So for the first time, Ad Nauseam takes down a GP!!! Way to go Andreas Ganz : with a pile of 62 cards and very questionnable choices, he makes history!!! I'm so glad, I would never have guessed that Ad Nauseam would tear up a field like that. ENJOY ALL AD NAUSEAM PLAYERS AROUND THE WORLD, OUR DAY IS TODAY
As an Affinity player, I can't help but feel a bit salty personally that it lost to Merfolk (which I would say generally Affinity is favored against), although I understand variance is part of the game.
Usually I won't comment on this mild level of salt I personally feel (let alone overreacting to it), but somehow part of me really wanted the kid to win the GP, so in a way that did amplify my own disappointment (and maybe salt) that I just had to comment on it. No hard feelings though, congratulations to Merfolk and the winner.
Honestly it's good the kid lost. If he'd have won I think retiring is the only option. 13 is too young to retire from mtg. lol.
retire? kid would have walked away with 10 grand! do you know how many plane tickets that buys him
Only if the Top 8/Top 4/Top 2 didn't agree to split beforehand. I wouldn't be surprised if by the time the finals happened, the prize money had been distributed and they were only playing for the Pro Points.
Ad Nauseam wins GP Charlotte, but also makes top 16 with the 14th seed (13-2, bad tie-breakers)! I think in LA, there's no top 32 Ad Nauseam, correct me if I'm wrong.
Ad Nauseam is just the best non interactive combo deck ever in Modern to me. It's been love and all since a year when I picked up the deck and always was glad with my results and results in Pro Tour (Jarred Boettcher 9th at Born of the Gods and Daniel Grafensteiner 7-2 at last Pro Tour), GPs (Darien Elderfield Top 4 in GP Charlotte 2015, Jon Benavides trial winner at GP Oklahoma City 2015, Troy Willmer trial winner at GP Detroit 2016), SCG Opens (Bill Raggle Top 16 at an IQ in Cleveland, Garrak Matheson 26th at SCG Open Charlotte 2015 and Nycholas Bird at the SCG Open in January) and States (Jonathan Benson taking down Colubums).
The deck is such a great deck : you sit by yourself, play cantrips for digging and placing mana rocks on the table while sculpting your hand and comboing in response to lethal damage. No interactions at all, I just love it. You have to love that and I know that the vast majority of player don't like it, but it's none of my business what players like or not. All I can say it that I love it
Ad Nauseam is just the best non interactive combo deck ever in Modern to me. It's been love and all since a year when I picked up the deck and always was glad with my results and results in Pro Tour (Jarred Boettcher 9th at Born of the Gods and Daniel Grafensteiner 7-2 at last Pro Tour), GPs (Darien Elderfield Top 4 in GP Charlotte 2015, Jon Benavides trial winner at GP Oklahoma City 2015, Troy Willmer trial winner at GP Detroit 2016), SCG Opens (Bill Raggle Top 16 at an IQ in Cleveland, Garrak Matheson 26th at SCG Open Charlotte 2015 and Nycholas Bird at the SCG Open in January) and States (Jonathan Benson taking down Colubums).
The deck is such a great deck : you sit by yourself, play cantrips for digging and placing mana rocks on the table while sculpting your hand and comboing in response to lethal damage. No interactions at all, I just love it. You have to love that and I know that the vast majority of player don't like it, but it's none of my business what players like or not. All I can say it that I love it
This really made me laugh out loud reading it. Cheers to you.
I've lost to the Merfolk player so many times - nice to know I've been losing to a winner!
yes, he is a very adept fish player who has been on the deck as long as I've seen him around. The same pptq that he lost in the finals to suicide zoo, I also had lost that suicide zoo in the previous round (killed my grishoalbrand on turn 3 in games 1 and 3).
Out of curiosity Niall, do you play at plus ev games?
Ad Nauseam is just the best non interactive combo deck ever in Modern to me. It's been love and all since a year when I picked up the deck and always was glad with my results and results in Pro Tour (Jarred Boettcher 9th at Born of the Gods and Daniel Grafensteiner 7-2 at last Pro Tour), GPs (Darien Elderfield Top 4 in GP Charlotte 2015, Jon Benavides trial winner at GP Oklahoma City 2015, Troy Willmer trial winner at GP Detroit 2016), SCG Opens (Bill Raggle Top 16 at an IQ in Cleveland, Garrak Matheson 26th at SCG Open Charlotte 2015 and Nycholas Bird at the SCG Open in January) and States (Jonathan Benson taking down Colubums).
