Love the Skred deck list. I had something similar built on mtg deck builder because of trying to find ways to break Eternal Scourge. It's the only creature that I've ever seen scream "Exile me!" Glad to see I was on the right track with the idea. Still, pyrite spellbomb?
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1. (Ravnica Allegiance): You can't keep a good esper control deck down... Or Wilderness Reclamation... or Gates...
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3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
Love the Skred deck list. I had something similar built on mtg deck builder because of trying to find ways to break Eternal Scourge. It's the only creature that I've ever seen scream "Exile me!" Glad to see I was on the right track with the idea. Still, pyrite spellbomb?
Pyrite spellbomb is a decent card for skred for a few reasons. We used to run 3 back in the day.
It answers Etched Champion. Kor Firewalker. Master of Waves. It also kills dorks and cantrips if needed.
It seems very unlikely that both Jeskai and Grixis independently dodged the 2nd and 3rd most-played decks in the Day 2 Top 100. Anyone who is seriously suggesting that better actually have the matchups to prove it.
All the rounds I could find info on:
Burkhart (Grixis):
R7 vs Lantern, 2-0
R8 vs Eldrazi & Taxes, 2-1
R10 vs Abzan, 2-1
R11 vs Lantern, 2-0
R12 vs Titanshift, 2-0
R13 vs Infect, 2-0
R14 vs Knightfall, 2-1
R15 ID with Dredge
Mitas (Jeskai):
R7 vs Grishoalbrand 1-2
R10 vs Lantern: 2-1
R11 vs Merfolk? 2-0
R12 vs RG Tron 1-2
R13 vs Bant Eldrazi 2-1
R14 vs Thing/PA 2-1
Love the Skred deck list. I had something similar built on mtg deck builder because of trying to find ways to break Eternal Scourge. It's the only creature that I've ever seen scream "Exile me!" Glad to see I was on the right track with the idea. Still, pyrite spellbomb?
Pyrite spellbomb is a decent card for skred for a few reasons. We used to run 3 back in the day.
It answers Etched Champion. Kor Firewalker. Master of Waves. It also kills dorks and cantrips if needed.
Ah okay. I figured it was for reasons of protection from red, just thought there was a better answer than the bomb. Looking around it still seems to be the goto item, though.
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3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
Kaladesh cards:
- Obvious ones: Blossoming Defense and Cathartic Reunion in Infect and Dredge. 1 Suicide Zoo with SBed Defense, 1 Temur Prowess with main Defense.
- 1 Jeskai Control with Torrential Gearhulk (T8)
- 1 Skred Red (winner), 2 Jund, 1 Mardu with Chandra, Torch of Defiance
- 1 Lantern with Glint-Nest Crane, Inventors' Fair and Aether Hub
- 1 Ponza, 1 Blue Moon with Madcap Experiment + Platinum Emperion
- 1 Bant Eldrazi with SBed Ceremonious Rejection
- 1 Bant Knightfall with Fairgrounds Warden (linking to card b/c nobody knows about it unless they play Limited. It's basically Fiend Hunter.)
Lots of UR decks with Spirebluff Canal: Grixis Control (T8), Jeskai Delver, 3 Temur Prowess aka Suicide Bloo, Blue Moon, 1 Grixis Delver.
Damn. I like reading through 6 pages of dredge hate to see a red deck win. Maybe we should bring out the torches for snow covered mountains next? I'll give you something to start your argument on...
They come into play for free and act as an engine! Plus you can play more than 4 in a deck!
You're welcome.
Damn. I like reading through 6 pages of dredge hate to see a red deck win. Maybe we should bring out the torches for snow covered mountains next? I'll give you something to start your argument on...
They come into play for free and act as an engine! Plus you can play more than 4 in a deck!
You're welcome.
Really. It was pretty gross to watch people over react. Theres a new dexk in modern and its good. Lets ban the hell out of it. Deck diversity isnt good!
There was a dredge in the top 8 and one in the top 64. Thats it... there was more jund in the top 64 then dredge. Hell there were way more infect than anything.
