eternal formats in which they are allowed. The problem (as WotC sees it) is that a mandatory cantrip is not simply the best version of other cards in your deck (why play any 1 cmc red spell over Lightning Bolt? Same with 2 cmc green beaters over Goyf) but actually makes every other card in your deck better. Plus, with things like Miracle cards being legal in a format without FoW, Preordain creates a ton of new combo decks simply by being legal while also buffing every existing blue combo and control deck.
WotC has clearly decided that Modern is the only eternal format in which blue doesn't dominate (which I'm fine with), and keeping blue cantrips like Preordain out of it is a part of that decision. As a former Legacy player, it took me a while to adjust, but I think Serum Visions is the best version of this card that we actually want in Modern.
I don't think counterspell would even be that good in modern, either. It'd be played but nothing broken.
Also, I've made this point about a million times but I guess I'm going to keep making it. If every single card had a colorless counterpart then there would be literally zero "cost" associated with ancient stirrings. Obviously that would never happen but the gap keeps closing; at what point is the "cost" associated with getting to run ancient stirrings negligible compared to the benefit you get from it?
It's not about Blue being OP. It's about Blue being at the absolute bottom (and you can't really argue about this point).
Anyway, I'm fine with Serum Visions, and I think it's a good enough card for Modern. The issue is when you have cantrips in green (also Oath of Nissa isn't a joke) that do the scrying job better. Anyway, I like the format and I hope some new prints may help some blue's cronical problems.
I mean, someone's gotta be on the bottom, right? Blue has its place in Modern, but almost always as a "guest" color, rarely the main attraction. It's often the key component of a three-color deck (Grixis being the best example, but Esper has its moments). And Merfolk is a deck again, which is the truest blue deck Modern will ever see, and which I expect will continue to be good as they print more relevant cards for it.
Green is the best color in Modern, which makes up for the fact that it's the whipping boy of Legacy and Vintage. Black is just good everywhere. Thoughtseize for President.
I would like to have all five colors equally playable.
There has never been anything approaching color parity in Magic cards, and I doubt such a task is even possible. The line between "format defining" and "utterly broken" is very thin, and often depends on players seeing interactions years after the original card was printed. Just keeping up the pace that WotC does and not breaking the game or printing piles of utter crap every few months is impressive.
I keep playing Magic because of its ever-shifting landscape of play possibilities: back when I started playing around Urza's block, blue was far and away the best color and artifacts were second best. Then Invasion block brought about a more balanced color pie that de-emphasized artifacts and really brought multicolored cards into the limelight, meaning that there were combinations of colors (RG, UB, GB) that were clearly the best.
Tarmogoyf was printed (which single-handedly kicked green from bottom to middle in terms of relative color power), and now Eldrazi and devoid cards are pushing power limits for every deck like artifacts of yore. It's a cycle, and if you wait long enough and pay attention to all of the formats, your favorite color will come out on top eventually.
Merfolk is a deck again, which is the truest blue deck Modern will ever see, and which I expect will continue to be good as they print more relevant cards for it.
I would not bother to call Merfolk as a blue deck. It is more like hatebear elves that just happens to have random color identity. Linear aggro isn't something blue should do in modern.
Ancient Stirrings would be my vote for anything to go but I also dislike banning more cards. Stirrings is a broken card in the decks that play due to having no downside (Tron, Lantern, Scrap Trawlololer Combo, Bant Eldrazi) and looking at the top 5 from lands(temple, tron lands), answer(EE, Bridge, Karn) or threats(too many to count..) is way too good.
I'm ok with a Stoneforge or Preordain unban. Ancestral Vision did nothing but give us false hope.
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Backtracking a bit to counterspells, I think stubborn denial is the best counter right now in modern. It looks good out of the grixis shadow decks. They run some tasigurs/gurmags in there, and it's basically a one mana negate. It's not too bad out of affinity and bant eldrazi too. Ferocious isn't hard to turn on.
I hear you, honestly being a mandatory spell isn't a bad thing. It's mandatory that if you're running white you're running path somewhere in the 75. If you're runnning red most likely you will see lightning bolt and green outside of elves you're going to see goyf. It's the nature of how these decks work. There will always be best cards in colors and even mandatory spells. I don't think that makes it a boogeyman for helping the color.
