It'd be interesting if it was Modern+EMA and whatever is going to be in that. I play most constructed formats, but Modern's at the bottom right now so I'd definitely try something in between it and Legacy.
Until I see how the format is, whats legal and such, I cannot say. If FOW is needed to police the format, probably not.
If I had to guess, it would be all Legacy legal cards with one of the following:
-All RL cards banned. All banned Legacy cards banned as well.
-All RL cards banned. All banned and restricted Vintage cards banned as well.
And it would probably be the former. FoW and Wasteland would likely be big players still.
Where I agree with what you are saying, we dont really know what Wotc has planned. Making a decision on an idea of what it might be could get you burned. Thats why I am holding off saying yes or no until we know for sure.
Also, am I the only one who thinks shocks with Wasteland in the format would be just stupid? In the beginning the format would be very suicidal in the terms of life totals.
I think there is a group that would probably enjoy a format like that, I know I wouldnt.
Then why even bother posting? WotC has nothing planned. The entire idea of this thread is to make a decision without knowing the specifics. It is a "for fun" exercise. No one cares at all that your rational, philosophical, wotC loving mind needs every detail of this proposed format spelled out before you can have any sort of opinion on it.
He pretty clearly described what he meant with "A non-rotating and eternal format, with a banlist comparable to legacy, where all reserved list cards (including duals) are banned". In this state, FoW would obviously be a huge part of the format. We get it, you don't like legacy. That is fine, vote "play modern" and move on. This basically amounts to the very broad question of "would you be interested in legacy if they banned the reserved list?"
Now, if someone asked me "Would you try legacy if they banned the reserved list?" and they expected a "yes" or a "no" answer rather than some socratic (bocephic) dialog, the answer would be a resounding YES for me. Sure, wasteland in a format full of shocks is probably really awkward. And sure, burn would undoubtedly be heavily represented but those are natural growing pains for a new format.
Mainly because we all know it wouldnt be that cut and dry. Some I am sure hope it would be, but we know it wont be.
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didn't they already confirm that this is not gonna be a thing?
Forsythe said 'Eternal' is not a format. That doesnt mean the name could or would be something else.
Then someone posted a shot of a Maro post on Twitter asking if/when we will get a new format. Maros answer was 'when'.
I would play it but i doubt anything of the sort comes around. Maybe if they do a Highlander version with only 1 of each card can be played besides basic lands. It wouldnt ever get boring, combo wouldnt be too good, control and midrange have their day in the sun. Idk, it just doesnt seem like WotC would make a format specifically built to undermine the RL, which im sure on some level breaches their contract or promise.
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Sure I'd play Eternal, assuming it is a set that is made of what gets printed in Eternal Masters, EDH decks, and cards marked for Eternal in the ever rotating standard sets. Modern is horribly, irredeemably broken both financially and mechanically due to being the proverbial dumping ground of standard for over a decade.
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2. (War of the Spark): Guys, I know what we need! We need a cycle of really idiotic flavor text victory cards! Jace's Triumph...
3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
Well if it'd be player driven why don't you just play legacy with proxies for all the RL cards?
I would play that format if it became a thing, but you have to understand that burn would be far far far too good probably. Miracles would also probably be a lot stronger than what everyone else was doing.
Also, am I the only one who thinks shocks with Wasteland in the format would be just stupid? In the beginning the format would be very suicidal in the terms of life totals.
Wasteland is absurd in a world of Shocks, so much so that I think you would see deck composition seriously change (cutting colors) in order to use basics early and tango's later.
Price of Progress would probably be a good card to ban just incase, but a shift in manabase composition like this could also keep the deck in line.
That said, I play decent decks in Legacy now with Burn and Nic Fit, and I play a lot of Modern decks. I have a pretty good manabase collection and many staples. I see no reason why I wouldn't play eternal.
Additionally, I see it as being a very good format. It wouldn't have the RL issue that plagues Legacy but it would also be free of the "too good for Standard gatekeeper that's ruining Modern. It would be a proper accessible (by which I mean they can reprint cards for it) non rotating format where answers are better than threats, as should be the case.
Well if it'd be player driven why don't you just play legacy with proxies for all the RL cards?
I would play that format if it became a thing, but you have to understand that burn would be far far far too good probably. Miracles would also probably be a lot stronger than what everyone else was doing.
That's if you stay under the assumption that even after a testing period, that nothing could be added to the Banlist from say, Burn, should it prove to be too powerful.
