They need print Innocent Blood, Counterspell, something between GQ and Wasteland, and more in the next set along with some colorless hosers that all decks can use or else this deck needs to be banned into oblivion.
Prior to the protour the meta seemed like it would be tron vs aggo. My local regionals consisted of a ton of aggro with tron very poorly represented. There was Bx eldrazi, but those were both A) fine and B)creative and fun for the format. After this pro tour it would seem the UR list is what is completely nuts and bad for the format. The common denominator isn't eye or temple, even though they are what are fueling the new URazi madness. I think that eye allows for bonkers and unfair plays but to me the Bx decks were manageable before with eye and temple. My thoughts for a ban, while very, very messy, would be TKS, Mimic and Smasher. These are the problem cards in that deck. SSG for T1 chalice is pretty nuts but this deck gets around that in that their 3-4 drops are effectively 0-1 drops that bypass chalice. I honestly didn't mind the meta with Bx eldrazi but this new URazi deck needs to go
Edit: I'm also of the opinion that implementing a restricted list may also be the correct answer. Tron doesn't need more than 1 eye and while the bx eldrazi list will take a hit, both that and the UR list can still exist in the format
Honestly as a BW Eldrazi player, I think Mimic is one of the key problems. Without it they can't get off to crazy dumb starts like they do (endless one is just a vanilla 2/2 if cast for free). If they decide to go after the Eye (because the format can't adjust and they want to get rid of fast mana), they should address all turn 0 fast mana in Mox Opal and SSG as well. They can leave Eldrazi Temple because the BW Eldrazi could still run just not as good (probably solidly Tier 2 because it'd lack the inevitable late game) and other fair variants would exist. You wouldn't have nearly as dumb plays as before with Eye and it'd slow the aggro in the format down by a smidge. Banning both Eye and Temple would kill the fair Eldrazi decks. The problem isn't Smasher or TKS because while they are both good cards, they can be answered. What makes the deck bonkers is Mimic and the Fast Mana from Eye of Ugin.
i agree with him, counterspell should absolutely be in modern, daze im not so sure. however, i do not like the fact that he phrased that video as "modern has gone to all hell and powering up blue is the only way to save it"
he nailed it with blue only really being a combo color, other blue decks appear here and there, but nowhere near as often as say, green based creature decks or black based attrition decks, or red based aggro decks.
i think that powering up the answers is the real solution. not just blue's answers, we dont need to ruin the color pie balance modern has "for the sake of the format"
i know the color pie isnt perfect in modern, but hell, its way better than vintage and legacy! and better than most standard cycles as well
other colors need their answers powered up as well. all of blues counterspells are either conditional or overcosted?
well, all of blacks removal/discard is as well!
green isnt a very "answery" color, they are pretty fine imo, their creatures are the strongest in the format (please disagree with me, id love to hear another take on this)
white just has nothing. white specifically needs a two drop (or mother of runes, anyone?) and i think swords to plowshares as well
lets be honest, all red has is lightning bolt. without going into multicolor red cards, the only real reason red is in your deck is for bolt, or to do something broken with their draw spells
now, these changes should not all be made at once, and not all of the changes should necessarily involve reprinting old cards into the format, new cards could serve just as well. what we need is new answers to keep the craziness down at the same rate as new creatures come in powering the format up
I agree with all of this except on red. It has a LOT more going for it than bolt. Good threats, good midrange creatures, removal like terminate, even good sideboard cards. White just cries in the corner in modern.
Stop calling for bans!
Every time a set comes out a deck that breaks modern because of card draw, tutoring, combo or acceleration.
(people are calling for eye ATM because it is both tutor and accel)
It's not going to change soon...standard needs to thrive and modern should be the broken fest that comes next, for the hardcore people.
Pit all them broken cards against each other. Embrace the power creep. It can be balanced with answers...
Modern needs wasteland as nonbasics are too easily used and abused.
A colorless tutoring punisher would be helpful as well.
We all know the existing combo answer but it's only available in one color. A modern version of FoW is what R&D should be toying with.
So unban some stuff, print new answers (not just sideboard material!) and let the format evolve.