Wait for the pitchforks for data to agree with you...
DAE Temur Prowess/Suicide Bloo are both bad deck names? The deck is base UR; green is only needed for one or two cards. You didn't call Twin playing 1 Stomping Ground for Ancient Grudge "Temur Twin". The most Temur thing about "Temur Prowess" is Temur Battle Rage, not the actual color combination, but that's like calling a deck "Grixis Delver" not because it has Delver of Secrets in it, but because it has a card with delve in it.
There's nothing suicidal about the deck either. It's not playing Death's Shadow.
I'm not surprised. Infect, Naya "burn" and zoo are prevalent. Decks are equipped with cheap instant creature-destruction spells. This is bad for artifact aggro.
About control being dead: not exactly, more like third-stage cancer. Although I do think that the Grixis Control deck is close enough to old-school control for my taste, so I'm happy.
I don't know what to make of that Skred Red deck... looks like a pile of maindeck hate cards a certain metagame.
Mackie's deck tech is quite hilarious when you realize what he played against in the semis and finals.
“If you're expecting a lot of non-creature decks or Remand, DO NOT PLAY THIS DECK. Not close.” Adding, “If you don't like losing to Blue decks, don't play this deck. Please.”
Semifinals: vs Jeskai with no Remands
Finals: vs Grixis with no Remands
Fun fact: Corey Burkhart has been knocked out of TWO GP T8s by 8th Edition cards. Got Choked by Craig Wescoe at GP Pittsburgh and Blood Mooned at this GP.
Mackie's deck tech is quite hilarious when you realize what he played against in the semis and finals.
“If you're expecting a lot of non-creature decks or Remand, DO NOT PLAY THIS DECK. Not close.” Adding, “If you don't like losing to Blue decks, don't play this deck. Please.”
Semifinals: vs Jeskai with no Remands
Finals: vs Grixis with no Remands
Fun fact: Corey Burkhart has been knocked out of TWO GP T8s by 8th Edition cards. Got Choked by Craig Wescoe at GP Pittsburgh and Blood Mooned at this GP.
8th is cancer
j/k, Grixis just blows against enchantments
Funny you mention this. LSV seems to agree with this notion. Fact or fiction yesterday asked if Modern would be better off without 8th and 9th edition. LSV said that it would make the format more fun. A year ago i didn't agree with this, but now i may sound somewhat true.
It seems very unlikely that both Jeskai and Grixis independently dodged the 2nd and 3rd most-played decks in the Day 2 Top 100. Anyone who is seriously suggesting that better actually have the matchups to prove it.
All the rounds I could find info on:
Burkhart (Grixis):
R7 vs Lantern, 2-0
R8 vs Eldrazi & Taxes, 2-1
R10 vs Abzan, 2-1
R11 vs Lantern, 2-0
R12 vs Titanshift, 2-0
R13 vs Infect, 2-0
R14 vs Knightfall, 2-1
R15 ID with Dredge
Mitas (Jeskai):
R7 vs Grishoalbrand 1-2
R10 vs Lantern: 2-1
R11 vs Merfolk? 2-0
R12 vs RG Tron 1-2
R13 vs Bant Eldrazi 2-1
R14 vs Thing/PA 2-1
Given those matchups, things went as expected and would explain why they top 8'ed if those were the matchups they got.
It seems very unlikely that both Jeskai and Grixis independently dodged the 2nd and 3rd most-played decks in the Day 2 Top 100. Anyone who is seriously suggesting that better actually have the matchups to prove it.
All the rounds I could find info on:
Burkhart (Grixis):
R7 vs Lantern, 2-0
R8 vs Eldrazi & Taxes, 2-1
R10 vs Abzan, 2-1
R11 vs Lantern, 2-0
R12 vs Titanshift, 2-0
R13 vs Infect, 2-0
R14 vs Knightfall, 2-1
R15 ID with Dredge
Mitas (Jeskai):
R7 vs Grishoalbrand 1-2
R10 vs Lantern: 2-1
R11 vs Merfolk? 2-0
R12 vs RG Tron 1-2
R13 vs Bant Eldrazi 2-1
R14 vs Thing/PA 2-1
Given those matchups, things went as expected and would explain why they top 8'ed if those were the matchups they got.
