- Should I mainboard some of these cards, considering almost half of my games were against this one deck?
- Are there any decks that are both budget (<$100) and competitive at FNM level that would do particularly well against the aforementioned deck? FWIW, I am forming a preference for playing red, blue, and white colours.
Private Mod Note
():
Rollback Post to RevisionRollBack
Modern: GR Tron - hardcasting Emrakuls and playing Forest in the sideboard URB Grixis Delver - Bolt-Snap-Bolt
- Should I mainboard some of these cards, considering almost half of my games were against this one deck?
- Are there any decks that are both budget (<$100) and competitive at FNM level that would do particularly well against the aforementioned deck? FWIW, I am forming a preference for playing red, blue, and white colours.
Sideboard? Lightning Bolt their Viscera Seer, Melira, or Anafenza when they combo. That should be MB, as should a couple other burn spells.
As for your second question, no. Modern is not a format that can really be played effectively on less than $350.
1. Graveyard hate is the best thing to do against it. You exile their gy when Kitchen Finks or Murderoous Cut is put into gy and before it goes back into play. To mention just some of it: Nihil Spellbomb, Relic of Progenitus, Anger of the Gods, Grafdigger's Cage(it also works against Collected Company and Chord of Calling), Pillar of Flame also helps,...
Perfect, these all look great, thank you. I'm thinking Grafdigger's Cage is the best answer of the 3 artifacts, as you don't have to sacrifice it?
I'm thinking Grafdigger's Cage is the best answer of the 3 artifacts, as you don't have to sacrifice it?
Yes, it is, also because (like I already mentioned) it stops Chord of Calling and Collected Company-the best two cards in the deck. It is the best card against Abzan CoCo as it does everything you want.
Excellent
Private Mod Note
():
Rollback Post to RevisionRollBack
Modern: GR Tron - hardcasting Emrakuls and playing Forest in the sideboard URB Grixis Delver - Bolt-Snap-Bolt
Alright, then what decks regardless of their cost have a positive match-up against this one?
Burn actually does well, if they're playing competitive versions they take a lot of damage from their mana, and are highly reliant on good targets to Forked Bolt.
Anything removal heavy is strong really, Delver is cheap and effective. They lose to some other random stuff too like Geist Midrange (there's a complete up to date list on mtgpulse but it requires a subscription). By far their worst matchup though is Tron. It's the matchup everyone refers to in the format when they talk about something that's unwinable.
I have a pretty damn good mono black rat deck that is less than $100. The downside is that most of the cards will only be used in said deck. Check out my channel link in my sig and search for budget 8rack / 8rat videos.
Are you sure about that? It doesn't seem to me that Burn would be good against deck that has infinite life combo and enough life gain anyway but it's just the opposite imo.
Burn has a lot of interaction and they should never be able to combo between Searing Blaze, Lightning Bolt, and Rift Bolt. Their best card is the MB Spellskite that blocks and stops burn spells but even that has weaknesses, and if they're tutoring that they're not tutoring a combo. Outside of Finks they have zero lifegain, plus between Atarka's Command and Skullcrack they should never get any lifegain through.
Burn is very good against few sources of large lifegain like this deck. It's very bad against decks with lots of sources of small lifegain like Soul Sisters.
I have a pretty damn good mono black rat deck that is less than $100. The downside is that most of the cards will only be used in said deck. Check out my channel link in my sig and search for budget 8rack / 8rat videos.
Thanks, I did. I am exploring various budget modern decks at the moment just to dip my toes in different archetypes. Once I get a better idea of what I'm interested in, will start upgrading decks.
Private Mod Note
():
Rollback Post to RevisionRollBack
Modern: GR Tron - hardcasting Emrakuls and playing Forest in the sideboard URB Grixis Delver - Bolt-Snap-Bolt
Alright, then what decks regardless of their cost have a positive match-up against this one?
regardless of cost:
Tron
Jund
Grixis (control)
Abzan midrange
hatebears
The weaknesses of this deck are
1. graveyard hate
2. decks with a lot of removal (since they need 3 different pieces for the combo and without their combo, a single goyf brickwalls all of their creatures)
3. Decks with problematic permanents (since they play CoCo, they have only very few answers to your threats)
Thanks for that! Tron is a great deck, and I will be checking the others out.