I agree with all of this except on red. It has a LOT more going for it than bolt. Good threats, good midrange creatures, removal like terminate, even good sideboard cards. White just cries in the corner in modern.
i felt as if i was being a little harsh on red, but other than pia, i couldnt think of any red cards seeing play outside of aggro. what am i missing? i explicitly mentioned multicolored cards
There is no way they would ban those otherwise *****ty Eldrazi that came out over Eye and Temple. They would have to ban 2-4 creatures from the newest set which would look silly on the ban list. If they ban Eye and/or Temple the deck becomes unplayable but those would look much more sane on the ban list next to things like Cloudpost. The lands are busted, it makes the spells busted, the deck isnt going to exist in the same way at all if they try to ban it out. They would never let Eldrazi do well at another PT, not after this.
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White has a few good cards too - lets not build up the hyperbole too much. However, I think it is also the one with the least to offer maindecks (even if it has the most to offer sideboards).
I'm fully on board with counterspell in modern, seems like a good addition. I disagreed with the premise that modern is in trouble and only BLUE can save it, but there is a point about just how much weaker countermagic is in modern compared to legacy, yet the decks are not as comparatively weaker.
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Stop calling for bans!
Every time a set comes out a deck that breaks modern because of card draw, tutoring, combo or acceleration.
(people are calling for eye ATM because it is both tutor and accel)
It's not going to change soon...standard needs to thrive and modern should be the broken fest that comes next, for the hardcore people.
Pit all them broken cards against each other. Embrace the power creep. It can be balanced with answers...
Modern needs wasteland as nonbasics are too easily used and abused.
A colorless tutoring punisher would be helpful as well.
We all know the existing combo answer but it's only available in one color. A modern version of FoW is what R&D should be toying with.
So unban some stuff, print new answers (not just sideboard material!) and let the format evolve.
we have a modern version of force of will, its called disrupting shoal, not sure how you could balance force of will anymore than that
Stop calling for bans!
Every time a set comes out a deck that breaks modern because of card draw, tutoring, combo or acceleration.
(people are calling for eye ATM because it is both tutor and accel)
It's not going to change soon...standard needs to thrive and modern should be the broken fest that comes next, for the hardcore people.
Pit all them broken cards against each other. Embrace the power creep. It can be balanced with answers...
Modern needs wasteland as nonbasics are too easily used and abused.
A colorless tutoring punisher would be helpful as well.
We all know the existing combo answer but it's only available in one color. A modern version of FoW is what R&D should be toying with.
So unban some stuff, print new answers (not just sideboard material!) and let the format evolve.
I disagree with your first block of sentences. I agree with your second. IF they start printing and unbanning such things, then I'll stop calling for a ban on this deck. But there are just too many angles to this deck that need to be hammered back into conformity with the rest of the format to realistically believe 1 set of new cards and/or unbans will solve it. Unfortunately the deck simply NEEDS to be banned. And I typically don't like banning things. But 8 Mishra's Workshops with a deck to abuse them is not OK in this format.
Prior to the protour the meta seemed like it would be tron vs aggo. My local regionals consisted of a ton of aggro with tron very poorly represented. There was Bx eldrazi, but those were both A) fine and B)creative and fun for the format. After this pro tour it would seem the UR list is what is completely nuts and bad for the format. The common denominator isn't eye or temple, even though they are what are fueling the new URazi madness. I think that eye allows for bonkers and unfair plays but to me the Bx decks were manageable before with eye and temple. My thoughts for a ban, while very, very messy, would be TKS, Mimic and Smasher. These are the problem cards in that deck. SSG for T1 chalice is pretty nuts but this deck gets around that in that their 3-4 drops are effectively 0-1 drops that bypass chalice. I honestly didn't mind the meta with Bx eldrazi but this new URazi deck needs to go
Edit: I'm also of the opinion that implementing a restricted list may also be the correct answer. Tron doesn't need more than 1 eye and while the bx eldrazi list will take a hit, both that and the UR list can still exist in the format
Honestly as a BW Eldrazi player, I think Mimic is one of the key problems. Without it they can't get off to crazy dumb starts like they do (endless one is just a vanilla 2/2 if cast for free). If they decide to go after the Eye (because the format can't adjust and they want to get rid of fast mana), they should address all turn 0 fast mana in Mox Opal and SSG as well. They can leave Eldrazi Temple because the BW Eldrazi could still run just not as good (probably solidly Tier 2 because it'd lack the inevitable late game) and other fair variants would exist. You wouldn't have nearly as dumb plays as before with Eye and it'd slow the aggro in the format down by a smidge. Banning both Eye and Temple would kill the fair Eldrazi decks. The problem isn't Smasher or TKS because while they are both good cards, they can be answered. What makes the deck bonkers is Mimic and the Fast Mana from Eye of Ugin.