Admittedly Corey's ID with Dredge would likely have been a loss, but still these matchups seemed pretty indicative of the metagame as a whole. Merfolk can be a tough matchup for UWR (I have been on both sides of that) and the UWR player beat Bant Eldrazi, which is supposed to prey on control builds. Like most people say about Modern, knowing how to play your deck well is often more important than the matchup roulette. I think the control players just knew their decks.
That said, I did hear the Skred player put his deck together on Friday and basically spiked the tournament with Blood Moons and Stormbreath Dragons lol
Guys please opinions on japanese cards. Lost a 3/3 creature against Japan celestial colonade. This guy played all creatures and spells in english cards, but some cards in his manabase was japanese. I dont registrated this really ( my brain say its all fine and all english to me lets attack his empty board)...and i am sure it is a Kind of legal cheating. It is not ok, but i know legal. I Hate such people. I never forget colonade normally, but with this Tricks it can happen one time in 3 years and such people take advantage of this
If I am a customer spending premium amount of dollars, I expect a premium service. Jund falls into the category of a premium deck costing more dollars than a majority of the rest of the format. I'm not getting the desired performance ratio per dollars spent out of the Jund deck because WOTC decided to make the format more diverse.
So what's the new narrative now ? Dredge is fine, metagame is diverse, control players over on here need to get good ?
Reddit and MTGSalvation have a long history of 'Control doesn't work in Modern' and then as soon as someone wins a GP/PT/SCG with Control, people say they got the good side of variance (someone will likely quote this saying "Well they DID get the good side of variance") when in reality if you know your deck well and have a little luck (it is magic after all) you will do just fine with your choice.
I have the options to play Jund, Junk, Merfolk, Grixis variants, or UWR. I played Tron in the past, I played Twin, I played some Abzan Company. I still put up my best results and have the most fun with UWR Control. Does that mean UWR is the best deck? Nope. Just works for me.
To be more exact: Control players need to find a deck, which fits for them and than get good with it ^^
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And hope to dodge bad matchups. That's really helpful!
That's kind of every decks game plan tho isn't it? Jund hopes to dodge Tron and TitanShift, Tron hopes to dodge Burn and Infect, Infect hopes to dodge decks with removal, Dredge hopes to dodge Rest in Peace.
I dunno, I feel like that is the nature of the game.
So what's the new narrative now ? Dredge is fine, metagame is diverse, control players over on here need to get good ?
Reddit and MTGSalvation have a long history of 'Control doesn't work in Modern' and then as soon as someone wins a GP/PT/SCG with Control, people say they got the good side of variance (someone will likely quote this saying "Well they DID get the good side of variance") when in reality if you know your deck well and have a little luck (it is magic after all) you will do just fine with your choice.
I have the options to play Jund, Junk, Merfolk, Grixis variants, or UWR. I played Tron in the past, I played Twin, I played some Abzan Company. I still put up my best results and have the most fun with UWR Control. Does that mean UWR is the best deck? Nope. Just works for me.
Control players just need to git gud. n00bs.
How do you play control against dredge?
They are not afraid of your discard spell, counter spell, and most of the removal.
This is really a painful match-up.
So what's the new narrative now ? Dredge is fine, metagame is diverse, control players over on here need to get good ?
Reddit and MTGSalvation have a long history of 'Control doesn't work in Modern' and then as soon as someone wins a GP/PT/SCG with Control, people say they got the good side of variance (someone will likely quote this saying "Well they DID get the good side of variance") when in reality if you know your deck well and have a little luck (it is magic after all) you will do just fine with your choice.
I have the options to play Jund, Junk, Merfolk, Grixis variants, or UWR. I played Tron in the past, I played Twin, I played some Abzan Company. I still put up my best results and have the most fun with UWR Control. Does that mean UWR is the best deck? Nope. Just works for me.