The deck is such a great deck : you sit by yourself, play cantrips for digging and placing mana rocks on the table while sculpting your hand and comboing in response to lethal damage. No interactions at all, I just love it. You have to love that and I know that the vast majority of player don't like it, but it's none of my business what players like or not. All I can say it that I love it
i feel you bro. I'm on that same level. 😎
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Standard - Mono Red (6-2 and 5-3 in 2 McQ)
Draft - (I wish I had more time for limited...)
Commander - Norin the Wary, Grimgrin, Adun Oakenshield (taking forever to build) (dead format for me)
*Two decklists are missing: Andrew Jeffries (14th) and Andrew Lillig (18th). TomCourtenay said Jeffries is on AN, I'll take his word for it.
Combined
Jund/Abzan/Rock 1111111
Affinity 111111
Merfolk 11111
Naya Burn 11111
UG Infect 11111
Scapeshift 11111
Jeskai 11111
Abzan Company 1111
Bant Eldrazi 111
Ad Nauseam 11
Goryo's Vengeance 11
RG Tron 11
Blue Moon 11
Suicide Zoo 1
Bushwhacker Zoo 1
BG Elves 1
GW Tokens 1
GW Hatebears 1
Company Zoo 1
Bant Knightfall 1
Kiki Chord 1
Grixis Delver 1
Grixis Control 1
Comments:
- The top tier is the same as it's always been. Jund, Affinity, Burn, Infect are all up there. Merfolk goes in and out of tier 1 all the time.
- Blue-based decks are doing much better thanks to AV and Nahiri. Blue Moon and Grixis (Delver/Control) both make great use of it, especially when you draw Goblin Dark-Dwellers after unsuspending it . Nahiri is pretty much the stock wincon of Jeskai now. Sometimes it's paired with AV, sometimes it's not, sometimes AV is SBed. There even was one Jeskai deck that mained AV without Nahiri.
- Sword of the Meek was a bust as far as unbans go. I stand by what I've said in the Indianapolis thread: Nahiri is just a better wincon. The cost for playing Nahiri is minuscule: you just have to put 1 Emrakul in your deck and play red. With Thopter Sword, you have to replace a bunch of 7/10 cards with cards that can vary from 3/10 to 10/10 - cards like Muddle the Mixture, Academy Ruins, Thirst for Knowledge. It's just higher variance. Nevertheless, no harm was done by unbanning Sword, so no objections there.
- Eldrazi is still a deck. You can convert a pre-ban Eldrazi deck into one that's legal now: UW becomes Bant with Ancient Stirrings and Noble Hierarch, while RG is the same as it was before, just with more Bolts.
- There are fewer RG Tron/RG Valakut decks than there were at SCG Indianapolis. In particular there were 0 RG Valakut decks in the top 32 of either event. I think the deck was overhyped for Indianapolis, it's a decent tier 2 deck which got a consistency tool in Oath of Nissa, that's all.
- Ad Nauseam winning GP Charlotte was the high point for me. In hindsight it seemed like a good meta choice: it beats blue decks pretty handily due to its instant-speed win and endless Pact backups. Company decks are also good matchups; the main advantage that Company decks have is being able to outgrind removal with the namesake card, but against a spell-based combo like AN, Company loses its shine since AN won't be actively killing creatures, and it isn't fast enough to race AN. The AN player who won the GP lost only 1 game in the top 8, and the cause of the loss was his own deck crapping on him (Spoils of the Vault exiling both wincons).
Does this include Brian Braun Duin's Abzan Aggro list with no planeswalkers and 21 creatures + 4 Lingering Souls? I think that belongs in it's own Abzan Aggro category.
All the top-32 of GP Los Angeles are solid decks. GP Charlotte... I'm lost. Especially Ad-Nauseam. How often does it win before turn 4? And where does it get its consistency from? You need multiple pieces, it's like a collected company deck without the beatdown plan. This is one deck I have no clue how it works.