Hmm...yea I was trying to think of a solution that involved minimal bans and looked at the root-cause of the UR eldrazi deck problems. I personally hate bans and would honestly like to see the Bx eldrazi decks stick around as they are pretty creative and not downright oppressive. Mimic is certainly one of the most problematic ones, but smasher and TKS coupled with the mimic seemed to push it overboard. Either way, I wouldn't mind seeing THAT eldrazi deck get nerfed but keep tron and the Bx eldrazi running the same...I just don't know what would be the best cut lol
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White has a few good cards too - lets not build up the hyperbole too much. However, I think it is also the one with the least to offer maindecks (even if it has the most to offer sideboards).
I'm fully on board with counterspell in modern, seems like a good addition. I disagreed with the premise that modern is in trouble and only BLUE can save it, but there is a point about just how much weaker countermagic is in modern compared to legacy, yet the decks are not as comparatively weaker.
sure, im not going to be able to sum up the entire color pie of modern with one line of text per color, that would probably require an entire book
i wrote more of a general "definition" of each color, and apologize if it came off as hyperbole instead of the way i meant it
Prior to the protour the meta seemed like it would be tron vs aggo. My local regionals consisted of a ton of aggro with tron very poorly represented. There was Bx eldrazi, but those were both A) fine and B)creative and fun for the format. After this pro tour it would seem the UR list is what is completely nuts and bad for the format. The common denominator isn't eye or temple, even though they are what are fueling the new URazi madness. I think that eye allows for bonkers and unfair plays but to me the Bx decks were manageable before with eye and temple. My thoughts for a ban, while very, very messy, would be TKS, Mimic and Smasher. These are the problem cards in that deck. SSG for T1 chalice is pretty nuts but this deck gets around that in that their 3-4 drops are effectively 0-1 drops that bypass chalice. I honestly didn't mind the meta with Bx eldrazi but this new URazi deck needs to go
Edit: I'm also of the opinion that implementing a restricted list may also be the correct answer. Tron doesn't need more than 1 eye and while the bx eldrazi list will take a hit, both that and the UR list can still exist in the format
Honestly as a BW Eldrazi player, I think Mimic is one of the key problems. Without it they can't get off to crazy dumb starts like they do (endless one is just a vanilla 2/2 if cast for free). If they decide to go after the Eye (because the format can't adjust and they want to get rid of fast mana), they should address all turn 0 fast mana in Mox Opal and SSG as well. They can leave Eldrazi Temple because the BW Eldrazi could still run just not as good (probably solidly Tier 2 because it'd lack the inevitable late game) and other fair variants would exist. You wouldn't have nearly as dumb plays as before with Eye and it'd slow the aggro in the format down by a smidge. Banning both Eye and Temple would kill the fair Eldrazi decks. The problem isn't Smasher or TKS because while they are both good cards, they can be answered. What makes the deck bonkers is Mimic and the Fast Mana from Eye of Ugin.
Hmm...yea I was trying to think of a solution that involved minimal bans and looked at the root-cause of the UR eldrazi deck problems. I personally hate bans and would honestly like to see the Bx eldrazi decks stick around as they are pretty creative and not downright oppressive. Mimic is certainly one of the most problematic ones, but smasher and TKS coupled with the mimic seemed to push it overboard. Either way, I wouldn't mind seeing THAT eldrazi deck get nerfed but keep tron and the Bx eldrazi running the same...I just don't know what would be the best cut lol
If my feet were to the fire and something HAD to be done. I'd do Eye of Ugin and Eldrazi Mimic. Kill the colorless aggro variant, the URx variant and Bx variants are tolerable because they are far easier to interact with. Splash damage is done to Tron. It can overcome that and it allows control decks to gain more ground over the meta. In BW Eldrazi I'd probably add in some number of Sea Gate Wreckage so I could draw some extra cards in the long games where I'd be tutoring up threats (now I just got to draw them) and I'd remove the Ulamog end game all together (sacrificing 1 slot isn't that big a deal). It'd become a budget Junk deck that'd likely be Tier 2. I'd be sad that our Tier 1 dreams died because of the aggro variant being too strong but I'd tolerate it. I really do think Mimic is a problem but you usually ban the engine (which is Eye of Ugin in this case).
he nailed it with blue only really being a combo color, other blue decks appear here and there, but nowhere near as often as say, green based creature decks or black based attrition decks, or red based aggro decks.