When either the finks or redcap go to the yard for the first time and the persist trigger goes on the stack, you pay the two life to cast SE naming whatever one it is removing all copies in deck and hand from the game eliminating that copy trying to persist as well. Most times the opposition is never expecting it.
When either the finks or redcap go to the yard for the first time and the persist trigger goes on the stack, you pay the two life to cast SE naming whatever one it is removing all copies in deck and hand from the game eliminating that copy trying to persist as well. Most times the opposition is never expecting it.
Good one!
Private Mod Note
():
Rollback Post to RevisionRollBack
Modern: GR Tron - hardcasting Emrakuls and playing Forest in the sideboard URB Grixis Delver - Bolt-Snap-Bolt
Here's a deck you could build for well under $100 that I think would do really good against Abzan Company since it is very light on creature disruption. As an added bonus it looks like a blast to play.
1. Graveyard hate is the best thing to do against it. You exile their gy when Kitchen Finks or Murderoous Cut is put into gy and before it goes back into play. To mention just some of it: Nihil Spellbomb, Relic of Progenitus, Anger of the Gods, Grafdigger's Cage(it also works against Collected Company and Chord of Calling), Pillar of Flame also helps,...
Perfect, these all look great, thank you. I'm thinking Grafdigger's Cage is the best answer of the 3 artifacts, as you don't have to sacrifice it?
The other artifact that works is Torpor Orb, which shuts down Anafenza's trigger and basically shuts the whole value engine of the deck down. Melira still goes infinite but can't actually get infinite life or damage, they can scry through their deck which might yield a pridemage to kill your orb though. It's also effective against quite a few other decks that abuse ETB abilities.
If you're white (which IMHO has a better heroic shell), Suppression Field will tax each cycle to the tune of a cost of (2) mana - as well as tax fetchlands, plainswalkers, cycling (living end), it hits a multitude of competitive decks in the meta. It's a very effective hate card.
Pithing needle can turn off Viscera Seer. Also works on fetchlands, plainswalkers, expedition map, man-lands, etc etc. Good general sideboard tech.
As for your second question, no. Modern is not a format that can really be played effectively on less than $350.
Alright, then what decks regardless of their cost have a positive match-up against this one?
There are some fun T2/T3 decks that aren't horribly expensive. The most expensive section will be your lands if you want to play multicolor decks competitively. If you're in mono, I think the best current cheap options are mono-G stompy or some Mono-R deck based around Kiln Fiend.
I like red as a budget color. Forked bolt and searing blood are cheap and awesome two-for-ones when used with skill. Throw in some good creatures like Kiln Fiend and you have yourself a deck that can win. It's like a budget infect but much more interactive with the opponent's board. With skill and practice this should allow you to beat a CoCo player at least some amount of the time without a side board hoser. It's potentially favorable if you have a highly tuned and aggressive deck.
If you want a heroic deck tailor made to demolish CoCo Melira on a budget. I might pick a U/W deck that main decks 2-4 dispel and 2-3 copies of twisted image. Both cards are big tempo swings in your direction and are maindeckable against random decks, dispel to counter removal/company/chord, twisted image for pump/killing mana dorks - Lagonna-Band Trailblazer functions exceptionally well with twisted. You could probably main deck a Suppression Field just to make other people miserable too ^^ - don't if you add fetchlands to your deck though.
*this is not really a known archtype and the overall results from use of such a deck will be exploring new territory*
1. (Ravnica Allegiance): You can't keep a good esper control deck down... Or Wilderness Reclamation... or Gates...
2. (War of the Spark): Guys, I know what we need! We need a cycle of really idiotic flavor text victory cards! Jace's Triumph...
3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
Here's a deck you could build for well under $100 that I think would do really good against Abzan Company since it is very light on creature disruption. As an added bonus it looks like a blast to play.
Looks very fun, ill try it out, thanks!
Private Mod Note
():
Rollback Post to RevisionRollBack
Modern: GR Tron - hardcasting Emrakuls and playing Forest in the sideboard URB Grixis Delver - Bolt-Snap-Bolt
The other artifact that works is Torpor Orb, which shuts down Anafenza's trigger and basically shuts the whole value engine of the deck down. Melira still goes infinite but can't actually get infinite life or damage, they can scry through their deck which might yield a pridemage to kill your orb though. It's also effective against quite a few other decks that abuse ETB abilities.