All the top-32 of GP Los Angeles are solid decks. GP Charlotte... I'm lost. Especially Ad-Nauseam. How often does it win before turn 4?
Very rarely. You can do it with a turn two Prism into a turn three land, SSG, Grace and Ad Nauseam, but that's a four card combo. There are a few other lines that get there too, but again, they are very rare. In the vast majority of games, it's a non-interactive turn four deck. It had spectacular positioning going into the event and I am happy one of its pilots went all the way.
*Two decklists are missing: Andrew Jeffries (14th) and Andrew Lillig (18th). TomCourtenay said Jeffries is on AN, I'll take his word for it.
Combined
Jund/Abzan/Rock 1111111
Affinity 111111
Merfolk 11111
Naya Burn 11111
UG Infect 11111
Scapeshift 11111
Jeskai 11111
Abzan Company 1111
Bant Eldrazi 111
Ad Nauseam 11
Goryo's Vengeance 11
RG Tron 11
Blue Moon 11
Suicide Zoo 1
Bushwhacker Zoo 1
BG Elves 1
GW Tokens 1
GW Hatebears 1
Company Zoo 1
Bant Knightfall 1
Kiki Chord 1
Grixis Delver 1
Grixis Control 1
Comments:
- The top tier is the same as it's always been. Jund, Affinity, Burn, Infect are all up there. Merfolk goes in and out of tier 1 all the time.
- Blue-based decks are doing much better thanks to AV and Nahiri. Blue Moon and Grixis (Delver/Control) both make great use of it, especially when you draw Goblin Dark-Dwellers after unsuspending it . Nahiri is pretty much the stock wincon of Jeskai now. Sometimes it's paired with AV, sometimes it's not, sometimes AV is SBed. There even was one Jeskai deck that mained AV without Nahiri.
- Sword of the Meek was a bust as far as unbans go. I stand by what I've said in the Indianapolis thread: Nahiri is just a better wincon. The cost for playing Nahiri is minuscule: you just have to put 1 Emrakul in your deck and play red. With Thopter Sword, you have to replace a bunch of 7/10 cards with cards that can vary from 3/10 to 10/10 - cards like Muddle the Mixture, Academy Ruins, Thirst for Knowledge. It's just higher variance. Nevertheless, no harm was done by unbanning Sword, so no objections there.
- Eldrazi is still a deck. You can convert a pre-ban Eldrazi deck into one that's legal now: UW becomes Bant with Ancient Stirrings and Noble Hierarch, while RG is the same as it was before, just with more Bolts.
- There are fewer RG Tron/RG Valakut decks than there were at SCG Indianapolis. In particular there were 0 RG Valakut decks in the top 32 of either event. I think the deck was overhyped for Indianapolis, it's a decent tier 2 deck which got a consistency tool in Oath of Nissa, that's all.
- Ad Nauseam winning GP Charlotte was the high point for me. In hindsight it seemed like a good meta choice: it beats blue decks pretty handily due to its instant-speed win and endless Pact backups. Company decks are also good matchups; the main advantage that Company decks have is being able to outgrind removal with the namesake card, but against a spell-based combo like AN, Company loses its shine since AN won't be actively killing creatures, and it isn't fast enough to race AN. The AN player who won the GP lost only 1 game in the top 8, and the cause of the loss was his own deck crapping on him (Spoils of the Vault exiling both wincons).
That's pretty much it. And there was a snaffu with the tournament software at charlotte, made a bunch of people drop and round four was randomly paired. And an awesome 13 year old on affinity lost in the finals.
I must be missing something about this 13 year old. There only seemed to be 1 affinity in the top 32, and zero in the top 8. The one pilot was Artur Villela and he certainly does not appear to be a 13 year old.
I must be missing something about this 13 year old. There only seemed to be 1 affinity in the top 32, and zero in the top 8. The one pilot was Artur Villela and he certainly does not appear to be a 13 year old.
Are you looking at GP LA? LA had 2 affinity decks in the top 8.
