A clever idea that's going around now is to have Ancestral Vision in one's side-board to replace Delver of Secrets in certain match-ups. It seems a fine idea, but I'm not interested in dumping $180-odd into side-board cards to test the theory.
So my question is, what would be viable alternatives here; card draw to replace Delver in match-ups where he's useless?
A clever idea that's going around now is to have Ancestral Vision in one's side-board to replace Delver of Secrets in certain match-ups. It seems a fine idea, but I'm not interested in dumping $180-odd into side-board cards to test the theory.
So my question is, what would be viable alternatives here; card draw to replace Delver in match-ups where he's useless?
If you're playing Grixis Delver, you can use Painful Truths instead. It's the best and most consistent mana to card rate in Modern outside of Vision.
Yes, I on the Grixis plan. Painful Truths is perhaps best. About the only other thing worth a thought seems to be Think Twice and it's probably not good enough.
I was hoping something cheap would be worthwhile. I guess this is the wrong format for cheap draw.
correct. GDD works with AV, Snapcaster does not. Well, snapcaster DOES work with AV, just not the way you want it to.
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Correct. You can technically give AV flashback with Snapcaster, but since AV has no casting cost (which is different than zero, like the Pacts), you can't actually cast it.
sometimes I wonder what percentage of us modern forum regulars are judges ^^
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About the only other thing worth a thought seems to be Think Twice and it's probably not good enough.
So could you say that you thought twice about Think Twice?
*Insert John Cena music here.*
In all seriousness, test a few different cards and see how they perform! You may find a mix of different cards better!
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On another note, I found the copy of AV I bought for the maybe-board of a commander deck. It still has the price on the sleve; $7.99
As izzetmage said, it has a cmc of 0.
Specifically, the cmc of any card without a mana cost is 0. When Dark Confidant flips over a land and asks what its CMC is, the land returns the value 0 as it has no mana cost. The same would happen with AV as well as all the suspend-only spells from Timespiral, as well as that one ultra-janky cantrip from Kamigawa block that has no mana cost and only works by splicing itself to other Arcane spells.
And as mentioned before, this is not to be confused with cards that have casting cost 0 like the pacts.
They do both have CMC 0, but a decisive difference comes from how the latter's is a payable cost, while the former has no payable cost period.
And while we're on the subject of Dark Dweller nonsense, don't try playing those Lorwynmoor spells that do things based on the color of mana spent to cast them. Don't play Converge spells either. Or spells reliant on a non-zero X cost. They'll do nothing, Converge for 0, and have X set to 0 respectively.
And as for AV alternatives, if you can durdle with a 3 mana permanent, Jace Beleren was the go to replacement for Ancestral Visions in Standard Faeries when AV rotated out.
And as for AV alternatives, if you can durdle with a 3 mana permanent, Jace Beleren was the go to replacement for Ancestral Visions in Standard Faeries when AV rotated out.
Jace Beleren is an interesting idea and I'll definitely go window shopping right away. I've also considered Jace, Vryn's Prodigy. I thought I might pick some up after they rotate out of Standard.
I will probably try a mix at first; one copy of Ancestral Vision, a few copies of Painful Truths, etc. Maybe I steal a bid on eBay and get another copy or three of AV cheap. It could happen.
What matchups are you taking out delver? I mean, that's what your deck is named after.
Any match-up where he sucks. Probably anything that runs Lightning Bolt. Seriously, grindy match-ups like Jund and probably other Grixis decks. It's not my idea, but it seems to have caught on with the Grixis Delver community.
Outpost Siege is also an option. If they don't get rid of it it will draw you even more cards than AV but otherwise AV or Painful Truths are better in my opinion.
Counterspell decks don't like that kind of red "draw".
So my question is, what would be viable alternatives here; card draw to replace Delver in match-ups where he's useless?
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If you're playing Grixis Delver, you can use Painful Truths instead. It's the best and most consistent mana to card rate in Modern outside of Vision.
I was hoping something cheap would be worthwhile. I guess this is the wrong format for cheap draw.
How does Ancestral Vision work with Snapcaster Mage?
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It doesn't, unfortunately.
UR ....... WUBR ........... WB ............. RGW ........ UBR ....... WUB .... BGU
Spells / Blink & Combo / Token Grind / Dino Tribal / Draw Cards / Zombies / Reanimate
I think that Goblin Dark-Dwellers does work however.
