I believe for alot of people commander is their new modern. you invest in standard, have the cards rotate out, and then your stuck with all these cards that everyone knows damn well won't hold up in any modern game. so what's a player to do? convert the deck into a commander deck!
I think wizards sees this shift and is now catering to the commander market rather than the modern market. prices in stores now I feel are being dictated by commander, breya wrecked local artifact prices when it came to less played old gems collecting dust in boxes at the store. all of a sudden those cards are a rare commodity simply from a pre built commander deck.
it's like modern in the comparison that it has a huge card pool, with nearly everything playable and viable. this allows people to build in all sorts of different ways.
In my opinion I feel like this is one of the main reasons people are leaving modern and going to commander, I see it in my local community. there's a nearly 0 turn out locally for modern, but you'll always find guys playing either standard or commander.
commander is almost nostalgic in the fact that it's like the old days of playing magic before the internet changed the fundamentals. you've got a cool collection of cards sitting around and after a few hours of trying to trade locally and using what you've got, you've put this hodge podge of a deck together and your down at the local shop winning a few games one afternoon.
of course this is just my opinion, what do you all think? modern was appealing for a while to stay on a 60 card format but it just feels hostile to get into. maybe that's just me
I have 2 shops here, one is nothing but Modern, the other rotates Modern, Standard, Draft, and Commander. Both shops are successful, and again 1 run's nothing but competitive level Modern...
I believe for alot of people commander is their new modern. you invest in standard, have the cards rotate out, and then your stuck with all these cards that everyone knows damn well won't hold up in any modern game. so what's a player to do? convert the deck into a commander deck!
I think wizards sees this shift and is now catering to the commander market rather than the modern market. prices in stores now I feel are being dictated by commander, breya wrecked local artifact prices when it came to less played old gems collecting dust in boxes at the store. all of a sudden those cards are a rare commodity simply from a pre built commander deck.
it's like modern in the comparison that it has a huge card pool, with nearly everything playable and viable. this allows people to build in all sorts of different ways.
In my opinion I feel like this is one of the main reasons people are leaving modern and going to commander, I see it in my local community. there's a nearly 0 turn out locally for modern, but you'll always find guys playing either standard or commander.
commander is almost nostalgic in the fact that it's like the old days of playing magic before the internet changed the fundamentals. you've got a cool collection of cards sitting around and after a few hours of trying to trade locally and using what you've got, you've put this hodge podge of a deck together and your down at the local shop winning a few games one afternoon.
of course this is just my opinion, what do you all think? modern was appealing for a while to stay on a 60 card format but it just feels hostile to get into. maybe that's just me
There will be exceptions to the norm, but most shops are going to probably start catering to other formats eventually. It's always possible to have a community that is very strong with modern simply because there are a lot of people from that time and place with the cards on hand. For a lot of places that just isn't the case, though, and a great many people depend on steady reprintings from wizards to break into formats or build affordable decks. Commander is one of those formats where people only need singletons so it greatly diminishes the spiky nature on costs. Unfortunately, this means that speculators will swoop in and start jacking prices up much like how things are looking in modern (kind of like the US pharmaceutical industry, actually). I think for commander to be truly supportable it would have to cut out the legality of reserve list cards, but that is probably a conversation for the EDH / Commander forum.
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You really need to start defining what you mean by 'supportable'. Its not really relevant anyway, because the current outcry is about tournament support, visibility support, and NOT in any way, shape, or form, about reprint support, which anyone who approaches logically, understands already.
I believe for alot of people commander is their new modern. you invest in standard, have the cards rotate out, and then your stuck with all these cards that everyone knows damn well won't hold up in any modern game. so what's a player to do? convert the deck into a commander deck!
I think wizards sees this shift and is now catering to the commander market rather than the modern market. prices in stores now I feel are being dictated by commander, breya wrecked local artifact prices when it came to less played old gems collecting dust in boxes at the store. all of a sudden those cards are a rare commodity simply from a pre built commander deck.
it's like modern in the comparison that it has a huge card pool, with nearly everything playable and viable. this allows people to build in all sorts of different ways.