Additionally, I see it as being a very good format. It wouldn't have the RL issue that plagues Legacy but it would also be free of the "too good for Standard gatekeeper that's ruining Modern. It would be a proper accessible (by which I mean they can reprint cards for it) non rotating format where answers are better than threats, as should be the case.
It all depends on what each player wants out of a format. I personally dont like Legacy and am enjoying Modern (even since the Twin ban). If the new format was pushed closer to Legacy I probably wouldnt play it.
I do think its strange thinking about the reprints when we have Modern already and we see how they have handled reprints for Modern.
Additionally, I see it as being a very good format. It wouldn't have the RL issue that plagues Legacy but it would also be free of the "too good for Standard gatekeeper that's ruining Modern. It would be a proper accessible (by which I mean they can reprint cards for it) non rotating format where answers are better than threats, as should be the case.
It all depends on what each player wants out of a format. I personally dont like Legacy and am enjoying Modern (even since the Twin ban). If the new format was pushed closer to Legacy I probably wouldnt play it.
I do think its strange thinking about the reprints when we have Modern already and we see how they have handled reprints for Modern.
Primary issue is that they got so many cards to reprint they just don't have any way to bring them back in good number except through printing in standard sets.
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3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
I'm playing a lot of Commander these days, so I voted both. At this point with Modern I've got my BGx brew that I'm stick with till the end, so I'll keep playing Modern until Wizard kills it. As long as wizards prints some solid cards in ETM, I'll pick a box up, attempt to pull some commander staples, and then sell the rest. Hell, you could probably make a sick cube by adding a few cards to what ever they print in ETM, or even by combining the MM1 and MM2 sets. Now that sounds like fun.
Feels like just another money sink. Hopefully modern will get better.
it will, obviously.
i'd play the heck out of a format that let me use all my old Urza block cards and stuff though. that would be sweet, and a nice difference in dynamic from modern, which i would still always play because it's an awesome format.
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There are a couple of reasons, why I wouldn't want to play it. It is just to similar to Legacy, while being not Legacy and thus making it not unique. Furthermore, while I like to play with broken stuff, Brainstorm, Tandrils and co are not a friend for everybody.
Instead of this "Eternal Format" I would rather see a modern super light banlist with only 2-3 cards on it (Skullclamp e.g.). As seen by several NBL tournaments it doesn't look problematic at all (balance wise), it is just a different take on the current format which I would like.
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PS: However, current Modern (- Eldrazi) + better generic answers to make Control / Tempo better would also be sufficient for me (so Daze/Stifle + Counterspell)
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either funpolice (Delver, Deathcloud, UW Control) or the fun decks (especially those ft. Griselbrand)
It all depends on what each player wants out of a format. I personally dont like Legacy and am enjoying Modern (even since the Twin ban). If the new format was pushed closer to Legacy I probably wouldnt play it.
I do think its strange thinking about the reprints when we have Modern already and we see how they have handled reprints for Modern.
I don't know what it is that you don't like about Legacy but Modern has a rather critical flaw, and it has had it from nearly day one. Threats are better than answers, just like in limited and Standard. Non rotating formats however require the opposite to be true, because there is no rotation to vary the threats, a dominant threat ultimately devolves into several dominant threats that seek to race each other and minimize interaction. That is what we have now, and what we have had for the past two years now where this pattern has been very clear.
Wizards is unwilling or unable to print proper answer cards in Standard due to power level concerns, but even they seem to recognize that it's an issue.
An Eternal format, whether that's a T3 or a T4 format fixes that problem, as there are far more ways to reprint new cards.
As far as Modern reprints go, they've done an ok job with them. Reprints are going to be a long term issue. Wizards is looking mainly at getting cards into trade binders, not reducing card value. That's not the strategy I agree with, but it is working. There are 3x as many Goyf's available in the format today than there were 3 years ago and that is definitely having an impact.
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As far as Modern reprints go, they've done an ok job with them. Reprints are going to be a long term issue. Wizards is looking mainly at getting cards into trade binders, not reducing card value. That's not the strategy I agree with, but it is working. There are 3x as many Goyf's available in the format today than there were 3 years ago and that is definitely having an impact.
I don't think that is largely the issue. I think the issue with reprints is that they are trying the impossible. They are trying to provide the players with much needed staples, whilst printing them in a wanabee balanced draft format. The two things are at odds. Most of the needed staples, if printed as needed in a draft format would make for a crap draft, so they need to push them to mythic (which some cards are far from being), keep them low in each set and fill the set with crap to make a suitable draft format. Like this, they will never be able to sort the reprinting since some cards would probably not fit into a draft format.
