Hi all, I'm very interested in deckbuilding ideas for this card, and Ari Lax has just made an article stating that it's broken http://www.starcitygames.com/article/33382
However, I'm not SC Premium even though I'd really like to see his ideas. So could anyone who has access briefly summarize why he things it's broken? Thanks!!
I'm currently seeing the most potential in Hooting Mandrils < Bedlam Reveler < Progenitus chains. Seems quite brutal to get a Progenitus
I haven't read the article but "Broken" seems to be a bit of a stretch with anything that has sacrifice as part of the cost (and doesn't also say "cannot be countered"). Powerful for sure but I'm excited to see the space decks using it will play in.
EDIT: T1 Mana Dork, T2 Magus of the Moon seems to be the best line at the moment. I also really like any 2 Drop into Phyrexian Obliterator. Aiming for 3 drop into 5 drop seems like leaving yourself open to all the disruption/counters that keeps this from being busted.
I think the card gives Kiki-Chord something it was missing. I think this is the closest thing they can get to pod without it being to busted. That being said i jumped on it early and i hope it spikes.
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So could anyone who has access briefly summarize why he things it's broken?
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Not to be a jerk, but maybe pay them $4? It's a slippery slope asking people to, even in abridged form, pass along content that is paid for.
To be honest, not really. I'm not interested in reading all the article/articles at all, just was curious about his ideas. Same as if there's a film you just know you'll not see, but still are curious about some part of the plot you saw memes for, so you ask your friend.
If sticking to Bant color, sacking voice to Whirler Rogue is good too, especially if you plays sword with the new Sigarda's aid since you can tap equipped sword for whirler rogue to make the equipped creature unblockable.
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I think the card gives Kiki-Chord something it was missing. I think this is the closest thing they can get to pod without it being to busted. That being said i jumped on it early and i hope it spikes.
Jeff Hoogland is already ahead of you. Kitchen finks into Thragtusk/Seige Rhino/Resto, a mana dork into a Finks/e witness, a wall into seige rhino/pia and kiran nalaar, etc. The card is super good when you abuse etb creatures.
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I think the card gives Kiki-Chord something it was missing. I think this is the closest thing they can get to pod without it being to busted. That being said i jumped on it early and i hope it spikes.
Jeff Hoogland is already ahead of you. Kitchen finks into Thragtusk/Seige Rhino/Resto, a mana dork into a Finks/e witness, a wall into seige rhino/pia and kiran nalaar, etc. The card is super good when you abuse etb creatures.
Honestly, your best bet is to take a Junk Pod list from before the banning, replace the Birthing Pods with Eldritch Evolutions and work from there. Admittedly it's not the most creative deck, but it'll give you a solid base to work from.
ya know CoCo is just a better card in abzan unless you are trying to take it the old Angelpod route then i could see Evo being better. CoCo just hits practically all the combo pieces in abzan, kiki on the other hand always had the higher cost combo. Im sure we will see a crap ton of testing and the bigger beast will show its head.
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I tried Eldritch Evo in abzan company for a while. and while it is fun when it works(turn 3 Archangel of thune anyone?) It becomes more of an aggressive midrange style deck with the angel/spik feeder combo and the finks and redcap combos becoming a lot more secondary. Im gonna give it a try in my elves deck as well, but at least for CoCo I really think Chord is better. Plus adding the archangel, siege rhinos etc makes Collected company way worse
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The biggest issue I see with the card is that it's inherently reliant on LTB and ETB triggers and leaves you at card disadvantage. You're investing two cards, 3 mana, and potentially whatever mana you paid for creature A to get creature B. Granted creature B will always be stronger in the right circumstances but that's a TON of resources. Pretty much anything in blue will happily mana leak that all day every day.
Another issue is sorcery speed (if it was instant the card would be busted in half, I'm not saying it should be). The best you can hope for is to swing T3 with your 3 drop you ramped into on T2 and then evo it during second main for a 5 drop. Without some advantage stapled into the 5 drop your opponent can then. cast 1 kill spell and reset the board to you having dork + effects from the two creatures after they're gone. Meh.
All that being said I do think it has potential for sideboarding. When you know the coast is clear in games 2/3 then it's a beating. For example, vs storm you can T1 dork T2 eldritch into eidolon of rhetoric. That's really strong. I run chord in the side in my elves list and its definately a strong play. The card is only as good as the combo pieces and silver bullets you surround it with though.
Maybe I'm crazy but I like the idea of running Summoner's Pact and Allosaurus Rider. With a dork to pay the upkeep cost of Summoner's Pact you can blow up all of their lands by dropping a Terrastodon on turn three. (Pact for Rider, Eldritch Rider into Terrastodon.) Against monocolor an early Iona is game over.