Control players just need to git gud. n00bs.
How do you play control against dredge?
They are not afraid of your discard spell, counter spell, and most of the removal.
This is really a painful match-up.
Path their Bloodghasts and go to Game 2 for Rest in Peace
If you have a lot of Dredge in your meta just run 3 RiP and a couple Surgicals. You'll get there sometimes
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1. (Ravnica Allegiance): You can't keep a good esper control deck down... Or Wilderness Reclamation... or Gates...
2. (War of the Spark): Guys, I know what we need! We need a cycle of really idiotic flavor text victory cards! Jace's Triumph...
3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
Pyrite spellbomb is a decent card for skred for a few reasons. We used to run 3 back in the day.
It answers Etched Champion. Kor Firewalker. Master of Waves. It also kills dorks and cantrips if needed.
Burkhart (Grixis):
R7 vs Lantern, 2-0
R8 vs Eldrazi & Taxes, 2-1
R10 vs Abzan, 2-1
R11 vs Lantern, 2-0
R12 vs Titanshift, 2-0
R13 vs Infect, 2-0
R14 vs Knightfall, 2-1
R15 ID with Dredge
Mitas (Jeskai):
R7 vs Grishoalbrand 1-2
R10 vs Lantern: 2-1
R11 vs Merfolk? 2-0
R12 vs RG Tron 1-2
R13 vs Bant Eldrazi 2-1
R14 vs Thing/PA 2-1
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| Infect
Big Johnny.
Ah okay. I figured it was for reasons of protection from red, just thought there was a better answer than the bomb. Looking around it still seems to be the goto item, though.
1. (Ravnica Allegiance): You can't keep a good esper control deck down... Or Wilderness Reclamation... or Gates...
2. (War of the Spark): Guys, I know what we need! We need a cycle of really idiotic flavor text victory cards! Jace's Triumph...
3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
http://magic.wizards.com/en/events/coverage/gpdfw16/9-64-decklists-2016-11-06
Kaladesh cards:
- Obvious ones: Blossoming Defense and Cathartic Reunion in Infect and Dredge. 1 Suicide Zoo with SBed Defense, 1 Temur Prowess with main Defense.
- 1 Jeskai Control with Torrential Gearhulk (T8)
- 1 Skred Red (winner), 2 Jund, 1 Mardu with Chandra, Torch of Defiance
- 1 Lantern with Glint-Nest Crane, Inventors' Fair and Aether Hub
- 1 Ponza, 1 Blue Moon with Madcap Experiment + Platinum Emperion
- 1 Bant Eldrazi with SBed Ceremonious Rejection
- 1 Bant Knightfall with Fairgrounds Warden (linking to card b/c nobody knows about it unless they play Limited. It's basically Fiend Hunter.)
Lots of UR decks with Spirebluff Canal: Grixis Control (T8), Jeskai Delver, 3 Temur Prowess aka Suicide Bloo, Blue Moon, 1 Grixis Delver.
Surprisingly NO AFFINITY .
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| Infect
Big Johnny.
In the yard: RUG Delver, Kiki-Chord, Grixis Twin, Mardu Control, Smallpox, Jeskai Control, Jeskai Delver, Assault Loam, Elves, Deathcloud, Eggs, Storm
They come into play for free and act as an engine! Plus you can play more than 4 in a deck!
You're welcome.
UB Faeries (15-6-0)
UWR Control (10-5-1)/Kiki Control/Midrange/Harbinger
UBR Cruel Control (6-4-0)/Grixis Control/Delver/Blue Jund
UWB Control/Mentor
UW Miracles/Control (currently active, 14-2-0)
BW Eldrazi & Taxes
RW Burn (9-1-0)
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Really. It was pretty gross to watch people over react. Theres a new dexk in modern and its good. Lets ban the hell out of it. Deck diversity isnt good!
There was a dredge in the top 8 and one in the top 64. Thats it... there was more jund in the top 64 then dredge. Hell there were way more infect than anything.
Wait for the pitchforks for data to agree with you...
