They announced Goblin Charbelcher earlier, which is used in the Modern Belcher deck. They've listed a few others as well, but unfortunately the focus of this set is Vintage, Legacy, and EDH.
I'm more worried for the prospect of ever getting cards like Counterspell and Wirewood Symbiote in Modern if they are in this set.
We were never going to get Wirewood Symbiote - but I don't know that anything really changes regarding counterspell other than now it is more available. We're just as likely to get counterspell after this comes out as we were before - which is to say, not much likelihood at all (~0.1%).
They announced Goblin Charbelcher earlier, which is used in the Modern Belcher deck. They've listed a few others as well, but unfortunately the focus of this set is Vintage, Legacy, and EDH.
I'm more worried for the prospect of ever getting cards like Counterspell and Wirewood Symbiote in Modern if they are in this set.
We were never going to get Wirewood Symbiote - but I don't know that anything really changes regarding counterspell other than now it is more available. We're just as likely to get counterspell after this comes out as we were before - which is to say, not much likelihood at all (~0.1%).
I agree with Irmo, but for a slightly different reason. The fact that they put in Counterspell as a COMMON tends to point to a decision that WOTC won't print it in a Standard set any time soon. If they were going to upgrade the rarity, this would have been the perfect place to do it. They already upgraded Lightning Bolt's rarity, and the two cards are often seen as comparable. Counterspell at Common will likely be too powerful and "unfun" for a regular set's draft format and therefore likely won't enter Standard any time soon.
They announced Goblin Charbelcher earlier, which is used in the Modern Belcher deck. They've listed a few others as well, but unfortunately the focus of this set is Vintage, Legacy, and EDH.
I'm more worried for the prospect of ever getting cards like Counterspell and Wirewood Symbiote in Modern if they are in this set.
We were never going to get Wirewood Symbiote - but I don't know that anything really changes regarding counterspell other than now it is more available. We're just as likely to get counterspell after this comes out as we were before - which is to say, not much likelihood at all (~0.1%).
I agree with Irmo, but for a slightly different reason. The fact that they put in Counterspell as a COMMON tends to point to a decision that WOTC won't print it in a Standard set any time soon. If they were going to upgrade the rarity, this would have been the perfect place to do it. They already upgraded Lightning Bolt's rarity, and the two cards are often seen as comparable. Counterspell at Common will likely be too powerful and "unfun" for a regular set's draft format and therefore likely won't enter Standard any time soon.
Rarity in this set has nothing to do with anything regarding playability or reprtinability in another format - rarities here are only to check the amount of copies in print and the limited impacts. That's it.
They announced Goblin Charbelcher earlier, which is used in the Modern Belcher deck. They've listed a few others as well, but unfortunately the focus of this set is Vintage, Legacy, and EDH.
I'm more worried for the prospect of ever getting cards like Counterspell and Wirewood Symbiote in Modern if they are in this set.
We were never going to get Wirewood Symbiote - but I don't know that anything really changes regarding counterspell other than now it is more available. We're just as likely to get counterspell after this comes out as we were before - which is to say, not much likelihood at all (~0.1%).
I agree with Irmo, but for a slightly different reason. The fact that they put in Counterspell as a COMMON tends to point to a decision that WOTC won't print it in a Standard set any time soon. If they were going to upgrade the rarity, this would have been the perfect place to do it. They already upgraded Lightning Bolt's rarity, and the two cards are often seen as comparable. Counterspell at Common will likely be too powerful and "unfun" for a regular set's draft format and therefore likely won't enter Standard any time soon.
Rarity in this set has nothing to do with anything regarding playability or reprtinability in another format - rarities here are only to check the amount of copies in print and the limited impacts. That's it.
They announced Goblin Charbelcher earlier, which is used in the Modern Belcher deck. They've listed a few others as well, but unfortunately the focus of this set is Vintage, Legacy, and EDH.
I'm more worried for the prospect of ever getting cards like Counterspell and Wirewood Symbiote in Modern if they are in this set.
We were never going to get Wirewood Symbiote - but I don't know that anything really changes regarding counterspell other than now it is more available. We're just as likely to get counterspell after this comes out as we were before - which is to say, not much likelihood at all (~0.1%).