Well, Preordain is close to the power level of Ponder and Brainstorm, all three of which see play in all eternal formats in which they are allowed. The problem (as WotC sees it) is that a mandatory cantrip is not simply the best version of other cards in your deck (why play any 1 cmc red spell over Lightning Bolt? Same with 2 cmc green beaters over Goyf) but actually makes every other card in your deck better. Plus, with things like Miracle cards being legal in a format without FoW, Preordain creates a ton of new combo decks simply by being legal while also buffing every existing blue combo and control deck.
WotC has clearly decided that Modern is the only eternal format in which blue doesn't dominate (which I'm fine with), and keeping blue cantrips like Preordain out of it is a part of that decision. As a former Legacy player, it took me a while to adjust, but I think Serum Visions is the best version of this card that we actually want in Modern.
Preordain and Ponder are fairly close, yes, but there's still a gap between them - with Ponder being better. There's an even larger gap between Ponder and Brainstorm. The issue for Modern is that the gap between Serum Visions and Preordain is probably larger than that of Ponder to Brainstorm. I happen to think it's a safe unban, particularly because I think it would do very little for Storm or Ad Nauseam, but I can see the other arguments.
In terms of playability, Preordain is only in all-in combo decks in Legacy, such as Reanimator. And often just as a 2-of so those decks run 10 total cantrips. In Vintage Preordain is played as a playset very often but that's because both Ponder and Brainstorm are restricted to only 1 copy each.
In response to preordained helping a modern miracles deck; that is the instance where there isn't much of a difference between preordain and serum visions. Preordain is better at finding the card you want right now, if you are just hoping to set up your draw step next turn for a miracle then serum is nearly the same.
Also, miracles has had index, mystic speculation, and sage of Epityr this whole time, so i think if a miracles deck was going to happen the tools are already there. (Not saying any of these options are as powerful as preordain, just saying that for miracles there are already several ways to manipulate the top of the library)
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switched from Grixis control to Grixis Death's Shadow, played 2 events with it. It feels powerful but I dunno if ban worthy. I feel like I've played it and against other DS variants enough to feel that while the deck is powerful, I dunno if it's broken enough to ban anything from.
I feel some people just hate playing against the deck and I guess I understand why. The deck can seem powerful and hard to play against
I just wish people would stop the ban mania talk that they always do in this thread. Every time a new deck starts getting results or a new deck enters tier one all we ever talk about is what to ban from the deck. These kind of bans don't fix the format and just lead to more bans
I just wish people would stop the ban mania talk that they always do in this thread. Every time a new deck starts getting results or a new deck enters tier one all we ever talk about is what to bad from the deck. These kind of bans don't fix the format and just lead to more bans
Blame Wizards. This is how they have chosen to manage formats, whether we like it or not. I fully agree though, that more bans just lead to even more bans. It's a horrible way of managing the format.
Architects of Will? Why not Conjurer's Bauble? Seems like a better option.
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How is it better? Architects adds 2 types to the yard for the same cost, and doesn't remove one from your yard. You even have to pay the bauble mana at sorcery speed. What upside do you see in Bauble that isn't available with Architects?
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Nope. There is a thing called "balance", and I would like to have all five colors equally playable.
Anyway, Black and Green are overwhelming better than the others. And, as I always dislike bans, I would like just new prints. The incoming set seems a good start, we'll see.
This has never happened in any format ever. There is always a stronger color(s) then the others.
Just popping in to say I dont think anything changes on Monday. No deck is unbeatable. The format is in a good place.
Returning one of your sure to die DS or goyfs to your library. I did miss the dual type though so that makes more sense as an option. Do you need to put a card back into your library? The "up to one" had me think I could chose zero.
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Maverick is decent, but it's low tier 2 if you want to be generous.
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I doubt there will ever be another unbanning after the Grave-Troll debacle.
EDIT: Also, the Preordain/Stirrings discussion is absurd. Stirrings is good if you build around it; Preordain is basically a mandatory 4-of in any deck that even splashes blue. Serum Visions is everywhere and it's literally Serum Visions.