Summoner's Pact can also tutor up Bounding Krasis, which can go infinite with Kiki-Jiki.
Too bad removal is so damn solid. Turn two Platinum Angel would be hilarious if it wouldn't just eat a PtE or Dismember.
Hi all, I'm very interested in deckbuilding ideas for this card, and Ari Lax has just made an article stating that it's broken http://www.starcitygames.com/article/33382
However, I'm not SC Premium even though I'd really like to see his ideas. So could anyone who has access briefly summarize why he things it's broken? Thanks!!
I'm currently seeing the most potential in Hooting Mandrils < Bedlam Reveler < Progenitus chains. Seems quite brutal to get a Progenitus
Not to be a jerk, but maybe pay them $4? It's a slippery slope asking people to, even in abridged form, pass along content that is paid for.
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EDIT: T1 Mana Dork, T2 Magus of the Moon seems to be the best line at the moment. I also really like any 2 Drop into Phyrexian Obliterator. Aiming for 3 drop into 5 drop seems like leaving yourself open to all the disruption/counters that keeps this from being busted.
Tooth & Nail........Grishoalbrand....Living Dominance....Tezzerator.........Vannifar Pod
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To be honest, not really. I'm not interested in reading all the article/articles at all, just was curious about his ideas. Same as if there's a film you just know you'll not see, but still are curious about some part of the plot you saw memes for, so you ask your friend.
Ok, so I'll begin testing Eldritch myself
Like, Sac Voice of Resurgence, grab Phyrexian Obliterator, and get the token.
Or Sac Akki Blizzard-Herder into Solemn Simulacrum
BG Rock
Modern:
RW Sun & Moon
RBG Dredge
RWG Burn
Legacy:
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If sticking to Bant color, sacking voice to Whirler Rogue is good too, especially if you plays sword with the new Sigarda's aid since you can tap equipped sword for whirler rogue to make the equipped creature unblockable.
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Jeff Hoogland is already ahead of you. Kitchen finks into Thragtusk/Seige Rhino/Resto, a mana dork into a Finks/e witness, a wall into seige rhino/pia and kiran nalaar, etc. The card is super good when you abuse etb creatures.
Decks I'm playing in Modern right now:
URB Grixis Reveler (http://www.mtgvault.com/supast4r7/decks/modern-grixis-reveler/)
UB Faeries (http://www.mtgvault.com/supast4r7/decks/ub-fae-2/)
UW Azorious Control (http://www.mtgvault.com/supast4r7/decks/modern-ojutai-control-2/)
Don't forget Elesh Norn!
UR ....... WUBR ........... WB ............. RGW ........ UBR ....... WUB .... BGU
Spells / Blink & Combo / Token Grind / Dino Tribal / Draw Cards / Zombies / Reanimate
You don't need to get it back and those cards are bad. No point in playing bad cards when you can play chord/e wit for more sources of card adv.
Decks I'm playing in Modern right now:
URB Grixis Reveler (http://www.mtgvault.com/supast4r7/decks/modern-grixis-reveler/)
UB Faeries (http://www.mtgvault.com/supast4r7/decks/ub-fae-2/)
UW Azorious Control (http://www.mtgvault.com/supast4r7/decks/modern-ojutai-control-2/)
Tooth & Nail........Grishoalbrand....Living Dominance....Tezzerator.........Vannifar Pod
My Decks that have been BANNED
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You'd probably be better off running it in Kiki Chord though because from a voice you can grab restoration angel or pia and kiran nalaar and from kitchen finks you can grab Kiki-Jiki, Mirror Breaker.
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Captain Sisay GW
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Tymna and Ravos WB
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Another issue is sorcery speed (if it was instant the card would be busted in half, I'm not saying it should be). The best you can hope for is to swing T3 with your 3 drop you ramped into on T2 and then evo it during second main for a 5 drop. Without some advantage stapled into the 5 drop your opponent can then. cast 1 kill spell and reset the board to you having dork + effects from the two creatures after they're gone. Meh.
All that being said I do think it has potential for sideboarding. When you know the coast is clear in games 2/3 then it's a beating. For example, vs storm you can T1 dork T2 eldritch into eidolon of rhetoric. That's really strong. I run chord in the side in my elves list and its definately a strong play. The card is only as good as the combo pieces and silver bullets you surround it with though.
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Summoner's Pact can also tutor up Bounding Krasis, which can go infinite with Kiki-Jiki.
Too bad removal is so damn solid. Turn two Platinum Angel would be hilarious if it wouldn't just eat a PtE or Dismember.