I agree with Irmo, but for a slightly different reason. The fact that they put in Counterspell as a COMMON tends to point to a decision that WOTC won't print it in a Standard set any time soon. If they were going to upgrade the rarity, this would have been the perfect place to do it. They already upgraded Lightning Bolt's rarity, and the two cards are often seen as comparable. Counterspell at Common will likely be too powerful and "unfun" for a regular set's draft format and therefore likely won't enter Standard any time soon.
Rarity in this set has nothing to do with anything regarding playability or reprtinability in another format - rarities here are only to check the amount of copies in print and the limited impacts. That's it.
Source?
There doesn't need to be a source.. that's all rarities signify - how common they want them to show up in limited formats (the overwhelming main reason) and to check prices (Goyf in both MMs is the big one - now FOW as well). Rarity shifts have never meant anything other than one of these two things (other than our ability to play them in pauper or not).
Edit - In re-reading your post: it is understood by everyone that rarity in a given set is independent of something's rarity in other sets correct? If Wizards released yearly draft sets and in one set lightning bolt was a mythic (because EVERY creature in the draft format was x/3 or smaller and thusly didn't want completely destroy the format with bolt at common/uncommon) and in the following year was a common (because it wouldn't do anything to warp the draft beyond how they designed it) then that is WELL within their wheelhouse and as such Bolt would have 2 different rarities which would depend on which set you were talking about. Rarities don't mean anything.
Wrath of God is getting a reprint. Again.
In its defense I am fine with more black border ***s seeing print, as frequently reprinted as *** was the vast majority of those reprints were white border.
No offense to people who like white border.
It does make me wonder if Blood Moon is a classic enough effect that they would throw it in, a number of cards in EMA so far seem chosen for historical value moreso than to help add to the supply.
Wrath of God is getting a reprint. Again.
In its defense I am fine with more black border ***s seeing print, as frequently reprinted as *** was the vast majority of those reprints were white border.
No offense to people who like white border.
It does make me wonder if Blood Moon is a classic enough effect that they would throw it in, a number of cards in EMA so far seem chosen for historical value moreso than to help add to the supply.
They're not printing high value modern cards in the set - they've been extremely clear about that, hence no Damnation.
Wrath of God is getting a reprint. Again.
In its defense I am fine with more black border ***s seeing print, as frequently reprinted as *** was the vast majority of those reprints were white border.
No offense to people who like white border.
It does make me wonder if Blood Moon is a classic enough effect that they would throw it in, a number of cards in EMA so far seem chosen for historical value moreso than to help add to the supply.
They're not printing high value modern cards in the set - they've been extremely clear about that, hence no Damnation.
That's actually very disappointing. At least Karakas is getting a reprint.
Wrath of God is getting a reprint. Again.
In its defense I am fine with more black border ***s seeing print, as frequently reprinted as *** was the vast majority of those reprints were white border.
No offense to people who like white border.
It does make me wonder if Blood Moon is a classic enough effect that they would throw it in, a number of cards in EMA so far seem chosen for historical value moreso than to help add to the supply.
They're not printing high value modern cards in the set - they've been extremely clear about that, hence no Damnation.
That's actually very disappointing. At least Karakas is getting a reprint.
At least they've been pretty clear about it - not every release can contain great modern stuff, and I'm sure we're going to continue to see awesome modern reprints through the summer and into the commander sets (there are like 4 more supplemental products coming out between now and the end of the year).
We were never going to get Wirewood Symbiote - but I don't know that anything really changes regarding counterspell other than now it is more available. We're just as likely to get counterspell after this comes out as we were before - which is to say, not much likelihood at all (~0.1%).
I agree with Irmo, but for a slightly different reason. The fact that they put in Counterspell as a COMMON tends to point to a decision that WOTC won't print it in a Standard set any time soon. If they were going to upgrade the rarity, this would have been the perfect place to do it. They already upgraded Lightning Bolt's rarity, and the two cards are often seen as comparable. Counterspell at Common will likely be too powerful and "unfun" for a regular set's draft format and therefore likely won't enter Standard any time soon.
Rarity in this set has nothing to do with anything regarding playability or reprtinability in another format - rarities here are only to check the amount of copies in print and the limited impacts. That's it.
Source?