There's nothing suicidal about the deck either. It's not playing Death's Shadow.
| Ad Nauseam
| Infect
Big Johnny.
I'm not surprised. Infect, Naya "burn" and zoo are prevalent. Decks are equipped with cheap instant creature-destruction spells. This is bad for artifact aggro.
Thank you. No Death's Shadow means not suicide zoo.
About control being dead: not exactly, more like third-stage cancer. Although I do think that the Grixis Control deck is close enough to old-school control for my taste, so I'm happy.
I don't know what to make of that Skred Red deck... looks like a pile of maindeck hate cards a certain metagame.
Semifinals: vs Jeskai with no Remands
Finals: vs Grixis with no Remands
Fun fact: Corey Burkhart has been knocked out of TWO GP T8s by 8th Edition cards. Got Choked by Craig Wescoe at GP Pittsburgh and Blood Mooned at this GP.
8th is cancer
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| Infect
Big Johnny.
Jeskai Delver was on camera once at least.
Funny you mention this. LSV seems to agree with this notion. Fact or fiction yesterday asked if Modern would be better off without 8th and 9th edition. LSV said that it would make the format more fun. A year ago i didn't agree with this, but now i may sound somewhat true.
Given those matchups, things went as expected and would explain why they top 8'ed if those were the matchups they got.
Admittedly Corey's ID with Dredge would likely have been a loss, but still these matchups seemed pretty indicative of the metagame as a whole. Merfolk can be a tough matchup for UWR (I have been on both sides of that) and the UWR player beat Bant Eldrazi, which is supposed to prey on control builds. Like most people say about Modern, knowing how to play your deck well is often more important than the matchup roulette. I think the control players just knew their decks.
That said, I did hear the Skred player put his deck together on Friday and basically spiked the tournament with Blood Moons and Stormbreath Dragons lol
Reddit and MTGSalvation have a long history of 'Control doesn't work in Modern' and then as soon as someone wins a GP/PT/SCG with Control, people say they got the good side of variance (someone will likely quote this saying "Well they DID get the good side of variance") when in reality if you know your deck well and have a little luck (it is magic after all) you will do just fine with your choice.
I have the options to play Jund, Junk, Merfolk, Grixis variants, or UWR. I played Tron in the past, I played Twin, I played some Abzan Company. I still put up my best results and have the most fun with UWR Control. Does that mean UWR is the best deck? Nope. Just works for me.
Control players just need to git gud. n00bs.
Greetings,
Kathal
Modern/Legacy
either funpolice (Delver, Deathcloud, UW Control) or the fun decks (especially those ft. Griselbrand)
And hope to dodge bad matchups. That's really helpful!
UR ....... WUBR ........... WB ............. RGW ........ UBR ....... WUB .... BGU
Spells / Blink & Combo / Token Grind / Dino Tribal / Draw Cards / Zombies / Reanimate
Which if that info on Corey's matchups are correct, he did so successfully.
Lol when he got to his bad one he ID'd haha
That's kind of every decks game plan tho isn't it? Jund hopes to dodge Tron and TitanShift, Tron hopes to dodge Burn and Infect, Infect hopes to dodge decks with removal, Dredge hopes to dodge Rest in Peace.
I dunno, I feel like that is the nature of the game.
How do you play control against dredge?
They are not afraid of your discard spell, counter spell, and most of the removal.
This is really a painful match-up.
Anything, but nothing at the moment...
Modern:
WUBRGAmulet Titan, WUBRGHuman
WUBRAd Nauseam, WBRGDeath Shadow, UBRGScapeshift, UBRGDredge
WURJeskai Nahiri, WURCheeri0s, WBGCounter Company, WRGBurn, UBRMadcap Moon, BRGJund Midrange
UBTurn,BRGriselbrand Reanimator, WGKnight Company, RGRG Tron, RGRG Ponza, XAffinity, XEldrazi Tron
Path their Bloodghasts and go to Game 2 for Rest in Peace
If you have a lot of Dredge in your meta just run 3 RiP and a couple Surgicals. You'll get there sometimes