Additionally, I see it as being a very good format. It wouldn't have the RL issue that plagues Legacy but it would also be free of the "too good for Standard gatekeeper that's ruining Modern. It would be a proper accessible (by which I mean they can reprint cards for it) non rotating format where answers are better than threats, as should be the case.
It all depends on what each player wants out of a format. I personally dont like Legacy and am enjoying Modern (even since the Twin ban). If the new format was pushed closer to Legacy I probably wouldnt play it.
I do think its strange thinking about the reprints when we have Modern already and we see how they have handled reprints for Modern.
Primary issue is that they got so many cards to reprint they just don't have any way to bring them back in good number except through printing in standard sets.
To you. Just because you feel Wotc should be reprinting some cards doesnt mean Wotc sees it that way or other players for that matter.
@Aazadan The problem with your thinking is Modern is not an eternal format. Its a tweener format between Standard and eternal formats. So it doesnt really need the answers eternal formats need.
As for what I dislike about Legacy, there are many things, the speed, the brokenness, the tilt towards blue in the format, the elitist attitude of some Legacy players.. just to name a few off the top of my head. I really dont feel Modern has too much wrong with it. I am enjoying playing Modern.
Additionally, I see it as being a very good format. It wouldn't have the RL issue that plagues Legacy but it would also be free of the "too good for Standard gatekeeper that's ruining Modern. It would be a proper accessible (by which I mean they can reprint cards for it) non rotating format where answers are better than threats, as should be the case.
It all depends on what each player wants out of a format. I personally dont like Legacy and am enjoying Modern (even since the Twin ban). If the new format was pushed closer to Legacy I probably wouldnt play it.
I do think its strange thinking about the reprints when we have Modern already and we see how they have handled reprints for Modern.
Primary issue is that they got so many cards to reprint they just don't have any way to bring them back in good number except through printing in standard sets.
To you. Just because you feel Wotc should be reprinting some cards doesnt mean Wotc sees it that way or other players for that matter.
@Aazadan The problem with your thinking is Modern is not an eternal format. Its a tweener format between Standard and eternal formats. So it doesnt really need the answers eternal formats need.
As for what I dislike about Legacy, there are many things, the speed, the brokenness, the tilt towards blue in the format, the elitist attitude of some Legacy players.. just to name a few off the top of my head. I really dont feel Modern has too much wrong with it. I am enjoying playing Modern.
To you, stop making crazy presumptions on 50% of the postings that happen involving the word reprint, or try to avoid taking such an aggressive anti-reprint stance that you look like a flag bearer of "abandon all hope ye who play eternal / modern, for prices shall rise, numbers shall decrease, and eventually all shall be lost to thy dust in time unless on a magical whim the WotC fairy god mother decides to reprint X. Then this mostly applies to those crazy people who spent way too much money on X a few months earlier."
If you like your spikes high and your cards nice and spicy pricy and are adamant on defending the practice of low reprints and high than all the power to you. I have a hard time believing anyone outside of cardboard investors would want that.
1. (Ravnica Allegiance): You can't keep a good esper control deck down... Or Wilderness Reclamation... or Gates...
2. (War of the Spark): Guys, I know what we need! We need a cycle of really idiotic flavor text victory cards! Jace's Triumph...
3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
To you, stop making crazy presumptions on 50% of the postings that happen involving the word reprint, or try to avoid taking such an aggressive anti-reprint stance that you look like a flag bearer of "abandon all hope ye who play eternal / modern, for prices shall rise, numbers shall decrease, and eventually all shall be lost to thy dust in time unless on a magical whim the WotC fairy god mother decides to reprint X. Then this mostly applies to those crazy people who spent way too much money on X a few months earlier." Laughing
If you like your spikes high and your cards nice and spicy pricy and are adamant on defending the practice of low reprints and high than all the power to you. I have a hard time believing anyone outside of cardboard investors would want that.
1) I dont mind reprints in the form of Modern Masters type product. I do mind forcing cards (other then mana bases) into Standard to get a reprint into the format. I dont think there are a lot of cards that really need reprints right now. If someone is too lazy to watch prices and start to complain after the card has started to spike, thats on you, no one else.
2) I have said I am a speculator. I have made a lot of money off the cards. So much so I am playing with house money, and I am a small fish and a huge sea of speculators. I do enjoy the market as it stands. But I had to learn the market 15 years ago to understand it and use it for me, not against me.