There doesn't need to be a source.. that's all rarities signify - how common they want them to show up in limited formats (the overwhelming main reason) and to check prices (Goyf in both MMs is the big one - now FOW as well). Rarity shifts have never meant anything other than one of these two things (other than our ability to play them in pauper or not).
Edit - In re-reading your post: it is understood by everyone that rarity in a given set is independent of something's rarity in other sets correct? If Wizards released yearly draft sets and in one set lightning bolt was a mythic (because EVERY creature in the draft format was x/3 or smaller and thusly didn't want completely destroy the format with bolt at common/uncommon) and in the following year was a common (because it wouldn't do anything to warp the draft beyond how they designed it) then that is WELL within their wheelhouse and as such Bolt would have 2 different rarities which would depend on which set you were talking about. Rarities don't mean anything.
I was always under the impression that a rarity shift, while certainly pertinent and potentially driven by the current limited format, also marked a shift in WOTC's design philosophy. However, in looking for quotes or articles to substantiate it, all I found on point was this:
Rarity shifts are when card developers in R&D change the rarity of a card to augment an archetype in a Limited environment.
While one could potentially argue that's a partial and incomplete definition, it's also all I could find and it goes a long way to prove your point. So I'll concede it.
I agree with Irmo, but for a slightly different reason. The fact that they put in Counterspell as a COMMON tends to point to a decision that WOTC won't print it in a Standard set any time soon. If they were going to upgrade the rarity, this would have been the perfect place to do it. They already upgraded Lightning Bolt's rarity, and the two cards are often seen as comparable. Counterspell at Common will likely be too powerful and "unfun" for a regular set's draft format and therefore likely won't enter Standard any time soon.
Rarity in this set has nothing to do with anything regarding playability or reprtinability in another format - rarities here are only to check the amount of copies in print and the limited impacts. That's it.
Source?
There doesn't need to be a source.. that's all rarities signify - how common they want them to show up in limited formats (the overwhelming main reason) and to check prices (Goyf in both MMs is the big one - now FOW as well). Rarity shifts have never meant anything other than one of these two things (other than our ability to play them in pauper or not).
Edit - In re-reading your post: it is understood by everyone that rarity in a given set is independent of something's rarity in other sets correct? If Wizards released yearly draft sets and in one set lightning bolt was a mythic (because EVERY creature in the draft format was x/3 or smaller and thusly didn't want completely destroy the format with bolt at common/uncommon) and in the following year was a common (because it wouldn't do anything to warp the draft beyond how they designed it) then that is WELL within their wheelhouse and as such Bolt would have 2 different rarities which would depend on which set you were talking about. Rarities don't mean anything.
I was always under the impression that a rarity shift, while certainly pertinent and potentially driven by the current limited format, also marked a shift in WOTC's design philosophy. However, in looking for quotes or articles to substantiate it, all I found on point was this:
Rarity shifts are when card developers in R&D change the rarity of a card to augment an archetype in a Limited environment.
While one could potentially argue that's a partial and incomplete definition, it's also all I could find and it goes a long way to prove your point. So I'll concede it.
For sure for sure - as far as I've always understood, rarities are just tools used to balance the limited format they're a part of and is why promos never have rarities. With that said, they definitely DO change the way that they assign rarities based on different design philosophies, so I agree with you there - I just don't think that them changing a rarity for one draft format signifies anything too specific about any one given card. Ya feel me?
I don't understand why everyone is crying about why there won't be many of any at all good modern cards. It's called eternal masters. Not modern masters. Sorry modern players but you'll have to wait til next year to see some good modern playables. Or just wait until origins rotates out of standard late this year. I started playing around tempest block and got out of it around planechase. These are the cards I learned with and I'm excited to see them back without the unnecessary price tag. This is going to make vintage and legacy much more affordable overall. All I have to say is U/W control like a mf. And I have some ideas for mono red. Some additions to my U/R aggro vintage deck and my currently standard mono white humans. Vintage legacy and edh will be the way to go this summer. Keep in mind there's a new ftv coming out and a new conspiracy coming out. Lots of draft/cube/vintage play will be coming your way. Just accept it and if you don't want to spend $10 a pack just get the singles you do want and call it a day. If they don't reprint damnation, oh well. I guess if you want it, a) good luck finding someone willing to part with that good of a card or b) buy the single off eBay. Either way, if it's reprinted or not it will still carry a pretty ugly price tag for us consumers. I wasn't willing to spend $35 on dack fayden so I bought a couple conspiracy packs. Didn't pull him. Disappointing, yes. Did I cry because I didn't pull the $350 foil? No. I spent $12. I didn't expect much. Some of you guys are ridiculous.