In my opinion I feel like this is one of the main reasons people are leaving modern and going to commander, I see it in my local community. there's a nearly 0 turn out locally for modern, but you'll always find guys playing either standard or commander.
commander is almost nostalgic in the fact that it's like the old days of playing magic before the internet changed the fundamentals. you've got a cool collection of cards sitting around and after a few hours of trying to trade locally and using what you've got, you've put this hodge podge of a deck together and your down at the local shop winning a few games one afternoon.
of course this is just my opinion, what do you all think? modern was appealing for a while to stay on a 60 card format but it just feels hostile to get into. maybe that's just me
There will be exceptions to the norm, but most shops are going to probably start catering to other formats eventually. It's always possible to have a community that is very strong with modern simply because there are a lot of people from that time and place with the cards on hand. For a lot of places that just isn't the case, though, and a great many people depend on steady reprintings from wizards to break into formats or build affordable decks. Commander is one of those formats where people only need singletons so it greatly diminishes the spiky nature on costs. Unfortunately, this means that speculators will swoop in and start jacking prices up much like how things are looking in modern (kind of like the US pharmaceutical industry, actually). I think for commander to be truly supportable it would have to cut out the legality of reserve list cards, but that is probably a conversation for the EDH / Commander forum.
Commander can be just as bad about spiking cards. Why do you think a card like Doubling Season is as expensive as it currently is? Commander drives prices nearly as much as Modern does. They just tend to do it to different cards.
Edit: @blakepr has fallen silent. I got a few responses from him, but they where about me saying his Update was uninformative. I kept pressing for details on Modern, but he refused to give up anything. He told me the Daily MTG is not the place to look for this sort of info, so I asked where the Modern community should look. He has not responded. Nor has Trick, Aaron, Helene, Sam, @MagicProTour, @Wizards_Jobs, @Wizards_Help, or Rosewater. I've also seen no responses on Reddit, a place that I was lead to believe Wizards staff frequented. This sort of radio silence is pathetic, insulting, and unprofessional.
At what point in time did Modern fall out of favor with Wizards?
No evidence of ever.
This thread went to ***** after I went to bed, again falling back on cost. That's a dead end of conversation and impact on the game.
People should be focusing like Oops on getting communication and interaction out of Wizards.
What do we want out of Modern, how best can we get it, and can Wizards help?
The cost complaints are hilariously off target when it's CHEAPER THAN STANDARD.
"What do we want? An open line of communication! When do we want it? Whenever Hasbro approves the official PR statement!" - What I imagined after reading your post.
Really though, I think you hit the nail on the head in regards to both cost and company-consumer transparency. Cost is an irrelevant argument in the grand scheme of things, but there will always be *****ing and moaning regardless. Reaching out to the powers that be at WoTC/Hasbro and voicing support for modern is really our only constructive course of action, however, I don't suspect that any amount of player feedback will be enough to trigger a response before MM17 is officially released. That doesn't really matter so long as those at the top are aware of the community's concerns and support regarding the format.
Here's a great article that focuses mostly on MTGO/MDN, but it also gives you an idea of what's happening behind the scenes at Hasbro. At the end of the day, the company-shareholder relationship always trumps that of the company and player base. It puts WoTC in a *****ty spot, because despite however they may feel about something like the state of modern, they are not at liberty to share those sentiments with players. WoTC/MTG is Hasbro's flagship subsidiary and, because of this, they don't possess the kind of autonomy that would allow them to have unfiltered communication with players. It doesn't take much to shake up investors (especially in this case, since I'd assume most of them probably haven't ever even held a Magic card let alone played a game) and this leads to heavy micromanaging by Hasbro PR. With the torch being passed on to a new President at WoTC, the new regime literally took over when Hasbro stock is at an all-time high; I'm sure that's a hard act to follow. Despite the fact that infinite continuous growth is impossible, we're still witnessing the pursuit in the form of masterpiece/inventions/chase cards and PT coverage going all-in on standard. Of course WoTC/Hasbro is well aware that formats like modern bolster the longevity and value of their product; I can't see a scenario where officially disowning modern ends up being a wise business decision. If anything, I wouldn't be surprised to see them attempt to bridge the gap between modern and legacy (ala "non reserve list legacy"). Either way, all signs point toward a revamped digital client as the future and carving out a chunk of that market is currently their number one priority. Until that comes into fruition, they're gonna shill the **** out of standard in order to keep stock prices on the up and up. The new president is supposedly an avid player, so assuming that's actually true, I'm cautiously optimistic that Modern will be perfectly fine in the long run even if it gets put on the back burner for an indefinite period of time.