I must be missing something about this 13 year old. There only seemed to be 1 affinity in the top 32, and zero in the top 8. The one pilot was Artur Villela and he certainly does not appear to be a 13 year old.
Are you looking at GP LA? LA had 2 affinity decks in the top 8.
Indeed I was not, did not realize both tournaments were the same weekend.
All the top-32 of GP Los Angeles are solid decks. GP Charlotte... I'm lost. Especially Ad-Nauseam. How often does it win before turn 4? And where does it get its consistency from? You need multiple pieces, it's like a collected company deck without the beatdown plan. This is one deck I have no clue how it works.
Ad Nauseam can win on the draw on turn 2, but it's less than 1% out of all my games.
*Two decklists are missing: Andrew Jeffries (14th) and Andrew Lillig (18th). TomCourtenay said Jeffries is on AN, I'll take his word for it.
Combined
Jund/Abzan/Rock 1111111
Affinity 111111
Merfolk 11111
Naya Burn 11111
UG Infect 11111
Scapeshift 11111
Jeskai 11111
Abzan Company 1111
Bant Eldrazi 111
Ad Nauseam 11
Goryo's Vengeance 11
RG Tron 11
Blue Moon 11
Suicide Zoo 1
Bushwhacker Zoo 1
BG Elves 1
GW Tokens 1
GW Hatebears 1
Company Zoo 1
Bant Knightfall 1
Kiki Chord 1
Grixis Delver 1
Grixis Control 1
Comments:
- The top tier is the same as it's always been. Jund, Affinity, Burn, Infect are all up there. Merfolk goes in and out of tier 1 all the time.
- Blue-based decks are doing much better thanks to AV and Nahiri. Blue Moon and Grixis (Delver/Control) both make great use of it, especially when you draw Goblin Dark-Dwellers after unsuspending it . Nahiri is pretty much the stock wincon of Jeskai now. Sometimes it's paired with AV, sometimes it's not, sometimes AV is SBed. There even was one Jeskai deck that mained AV without Nahiri.
- Sword of the Meek was a bust as far as unbans go. I stand by what I've said in the Indianapolis thread: Nahiri is just a better wincon. The cost for playing Nahiri is minuscule: you just have to put 1 Emrakul in your deck and play red. With Thopter Sword, you have to replace a bunch of 7/10 cards with cards that can vary from 3/10 to 10/10 - cards like Muddle the Mixture, Academy Ruins, Thirst for Knowledge. It's just higher variance. Nevertheless, no harm was done by unbanning Sword, so no objections there.
- Eldrazi is still a deck. You can convert a pre-ban Eldrazi deck into one that's legal now: UW becomes Bant with Ancient Stirrings and Noble Hierarch, while RG is the same as it was before, just with more Bolts.
- There are fewer RG Tron/RG Valakut decks than there were at SCG Indianapolis. In particular there were 0 RG Valakut decks in the top 32 of either event. I think the deck was overhyped for Indianapolis, it's a decent tier 2 deck which got a consistency tool in Oath of Nissa, that's all.
- Ad Nauseam winning GP Charlotte was the high point for me. In hindsight it seemed like a good meta choice: it beats blue decks pretty handily due to its instant-speed win and endless Pact backups. Company decks are also good matchups; the main advantage that Company decks have is being able to outgrind removal with the namesake card, but against a spell-based combo like AN, Company loses its shine since AN won't be actively killing creatures, and it isn't fast enough to race AN. The AN player who won the GP lost only 1 game in the top 8, and the cause of the loss was his own deck crapping on him (Spoils of the Vault exiling both wincons).
That's pretty much it. And there was a snaffu with the tournament software at charlotte, made a bunch of people drop and round four was randomly paired. And an awesome 13 year old on affinity lost in the finals.
Thanks also. I am beginning to go trough all of the overage myself now. Should keep me busy for a few days at least.