3) Most players understand if the cards had little to no value the game would not be as popular, sell as good, or have the prize support we do. Talk to limited players about return rate on sets for limited. You will notice players rarely play sets with low or minimal return value. This hurts Wotc sales. In turn hurts the game over all. Mainly because usually up to a handful of those cards in those low return value sets become playable in older formats and the set was barely opened. Causing a higher price and people like you to complain about prices.
4) Instead of trying to buck the system and change something that is working and has worked for years. Take the time to learn the market and the system. Make it work for you, instead of against you.
5) Its been said Eternal Masters is going to focus on Legacy playable cards, not so much on Modern.
I would absolutely play both. I've already got one Modern deck, and am working on Death and Taxes in both formats since the decks share quite a few cards. Plus, I believe Legacy D&T wouldn't have to change much, if at all, because of its lack of ABU duals. I'd probably wind up playing more "Eternal" or whatever the name of the format would be, as I personally prefer playing a more reactive/interactive game than just slamming creatures and turning them sideways. That's another discussion entirely, though.
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To you, stop making crazy presumptions on 50% of the postings that happen involving the word reprint, or try to avoid taking such an aggressive anti-reprint stance that you look like a flag bearer of "abandon all hope ye who play eternal / modern, for prices shall rise, numbers shall decrease, and eventually all shall be lost to thy dust in time unless on a magical whim the WotC fairy god mother decides to reprint X. Then this mostly applies to those crazy people who spent way too much money on X a few months earlier." Laughing
If you like your spikes high and your cards nice and spicy pricy and are adamant on defending the practice of low reprints and high than all the power to you. I have a hard time believing anyone outside of cardboard investors would want that.
1) I dont mind reprints in the form of Modern Masters type product. I do mind forcing cards (other then mana bases) into Standard to get a reprint into the format. I dont think there are a lot of cards that really need reprints right now. If someone is too lazy to watch prices and start to complain after the card has started to spike, thats on you, no one else.
2) I have said I am a speculator. I have made a lot of money off the cards. So much so I am playing with house money, and I am a small fish and a huge sea of speculators. I do enjoy the market as it stands. But I had to learn the market 15 years ago to understand it and use it for me, not against me.
3) Most players understand if the cards had little to no value the game would not be as popular, sell as good, or have the prize support we do. Talk to limited players about return rate on sets for limited. You will notice players rarely play sets with low or minimal return value. This hurts Wotc sales. In turn hurts the game over all. Mainly because usually up to a handful of those cards in those low return value sets become playable in older formats and the set was barely opened. Causing a higher price and people like you to complain about prices.
4) Instead of trying to buck the system and change something that is working and has worked for years. Take the time to learn the market and the system. Make it work for you, instead of against you.
5) Its been said Eternal Masters is going to focus on Legacy playable cards, not so much on Modern.
You have to admit that there have been some Glaring omissions in reprints, though; Serum Visions could have easily been in Theros/MM15 but were not, and it's the only mass playable cantrip in the game. And that's ignoring the fact that Scry has become evergreen.
There's also the fact that, as stated by jmlima, the method of the reprints is rather frustrating; due to it being a draft box with horrible drafting staples everyone wants. Not to mention the Standard Gatekeeper thing.
Now, I have no problem with high prices; $50 is fine with me, and if it weren't for the fact that the deck I REALLY want to play costs an arm (Tarmogoyf) and a leg (Liliana of the Veil) I wouldn't have an issue with Modern at all. But I am being kept out of the deck that A) Plays exactly how I want to and B) uses the exact colors I want to play, solely because I'm not willing to Edward Elric myself.
But I could easily go to MTGO and get Bayou's and Goyfs for $4 and $50 respectively. It's not really a good idea to make your playerbase choose between Social Interaction and playing the deck they want....
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Probably. I'm working on D&T for Legacy right now, and if I'm not misremembering then the deck should be 100% the same between the two formats.
Also, I want to build blue decks without spending a few grand on my manabase. Not sure how the meta would shake out with shocks though, blue might still be a bit behind. UW would probably be pretty solid though, I could do that.
I would not worry about burn even with shocks. Legacy decks are much less color intensive and run a lot of basics. Also the counterbalance/top lock along with combo will keep aggro out like in legacy of non of that gets banned in this hypothetical format.
Ultimately I would end up playing whichever format was more popular and had more local tournaments I could go to. I only have so much time to play MtG, and I would have a hard time keeping up with two different metas.
Of the two I would prefer Eternal. It would suck having to build into another batch of staples (as I don't play legacy), but long-term I think you would see a healthier format that Wizards could print cards for that didn't have to go through standard.