As a corporate slave (:p) myself, I loved that article because its quite easy to see the lines of thought that put that all together.
Digital is literally printing money, its inane to not leverage it better than they have, and as someone in software...MTGO is painful to use though I do, all the time.
They can 100% continue the promotion of Standard like I mentioned yesterday, they dont have to stop at all. What they simply need to do, is something like a 'Modern Monday' article. Whats up with the meta, whats up with upcoming events, what cool decks have done a 5-0 in MTGO, trends, WHATEVER.
Thats a start. A quarterly 'State of the Modern Union' article, say...with the Ban Announcement release. Wow, how nice would that be? 30 minutes of effort.
Then, well at that point start putting an emphasis on Modern. Stop with the fear mongering 'omg LANTERN guys, we dont want game play like that' well, some do, and Magic is better, and bigger, than 'I turn my Rhino sideways'. Start embracing what makes Magic great to a wider range of people.
This is definitely at play here, but many players believe Wizards has pushed it too far towards Standard and too far away from Modern. There is a persistent feeling that Standard is being forced on players at the expense of Modern, which many would prefer. This is compounded by continued terrible communication on Wizards' intent and their plan for the format, as well as an chronic (almost comical at this point) failure to proactively address worries when announcing these kinds of changes.
For every one if those unhappy players, there are happy ones not complaining. Who is Wotc to cater to? The complainers? Or those spending money at LGS and busting packs because they are enjoying the game/format? Where some see failure, others see things fine or how they are suppose to be or they want them to be. This has happened in every format ever. From Standard, to both forms of Extended, to Legacy, to Vintage, EDH, 1.5...hell its even going on in pauper and frontier. Wotc can not keep everyone happy.
I also am always skeptical about your particular area of Modern. You claimed the metagame was healthy there during an exceptionally unhealthy period in Eldrazi Winter. Although this may have been true, it suggests it is not representative of many other communities. More worryingly, you once claimed your community/store participated in some secret pre-Modern testing of the format. There has been absolutely zero compelling evidence to suggest this ever happened anywhere, let alone at your particular store, which further casts doubt on some of your claims about the Modern community in which you are playing. To this day, I'd be super interested in seeing evidence that happened. It would be great historical information. But lacking that evidence, I and others have every justification to be very skeptical.
In the past 8 months 4 more LGS have opened in my area and I can play Modern any day of the week and it fires with 20+ players.
As for the testing, I know what I was involved in, I dont have to prove anything to you or anyone else.
Wotc isnt infallible but its their show. We just choose to play in it or not. Make your choice and stand by it.
This is definitely at play here, but many players believe Wizards has pushed it too far towards Standard and too far away from Modern. There is a persistent feeling that Standard is being forced on players at the expense of Modern, which many would prefer. This is compounded by continued terrible communication on Wizards' intent and their plan for the format, as well as an chronic (almost comical at this point) failure to proactively address worries when announcing these kinds of changes.
For every one if those unhappy players, there are happy ones not complaining. Who is Wotc to cater to? The complainers?
What evidence do you have to support this claim? Also, you make it sound like a 1:1 ratio, which would still be incredibly unhealthy, if actually true.
Bocephus, during the ELDRAZI WINTER, you said the same thing. Meaning that for every one if those unhappy players, there are happy ones not complaining. Who is Wotc to cater to?
Again, you saying that thing does not make it true. Actually, you were flat out wrong back then, and you are just wrong this time.
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Bocephus, during the ELDRAZI WINTER, you said the same thing. Meaning that for every one if those unhappy players, there are happy ones not complaining. Who is Wotc to cater to?
Again, you saying that thing does not make it true. Actually, you were flat out wrong back then, and you are just wrong this time.
Bocephus, during the ELDRAZI WINTER, you said the same thing. Meaning that for every one if those unhappy players, there are happy ones not complaining. Who is Wotc to cater to?
Again, you saying that thing does not make it true. Actually, you were flat out wrong back then, and you are just wrong this time.
So what, our magical little corner of the Magic the Gathering universe has the mystical power to speak for all players?
Newsflash: this is MTGS. We are known across the internet for one reason: this site is the center of the most whiny, complaining, and moaning Magic players on the planet. Look at literally every spoiler season since original Zendikar. The whining and complaining and moaning about every little thing nearly predates Modern as a format.