I don't understand why everyone is crying about why there won't be many of any at all good modern cards. It's called eternal masters. Not modern masters. Sorry modern players but you'll have to wait til next year to see some good modern playables. Or just wait until origins rotates out of standard late this year. I started playing around tempest block and got out of it around planechase. These are the cards I learned with and I'm excited to see them back without the unnecessary price tag. This is going to make vintage and legacy much more affordable overall. All I have to say is U/W control like a mf. And I have some ideas for mono red. Some additions to my U/R aggro vintage deck and my currently standard mono white humans. Vintage legacy and edh will be the way to go this summer. Keep in mind there's a new ftv coming out and a new conspiracy coming out. Lots of draft/cube/vintage play will be coming your way. Just accept it and if you don't want to spend $10 a pack just get the singles you do want and call it a day. If they don't reprint damnation, oh well. I guess if you want it, a) good luck finding someone willing to part with that good of a card or b) buy the single off eBay. Either way, if it's reprinted or not it will still carry a pretty ugly price tag for us consumers. I wasn't willing to spend $35 on dack fayden so I bought a couple conspiracy packs. Didn't pull him. Disappointing, yes. Did I cry because I didn't pull the $350 foil? No. I spent $12. I didn't expect much. Some of you guys are ridiculous.
Since you replied to me with this one, I'll answer back. I don't see all these people "crying", but it shouldn't be surprising that people are hoping for some reprints were Modern and Eternal/EDH overlaps. Chalice of the void has been explicitly mentioned in this thread several times as a card that sees a lot of Vintage/Legacy play that also has Modern relevance; that's why I thought it might be of interest to people to know that it was out. My post was not a "Goddamnitspaghetti Wizards where is my Chalice of the void for zero money"-rage. It was simply meant to be informative.
I am unsure whether you are right about this making vintage and legacy more affordable. Online-yes (and I think that is a big part of their eternal strategy, e.g. the Legacy festival). In paper- non-reprinted staples off and (especially on) the reserved list will still be expensive, and might spike hard if interest grows. So assembling Vintage/Legacy decks will still be super difficult.
I don't understand why everyone is crying about why there won't be many of any at all good modern cards. It's called eternal masters. Not modern masters. Sorry modern players but you'll have to wait til next year to see some good modern playables. Or just wait until origins rotates out of standard late this year. I started playing around tempest block and got out of it around planechase. These are the cards I learned with and I'm excited to see them back without the unnecessary price tag. This is going to make vintage and legacy much more affordable overall. All I have to say is U/W control like a mf. And I have some ideas for mono red. Some additions to my U/R aggro vintage deck and my currently standard mono white humans. Vintage legacy and edh will be the way to go this summer. Keep in mind there's a new ftv coming out and a new conspiracy coming out. Lots of draft/cube/vintage play will be coming your way. Just accept it and if you don't want to spend $10 a pack just get the singles you do want and call it a day. If they don't reprint damnation, oh well. I guess if you want it, a) good luck finding someone willing to part with that good of a card or b) buy the single off eBay. Either way, if it's reprinted or not it will still carry a pretty ugly price tag for us consumers. I wasn't willing to spend $35 on dack fayden so I bought a couple conspiracy packs. Didn't pull him. Disappointing, yes. Did I cry because I didn't pull the $350 foil? No. I spent $12. I didn't expect much. Some of you guys are ridiculous.
Since you replied to me with this one, I'll answer back. I don't see all these people "crying", but it shouldn't be surprising that people are hoping for some reprints were Modern and Eternal/EDH overlaps. Chalice of the void has been explicitly mentioned in this thread several times as a card that sees a lot of Vintage/Legacy play that also has Modern relevance; that's why I thought it might be of interest to people to know that it was out. My post was not a "Goddamnitspaghetti Wizards where is my Chalice of the void for zero money"-rage. It was simply meant to be informative.
