I think Zach Voss is on Titan Shift or RG Breach. Michael may be on Jund?
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So much about control being bad in Modern. Anyway it was better tournament than I expected and Dredge didn't dominate on Day 2.
I mean if they won match up roulette and got paired against infect all weekend then that'd explain it. I'm curious on what each control player got pair against because honestly I don't think the jeskai deck could beat dredge. He didn't have anything in his sideboard that I know of. Burkhart at least has Anger of the Gids and Surgical Extractions.
I'm probably rooting for Skred Red or Titan Shift. It's hard to root against Corey though.
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Standard - Mono Red (6-2 and 5-3 in 2 McQ)
Draft - (I wish I had more time for limited...)
Commander - Norin the Wary, Grimgrin, Adun Oakenshield (taking forever to build) (dead format for me)
1. Grixis Control
2. Dredge
3. (potentially Infect)
4. RG Titanshift
5. (potentially Jund)
6. Jeskai Control
7. Skred Red
8. Infect
already paints a GREAT top 8!
It's really interesting given the makeup of the Day 2 meta. What blows my mind is that the Jeskai and Grixis decks were the ONLY PEOPLE playing those decks on day 2. And only half a dozen or so made it at all in the top 100. I'd love to hear more about how these decks were winning their off-camera matches, because every time they were on camera, it seemed that they were on the bright side of variance, winning by the skin of their teeth, or in relatively beneficial matchups with extremely good and timely draws. Kudos to Corey and Alex for defying the odds. With most of the field likely not expecting to see decks like this, it was a great time to capitalize on their extremely skillful play. Now to see what happens in the Top 8!
So much about control being bad in Modern. Anyway it was better tournament than I expected and Dredge didn't dominate on Day 2.
Well it's a unique case. Literally 1 copy of Jeskai Control and 1 copy of Grixis Control in the top 100, so there's definitely something more going on than "these decks are good." It feels like a combination of masterful play, great variance luck, and a field that expected zero of these kinds of decks. I'm much more interested in the huge disparity between the top 100 and the top 8. Lots of decks that should have been there aren't and literal one-ofs making it in. Very interesting day.
Also, Dredge is in the Top 8, but not on camera yet. Will be interesting to see how Jeskai/Grixis handles that if they face each other.
So much about control being bad in Modern. Anyway it was better tournament than I expected and Dredge didn't dominate on Day 2.
Well it's a unique case. Literally 1 copy of Jeskai Control and 1 copy of Grixis Control in the top 100, so there's definitely something more going on than "these decks are good." It feels like a combination of masterful play, great variance luck, and a field that expected zero of these kinds of decks. I'm much more interested in the huge disparity between the top 100 and the top 8. Lots of decks that should have been there aren't and literal one-ofs making it in. Very interesting day.
Also, Dredge is in the Top 8, but not on camera yet. Will be interesting to see how Jeskai/Grixis handles that if they face each other.
This means that both Jeskai Control and Grixis Control has a 100% rate of going from top 100 to top 8
Much better than infect's 18% or dredge's 12.5%
Well 3 control control decks are in the tops. Skred red is infact a control deck... so theres theres that. 3 infect is a little gross, 1 dredge, so that dominating thing is vastly overestimating there.
It looks better til you realize infect is 37% of the top 8. But then again, control is too, but 3 different flavors.
Top 100 is pretty linear, sadly, but still worth mentioning the win rate on control was wayyyy higher than those decks.
cfusionpm will continue with his "control is bad this is just an anomaly" narrative because this damages his "must unban twin" sentiments... even though we've got more control in a top 8 than we've seen in ages.
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Weren't we just complaining about how Dredge is destroying the meta and Control is garbage?
It feels now like we're all too dumb and unskilled to play control in modern and just play things to turn things sideways and hope we win. No need to think through all these steps.
cfusionpm will continue with his "control is bad this is just an anomaly" narrative because this damages his "must unban twin" sentiments... even though we've got more control in a top 8 than we've seen in ages.
I'm just curious if he dodged Eldrazi and Dredge all day. Those are horrible matchups, and I don't remember seeing that on camera yesterday or today. And with BBD out in the Quarters, neither Jeskai nor Grixis would face it in T8. I will happily admit these guys are having a great day.
cfusionpm has a point. Although he is being more pessimistic than others he is trying to actually analyze the situation because sometimes numbers do not tell the whole story especially wih a small sample size for these control decks. The matchup roulette is definitely real and it can be explained by a few factors. For example, if dredge has a target on its head then the best way to beat it is to play something faster like infect. If a majority decided to play infect to just go under dredge then control or midrange would be a good call to beat infect if you manage to dodge dredge as much as possible. If more people respoonded to infect with midrange the blue decks with ancestral vision and or rev gain a huge advantage vs those decks also. These factors along with luck and great player skill can lead to a great weekend for decks that will usually not do well.