All the top-32 of GP Los Angeles are solid decks. GP Charlotte... I'm lost. Especially Ad-Nauseam. How often does it win before turn 4? And where does it get its consistency from? You need multiple pieces, it's like a collected company deck without the beatdown plan. This is one deck I have no clue how it works.
retire? kid would have walked away with 10 grand! do you know how many plane tickets that buys him
UWRjeskai nahiri UWR
UBRgrixis titi UBR
UBRgrixis delverUBR
UR ur kikimite UR
EDH
RUG Riku of Two Reflections RUG
UBR Marchesa, the Black Rose UBR
UBRGYidris, Maelstrom Wielder UBRG
UBRJeleva, Nephalia's ScourgeUBR
Aggro: Naya Burn RWG
Combo: Scapeshift RG
Control: Jeskai Control UWR
Legacy
Control: Miracles UW
Aggro: Burn R
Usually I won't comment on this mild level of salt I personally feel (let alone overreacting to it), but somehow part of me really wanted the kid to win the GP, so in a way that did amplify my own disappointment (and maybe salt) that I just had to comment on it. No hard feelings though, congratulations to Merfolk and the winner.
Aggro: Naya Burn RWG
Combo: Scapeshift RG
Control: Jeskai Control UWR
Legacy
Control: Miracles UW
Aggro: Burn R
The deck is such a great deck : you sit by yourself, play cantrips for digging and placing mana rocks on the table while sculpting your hand and comboing in response to lethal damage. No interactions at all, I just love it. You have to love that and I know that the vast majority of player don't like it, but it's none of my business what players like or not. All I can say it that I love it
Aggro: Naya Burn RWG
Combo: Scapeshift RG
Control: Jeskai Control UWR
Legacy
Control: Miracles UW
Aggro: Burn R
This really made me laugh out loud reading it. Cheers to you.
Out of curiosity Niall, do you play at plus ev games?
i feel you bro. I'm on that same level. 😎
Premodern - Trix, RecSur, Enchantress, Reanimator, Elves https://www.facebook.com/groups/PremodernUSA/
Modern - Neobrand, Hogaak Vine, Elves
Standard - Mono Red (6-2 and 5-3 in 2 McQ)
Draft - (I wish I had more time for limited...)
Commander -
Norin the Wary, Grimgrin, Adun Oakenshield (taking forever to build)(dead format for me)RGTron
UGInfect
URStorm
WUBRAd Nauseam
BRGrishoalbrand
URGScapeshift
WBGAbzan Company
WUBRGAmulet Titan
BRGLiving End
WGBogles
RG Tron 11
Jund 11
Bant Eldrazi 1
Affinity 11111
Abzan Company 11
Grixis Control 1
Jeskai Nahiri 1
UG Infect 111
GW Tokens 1
BTL Scapeshift 1
BG Rock (not even Lingering Souls) 1
Naya Burn 111
Blue Moon (with AV) 1
GW Hatebears 1
Grishoalbrand 1
RUG Scapeshift 1
*Paul Rietzl's Blue Moon was incorrectly classified as Grixis Control.
Company Zoo 1
Jund 111
Kiki Chord 1
BTL Scapeshift 111
Bant Knightfall 1
Suicide Zoo 1
Bushwhacker Zoo 1
UG Infect 11
Bant Eldrazi 11
Grixis Delver 1
Blue Moon (with AV) 1
Naya Burn 11
Affinity 1
Abzan Company 11
Jeskai (AV, no Nahiri) 1
Jeskai Nahiri 111
Grixis Goryo's 1
Abzan 1
BG Elves 1
*Two decklists are missing: Andrew Jeffries (14th) and Andrew Lillig (18th). TomCourtenay said Jeffries is on AN, I'll take his word for it.
Affinity 111111
Merfolk 11111
Naya Burn 11111
UG Infect 11111
Scapeshift 11111
Jeskai 11111
Abzan Company 1111
Bant Eldrazi 111
Ad Nauseam 11
Goryo's Vengeance 11
RG Tron 11
Blue Moon 11
Suicide Zoo 1
Bushwhacker Zoo 1
BG Elves 1
GW Tokens 1
GW Hatebears 1
Company Zoo 1
Bant Knightfall 1
Kiki Chord 1
Grixis Delver 1
Grixis Control 1
- The top tier is the same as it's always been. Jund, Affinity, Burn, Infect are all up there. Merfolk goes in and out of tier 1 all the time.