I disagree with the above. Notably, I don't think WotC views Modern as a flagship of the game; if anything they want it to be less visible than it currently is, as standard and limited are the primary magic money-makers for WotC. I still believe that they are unsure of how to manage the format and capitalize on its popularity. I feel like they thought it would be more simple than it has turned out to be and are unwilling to put the resources into actively managing/designing for the format.
Secondly, I don't think the ponder/preordain bans are related to a desire for games to play out differently. Really, it has more to do with being careful around the potential for powerful combos (which they do not want to be too consistent). The broader desire for more in-game variance (which, I suspect is not strongly related to deck diversity) is not likely something they are shooting for.
However, I do agree that they have used bans in the past to "shake up" the format; this was especially true when we had pro tours and there was a spotlight on the format. Going forward, I'm not sure if that will be the case.
I'd argue that Street Wraith is the more likely ban. It can be cycled at instant speed for no mana, helps fuel delirium and pumps Death's Shadow. It makes Death's Shadow itself, a slightly worse threat and reduces the consistency of both Jund and Grixis variants. That's IF WotC deems the deck as being bad for eating up so much metashare.
Also, on Ancient Stirrings, it's too efficient with all the pushed colorless shenanigans going on. Colorless used to be a deckbuilding restraint, but it's not. Decks that run stirrings are decks that are already so heavily invested into colorless that it's not really a downside. It's kind of like saying that playing Snapcaster Mage is a build around card, when really it's just a card that rewards you for playing magic the way you were already going to play it.
Now, does that mean it needs a ban, or that Preordain should come off because Ancient Stirrings is so dang good? Probably not, but let's not kid ourselves into believing that Ancient Stirrings deck building restraints are any sort of speed bump dragging down it's inherent power.
Side note, KCI Eggs is the real deal. I wouldn't be surprised to see tons of people picking this up in paper.
The parallels between Bauble and Probe are what makes me pretty certain it will hit the chopping block. Putting an artifact in your graveyard for 0 mana is far more powerful in Delirium decks than spending life to put a creature there, but I could see them banning both or just Bauble. Street Wraith is pretty much only good when paired with Mr. Shadow, whereas Bauble turns on Delirium for cards other than Traverse. Plus Bauble triggers Revolt, which is another reason why it's so powerful in Death's Shadow Jund.
It's street wraith imo that breaks it open and it's also free. The life cost is helpful for any version of DS and the price increase is from the lack of availability. Coldsnap didn't sell well and wasn't a big print run. Street wraith is 8 dollars as a common and is better. A bauble banning would just increase architect of wills as the next cycle go to in grixis builds and possibly even dsj.
Also the mandatory 4 of status for preordain in Bant Eldrazi? would it really be better than stirrings I doubt it.
All true, I think WotC will target DSJ specifically but we'll see. I think people on this forum underestimate how good Bauble really is in Death's Shadow Jund, though. Architects of Will in place of Bauble would significantly hurt DSJ because it would remove its best turn one and two plays, which are what make that deck Tier 0. And Grixis already doesn't play anything in place of Bauble cuz it prefers Snapcasters and Thought Scours.
And true, Preordain wouldn't be in Bant Eldrazi, but that's the only blue deck that wouldn't run it, and it wouldn't run it because it's built to abuse Stirrings.
Well, Preordain is close to the power level of Ponder and Brainstorm, all three of which see play in all eternal formats in which they are allowed. The problem (as WotC sees it) is that a mandatory cantrip is not simply the best version of other cards in your deck (why play any 1 cmc red spell over Lightning Bolt? Same with 2 cmc green beaters over Goyf) but actually makes every other card in your deck better. Plus, with things like Miracle cards being legal in a format without FoW, Preordain creates a ton of new combo decks simply by being legal while also buffing every existing blue combo and control deck.
WotC has clearly decided that Modern is the only eternal format in which blue doesn't dominate (which I'm fine with), and keeping blue cantrips like Preordain out of it is a part of that decision. As a former Legacy player, it took me a while to adjust, but I think Serum Visions is the best version of this card that we actually want in Modern.