You blew my mind with that sentence.
Despite playing for quite a while, I actually started playing Competitively during Ravnica. For the most part, I played only Control decks for around 10 years, especially at the Competitive REL level. This encompasses probably 50 PTQs, 5 GPs, and 50 other Comp REL tournaments. I always identified with myself as a UB Player, even enjoying it much more than UW or UR. I did love 4 Color or 5 Color Control a lot as well. Flash forward to today, I play nearly all Combo. I always thought that I had changed as a player, but maybe it was the game that changed. You blew my mind. (Look at the decks that I play - few of them are something a true UB player would play.) I just never felt safe playing UB Control type decks after UB Grave Titan/JTMS got replaced by UW Caw Blade. Previously, I felt like I could hide behind a UB deck with the best cards that the format had to offer.
*Wasteland is too good for Modern. I agree that Modern needs better land hate, but that card is going to lead to a lot more variance and we can see the backlash here for the Modern Roulette and its variance even before Eldrazi.
Legacy - Sneak Show, BR Reanimator, Miracles, UW Stoneblade
Premodern - Trix, RecSur, Enchantress, Reanimator, Elves https://www.facebook.com/groups/PremodernUSA/ Modern - Neobrand, Hogaak Vine, Elves
Standard - Mono Red (6-2 and 5-3 in 2 McQ)
Draft - (I wish I had more time for limited...)
Commander - Norin the Wary, Grimgrin, Adun Oakenshield (taking forever to build) (dead format for me)
He lost me when he said Remand was a combo counter, everyone knows Remand is a tempo card. Then he claims counterspell has a drawback because its UU.
I think some players are looking for 1999 Magic and are upset how the game as a whole has evolved.
I also think if Wotc goes that way, I would rather Memory Lapse over Daze.
But I doubt we see either of them. Blue has changed the last 5 or so years in Standard and its not the blue of old. I think its wishful thinking to think Wotc will change its philosophy now and revert.
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Instead of being passive aggressive, why not just directly quote my post, since I am the only one to mention percents in a post who "cried" about the twin ban
I wasnt talking about you, but if the shoe fits... you know what they say.
I realize that he comes from a strong Blue, Interactive type of player mentality, but a lot of his points are spot on. I truly agree with him that people have to get over their HATE for Counterspell. If someone is doing Counterspell on your Primeval Titan, then there are so many answers that we have nowadays that didn't exist before, namely Summoning Trap and Cavern of Souls. Counterspell would not be the end all that it was before. Not to mention, the quality of creatures is so good nowadays that Counterspell can't stop Eye, Mimic, Mimic or even what Affinity or Zoo can do. These are all parts in the evolution of Magic, as is Land D and Prison dying to a shell of their old selves. (Long live Lantern!)
I don't agree with everything he said either, like Daze, but I still think his point that he would like Blue Control to have a place in Modern is valid.
I know that a lot of people here have been attacking you, but you can't honestly think the meta is better with UR and Colorless Eldrazi taking over right now. I play Bogles, which beats those decks outside of Chalice of the Void, and I still think that meta is disgusting. I actually am seriously considering selling all of my Eldrazi pieces and playing Rally in Standard for a bit.
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I used to play a deck with 4 Strip Mine, 4 Black Vise, 4 Stone Rain, 4 Sinkhole, 4 Ice Storm, 4 Thermokarst, 4 Lightning Bolt, power 9, Atog and Berserk. I loved that Prison deck, but if most people found this out about me, they would think that I am a DEGENERATE. I know these days are over. I learned it around 15 years or more ago.
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Standard - Mono Red (6-2 and 5-3 in 2 McQ)
Draft - (I wish I had more time for limited...)
Commander - Norin the Wary, Grimgrin, Adun Oakenshield (taking forever to build) (dead format for me)
anyways, just was announced that the second set in innistrad (eldritch moon) will have a standard pro tour. soi will also be standard, think this bodes poorly for future modern pro tours? only reason i mention it is due to them waiting until today to announce it instead of during the pro tour, perhaps they changed their mind during the pro tour and switched it to standard, and delayed the announcement as to not enrage the viewers further?
*edit* ignore me, got the timing wrong because of the new 2 set blocks, timing way off
Forsythe is adamant that the only way cards will enter modern is through standard. Since that's it there is no hope of counterspell. Wizards refuses to print it.
