GP Vancouver looks good so far. Jund doing good is always good news. Hopefully this continues at Day 2.
Why is "Jund going good" good news overall? Or is it just your personal opinion as a Jund fan?
Jund doing well means the format allows interactive and slower decks to succeed. That's good for Modern diversity and suggests the format isn't as linear and non-interactive as many claim.
That said, GP Brisbane results suggest blue decks were poorly positioned again. Maybe T32 or Day 2 data challenges that picture, and perhaps GP Van sees blue doing better.
Very impressive that he made 21st place with no byes. The tie-breaker thing makes me think that moving forward, if the data is made available by WOTC we should be using point finishes rather than positional finishes to judge the metagame.
Guys please opinions on japanese cards. Lost a 3/3 creature against Japan celestial colonade. This guy played all creatures and spells in english cards, but some cards in his manabase was japanese. I dont registrated this really ( my brain say its all fine and all english to me lets attack his empty board)...and i am sure it is a Kind of legal cheating. It is not ok, but i know legal. I Hate such people. I never forget colonade normally, but with this Tricks it can happen one time in 3 years and such people take advantage of this
If I am a customer spending premium amount of dollars, I expect a premium service. Jund falls into the category of a premium deck costing more dollars than a majority of the rest of the format. I'm not getting the desired performance ratio per dollars spent out of the Jund deck because WOTC decided to make the format more diverse.
Guys please opinions on japanese cards. Lost a 3/3 creature against Japan celestial colonade. This guy played all creatures and spells in english cards, but some cards in his manabase was japanese. I dont registrated this really ( my brain say its all fine and all english to me lets attack his empty board)...and i am sure it is a Kind of legal cheating. It is not ok, but i know legal. I Hate such people. I never forget colonade normally, but with this Tricks it can happen one time in 3 years and such people take advantage of this
If I am a customer spending premium amount of dollars, I expect a premium service. Jund falls into the category of a premium deck costing more dollars than a majority of the rest of the format. I'm not getting the desired performance ratio per dollars spent out of the Jund deck because WOTC decided to make the format more diverse.
Kinda impressed the Sahaeli combo did so well, interesting that he says you need to be more proactive
I've played the Esper PW deck, it's absolutely not a blue deck, it's a GBx deck that splashes blue for basically
serum visions
esper charm
Narset
It's hard to pilot, and despite it's creator calling it proactive, it's incredibly slow in most of its draws. The creator of that deck even says himself it's not a blue deck
Blue is still looking like hot garbage, but i'm glad to see Copy Cat gaining some traction. Blue still needs a major piece unbanned.
Blue is still looking like hot garbage, but i'm glad to see Copy Cat gaining some traction. Blue still needs a major piece unbanned.
I don't k now if I'd call one guy catching a room off guard by a deck nobody expected as "gaining some traction." I mean, even Jeskai Nahiri had multiple placements and an SCG Open win early in its debut.
Cool to see he's trying it, but I don't believe in the least bit it is good enough for consistent success in Modern.
Main point, blue is not the only form of control. AND, Lantern is as reactive as a deck can be. We can split hairs until tomorrow, but the fact is that a reactive control deck just won a GP.
Wow, lots of Ramp decks or lands using Eldrazi Temple, I dislike that--a lot.
I feel like most of the top 32 looked like ramp decks and midrange. Interesting. I'm surprised by burns lack of results, it seemed like such a good call. Affinity didn't do that well either. I'm surprised aggro isn't more apparent with so much ramp, midrange must really be ruining them.
Abzan did a little better than Jund in Brisbane, but I'm still frustrated that no Junk players can agree on what a list should look like
Main point, blue is not the only form of control. AND, Lantern is as reactive as a deck can be. We can split hairs until tomorrow, but the fact is that a reactive control deck just won a GP.
The issue isn't control. It's blue-based control. Wizards claimed that the Twin ban would open up the meta for other similar blue strategies, and this hasn't happened at all. In fact, it's closed off to them at tournament after tournament since late summer 2016. It would be one thing if blue-based control hadn't been around in any form and was still struggling. That's the issue poor white is facing. It's another issue entirely when blue-based control has a great Tier 1 deck, then Wizards bans it because they believe a replacement will emerge, and then the replacement never emerges. That's really *****ty for players and the format, and clearly wasn't Wizards' intention.
Depending on Vancouver and it's result, do you believe twin should be unbanned if Wotc absolutely does not want preordain to ever come off the bat list?