Modern -
Yes, I am a local area mod.WELP. GOOD LIFE CHANGES ALL HAPPEN AT ONCE AND SOME ARE MUTUALLY EXCLUSIVEPrimary Decks:
Modern: Esper Draw-Go
Legacy: RUG Lands
EDH: Sidisi turn-3 storm
UR ....... WUBR ........... WB ............. RGW ........ UBR ....... WUB .... BGU
Spells / Blink & Combo / Token Grind / Dino Tribal / Draw Cards / Zombies / Reanimate
Yes, I am a local area mod.WELP. GOOD LIFE CHANGES ALL HAPPEN AT ONCE AND SOME ARE MUTUALLY EXCLUSIVEPrimary Decks:
Modern: Esper Draw-Go
Legacy: RUG Lands
EDH: Sidisi turn-3 storm
So could you say that you thought twice about Think Twice?
*Insert John Cena music here.*
In all seriousness, test a few different cards and see how they perform! You may find a mix of different cards better!
How does Ancestral Vision work when it doesn't have a CC less than 3? Goblin Dark-Dwellers requires that.
On another note, I found the copy of AV I bought for the maybe-board of a commander deck. It still has the price on the sleve; $7.99
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Commander:WUG
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TBH, I'm not a Judge but know the answers for like 90% of the questions ^^
Hence, you do not need to be a Judge to have a great understanding of the rules (especially, when you play with decks like I am ^^ ).
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either funpolice (Delver, Deathcloud, UW Control) or the fun decks (especially those ft. Griselbrand)
UR ....... WUBR ........... WB ............. RGW ........ UBR ....... WUB .... BGU
Spells / Blink & Combo / Token Grind / Dino Tribal / Draw Cards / Zombies / Reanimate
As izzetmage said, it has a cmc of 0.
Specifically, the cmc of any card without a mana cost is 0. When Dark Confidant flips over a land and asks what its CMC is, the land returns the value 0 as it has no mana cost. The same would happen with AV as well as all the suspend-only spells from Timespiral, as well as that one ultra-janky cantrip from Kamigawa block that has no mana cost and only works by splicing itself to other Arcane spells.
And as mentioned before, this is not to be confused with cards that have casting cost 0 like the pacts.
They do both have CMC 0, but a decisive difference comes from how the latter's is a payable cost, while the former has no payable cost period.
And while we're on the subject of Dark Dweller nonsense, don't try playing those Lorwynmoor spells that do things based on the color of mana spent to cast them. Don't play Converge spells either. Or spells reliant on a non-zero X cost. They'll do nothing, Converge for 0, and have X set to 0 respectively.
And as for AV alternatives, if you can durdle with a 3 mana permanent, Jace Beleren was the go to replacement for Ancestral Visions in Standard Faeries when AV rotated out.
Jace Beleren is an interesting idea and I'll definitely go window shopping right away. I've also considered Jace, Vryn's Prodigy. I thought I might pick some up after they rotate out of Standard.
I will probably try a mix at first; one copy of Ancestral Vision, a few copies of Painful Truths, etc. Maybe I steal a bid on eBay and get another copy or three of AV cheap. It could happen.
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BW Knights(Rotated)Pioneer: RW Knights - BW Rally Zombies - UW Heroes
Commander:WUG
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B 8Rack
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RB Goblins
Any match-up where he sucks. Probably anything that runs Lightning Bolt. Seriously, grindy match-ups like Jund and probably other Grixis decks. It's not my idea, but it seems to have caught on with the Grixis Delver community.
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BW Knights(Rotated)Pioneer: RW Knights - BW Rally Zombies - UW Heroes
Commander:WUG
Jenara, Asura of War- WGSigarda, Host of HeronsCasualties of economicsLegacy: Good-night, sweet prince. Mono-R Burn
Decks I'm playing in Modern right now:
URB Grixis Reveler (http://www.mtgvault.com/supast4r7/decks/modern-grixis-reveler/)
UB Faeries (http://www.mtgvault.com/supast4r7/decks/ub-fae-2/)
UW Azorious Control (http://www.mtgvault.com/supast4r7/decks/modern-ojutai-control-2/)
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