With all that said it was still a great weekend and no matter the reasoning behind controls success it still leads to one conclusion and that people are overstimated how bad interaction is in modern.
Edit: Also Ancestral Vision might be better than we originally thought.
cfusionpm will continue with his "control is bad this is just an anomaly" narrative because this damages his "must unban twin" sentiments... even though we've got more control in a top 8 than we've seen in ages.
I'm just curious if he dodged Eldrazi and Dredge all day. Those are horrible matchups, and I don't remember seeing that on camera yesterday or today. And with BBD out in the Quarters, neither Jeskai nor Grixis would face it in T8. I will happily admit these guys are having a great day.
It seems very unlikely that both Jeskai and Grixis independently dodged the 2nd and 3rd most-played decks in the Day 2 Top 100. Anyone who is seriously suggesting that better actually have the matchups to prove it.
cfusionpm will continue with his "control is bad this is just an anomaly" narrative because this damages his "must unban twin" sentiments... even though we've got more control in a top 8 than we've seen in ages.
I'm just curious if he dodged Eldrazi and Dredge all day. Those are horrible matchups, and I don't remember seeing that on camera yesterday or today. And with BBD out in the Quarters, neither Jeskai nor Grixis would face it in T8. I will happily admit these guys are having a great day.
It seems very unlikely that both Jeskai and Grixis independently dodged the 2nd and 3rd most-played decks in the Day 2 Top 100. Anyone who is seriously suggesting that better actually have the matchups to prove it.
It's hard to say. The jeskai deck appears to not have any graveyard hate unless I missed it in the list. Runed Halo is reasonable to bring in against dredge. The grixis deck had anger of the gods + surgical extraction for the dredge match up. Runed halo also does work out of the sideboard against bant eldrazi and the titan shift decks.
I'd say the jeskai deck got a bit lucky and dodged dredge for the most part when it was off camera. The grixis deck probably did the same with burn (sun droplet feels a bit slow against burn). This is obviously purely speculation and prone to be wrong.
It's definitely worth analysizing how these decks ran the GP gauntlet though to allow for us as players to do the same in the future.
6. Jeskai Control.
But where can we find this list?
Anything, but nothing at the moment...
Modern:
WUBRGAmulet Titan, WUBRGHuman
WUBRAd Nauseam, WBRGDeath Shadow, UBRGScapeshift, UBRGDredge
WURJeskai Nahiri, WURCheeri0s, WBGCounter Company, WRGBurn, UBRMadcap Moon, BRGJund Midrange
UBTurn,BRGriselbrand Reanimator, WGKnight Company, RGRG Tron, RGRG Ponza, XAffinity, XEldrazi Tron
Premodern - Trix, RecSur, Enchantress, Reanimator, Elves https://www.facebook.com/groups/PremodernUSA/
Modern - Neobrand, Hogaak Vine, Elves
Standard - Mono Red (6-2 and 5-3 in 2 McQ)
Draft - (I wish I had more time for limited...)
Commander -
Norin the Wary, Grimgrin, Adun Oakenshield (taking forever to build)(dead format for me)They posted direct links on Twitter:
http://magic.wizards.com/en/events/coverage/gpdfw16/round-15-standings-2016-11-06
UR ....... WUBR ........... WB ............. RGW ........ UBR ....... WUB .... BGU
Spells / Blink & Combo / Token Grind / Dino Tribal / Draw Cards / Zombies / Reanimate
Thanks for the reference.
Anything, but nothing at the moment...
Modern:
WUBRGAmulet Titan, WUBRGHuman
WUBRAd Nauseam, WBRGDeath Shadow, UBRGScapeshift, UBRGDredge
WURJeskai Nahiri, WURCheeri0s, WBGCounter Company, WRGBurn, UBRMadcap Moon, BRGJund Midrange
UBTurn,BRGriselbrand Reanimator, WGKnight Company, RGRG Tron, RGRG Ponza, XAffinity, XEldrazi Tron
I mean if they won match up roulette and got paired against infect all weekend then that'd explain it. I'm curious on what each control player got pair against because honestly I don't think the jeskai deck could beat dredge. He didn't have anything in his sideboard that I know of. Burkhart at least has Anger of the Gids and Surgical Extractions.