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If you couldn't tell I hate greedy blue decks.
anyways, just was announced that the second set in innistrad (eldritch moon) will have a standard pro tour. soi will also be standard, think this bodes poorly for future modern pro tours? only reason i mention it is due to them waiting until today to announce it instead of during the pro tour, perhaps they changed their mind during the pro tour and switched it to standard, and delayed the announcement as to not enrage the viewers further?
Maybe.. or they were selling the Eldrazi Hype because they could so why distract with a future set? If this was a normal modern PT of the past, they could easily advertise both but they are still selling OGW product with the Eldrazi doing so well.
anyways, just was announced that the second set in innistrad (eldritch moon) will have a standard pro tour. soi will also be standard, think this bodes poorly for future modern pro tours? only reason i mention it is due to them waiting until today to announce it instead of during the pro tour, perhaps they changed their mind during the pro tour and switched it to standard, and delayed the announcement as to not enrage the viewers further?
They announced last year that we would only have 1 Modern PT and it was at the start of this year. SoI is and always was going to be Standard for the PT. You will not see another Modern PT until (at the earliest) Feb of 2017 if they dont remove it.
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I saw this article: http://www.moxboardinghouse.com/media/modern-no-banned-list/
And it got me thinking about what would happen if every card was unbanned. Would the format be fun like this article seems to suggest? Personally if this could be a balanced format I'd love to play it.
anyways, just was announced that the second set in innistrad (eldritch moon) will have a standard pro tour. soi will also be standard, think this bodes poorly for future modern pro tours?
I don't think it bodes anything for future modern Pro Tours. For the last five years there has been one Modern Pro Tour per year. What would have been an anomaly is if either of the next two Pro Tours were in the Modern format.
I saw this article: http://www.moxboardinghouse.com/media/modern-no-banned-list/
And it got me thinking about what would happen if every card was unbanned. Would the format be fun like this article seems to suggest? Personally if this could be a balanced format I'd love to play it.
I saw this article: http://www.moxboardinghouse.com/media/modern-no-banned-list/
And it got me thinking about what would happen if every card was unbanned. Would the format be fun like this article seems to suggest? Personally if this could be a balanced format I'd love to play it.
no. watch the no banned list gauntlet of greatness. dredge, hypergenesis, and elves are quite disgusting
I saw this article: http://www.moxboardinghouse.com/media/modern-no-banned-list/
And it got me thinking about what would happen if every card was unbanned. Would the format be fun like this article seems to suggest? Personally if this could be a balanced format I'd love to play it.
Standard: lol no
Modern: BG/x, UR/x, Burn, Merfolk, Zoo, Storm
Legacy: Shardless BUG, Delver (BUG, RUG, Grixis), Landstill, Depths Combo, Merfolk
Vintage: Dark Times, BUG Fish, Merfolk
EDH: Teysa, Orzhov Scion / Krenko, Mob Boss / Stonebrow, Krosan Hero
Honestly as a BW Eldrazi player, I think Mimic is one of the key problems. Without it they can't get off to crazy dumb starts like they do (endless one is just a vanilla 2/2 if cast for free). If they decide to go after the Eye (because the format can't adjust and they want to get rid of fast mana), they should address all turn 0 fast mana in Mox Opal and SSG as well. They can leave Eldrazi Temple because the BW Eldrazi could still run just not as good (probably solidly Tier 2 because it'd lack the inevitable late game) and other fair variants would exist. You wouldn't have nearly as dumb plays as before with Eye and it'd slow the aggro in the format down by a smidge. Banning both Eye and Temple would kill the fair Eldrazi decks. The problem isn't Smasher or TKS because while they are both good cards, they can be answered. What makes the deck bonkers is Mimic and the Fast Mana from Eye of Ugin.
i agree with him, counterspell should absolutely be in modern, daze im not so sure. however, i do not like the fact that he phrased that video as "modern has gone to all hell and powering up blue is the only way to save it"
he nailed it with blue only really being a combo color, other blue decks appear here and there, but nowhere near as often as say, green based creature decks or black based attrition decks, or red based aggro decks.
i think that powering up the answers is the real solution. not just blue's answers, we dont need to ruin the color pie balance modern has "for the sake of the format"
i know the color pie isnt perfect in modern, but hell, its way better than vintage and legacy! and better than most standard cycles as well
other colors need their answers powered up as well. all of blues counterspells are either conditional or overcosted?