I am unsure whether you are right about this making vintage and legacy more affordable. Online-yes (and I think that is a big part of their eternal strategy, e.g. the Legacy festival). In paper- non-reprinted staples off and (especially on) the reserved list will still be expensive, and might spike hard if interest grows. So assembling Vintage/Legacy decks will still be super difficult.
Well, the point the poster was making is that modern is jacked up in price because of the competitive scene putting demand on just about anything actually playable. Legacy / Vintage doesn't have that same problem since it's almost 100% casually driven. Cost is instead determined by the reserved list and how many usable copies of said card are actually left. That being said I still don't see why eternal masters is being priced the same as modern masters. The cards are powerful, but with most of them not being modern legal there's very little reason to have the individual packs at $10 usd.
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1. (Ravnica Allegiance): You can't keep a good esper control deck down... Or Wilderness Reclamation... or Gates...
2. (War of the Spark): Guys, I know what we need! We need a cycle of really idiotic flavor text victory cards! Jace's Triumph...
3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
Yeah, I'm happy for Commander staples and that's about it. I have absolutely zero interest in Legacy and Vintage because I don't want to take a second mortgage out just to build a deck.
Agreed. For a long time I wanted to play legacy but there just isn't enough interest to make the investment worth it for me and my store even has a somewhat supported legacy scene. I just want to cube!
I find that EMA has slightly spiked interested in legacy around here
So at this point it looks like WotC is deliberately avoiding printing Modern staples in EMA. I expected as much, though I was at least hoping to see some cards like Chalice that aren't really modern staples but are Legacy staples reprinted.
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Current Modern decks BGW Junk / URB Grixis Shadow / RGB Lantern Control / WUBCBant Eldrazi
Current Legacy decks BUG Shardless BUG / UWR Predict Miracles / RUG Canadian Thresh / WRBG 4c Loam UB Reanimator
Overall vintage and legacy are 100% casual play. When's the last time your local game store offered an fnm with either of those formats? Probably never. What I'm actually curious about is to why people are crying over paying $10 a pack for premium quality cards in general and they are upset when they open that damn turtle everyone is complaining about. I see a great use for it and plan on actually playing it. What I don't see a use for is people complaining about there not being many if any at all modern playables. First of all wizards came out and said this will be vintage and legacy cards with some commander stuff thrown in. Second of all the entire set hasn't been spoiled yet. There's still almost 200 cards left in the set. There's bound to be a couple cards that are modern playable. An example that I've seen so far is shaman of the pack. That's actually standard playable right now because origins hasn't rotated out to modern yet. If everyone recalls it was printed as an uncommon there as well. I pulled 3 between the box and 2 fat packs I bought and play it in my modern elves. It's very modern playable and elves have some fun mechanics to play with. That card is great if you're playing them. So people complaining about these cards not being modern playable is laughable to me.
Overall vintage and legacy are 100% casual play. When's the last time your local game store offered an fnm with either of those formats? Probably never. What I'm actually curious about is to why people are crying over paying $10 a pack for premium quality cards in general and they are upset when they open that damn turtle everyone is complaining about. I see a great use for it and plan on actually playing it. What I don't see a use for is people complaining about there not being many if any at all modern playables. First of all wizards came out and said this will be vintage and legacy cards with some commander stuff thrown in. Second of all the entire set hasn't been spoiled yet. There's still almost 200 cards left in the set. There's bound to be a couple cards that are modern playable. An example that I've seen so far is shaman of the pack. That's actually standard playable right now because origins hasn't rotated out to modern yet. If everyone recalls it was printed as an uncommon there as well. I pulled 3 between the box and 2 fat packs I bought and play it in my modern elves. It's very modern playable and elves have some fun mechanics to play with. That card is great if you're playing them. So people complaining about these cards not being modern playable is laughable to me.
My LGS has unsanctioned, as many proxies as you want Vintage every Tuesday and sanctioned, no proxy Vintage every Friday with a Saturday $35 buy-in tournament once a month. We're also not the only LGS in the area to support Vintage. There are even more in the area that support Legacy. There are larger Vintage tournaments a couple times a year with the NYSE and Bazaar events, which also include Legacy tables, and there's a couple Legacy GPs every year. SCG also has a few Legacy Opens each year and a Legacy Classic every Sunday.