Not sure if its too off-topic for this thread, but I always thought it was an odd restriction that Wizards placed on themselves that all cards for Modern HAD to be printed in standard sets. With the subjective starting point Wizards picked for Modern (Look guys, its a different frame!) I thought at some point they would add a supplemental set to get some older cards they wanted into the format that had a power level too high for standard.
I'd play both, but if Eternal happened to be popular enough I'd probably ditch Modern. I'm not really into playing against aggro for 5 out of 6 rounds in any given event, and Eternal would give me access to finally go play a decent Mono U control deck.
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Mainly because we all know it wouldnt be that cut and dry. Some I am sure hope it would be, but we know it wont be.
Forsythe said 'Eternal' is not a format. That doesnt mean the name could or would be something else.
Then someone posted a shot of a Maro post on Twitter asking if/when we will get a new format. Maros answer was 'when'.
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3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
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I would play that format if it became a thing, but you have to understand that burn would be far far far too good probably. Miracles would also probably be a lot stronger than what everyone else was doing.
Wasteland is absurd in a world of Shocks, so much so that I think you would see deck composition seriously change (cutting colors) in order to use basics early and tango's later.
Price of Progress would probably be a good card to ban just incase, but a shift in manabase composition like this could also keep the deck in line.
That said, I play decent decks in Legacy now with Burn and Nic Fit, and I play a lot of Modern decks. I have a pretty good manabase collection and many staples. I see no reason why I wouldn't play eternal.
Additionally, I see it as being a very good format. It wouldn't have the RL issue that plagues Legacy but it would also be free of the "too good for Standard gatekeeper that's ruining Modern. It would be a proper accessible (by which I mean they can reprint cards for it) non rotating format where answers are better than threats, as should be the case.
That's if you stay under the assumption that even after a testing period, that nothing could be added to the Banlist from say, Burn, should it prove to be too powerful.
It all depends on what each player wants out of a format. I personally dont like Legacy and am enjoying Modern (even since the Twin ban). If the new format was pushed closer to Legacy I probably wouldnt play it.
I do think its strange thinking about the reprints when we have Modern already and we see how they have handled reprints for Modern.
Primary issue is that they got so many cards to reprint they just don't have any way to bring them back in good number except through printing in standard sets.
1. (Ravnica Allegiance): You can't keep a good esper control deck down... Or Wilderness Reclamation... or Gates...
2. (War of the Spark): Guys, I know what we need! We need a cycle of really idiotic flavor text victory cards! Jace's Triumph...
3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
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i'd play the heck out of a format that let me use all my old Urza block cards and stuff though. that would be sweet, and a nice difference in dynamic from modern, which i would still always play because it's an awesome format.
Instead of this "Eternal Format" I would rather see a modern super light banlist with only 2-3 cards on it (Skullclamp e.g.). As seen by several NBL tournaments it doesn't look problematic at all (balance wise), it is just a different take on the current format which I would like.
Greetings,
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PS: However, current Modern (- Eldrazi) + better generic answers to make Control / Tempo better would also be sufficient for me (so Daze/Stifle + Counterspell)
Modern/Legacy
either funpolice (Delver, Deathcloud, UW Control) or the fun decks (especially those ft. Griselbrand)
I don't know what it is that you don't like about Legacy but Modern has a rather critical flaw, and it has had it from nearly day one. Threats are better than answers, just like in limited and Standard. Non rotating formats however require the opposite to be true, because there is no rotation to vary the threats, a dominant threat ultimately devolves into several dominant threats that seek to race each other and minimize interaction. That is what we have now, and what we have had for the past two years now where this pattern has been very clear.
Wizards is unwilling or unable to print proper answer cards in Standard due to power level concerns, but even they seem to recognize that it's an issue.
An Eternal format, whether that's a T3 or a T4 format fixes that problem, as there are far more ways to reprint new cards.
As far as Modern reprints go, they've done an ok job with them. Reprints are going to be a long term issue. Wizards is looking mainly at getting cards into trade binders, not reducing card value. That's not the strategy I agree with, but it is working. There are 3x as many Goyf's available in the format today than there were 3 years ago and that is definitely having an impact.
I don't think that is largely the issue. I think the issue with reprints is that they are trying the impossible. They are trying to provide the players with much needed staples, whilst printing them in a wanabee balanced draft format. The two things are at odds. Most of the needed staples, if printed as needed in a draft format would make for a crap draft, so they need to push them to mythic (which some cards are far from being), keep them low in each set and fill the set with crap to make a suitable draft format. Like this, they will never be able to sort the reprinting since some cards would probably not fit into a draft format.
just like legacy drop power 9 in prices?
duals are never going to drop, between EDH and legacy/vintage they are as safe as a US national treasury bond.