well, all of blacks removal/discard is as well!
green isnt a very "answery" color, they are pretty fine imo, their creatures are the strongest in the format (please disagree with me, id love to hear another take on this)
white just has nothing. white specifically needs a two drop (or mother of runes, anyone?) and i think swords to plowshares as well
lets be honest, all red has is lightning bolt. without going into multicolor red cards, the only real reason red is in your deck is for bolt, or to do something broken with their draw spells
now, these changes should not all be made at once, and not all of the changes should necessarily involve reprinting old cards into the format, new cards could serve just as well. what we need is new answers to keep the craziness down at the same rate as new creatures come in powering the format up
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Every time a set comes out a deck that breaks modern because of card draw, tutoring, combo or acceleration.
(people are calling for eye ATM because it is both tutor and accel)
It's not going to change soon...standard needs to thrive and modern should be the broken fest that comes next, for the hardcore people.
Pit all them broken cards against each other. Embrace the power creep. It can be balanced with answers...
Modern needs wasteland as nonbasics are too easily used and abused.
A colorless tutoring punisher would be helpful as well.
We all know the existing combo answer but it's only available in one color. A modern version of FoW is what R&D should be toying with.
So unban some stuff, print new answers (not just sideboard material!) and let the format evolve.
i felt as if i was being a little harsh on red, but other than pia, i couldnt think of any red cards seeing play outside of aggro. what am i missing? i explicitly mentioned multicolored cards
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I'm fully on board with counterspell in modern, seems like a good addition. I disagreed with the premise that modern is in trouble and only BLUE can save it, but there is a point about just how much weaker countermagic is in modern compared to legacy, yet the decks are not as comparatively weaker.
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we have a modern version of force of will, its called disrupting shoal, not sure how you could balance force of will anymore than that
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Standard: lol no
Modern: BG/x, UR/x, Burn, Merfolk, Zoo, Storm
Legacy: Shardless BUG, Delver (BUG, RUG, Grixis), Landstill, Depths Combo, Merfolk
Vintage: Dark Times, BUG Fish, Merfolk
EDH: Teysa, Orzhov Scion / Krenko, Mob Boss / Stonebrow, Krosan Hero
Hmm...yea I was trying to think of a solution that involved minimal bans and looked at the root-cause of the UR eldrazi deck problems. I personally hate bans and would honestly like to see the Bx eldrazi decks stick around as they are pretty creative and not downright oppressive. Mimic is certainly one of the most problematic ones, but smasher and TKS coupled with the mimic seemed to push it overboard. Either way, I wouldn't mind seeing THAT eldrazi deck get nerfed but keep tron and the Bx eldrazi running the same...I just don't know what would be the best cut lol
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Derevi Stax
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Marchesa, The Black Rose
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sure, im not going to be able to sum up the entire color pie of modern with one line of text per color, that would probably require an entire book
i wrote more of a general "definition" of each color, and apologize if it came off as hyperbole instead of the way i meant it
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UBRgrixis delverUBR
UR ur kikimite UR
EDH
RUG Riku of Two Reflections RUG
UBR Marchesa, the Black Rose UBR
UBRGYidris, Maelstrom Wielder UBRG
UBRJeleva, Nephalia's ScourgeUBR
If my feet were to the fire and something HAD to be done. I'd do Eye of Ugin and Eldrazi Mimic. Kill the colorless aggro variant, the URx variant and Bx variants are tolerable because they are far easier to interact with. Splash damage is done to Tron. It can overcome that and it allows control decks to gain more ground over the meta. In BW Eldrazi I'd probably add in some number of Sea Gate Wreckage so I could draw some extra cards in the long games where I'd be tutoring up threats (now I just got to draw them) and I'd remove the Ulamog end game all together (sacrificing 1 slot isn't that big a deal). It'd become a budget Junk deck that'd likely be Tier 2. I'd be sad that our Tier 1 dreams died because of the aggro variant being too strong but I'd tolerate it. I really do think Mimic is a problem but you usually ban the engine (which is Eye of Ugin in this case).
You blew my mind with that sentence.