Also, I've made this point about a million times but I guess I'm going to keep making it. If every single card had a colorless counterpart then there would be literally zero "cost" associated with ancient stirrings. Obviously that would never happen but the gap keeps closing; at what point is the "cost" associated with getting to run ancient stirrings negligible compared to the benefit you get from it?
I mean, someone's gotta be on the bottom, right? Blue has its place in Modern, but almost always as a "guest" color, rarely the main attraction. It's often the key component of a three-color deck (Grixis being the best example, but Esper has its moments). And Merfolk is a deck again, which is the truest blue deck Modern will ever see, and which I expect will continue to be good as they print more relevant cards for it.
Green is the best color in Modern, which makes up for the fact that it's the whipping boy of Legacy and Vintage. Black is just good everywhere. Thoughtseize for President.
There has never been anything approaching color parity in Magic cards, and I doubt such a task is even possible. The line between "format defining" and "utterly broken" is very thin, and often depends on players seeing interactions years after the original card was printed. Just keeping up the pace that WotC does and not breaking the game or printing piles of utter crap every few months is impressive.
I keep playing Magic because of its ever-shifting landscape of play possibilities: back when I started playing around Urza's block, blue was far and away the best color and artifacts were second best. Then Invasion block brought about a more balanced color pie that de-emphasized artifacts and really brought multicolored cards into the limelight, meaning that there were combinations of colors (RG, UB, GB) that were clearly the best.
Tarmogoyf was printed (which single-handedly kicked green from bottom to middle in terms of relative color power), and now Eldrazi and devoid cards are pushing power limits for every deck like artifacts of yore. It's a cycle, and if you wait long enough and pay attention to all of the formats, your favorite color will come out on top eventually.
I would not bother to call Merfolk as a blue deck. It is more like hatebear elves that just happens to have random color identity. Linear aggro isn't something blue should do in modern.
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Ancient Stirrings would be my vote for anything to go but I also dislike banning more cards. Stirrings is a broken card in the decks that play due to having no downside (Tron, Lantern, Scrap Trawlololer Combo, Bant Eldrazi) and looking at the top 5 from lands(temple, tron lands), answer(EE, Bridge, Karn) or threats(too many to count..) is way too good.
I'm ok with a Stoneforge or Preordain unban. Ancestral Vision did nothing but give us false hope.
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In terms of playability, Preordain is only in all-in combo decks in Legacy, such as Reanimator. And often just as a 2-of so those decks run 10 total cantrips. In Vintage Preordain is played as a playset very often but that's because both Ponder and Brainstorm are restricted to only 1 copy each.
Standard: lol no
Modern: BG/x, UR/x, Burn, Merfolk, Zoo, Storm
Legacy: Shardless BUG, Delver (BUG, RUG, Grixis), Landstill, Depths Combo, Merfolk
Vintage: Dark Times, BUG Fish, Merfolk
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I feel some people just hate playing against the deck and I guess I understand why. The deck can seem powerful and hard to play against
Blame Wizards. This is how they have chosen to manage formats, whether we like it or not. I fully agree though, that more bans just lead to even more bans. It's a horrible way of managing the format.
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BRU Thrax
GR Ruric
I advocate for the elimination of the combo archetype in Modern. I believe it is degenerate and unfun by its very nature and will always limit design space and cause unnecessary bans.
KnightfallGWUR
Azorius Control UW
Burn RBG
This has never happened in any format ever. There is always a stronger color(s) then the others.
Just popping in to say I dont think anything changes on Monday. No deck is unbeatable. The format is in a good place.
GB Rock
U Flooding Merfolk
RUG Delver Midrange
WU Monks
UW Tempo Geist
GW Bogle
GW Liege
UR Tron
B Vampires
Affinity
Legacy
Fish
Goblins
Burn
Reanimator
Dredge
Affinity
EDH
W Akroma
GBW Ghave
BRU Thrax
GR Ruric
I advocate for the elimination of the combo archetype in Modern. I believe it is degenerate and unfun by its very nature and will always limit design space and cause unnecessary bans.