If you're white (which IMHO has a better heroic shell), Suppression Field will tax each cycle to the tune of a cost of (2) mana - as well as tax fetchlands, plainswalkers, cycling (living end), it hits a multitude of competitive decks in the meta. It's a very effective hate card.
Pithing needle can turn off Viscera Seer. Also works on fetchlands, plainswalkers, expedition map, man-lands, etc etc. Good general sideboard tech.
...
There are some fun T2/T3 decks that aren't horribly expensive. The most expensive section will be your lands if you want to play multicolor decks competitively. If you're in mono, I think the best current cheap options are mono-G stompy or some Mono-R deck based around Kiln Fiend.
I like red as a budget color. Forked bolt and searing blood are cheap and awesome two-for-ones when used with skill. Throw in some good creatures like Kiln Fiend and you have yourself a deck that can win. It's like a budget infect but much more interactive with the opponent's board. With skill and practice this should allow you to beat a CoCo player at least some amount of the time without a side board hoser. It's potentially favorable if you have a highly tuned and aggressive deck.
Lots of good advice, thanks!
Suppression Field looks like a versatile sideboard card
Private Mod Note
():
Rollback Post to RevisionRollBack
Modern: GR Tron - hardcasting Emrakuls and playing Forest in the sideboard URB Grixis Delver - Bolt-Snap-Bolt
If so many people play it then yeah, you should absolutely put some solutions for them into your maindeck
But stick to the ones that are not completly useless against other matchups.
There are also some other improvements for your deck that you can make independant of any matchup.
I feel like brute strength is not worth it for 2 mana, you should play other cards in that slot.
titan's strength seems like it could be a 4-of.
I started with 4-of Titan Strength and still run it in the sideboard. But I've swapped it out for Brute Strength as I'm finding this deck needing a lot of trample.
If you want to spend some more money it is worth to buy 4 wooded foothills, 2-4 windswept heath (they will rise in price, so you can see it as an investment - they also go in any deck that uses those colours) and 1-2 stomping grounds.
This allows you to add become immense and (if you want to spend the money) atarka's command.
atarka's command has many uses in your deck, the best line would be buffing all your creatures and dealing 3 to the face for just 2 mana.
Yeah, I'm thinking of adding green and going toward Atarka's command / RDW. I don't mind spending some.
I play 8-whack (basically a goblin aggro deck) with a black splash for surgical extraction from the side. When the persist trigger is on the stack and the creature is in the graveyard, surgical extraction targeting that creature. The decks typically only run a handful of sac outlets, so keeping those in check also helps. Someone mentioned fork d bolt and it's a beating against the deck.
Respond to the bolster trigger and kill the creature. The combo relies on a ruling that nets +1/+1 and -1/-1 counters to reset the persist, however what ends up happening is the persist trigger goes on the stack, resolves and the creature enters okay with the -1/-1 counter, then the ETB trigger for anafenza fires off and triggers bolster 1. So there are a few places you can interact.
I don't believe you can respond to Melira as I think it's considered a replacement effect? The creature is never in play with the counter on it from what I understand. I could be wrong here as I don't have much practice with the deck.
There are a ton of graveyard hate cards for modern, and some of them are very potent. You'll want answers that are applicable to multiple decks and not just this one.
I run GB elves in Modern also and surgical extraction and discard helps me interact enough early on to push through the damage I need and they come in for other decks too, such as grishoalbrand.
Legacy - Sneak Show, BR Reanimator, Miracles, UW Stoneblade
Premodern - Trix, RecSur, Enchantress, Reanimator, Elves https://www.facebook.com/groups/PremodernUSA/ Modern - Neobrand, Hogaak Vine, Elves
Standard - Mono Red (6-2 and 5-3 in 2 McQ)
Draft - (I wish I had more time for limited...)
Commander - Norin the Wary, Grimgrin, Adun Oakenshield (taking forever to build) (dead format for me)
To stop that combo you can run a bunch of removal and try to hold it up for their key parts. The issue with that is they have a lot of redundancy. I would try to shut off their triggers, probably with torpor orb first, then leyline of the void. No, you can't hardcast leyline, but it's free in the opening hand and forces them to either answer it or play a different game. They will run qasali pridemage and maybe dromoka's command, maybe rec sage, and they can tutor for the creatures with chord.