Despite playing for quite a while, I actually started playing Competitively during Ravnica. For the most part, I played only Control decks for around 10 years, especially at the Competitive REL level. This encompasses probably 50 PTQs, 5 GPs, and 50 other Comp REL tournaments. I always identified with myself as a UB Player, even enjoying it much more than UW or UR. I did love 4 Color or 5 Color Control a lot as well. Flash forward to today, I play nearly all Combo. I always thought that I had changed as a player, but maybe it was the game that changed. You blew my mind. (Look at the decks that I play - few of them are something a true UB player would play.) I just never felt safe playing UB Control type decks after UB Grave Titan/JTMS got replaced by UW Caw Blade. Previously, I felt like I could hide behind a UB deck with the best cards that the format had to offer.
*Wasteland is too good for Modern. I agree that Modern needs better land hate, but that card is going to lead to a lot more variance and we can see the backlash here for the Modern Roulette and its variance even before Eldrazi.
Premodern - Trix, RecSur, Enchantress, Reanimator, Elves https://www.facebook.com/groups/PremodernUSA/
Modern - Neobrand, Hogaak Vine, Elves
Standard - Mono Red (6-2 and 5-3 in 2 McQ)
Draft - (I wish I had more time for limited...)
Commander -
Norin the Wary, Grimgrin, Adun Oakenshield (taking forever to build)(dead format for me)He lost me when he said Remand was a combo counter, everyone knows Remand is a tempo card. Then he claims counterspell has a drawback because its UU.
I think some players are looking for 1999 Magic and are upset how the game as a whole has evolved.
I also think if Wotc goes that way, I would rather Memory Lapse over Daze.
But I doubt we see either of them. Blue has changed the last 5 or so years in Standard and its not the blue of old. I think its wishful thinking to think Wotc will change its philosophy now and revert.
I wasnt talking about you, but if the shoe fits... you know what they say.
I don't agree with everything he said either, like Daze, but I still think his point that he would like Blue Control to have a place in Modern is valid.
I know that a lot of people here have been attacking you, but you can't honestly think the meta is better with UR and Colorless Eldrazi taking over right now. I play Bogles, which beats those decks outside of Chalice of the Void, and I still think that meta is disgusting. I actually am seriously considering selling all of my Eldrazi pieces and playing Rally in Standard for a bit.
P.S. -
Premodern - Trix, RecSur, Enchantress, Reanimator, Elves https://www.facebook.com/groups/PremodernUSA/
Modern - Neobrand, Hogaak Vine, Elves
Standard - Mono Red (6-2 and 5-3 in 2 McQ)
Draft - (I wish I had more time for limited...)
Commander -
Norin the Wary, Grimgrin, Adun Oakenshield (taking forever to build)(dead format for me)*edit* ignore me, got the timing wrong because of the new 2 set blocks, timing way off
UWRjeskai nahiri UWR
UBRgrixis titi UBR
UBRgrixis delverUBR
UR ur kikimite UR
EDH
RUG Riku of Two Reflections RUG
UBR Marchesa, the Black Rose UBR
UBRGYidris, Maelstrom Wielder UBRG
UBRJeleva, Nephalia's ScourgeUBR
Modern:
UWUW TronUW
Legacy:
WDeath N TaxesW
CEldrazi C
If you couldn't tell I hate greedy blue decks.
Vintage
WWhite Trash
Maybe.. or they were selling the Eldrazi Hype because they could so why distract with a future set? If this was a normal modern PT of the past, they could easily advertise both but they are still selling OGW product with the Eldrazi doing so well.
They announced last year that we would only have 1 Modern PT and it was at the start of this year. SoI is and always was going to be Standard for the PT. You will not see another Modern PT until (at the earliest) Feb of 2017 if they dont remove it.
U Tron
GW Bogles
RG Loam
UR Blue Breach
RBU Grixis Goryo
BRU Grixis Delver
GBR Jund
GBW Junk
Active Legacy Decks
BR Reanimator
And it got me thinking about what would happen if every card was unbanned. Would the format be fun like this article seems to suggest? Personally if this could be a balanced format I'd love to play it.
Hyper Genesis
no. watch the no banned list gauntlet of greatness. dredge, hypergenesis, and elves are quite disgusting
link: https://youtu.be/Z7zn-usxVqY
UWRjeskai nahiri UWR
UBRgrixis titi UBR
UBRgrixis delverUBR
UR ur kikimite UR
EDH
RUG Riku of Two Reflections RUG
UBR Marchesa, the Black Rose UBR
UBRGYidris, Maelstrom Wielder UBRG
UBRJeleva, Nephalia's ScourgeUBR
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