MTG Salvation

Which deck do you guys think is not only more viable right now in the current meta but also in the long run?

I don't know, grixis has goblin dark-dwellers + kolaghan's command but dat nahiri, the harbinger is so hot right now (plus archangel avacyn, and lots of options more). I want to try the combo with emrakul, the aeons torn so my vote goes for jeskai (for the moment).

Both decks have very good respective cards, choosing which one to play i think comes down to how YOU want to play.

To be honest, neither. But maybe a sliiiight edge to Jeskai.

Grixis has great threats and great recursion, but it can't gain life effectively, is very slow out of the gate, and doesn't close games quickly. It plays a very midrange strategy, relying on K Command, Delve creatures, and four drops to win the game. It can be built a number of different ways, and Michal Majors points out the strengths and flaws of many of them here: http://www.starcitygames.com/article/32861_The-Issues-With-Grixis-Control.html

Jeskai can be build a dozen different ways too, from draw-go Elspeth, to Geist, to Kiki Resto, to the new Nahiri Emrakul, etc. It has lots of main deck life gain, excellent sideboard cards, and efficient creature removal, but lacks recursion if you cannot protect your threats. Depending on your build, you may lack answers or lack closing speed. There has not been a sweet spot formula found yet, and people are building for the style they prefer playing.

I have every staple needed to build either of them (except for Lilianas) and have had mediocre success with both. Grixis was more fun to play due to the recursion interactions but Jeskai always felt slightly better in many matches thanks to Path and main deck life gain. Neither of them were powerful enough to convincingly win games, and every win was an uphill battle.

Also, Ancestral Visions is a bad card. I can't tell you how many times I died with it on suspend or after top decking it late game when I needed gas. I have removed it from all my lists and will probably sell my copies.

jeskai all day it isn't close. white is the best sideboard color in modern, I don't really need any other reasons.

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jeskai all day it isn't close. white is the best sideboard color in modern, I don't really need any other reasons.

THIS!!!

white sideboard cards are so good i never know what to sideboard when i play another color, example: let say we play against affinity, almost every deck that plays or splash white will have a couple of stony silence or Kataki, War's Wage in there sideboard.

Now lets try to find something that can compare to those 2 in any colors?

green: best card i can think of is creeping corrosion but it costs twice as much and we are missing the ''cannot be regenerated'' for other matchup.

blue: my favorite card is Hurkyl's Recall but the next turn he will just vomits his hands in play so you just delay him for a turn or 2 but it can be all you need. annul and steel sabotage comes to mind but i personnaly dont use them.

red: ancient grudge if you can splash green and if you cant i dont know maybe Smash to Smithereens but it doesnt even come close to the white hate! i just asked my affinity friend and he said if you play mono red shattering spree is your go to card with smash

black: ??? Night of Souls' Betrayal is the only thing i can think of with damnation

colorless: chalice of the void pithing needle enough said

both decks are fine but Jeskai has a better shell since it's more versatile.

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jeskai all day it isn't close. white is the best sideboard color in modern, I don't really need any other reasons.

THIS!!!

white sideboard cards are so good i never know what to sideboard when i play another color, example: let say we play against affinity, almost every deck that plays or splash white will have a couple of stony silence or Kataki, War's Wage in there sideboard.

Now lets try to find something that can compare to those 2 in any colors?

green: best card i can think of is creeping corrosion but it costs twice as much and we are missing the ''cannot be regenerated'' for other matchup.

blue: my favorite card is Hurkyl's Recall but the next turn he will just vomits his hands in play so you just delay him for a turn or 2 but it can be all you need. annul and steel sabotage comes to mind but i personnaly dont use them.

red: ancient grudge if you can splash green and if you cant i dont know maybe Smash to Smithereens but it doesnt even come close to the white hate! i just asked my affinity friend and he said if you play mono red shattering spree is your go to card with smash

black: ??? Night of Souls' Betrayal is the only thing i can think of with damnation

colorless: chalice of the void pithing needle enough said

Um... I'd play Shatterstorm over Shattering Spree.
(not to mention Kolagahn's Command is a bomb vs Affinity.

I think the Nahiri/Emrakul package pushes Jeskai above Grixis.

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jeskai all day it isn't close. white is the best sideboard color in modern, I don't really need any other reasons.

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THIS!!!

white sideboard cards are so good i never know what to sideboard when i play another color, example: let say we play against affinity, almost every deck that plays or splash white will have a couple of stony silence or Kataki, War's Wage in there sideboard.

black: ??? Night of Souls' Betrayal is the only thing i can think of with damnation

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I feel that white has some great sideboard options such as stony silence, rest in peace and Kataki. It also has some good removal like path to exile and lightning helix. Colonnade is also a great manland

black gives hand disruption, terminate, kolaghan's command and delve creatures. I also like Ashiok as a sb card in some matches

so I guess it depends on what you'd rather play in your meta. I love Grixis but haven't had enough experience with Jeskai

Grixis hasn't a lot of problem versus Affinity (or others artifacts based decks) thanks to Kolaghan's Command and red hate cards (Vandalblast and Shatterstorm, but also good spot removal like Bolt and Terminate).

I think the most used SB cards, in white, are

Stony Silence -> Already mentioned
Supreme Verdict -> It's good versus counters (Merfolk) but Damnation/*** are better versus regeneration (Elves and Thrun), so we are there...
Wear/Tear -> Point for white. Grixis need to fall back on E.E.
Elspeth -> Good alternate wincon. But Keranos/Kalitas/P&K/Batterskull/Tasigur are not bad either
Celestial Purge -> Point for white
Timely Reinforcements -> Point for white
Rest in Peace -> Relic of Progenitus is good too

In the maindeck the main difference is not Path (Terminate is excellent, and so are Dismember and Murderous Cut) but Lightning Helix. Black has not such good accidental lifegain.

For these reasons I think Jeskai is better positioned in an aggressive meta - like the current one - but Grixis is better in a Combo/Control/Grindy metagame (Inquisitions, Thoughtseize, Duress, Liliana, K-ommand, Rise/Fall, Kalitas and the early pressure delve creatures can give you).

This guy gets it. Jeskai can handle more aggressive strategies that's trying to get your life down fast; Grixis can handle decks that use high synergy or grind things out. My buddy has been playing Grixis control for a year and he regularly devastates affinity or another control deck, but against something like burn or blitz... Lightning Helix and Sphinx's Revelation look much substantial.

I know it's one result but it seems like Jeskai is doing well for itself

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Depends on what fetchlands you own... I personally play Jeskai but a buddy of mine plays Grixis. Both can go the delver route, both can go the delverless route and control.

Do you want to play path to exile and Lightning Helix or Countersquall and Inquisition of Kozilek?

Do you want to play Geist of Saint Traft and Restoration Angel or Tasigur, the Golden Fang and Gurmag Angler?

Do you want to play Monastery Mentor or Young Pyromancer?

Which Command do you want to play? Cryptic Command or kolaghan's command?

good catch but he prefered shattering spree over shatterstorm because our meta was filled with chalice of the void thanks to the eldrazi and the replicate of shattering spree are unnafected by chalice.