Seeing innocent blood in this set makes me salty that it will never be printed in standard
Any hopes of it being printed in eldritch moon?
Im thinking not...
/sad
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Legacy:B The Gate // B Pox Modern:RGB Dredge // RBG Goblins // B The Gate // UBR Tezz AoB Control // RBG Prison Pox EDH:RBU Thraximundar // R Norin the Wary // RWB Kaalia of the Vast // BUR Grixis Combos // BU Gisa and Geralf Tribal Tiny Leaders:BUW Sydri, Galvanic Genius // R Feldon of the Third Path
We were never going to get Wirewood Symbiote - but I don't know that anything really changes regarding counterspell other than now it is more available. We're just as likely to get counterspell after this comes out as we were before - which is to say, not much likelihood at all (~0.1%).
Standard: lol no
Modern: BG/x, UR/x, Burn, Merfolk, Zoo, Storm
Legacy: Shardless BUG, Delver (BUG, RUG, Grixis), Landstill, Depths Combo, Merfolk
Vintage: Dark Times, BUG Fish, Merfolk
EDH: Teysa, Orzhov Scion / Krenko, Mob Boss / Stonebrow, Krosan Hero
Rarity in this set has nothing to do with anything regarding playability or reprtinability in another format - rarities here are only to check the amount of copies in print and the limited impacts. That's it.
Standard: lol no
Modern: BG/x, UR/x, Burn, Merfolk, Zoo, Storm
Legacy: Shardless BUG, Delver (BUG, RUG, Grixis), Landstill, Depths Combo, Merfolk
Vintage: Dark Times, BUG Fish, Merfolk
EDH: Teysa, Orzhov Scion / Krenko, Mob Boss / Stonebrow, Krosan Hero
There doesn't need to be a source.. that's all rarities signify - how common they want them to show up in limited formats (the overwhelming main reason) and to check prices (Goyf in both MMs is the big one - now FOW as well). Rarity shifts have never meant anything other than one of these two things (other than our ability to play them in pauper or not).
Edit - In re-reading your post: it is understood by everyone that rarity in a given set is independent of something's rarity in other sets correct? If Wizards released yearly draft sets and in one set lightning bolt was a mythic (because EVERY creature in the draft format was x/3 or smaller and thusly didn't want completely destroy the format with bolt at common/uncommon) and in the following year was a common (because it wouldn't do anything to warp the draft beyond how they designed it) then that is WELL within their wheelhouse and as such Bolt would have 2 different rarities which would depend on which set you were talking about. Rarities don't mean anything.
In its defense I am fine with more black border ***s seeing print, as frequently reprinted as *** was the vast majority of those reprints were white border.
No offense to people who like white border.
It does make me wonder if Blood Moon is a classic enough effect that they would throw it in, a number of cards in EMA so far seem chosen for historical value moreso than to help add to the supply.
They're not printing high value modern cards in the set - they've been extremely clear about that, hence no Damnation.
That's actually very disappointing. At least Karakas is getting a reprint.
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At least they've been pretty clear about it - not every release can contain great modern stuff, and I'm sure we're going to continue to see awesome modern reprints through the summer and into the commander sets (there are like 4 more supplemental products coming out between now and the end of the year).
Source: http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/limited-information/modern-masters-2015-edition-previews-2015-05-06
While one could potentially argue that's a partial and incomplete definition, it's also all I could find and it goes a long way to prove your point. So I'll concede it.
Standard: lol no
Modern: BG/x, UR/x, Burn, Merfolk, Zoo, Storm
Legacy: Shardless BUG, Delver (BUG, RUG, Grixis), Landstill, Depths Combo, Merfolk
Vintage: Dark Times, BUG Fish, Merfolk
EDH: Teysa, Orzhov Scion / Krenko, Mob Boss / Stonebrow, Krosan Hero
For sure for sure - as far as I've always understood, rarities are just tools used to balance the limited format they're a part of and is why promos never have rarities. With that said, they definitely DO change the way that they assign rarities based on different design philosophies, so I agree with you there - I just don't think that them changing a rarity for one draft format signifies anything too specific about any one given card. Ya feel me?