To you. Just because you feel Wotc should be reprinting some cards doesnt mean Wotc sees it that way or other players for that matter.
@Aazadan The problem with your thinking is Modern is not an eternal format. Its a tweener format between Standard and eternal formats. So it doesnt really need the answers eternal formats need.
As for what I dislike about Legacy, there are many things, the speed, the brokenness, the tilt towards blue in the format, the elitist attitude of some Legacy players.. just to name a few off the top of my head. I really dont feel Modern has too much wrong with it. I am enjoying playing Modern.
To you, stop making crazy presumptions on 50% of the postings that happen involving the word reprint, or try to avoid taking such an aggressive anti-reprint stance that you look like a flag bearer of "abandon all hope ye who play eternal / modern, for prices shall rise, numbers shall decrease, and eventually all shall be lost to thy dust in time unless on a magical whim the WotC fairy god mother decides to reprint X. Then this mostly applies to those crazy people who spent way too much money on X a few months earlier."
If you like your spikes high and your cards nice and spicy pricy and are adamant on defending the practice of low reprints and high than all the power to you. I have a hard time believing anyone outside of cardboard investors would want that.
1. (Ravnica Allegiance): You can't keep a good esper control deck down... Or Wilderness Reclamation... or Gates...
2. (War of the Spark): Guys, I know what we need! We need a cycle of really idiotic flavor text victory cards! Jace's Triumph...
3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
1) I dont mind reprints in the form of Modern Masters type product. I do mind forcing cards (other then mana bases) into Standard to get a reprint into the format. I dont think there are a lot of cards that really need reprints right now. If someone is too lazy to watch prices and start to complain after the card has started to spike, thats on you, no one else.
2) I have said I am a speculator. I have made a lot of money off the cards. So much so I am playing with house money, and I am a small fish and a huge sea of speculators. I do enjoy the market as it stands. But I had to learn the market 15 years ago to understand it and use it for me, not against me.
3) Most players understand if the cards had little to no value the game would not be as popular, sell as good, or have the prize support we do. Talk to limited players about return rate on sets for limited. You will notice players rarely play sets with low or minimal return value. This hurts Wotc sales. In turn hurts the game over all. Mainly because usually up to a handful of those cards in those low return value sets become playable in older formats and the set was barely opened. Causing a higher price and people like you to complain about prices.
4) Instead of trying to buck the system and change something that is working and has worked for years. Take the time to learn the market and the system. Make it work for you, instead of against you.
5) Its been said Eternal Masters is going to focus on Legacy playable cards, not so much on Modern.
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You have to admit that there have been some Glaring omissions in reprints, though; Serum Visions could have easily been in Theros/MM15 but were not, and it's the only mass playable cantrip in the game. And that's ignoring the fact that Scry has become evergreen.
There's also the fact that, as stated by jmlima, the method of the reprints is rather frustrating; due to it being a draft box with horrible drafting staples everyone wants. Not to mention the Standard Gatekeeper thing.
Now, I have no problem with high prices; $50 is fine with me, and if it weren't for the fact that the deck I REALLY want to play costs an arm (Tarmogoyf) and a leg (Liliana of the Veil) I wouldn't have an issue with Modern at all. But I am being kept out of the deck that A) Plays exactly how I want to and B) uses the exact colors I want to play, solely because I'm not willing to Edward Elric myself.
But I could easily go to MTGO and get Bayou's and Goyfs for $4 and $50 respectively. It's not really a good idea to make your playerbase choose between Social Interaction and playing the deck they want....
I would not worry about burn even with shocks. Legacy decks are much less color intensive and run a lot of basics. Also the counterbalance/top lock along with combo will keep aggro out like in legacy of non of that gets banned in this hypothetical format.
Of the two I would prefer Eternal. It would suck having to build into another batch of staples (as I don't play legacy), but long-term I think you would see a healthier format that Wizards could print cards for that didn't have to go through standard.
Not sure if its too off-topic for this thread, but I always thought it was an odd restriction that Wizards placed on themselves that all cards for Modern HAD to be printed in standard sets. With the subjective starting point Wizards picked for Modern (Look guys, its a different frame!) I thought at some point they would add a supplemental set to get some older cards they wanted into the format that had a power level too high for standard.
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