I don't know what percentage of Modern players are happy with Modern. For that matter, neither do you. But complaining about how one of the formats that doesn't make money doesn't get as much attention as the ones that do isn't helping.
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You don't call "dying to removal" if the removal is more expensive in resources than the creature. If you have to spend BG (Abrupt Decay), or W + basic land (PtE) to remove a 1G, that is not "dying to removal". Strictly speaking Goyf dies to removal, but actually your removal is dying to Goyf.
Whether Bocephus has crazy purple hair or not, whether you agree that "it's Wizards' sandbox and we just pee in it" or not, he has a point: complainers are always louder.
That being said, although Modern and MTG in general are not in dire straits as some would have us believe, WotC could certainly work on their communication and Blue Control could use (a little) help. Also, dropping major Modern events to push Standard is a *****ty thing to do but I understand their motivations as far as the bottom line goes.
Other than those (admittedly major in the first case and really lame in the last) problems, I'm satisfied with the current state of Modern. I think Wizards is starting to listen to MtG players a bit more (Fatal Push), but given that the most vocal will always be those who are the most unhappy, they have to be careful or the ban lunatics of the world will inundate them with emails until every match is a Bear Tribal mirror.
It's not an encouraging message as a Modern player, but considering that I was asking for them to be transparent with what they were going to do for Modern rather than give us half-statements, I can only be happy that Maro gave us such a concrete answer.
As such, I'm tentatively optimistic that the change in direction of Standard will help Modern enough that it can continue mostly under its own steam.
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Fantastic, the first actual new we get about all of this is that Wizards is doing all of this on purpose. That's right double down on the terrible standard environments your R&D keep creating, and continue to take from Modern when it Standard fails. How could this not work?
I've already fired off another Tweet at him in response. I don't expect a reply, but we have to try.
Really people, if you have a twitter hit WotC up. I can supply a list of people to tweet to/at over this issue. The only way we stop this train wreck is to publicly voice our displeasure. Remember what we did when they first removed the PT? We need to get back to that level.
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We have 2-3 users that are dramatically making this thread incomprehensible and non-productive for anyone else to possibly join in the discussion. This needs to change.
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the card itself really isn't worth the card board its printed on...does it serve a purpose? Sure its a blue 1 drop that might not be a 1/1. I would not put it in a list and expect to win a PTQ or GP though.
These notes are just trying to save face. I think it's complete bull*****.
Why is everyone so mad? Wizards has no plans of axing Modern and they like that the format is doing well. Is this not good news?
I am fine with it as long as they still monitor and try to balance the format. I get it they have a responsibility to market their new products and that is fine. That being said I think as a community we need to advocate for third party tournament support like scg modern opens. Modern at least has some of that while other great formats like pauper only have modo leagues.
I am fine with it as long as they still monitor and try to balance the format. I get it they have a responsibility to market their new products and that is fine. That being said I think as a community we need to advocate for third party tournament support like scg modern opens. Modern at least has some of that while other great formats like pauper only have modo leagues.
Is there any evidence indicating they won't still monitor and balance the format? If anything, the blogatog comment suggests that they do pay close attention, as do their banlist decisions. SCG events are pulling in a ton of heads (from personal experience), so I wouldn't worry about those falling by the wayside. In fact, I bet after this period of hyper-pushing Modern, Wizards is going to spend more energy on Standard with the assumption that third parties like SCG will continue supporting Modern directly via events.
the card itself really isn't worth the card board its printed on...does it serve a purpose? Sure its a blue 1 drop that might not be a 1/1. I would not put it in a list and expect to win a PTQ or GP though.
Im pretty happy with those statements by Maro. As long as they don't try to screw the format with 0 reprints and bans and they let SCG and GP's At this rate I'm fine.
Its like playing competitive and supported Legacy.
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I think wizards sees this shift and is now catering to the commander market rather than the modern market. prices in stores now I feel are being dictated by commander, breya wrecked local artifact prices when it came to less played old gems collecting dust in boxes at the store. all of a sudden those cards are a rare commodity simply from a pre built commander deck.
it's like modern in the comparison that it has a huge card pool, with nearly everything playable and viable. this allows people to build in all sorts of different ways.