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Since you replied to me with this one, I'll answer back. I don't see all these people "crying", but it shouldn't be surprising that people are hoping for some reprints were Modern and Eternal/EDH overlaps. Chalice of the void has been explicitly mentioned in this thread several times as a card that sees a lot of Vintage/Legacy play that also has Modern relevance; that's why I thought it might be of interest to people to know that it was out. My post was not a "Goddamnitspaghetti Wizards where is my Chalice of the void for zero money"-rage. It was simply meant to be informative.
I am unsure whether you are right about this making vintage and legacy more affordable. Online-yes (and I think that is a big part of their eternal strategy, e.g. the Legacy festival). In paper- non-reprinted staples off and (especially on) the reserved list will still be expensive, and might spike hard if interest grows. So assembling Vintage/Legacy decks will still be super difficult.
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Well, the point the poster was making is that modern is jacked up in price because of the competitive scene putting demand on just about anything actually playable. Legacy / Vintage doesn't have that same problem since it's almost 100% casually driven. Cost is instead determined by the reserved list and how many usable copies of said card are actually left. That being said I still don't see why eternal masters is being priced the same as modern masters. The cards are powerful, but with most of them not being modern legal there's very little reason to have the individual packs at $10 usd.
1. (Ravnica Allegiance): You can't keep a good esper control deck down... Or Wilderness Reclamation... or Gates...
2. (War of the Spark): Guys, I know what we need! We need a cycle of really idiotic flavor text victory cards! Jace's Triumph...
3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
I find that EMA has slightly spiked interested in legacy around here
BGW Junk / URB Grixis Shadow / RGB Lantern Control / WUBCBant Eldrazi
Current Legacy decks
BUG Shardless BUG / UWR Predict Miracles / RUG Canadian Thresh / WRBG 4c Loam
UB Reanimator
Standard: lol no
Modern: BG/x, UR/x, Burn, Merfolk, Zoo, Storm
Legacy: Shardless BUG, Delver (BUG, RUG, Grixis), Landstill, Depths Combo, Merfolk
Vintage: Dark Times, BUG Fish, Merfolk
EDH: Teysa, Orzhov Scion / Krenko, Mob Boss / Stonebrow, Krosan Hero
Standard: lol no
Modern: BG/x, UR/x, Burn, Merfolk, Zoo, Storm
Legacy: Shardless BUG, Delver (BUG, RUG, Grixis), Landstill, Depths Combo, Merfolk
Vintage: Dark Times, BUG Fish, Merfolk
EDH: Teysa, Orzhov Scion / Krenko, Mob Boss / Stonebrow, Krosan Hero
Decks I'm playing in Modern right now:
URB Grixis Reveler (http://www.mtgvault.com/supast4r7/decks/modern-grixis-reveler/)
UB Faeries (http://www.mtgvault.com/supast4r7/decks/ub-fae-2/)
UW Azorious Control (http://www.mtgvault.com/supast4r7/decks/modern-ojutai-control-2/)
I'm not sure what this has to do with anything - also, 'rotated out to modern' isn't a thing.
Agree. I really hope it is legal in Modern.
Anything, but nothing at the moment...
Modern:
WUBRGAmulet Titan, WUBRGHuman
WUBRAd Nauseam, WBRGDeath Shadow, UBRGScapeshift, UBRGDredge
WURJeskai Nahiri, WURCheeri0s, WBGCounter Company, WRGBurn, UBRMadcap Moon, BRGJund Midrange
UBTurn,BRGriselbrand Reanimator, WGKnight Company, RGRG Tron, RGRG Ponza, XAffinity, XEldrazi Tron
Any hopes of it being printed in eldritch moon?
Im thinking not...
/sad
Modern: RGB Dredge // RBG Goblins // B The Gate // UBR Tezz AoB Control // RBG Prison Pox
EDH: RBU Thraximundar // R Norin the Wary // RWB Kaalia of the Vast // BUR Grixis Combos // BU Gisa and Geralf Tribal
Tiny Leaders: BUW Sydri, Galvanic Genius // R Feldon of the Third Path
Projects:
Gisa and Geralf Extreme-Tribal EDH
Esper Eldrazi Processor Control
Brewing with Kuldotha Forgemaster
Primer: "The Gate" - Mono Black in Modern
Modern Prison Pox - building a better plague