There's a reason that deck is popular, it's robust and resilient, sort of like what pod used to do.
Private Mod Note
():
Rollback Post to RevisionRollBack
Modern UB Tezzerator UBW Gifts B 8Rack
Legacy RB Goblins
To post a comment, please login or register a new account.
Questons:
- What cards could I sideboard for my Red Heroic against this deck? I'm thinking Anger of the Gods against the combo, anything else? And maybe Fiery Conclusion against Wall of Roots? (Akroan Crusader gives me 1/1 tokens)
- Should I mainboard some of these cards, considering almost half of my games were against this one deck?
- Are there any decks that are both budget (<$100) and competitive at FNM level that would do particularly well against the aforementioned deck? FWIW, I am forming a preference for playing red, blue, and white colours.
GR Tron - hardcasting Emrakuls and playing Forest in the sideboard
URB Grixis Delver - Bolt-Snap-Bolt
Sideboard? Lightning Bolt their Viscera Seer, Melira, or Anafenza when they combo. That should be MB, as should a couple other burn spells.
As for your second question, no. Modern is not a format that can really be played effectively on less than $350.
Perfect, these all look great, thank you. I'm thinking Grafdigger's Cage is the best answer of the 3 artifacts, as you don't have to sacrifice it?
Yeah, makes sense.
Alright, then what decks regardless of their cost have a positive match-up against this one?
GR Tron - hardcasting Emrakuls and playing Forest in the sideboard
URB Grixis Delver - Bolt-Snap-Bolt
Excellent
GR Tron - hardcasting Emrakuls and playing Forest in the sideboard
URB Grixis Delver - Bolt-Snap-Bolt
GR Tron - hardcasting Emrakuls and playing Forest in the sideboard
URB Grixis Delver - Bolt-Snap-Bolt
Burn actually does well, if they're playing competitive versions they take a lot of damage from their mana, and are highly reliant on good targets to Forked Bolt.
Anything removal heavy is strong really, Delver is cheap and effective. They lose to some other random stuff too like Geist Midrange (there's a complete up to date list on mtgpulse but it requires a subscription). By far their worst matchup though is Tron. It's the matchup everyone refers to in the format when they talk about something that's unwinable.
Burn has a lot of interaction and they should never be able to combo between Searing Blaze, Lightning Bolt, and Rift Bolt. Their best card is the MB Spellskite that blocks and stops burn spells but even that has weaknesses, and if they're tutoring that they're not tutoring a combo. Outside of Finks they have zero lifegain, plus between Atarka's Command and Skullcrack they should never get any lifegain through.
Burn is very good against few sources of large lifegain like this deck. It's very bad against decks with lots of sources of small lifegain like Soul Sisters.
Thanks, I did. I am exploring various budget modern decks at the moment just to dip my toes in different archetypes. Once I get a better idea of what I'm interested in, will start upgrading decks.
GR Tron - hardcasting Emrakuls and playing Forest in the sideboard
URB Grixis Delver - Bolt-Snap-Bolt
Thanks for that! Tron is a great deck, and I will be checking the others out.
Vandalblast and Smash to Smithereens have worked well for me for dealing with Spellskite
Leyline of Punishment to shut down lifegain and Boiling Earth to wipe out 1/1 fliers are effective against Soul Sisters.
GR Tron - hardcasting Emrakuls and playing Forest in the sideboard
URB Grixis Delver - Bolt-Snap-Bolt
http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=397706
When either the finks or redcap go to the yard for the first time and the persist trigger goes on the stack, you pay the two life to cast SE naming whatever one it is removing all copies in deck and hand from the game eliminating that copy trying to persist as well. Most times the opposition is never expecting it.
Good one!
GR Tron - hardcasting Emrakuls and playing Forest in the sideboard
URB Grixis Delver - Bolt-Snap-Bolt
Here's a deck you could build for well under $100 that I think would do really good against Abzan Company since it is very light on creature disruption. As an added bonus it looks like a blast to play.
The other artifact that works is Torpor Orb, which shuts down Anafenza's trigger and basically shuts the whole value engine of the deck down. Melira still goes infinite but can't actually get infinite life or damage, they can scry through their deck which might yield a pridemage to kill your orb though. It's also effective against quite a few other decks that abuse ETB abilities.