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This is what came to say.
I'm probably rooting for Skred Red or Titan Shift. It's hard to root against Corey though.
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Draft - (I wish I had more time for limited...)
Commander -
Norin the Wary, Grimgrin, Adun Oakenshield (taking forever to build)(dead format for me)It's really interesting given the makeup of the Day 2 meta. What blows my mind is that the Jeskai and Grixis decks were the ONLY PEOPLE playing those decks on day 2. And only half a dozen or so made it at all in the top 100. I'd love to hear more about how these decks were winning their off-camera matches, because every time they were on camera, it seemed that they were on the bright side of variance, winning by the skin of their teeth, or in relatively beneficial matchups with extremely good and timely draws. Kudos to Corey and Alex for defying the odds. With most of the field likely not expecting to see decks like this, it was a great time to capitalize on their extremely skillful play. Now to see what happens in the Top 8!
UR ....... WUBR ........... WB ............. RGW ........ UBR ....... WUB .... BGU
Spells / Blink & Combo / Token Grind / Dino Tribal / Draw Cards / Zombies / Reanimate
RGTron
UGInfect
URStorm
WUBRAd Nauseam
BRGrishoalbrand
URGScapeshift
WBGAbzan Company
WUBRGAmulet Titan
BRGLiving End
WGBogles
Well it's a unique case. Literally 1 copy of Jeskai Control and 1 copy of Grixis Control in the top 100, so there's definitely something more going on than "these decks are good." It feels like a combination of masterful play, great variance luck, and a field that expected zero of these kinds of decks. I'm much more interested in the huge disparity between the top 100 and the top 8. Lots of decks that should have been there aren't and literal one-ofs making it in. Very interesting day.
Also, Dredge is in the Top 8, but not on camera yet. Will be interesting to see how Jeskai/Grixis handles that if they face each other.
UR ....... WUBR ........... WB ............. RGW ........ UBR ....... WUB .... BGU
Spells / Blink & Combo / Token Grind / Dino Tribal / Draw Cards / Zombies / Reanimate
This means that both Jeskai Control and Grixis Control has a 100% rate of going from top 100 to top 8
Much better than infect's 18% or dredge's 12.5%
edit: my bad, infect is at 27% (3 copies, not 2)
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It looks better til you realize infect is 37% of the top 8. But then again, control is too, but 3 different flavors.
Top 100 is pretty linear, sadly, but still worth mentioning the win rate on control was wayyyy higher than those decks.
Jeskai and Grixis and no Dredge I am so damn happy
No Dredge means that the top 4 is actually interesting to watch .
Also, 8 Cryptic Commands in top 4.
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"Are you serious?" Chandra replied.
It feels now like we're all too dumb and unskilled to play control in modern and just play things to turn things sideways and hope we win. No need to think through all these steps.
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I'm just curious if he dodged Eldrazi and Dredge all day. Those are horrible matchups, and I don't remember seeing that on camera yesterday or today. And with BBD out in the Quarters, neither Jeskai nor Grixis would face it in T8. I will happily admit these guys are having a great day.
UR ....... WUBR ........... WB ............. RGW ........ UBR ....... WUB .... BGU
Spells / Blink & Combo / Token Grind / Dino Tribal / Draw Cards / Zombies / Reanimate
With all that said it was still a great weekend and no matter the reasoning behind controls success it still leads to one conclusion and that people are overstimated how bad interaction is in modern.
Edit: Also Ancestral Vision might be better than we originally thought.
It seems very unlikely that both Jeskai and Grixis independently dodged the 2nd and 3rd most-played decks in the Day 2 Top 100. Anyone who is seriously suggesting that better actually have the matchups to prove it.
It's hard to say. The jeskai deck appears to not have any graveyard hate unless I missed it in the list. Runed Halo is reasonable to bring in against dredge. The grixis deck had anger of the gods + surgical extraction for the dredge match up. Runed halo also does work out of the sideboard against bant eldrazi and the titan shift decks.
I'd say the jeskai deck got a bit lucky and dodged dredge for the most part when it was off camera. The grixis deck probably did the same with burn (sun droplet feels a bit slow against burn). This is obviously purely speculation and prone to be wrong.
It's definitely worth analysizing how these decks ran the GP gauntlet though to allow for us as players to do the same in the future.