In my opinion I feel like this is one of the main reasons people are leaving modern and going to commander, I see it in my local community. there's a nearly 0 turn out locally for modern, but you'll always find guys playing either standard or commander.
commander is almost nostalgic in the fact that it's like the old days of playing magic before the internet changed the fundamentals. you've got a cool collection of cards sitting around and after a few hours of trying to trade locally and using what you've got, you've put this hodge podge of a deck together and your down at the local shop winning a few games one afternoon.
of course this is just my opinion, what do you all think? modern was appealing for a while to stay on a 60 card format but it just feels hostile to get into. maybe that's just me
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There will be exceptions to the norm, but most shops are going to probably start catering to other formats eventually. It's always possible to have a community that is very strong with modern simply because there are a lot of people from that time and place with the cards on hand. For a lot of places that just isn't the case, though, and a great many people depend on steady reprintings from wizards to break into formats or build affordable decks. Commander is one of those formats where people only need singletons so it greatly diminishes the spiky nature on costs. Unfortunately, this means that speculators will swoop in and start jacking prices up much like how things are looking in modern (kind of like the US pharmaceutical industry, actually). I think for commander to be truly supportable it would have to cut out the legality of reserve list cards, but that is probably a conversation for the EDH / Commander forum.
1. (Ravnica Allegiance): You can't keep a good esper control deck down... Or Wilderness Reclamation... or Gates...
2. (War of the Spark): Guys, I know what we need! We need a cycle of really idiotic flavor text victory cards! Jace's Triumph...
3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
Just like Modern gets support.
You really need to start defining what you mean by 'supportable'. Its not really relevant anyway, because the current outcry is about tournament support, visibility support, and NOT in any way, shape, or form, about reprint support, which anyone who approaches logically, understands already.
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Commander can be just as bad about spiking cards. Why do you think a card like Doubling Season is as expensive as it currently is? Commander drives prices nearly as much as Modern does. They just tend to do it to different cards.
Edit: @blakepr has fallen silent. I got a few responses from him, but they where about me saying his Update was uninformative. I kept pressing for details on Modern, but he refused to give up anything. He told me the Daily MTG is not the place to look for this sort of info, so I asked where the Modern community should look. He has not responded. Nor has Trick, Aaron, Helene, Sam, @MagicProTour, @Wizards_Jobs, @Wizards_Help, or Rosewater. I've also seen no responses on Reddit, a place that I was lead to believe Wizards staff frequented. This sort of radio silence is pathetic, insulting, and unprofessional.
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"What do we want? An open line of communication! When do we want it? Whenever Hasbro approves the official PR statement!" - What I imagined after reading your post.
Really though, I think you hit the nail on the head in regards to both cost and company-consumer transparency. Cost is an irrelevant argument in the grand scheme of things, but there will always be *****ing and moaning regardless. Reaching out to the powers that be at WoTC/Hasbro and voicing support for modern is really our only constructive course of action, however, I don't suspect that any amount of player feedback will be enough to trigger a response before MM17 is officially released. That doesn't really matter so long as those at the top are aware of the community's concerns and support regarding the format.
Here's a great article that focuses mostly on MTGO/MDN, but it also gives you an idea of what's happening behind the scenes at Hasbro. At the end of the day, the company-shareholder relationship always trumps that of the company and player base. It puts WoTC in a *****ty spot, because despite however they may feel about something like the state of modern, they are not at liberty to share those sentiments with players. WoTC/MTG is Hasbro's flagship subsidiary and, because of this, they don't possess the kind of autonomy that would allow them to have unfiltered communication with players. It doesn't take much to shake up investors (especially in this case, since I'd assume most of them probably haven't ever even held a Magic card let alone played a game) and this leads to heavy micromanaging by Hasbro PR. With the torch being passed on to a new President at WoTC, the new regime literally took over when Hasbro stock is at an all-time high; I'm sure that's a hard act to follow. Despite the fact that infinite continuous growth is impossible, we're still witnessing the pursuit in the form of masterpiece/inventions/chase cards and PT coverage going all-in on standard. Of course WoTC/Hasbro is well aware that formats like modern bolster the longevity and value of their product; I can't see a scenario where officially disowning modern ends up being a wise business decision. If anything, I wouldn't be surprised to see them attempt to bridge the gap between modern and legacy (ala "non reserve list legacy"). Either way, all signs point toward a revamped digital client as the future and carving out a chunk of that market is currently their number one priority. Until that comes into fruition, they're gonna shill the **** out of standard in order to keep stock prices on the up and up. The new president is supposedly an avid player, so assuming that's actually true, I'm cautiously optimistic that Modern will be perfectly fine in the long run even if it gets put on the back burner for an indefinite period of time.