If you're white (which IMHO has a better heroic shell), Suppression Field will tax each cycle to the tune of a cost of (2) mana - as well as tax fetchlands, plainswalkers, cycling (living end), it hits a multitude of competitive decks in the meta. It's a very effective hate card.
Pithing needle can turn off Viscera Seer. Also works on fetchlands, plainswalkers, expedition map, man-lands, etc etc. Good general sideboard tech.
There are some fun T2/T3 decks that aren't horribly expensive. The most expensive section will be your lands if you want to play multicolor decks competitively. If you're in mono, I think the best current cheap options are mono-G stompy or some Mono-R deck based around Kiln Fiend.
I like red as a budget color. Forked bolt and searing blood are cheap and awesome two-for-ones when used with skill. Throw in some good creatures like Kiln Fiend and you have yourself a deck that can win. It's like a budget infect but much more interactive with the opponent's board. With skill and practice this should allow you to beat a CoCo player at least some amount of the time without a side board hoser. It's potentially favorable if you have a highly tuned and aggressive deck.
If you want a heroic deck tailor made to demolish CoCo Melira on a budget. I might pick a U/W deck that main decks 2-4 dispel and 2-3 copies of twisted image. Both cards are big tempo swings in your direction and are maindeckable against random decks, dispel to counter removal/company/chord, twisted image for pump/killing mana dorks - Lagonna-Band Trailblazer functions exceptionally well with twisted. You could probably main deck a Suppression Field just to make other people miserable too ^^ - don't if you add fetchlands to your deck though.
*this is not really a known archtype and the overall results from use of such a deck will be exploring new territory*
1. (Ravnica Allegiance): You can't keep a good esper control deck down... Or Wilderness Reclamation... or Gates...
2. (War of the Spark): Guys, I know what we need! We need a cycle of really idiotic flavor text victory cards! Jace's Triumph...
3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
Looks very fun, ill try it out, thanks!
GR Tron - hardcasting Emrakuls and playing Forest in the sideboard
URB Grixis Delver - Bolt-Snap-Bolt
Lots of good advice, thanks!
Suppression Field looks like a versatile sideboard card
GR Tron - hardcasting Emrakuls and playing Forest in the sideboard
URB Grixis Delver - Bolt-Snap-Bolt
Makes sense
I started with 4-of Titan Strength and still run it in the sideboard. But I've swapped it out for Brute Strength as I'm finding this deck needing a lot of trample.
Yeah, I'm thinking of adding green and going toward Atarka's command / RDW. I don't mind spending some.
I mostly play it as a trample for 1 red.
That's the version of the deck I started with I removed the two auras because my creatures were prone to removal.
Absolutely, i really appricaite you doing analysis of the deck!
GR Tron - hardcasting Emrakuls and playing Forest in the sideboard
URB Grixis Delver - Bolt-Snap-Bolt
GR Tron - hardcasting Emrakuls and playing Forest in the sideboard
URB Grixis Delver - Bolt-Snap-Bolt
Respond to the bolster trigger and kill the creature. The combo relies on a ruling that nets +1/+1 and -1/-1 counters to reset the persist, however what ends up happening is the persist trigger goes on the stack, resolves and the creature enters okay with the -1/-1 counter, then the ETB trigger for anafenza fires off and triggers bolster 1. So there are a few places you can interact.
I don't believe you can respond to Melira as I think it's considered a replacement effect? The creature is never in play with the counter on it from what I understand. I could be wrong here as I don't have much practice with the deck.
There are a ton of graveyard hate cards for modern, and some of them are very potent. You'll want answers that are applicable to multiple decks and not just this one.
I run GB elves in Modern also and surgical extraction and discard helps me interact enough early on to push through the damage I need and they come in for other decks too, such as grishoalbrand.
Best of luck!
Premodern - Trix, RecSur, Enchantress, Reanimator, Elves https://www.facebook.com/groups/PremodernUSA/
Modern - Neobrand, Hogaak Vine, Elves
Standard - Mono Red (6-2 and 5-3 in 2 McQ)
Draft - (I wish I had more time for limited...)
Commander -
Norin the Wary, Grimgrin, Adun Oakenshield (taking forever to build)(dead format for me)There's a reason that deck is popular, it's robust and resilient, sort of like what pod used to do.
UB Tezzerator
UBW Gifts
B 8Rack
Legacy
RB Goblins