Looking at those decklists, I really hate Eldrazi Tron right now. I am a dedicated Tron player, and Wizards has apparently just gone nuts this past Standard, some of these decks are playing just one Karn, most aren't playing any! Wizards did some really unhealthy things with colorless if Karn isn't being played anymore. And now I want to play against Eldrazi Tron just to prove that I can stomp it with my 4 Karn 2 Ugin list
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Are we not getting any day 2 data outside of the top 32 or did I miss where it has been posted. I have been looking forward to seeing the day 2's of the GP's for a couple weeks.
No video coverage for GP Brisbane, Australia gets shafted when it comes to that stuff.
Why is "Jund going good" good news overall? Or is it just your personal opinion as a Jund fan?
Jund doing well means the format allows interactive and slower decks to succeed. That's good for Modern diversity and suggests the format isn't as linear and non-interactive as many claim.
That said, GP Brisbane results suggest blue decks were poorly positioned again. Maybe T32 or Day 2 data challenges that picture, and perhaps GP Van sees blue doing better.
"doesn't matter, not Twin" - salty ex-Twin player
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Big Johnny.
Yeah it really isn't.
I mean at least it has some remand? It's a nice aggressive shell though.
Lots of cool decks, the winner had the Dredge hate, a competitive Esper list, RW prison, Lantern, I think the top 32 would look good.
I'm really interested in the day 2 Vancouver numbers.
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http://magic.wizards.com/en/events/coverage/gpbri17/9-32-decklists-2017-02-19
*****loads of Eldrazi and Tron in this bracket
I've played the Esper PW deck, it's absolutely not a blue deck, it's a GBx deck that splashes blue for basically
serum visions
esper charm
Narset
It's hard to pilot, and despite it's creator calling it proactive, it's incredibly slow in most of its draws. The creator of that deck even says himself it's not a blue deck
Blue is still looking like hot garbage, but i'm glad to see Copy Cat gaining some traction. Blue still needs a major piece unbanned.
http://magic.wizards.com/en/events/coverage/gpbri17/9-32-decklists-2017-02-19
Eldrazi Tron 111
Bant Eldrazi 111
Titanshift 11
Abzan 11
Jund 1
Knightfall 1
Lantern Control 1
Infect 1
Grishoalbrand 1
Esper PWs 1
BTL Scapeshift 1
GW Tron 1
Death's Shadow Jund 1
Copy Cat 1
Naya Midrange 1
Esper Delve 1
Eldrazi & Taxes 1
Temur Omen Scapeshift 1
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Big Johnny.
Control is obviously dead.
I don't k now if I'd call one guy catching a room off guard by a deck nobody expected as "gaining some traction." I mean, even Jeskai Nahiri had multiple placements and an SCG Open win early in its debut.
Cool to see he's trying it, but I don't believe in the least bit it is good enough for consistent success in Modern.
UR ....... WUBR ........... WB ............. RGW ........ UBR ....... WUB .... BGU
Spells / Blink & Combo / Token Grind / Dino Tribal / Draw Cards / Zombies / Reanimate
That's a prison deck, calm down
Prison is a form of control.
Main point, blue is not the only form of control. AND, Lantern is as reactive as a deck can be. We can split hairs until tomorrow, but the fact is that a reactive control deck just won a GP.
I feel like most of the top 32 looked like ramp decks and midrange. Interesting. I'm surprised by burns lack of results, it seemed like such a good call. Affinity didn't do that well either. I'm surprised aggro isn't more apparent with so much ramp, midrange must really be ruining them.
Abzan did a little better than Jund in Brisbane, but I'm still frustrated that no Junk players can agree on what a list should look like
It's reactionary after it lays down it's pieces, it's a combo deck that assembles and then reacts heavily (and a tough deck to play).
As of now, blue doesn't have the tools to be reactive, and therefore, blue control sucks
Lantern is proactive, it puts down it's bells and bridges, with insight and THEN reacts.
Lantern is not Control any more than Bant Eldrazi is a Blue deck.
I also take offense that a Jund meta is a good one...lol
I suppose we all have our bias.
Spirits
I mean, using that line of logic, all decks are proactive, after all they all aim to execute a game plan.
The issue isn't control. It's blue-based control. Wizards claimed that the Twin ban would open up the meta for other similar blue strategies, and this hasn't happened at all. In fact, it's closed off to them at tournament after tournament since late summer 2016. It would be one thing if blue-based control hadn't been around in any form and was still struggling. That's the issue poor white is facing. It's another issue entirely when blue-based control has a great Tier 1 deck, then Wizards bans it because they believe a replacement will emerge, and then the replacement never emerges. That's really *****ty for players and the format, and clearly wasn't Wizards' intention.
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