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Digital is literally printing money, its inane to not leverage it better than they have, and as someone in software...MTGO is painful to use though I do, all the time.
They can 100% continue the promotion of Standard like I mentioned yesterday, they dont have to stop at all. What they simply need to do, is something like a 'Modern Monday' article. Whats up with the meta, whats up with upcoming events, what cool decks have done a 5-0 in MTGO, trends, WHATEVER.
Thats a start. A quarterly 'State of the Modern Union' article, say...with the Ban Announcement release. Wow, how nice would that be? 30 minutes of effort.
Then, well at that point start putting an emphasis on Modern. Stop with the fear mongering 'omg LANTERN guys, we dont want game play like that' well, some do, and Magic is better, and bigger, than 'I turn my Rhino sideways'. Start embracing what makes Magic great to a wider range of people.
See what happens.
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For every one if those unhappy players, there are happy ones not complaining. Who is Wotc to cater to? The complainers? Or those spending money at LGS and busting packs because they are enjoying the game/format? Where some see failure, others see things fine or how they are suppose to be or they want them to be. This has happened in every format ever. From Standard, to both forms of Extended, to Legacy, to Vintage, EDH, 1.5...hell its even going on in pauper and frontier. Wotc can not keep everyone happy.
In the past 8 months 4 more LGS have opened in my area and I can play Modern any day of the week and it fires with 20+ players.
As for the testing, I know what I was involved in, I dont have to prove anything to you or anyone else.
Wotc isnt infallible but its their show. We just choose to play in it or not. Make your choice and stand by it.
What evidence do you have to support this claim? Also, you make it sound like a 1:1 ratio, which would still be incredibly unhealthy, if actually true.
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So what, our magical little corner of the Magic the Gathering universe has the mystical power to speak for all players?
Newsflash: this is MTGS. We are known across the internet for one reason: this site is the center of the most whiny, complaining, and moaning Magic players on the planet. Look at literally every spoiler season since original Zendikar. The whining and complaining and moaning about every little thing nearly predates Modern as a format.
I don't know what percentage of Modern players are happy with Modern. For that matter, neither do you. But complaining about how one of the formats that doesn't make money doesn't get as much attention as the ones that do isn't helping.
"I hope to have such a death... lying in triumph atop the broken bodies of those who slew me..."
That being said, although Modern and MTG in general are not in dire straits as some would have us believe, WotC could certainly work on their communication and Blue Control could use (a little) help. Also, dropping major Modern events to push Standard is a *****ty thing to do but I understand their motivations as far as the bottom line goes.
Other than those (admittedly major in the first case and really lame in the last) problems, I'm satisfied with the current state of Modern. I think Wizards is starting to listen to MtG players a bit more (Fatal Push), but given that the most vocal will always be those who are the most unhappy, they have to be careful or the ban lunatics of the world will inundate them with emails until every match is a Bear Tribal mirror.
http://markrosewater.tumblr.com/post/157124759613/no-a-lot-of-people-play-modern-we-have-no-plans#notes
As such, I'm tentatively optimistic that the change in direction of Standard will help Modern enough that it can continue mostly under its own steam.
I've already fired off another Tweet at him in response. I don't expect a reply, but we have to try.
Really people, if you have a twitter hit WotC up. I can supply a list of people to tweet to/at over this issue. The only way we stop this train wreck is to publicly voice our displeasure. Remember what we did when they first removed the PT? We need to get back to that level.
@maro254
@HeleneBergeot
@TrickMTG
@mtgaaron
@Wizards_Jobs
@Wizards_Help
@wizards_magic
@samstod
@magicprotour
@blakepr
If anyone else has anymore contacts, I'd love to have them.
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These notes are just trying to save face. I think it's complete bull*****.
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I am fine with it as long as they still monitor and try to balance the format. I get it they have a responsibility to market their new products and that is fine. That being said I think as a community we need to advocate for third party tournament support like scg modern opens. Modern at least has some of that while other great formats like pauper only have modo leagues.
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Its like playing competitive and supported Legacy.