- Blue-based decks are doing much better thanks to AV and Nahiri. Blue Moon and Grixis (Delver/Control) both make great use of it, especially when you draw Goblin Dark-Dwellers after unsuspending it . Nahiri is pretty much the stock wincon of Jeskai now. Sometimes it's paired with AV, sometimes it's not, sometimes AV is SBed. There even was one Jeskai deck that mained AV without Nahiri.
- Sword of the Meek was a bust as far as unbans go. I stand by what I've said in the Indianapolis thread: Nahiri is just a better wincon. The cost for playing Nahiri is minuscule: you just have to put 1 Emrakul in your deck and play red. With Thopter Sword, you have to replace a bunch of 7/10 cards with cards that can vary from 3/10 to 10/10 - cards like Muddle the Mixture, Academy Ruins, Thirst for Knowledge. It's just higher variance. Nevertheless, no harm was done by unbanning Sword, so no objections there.
- Eldrazi is still a deck. You can convert a pre-ban Eldrazi deck into one that's legal now: UW becomes Bant with Ancient Stirrings and Noble Hierarch, while RG is the same as it was before, just with more Bolts.
- There are fewer RG Tron/RG Valakut decks than there were at SCG Indianapolis. In particular there were 0 RG Valakut decks in the top 32 of either event. I think the deck was overhyped for Indianapolis, it's a decent tier 2 deck which got a consistency tool in Oath of Nissa, that's all.
- Ad Nauseam winning GP Charlotte was the high point for me. In hindsight it seemed like a good meta choice: it beats blue decks pretty handily due to its instant-speed win and endless Pact backups. Company decks are also good matchups; the main advantage that Company decks have is being able to outgrind removal with the namesake card, but against a spell-based combo like AN, Company loses its shine since AN won't be actively killing creatures, and it isn't fast enough to race AN. The AN player who won the GP lost only 1 game in the top 8, and the cause of the loss was his own deck crapping on him (Spoils of the Vault exiling both wincons).
| Ad Nauseam
| Infect
Big Johnny.
Does this include Brian Braun Duin's Abzan Aggro list with no planeswalkers and 21 creatures + 4 Lingering Souls? I think that belongs in it's own Abzan Aggro category.
UWRUWR Delver/Lynx TempoUWR-------UWRUWR Midrange GeistUWR-------UWRUWR Nahiri ControlUWR-------UWRUWR SaheeliUWR
BGRJund / Jund ShadowBGR-------BGWAbzan / Abzan ShadowBGW
Commander (Leviathan/MTGO): UWGeist of Saint TraftUW
Very rarely. You can do it with a turn two Prism into a turn three land, SSG, Grace and Ad Nauseam, but that's a four card combo. There are a few other lines that get there too, but again, they are very rare. In the vast majority of games, it's a non-interactive turn four deck. It had spectacular positioning going into the event and I am happy one of its pilots went all the way.
Dare I ask for a tl/dr rundown?
That's pretty much it. And there was a snaffu with the tournament software at charlotte, made a bunch of people drop and round four was randomly paired. And an awesome 13 year old on affinity lost in the finals.
Are you looking at GP LA? LA had 2 affinity decks in the top 8.
Indeed I was not, did not realize both tournaments were the same weekend.
Ad Nauseam can win on the draw on turn 2, but it's less than 1% out of all my games.
Aggro: Naya Burn RWG
Combo: Scapeshift RG
Control: Jeskai Control UWR
Legacy
Control: Miracles UW
Aggro: Burn R
MTGO/MTGA: Tyclone
My Primers ~ GWx Vizier Company ~ Knightfall ~ RG Eldrazi ~ Green's Sun's Zenith
More Brews ~ Modern Four Horsemen ~ Gitrog Dredge
Its gets its consistency from the usual blue cantrips like sleight of hand and serum visions , but also in the 1 mana "tutor" spoils of the vault . And to be sure, its only a two card combo, with Ad Nauseam being paired with either Angel's Grace or Phyrexian Unlife . Lets you draw your entire deck then and win with your kill cards, eiher Lightning Storm or Laboratory Maniac . Its consistent and dodges a lot of hate.
Any sufficiently advanced combo deck is indistinguishable from magic.
| Ad Nauseam
| Infect
Big Johnny.