Modern: RW R/W Burn WB B/W TokensXU MonuU Tron // UWX UW Tron R GoblinsW Soul SistersRWG Small ZooWUR WUR Geist/Control/Kiki-Resto Combo/NahiriUR Splinter Twin (90% Japanese)/ Grixis TwinRUB UR Delver / Grixis Delver UR Blue MoonBWU Ad NauseamWDeath and TaxesRUB Grixis ControlUMerfolksX Affinity RGB Living End UR Storm/PiF Combo RGX R/G TRON GWU Bant Eldrazi BW Eldrazi and Taxes RUBGoryos Vengeance UB Faeries Legacy:BRx Renimator Playing right now:Standard: Jeskai Control Modern; GoryosVengeance/UBFaeries/Affinity Legacy: BRx Reanimator Pauper: UR Drake (banned) Commander: Merieke Ri Berit Esper
I hate the Modern offseason. It spawns all sorts of wildly unsupportable theories and topics. Literally don't even know where to start with this or even if these are serious questions. So I guess I'll just take them point by point:
It will continue to grow and expand, solidifying its place as the second most-played Constructed format behind Standard. Every year will see more events, more players, more coverage, and more content based around Modern. And if we are very, very lucky, the ban mania, doom-mongering, and offbase-speculation will slow down.
This will become a Legacy 2.0? The format will be rotate in the future? New Modern 2.0 whit M15 new frame?
No. No. And No^2.
Reprints and reprints everywhere and same decks again and again?
Lots of reprints. So long as reprints sell packs and fill tournament chairs, Wizards will keep them coming. Given the current trajectory since 2011, it's a good bet that they will continue this strategy for many more years.
As for decks, there will be a solid core of 3-4 tier 1 decks that do not change from year to year. Then there will be 2-3 tier 1 decks that change with the metagame. Tier 2 decks will all be totally viable in the right metagame context. Which is to say, the format will look like very other nonrotating format, except with more complaining and more mismanaged expectations on Wizards' part.
New OP cards to get obsolete old powerfull cards?
Not sure what this means, which probably means "No".
Bans every year to forces to changes metagames?
If a deck is broken, then yes. Every banning from 2013 onwards has been a good one (Except maybe DTT). If a deck is not broken, then no.
I dont know whats gonna happend whit Modern, staples prices always up and never go down, bad reprints and bannings are ruining the format
Staples prices: Go down as supply increases and then go up as more people join the format.
Bad reprints: Just because Wizards misses the mark on some reprints, doesn't mean they have a categorically bad reprint policy. MM2015 has enough examples in both categories to show they are trying and mostly succeeding. They'll get better.
Bannings: Format is healthier now than it has been since DRS got banned.
I'm about 95% sure this thread will wander into lockworthy territory by the time I wake up tomorrow, but I just can't in good faith allow these kinds of inanely unsubstantiated claims to go unaddressed.
Talking about card prices, Modern does not have the financial albatross of un-reprintable* duals hanging around its neck. With the expected reprints of the Zen fetches in RtZ, the last few expensive holdouts will come down and more tri-colour options will become available to budget-minded players. This is a crucial difference because while some expensive cards might lock players out of decks, dual prices lock players out of entire colours, arguably entire formats too. That's part of the reason that staple prices are high: more people can afford the lands to play them with. The problem with a lot of staple prices is Wizard's design theory restricting alternatives from being developed and printed.
In terms of how the format plays, no, Modern will never become Legacy 2.0. This has been made pretty clear through design, card allotment, and bannings. It will be StandardPlus and you will LIKE it or so help MaRo...
Modern is definitely not going to become Legacy 2.0 when it comes to the power of blue cards, that's for sure.
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Can people please just stop talking about a "Post-Modern" format starting with the M15 card frame? This is getting ridiculous. Just because they once decided to start a format with a new card frame doesn't mean that any changes to the card frame ever mean that a new format will be created based on them!!!
I personally feel that the future of modern will be a lot different. I know it sounds like a default response but I feel that future sets will dictate how the format ultimately looks at that given time. Better control cards means better and possible more control decks and same goes for tempo and agro strategies as well.
This will become a Legacy 2.0? The format will be rotate in the future? New Modern 2.0 whit M15 new frame?
No. No. And No^2.
Yeah, I'm not sure why people seem to bring up the possibility of Modern rotating or starting with M15. Rotation was part of the reason Extended failed; why would they want to return that?
I could see them maybe moving the start of Modern back to introduce more sets (Onslaught, Odyssey, Invasion, Masques), but I sure as heck don't see them moving it forward.
As for "Legacy 2.0" it's hard to comment because what in the world does that mean? I can think of at least three different ways to interpret that.
New OP cards to get obsolete old powerfull cards?
Not sure what this means, which probably means "No".
I think they're asking about the possibility of new cards coming in and obsoleting what are now powerful cards. For example, when Tarmogoyf hit, it suddenly made a whole lot of creatures that were considered really good obsolete. Goblin Guide made every previously aggressive 1-mana Red drop (e.g. Jackal Pup) obsolete in one go. Or how Master of the Pearl Trident largely replaced Coralhelm Commander.
So there will definitely be new cards that take the place of older ones, though it tends to not be as obvious as the above examples. For example, Siege Rhino has largely replaced Dark Confidant in Junk/Abzan decks, but they do such different things it's not really fair to say Siege Rhino made Dark Confidant "obsolete."
Bans every year to forces to changes metagames?
If a deck is broken, then yes. Every banning from 2013 onwards has been a good one (Except maybe DTT). If a deck is not broken, then no.
I'm going to take issue with this. Bloodbraid Elf was not a good ban, because it completely missed the actual problem card, resulting in the format being dominated by BGx for another year until they finally fixed it by banning the card they should have done in the first place (basically, the same thing they did in Extended years ago when they banned Hypnotic Specter over Necropotence, then had to ban Necropotence later on anyway). The other ban that happened then, the Seething Song ban, was for a deck that was not broken but just had the misfortune of being a good deck while breaking the holy Turn 4 Rule™ (they even admit in the banning announcement it wasn't dominating!). If Storm was actually broken, then by that logic they should've banned stuff from Splinter Twin, Scapeshift, Affinity, and UW Midrange because those decks were doing far better than the "broken" deck.
I would've agreed with your statement if you said "after Seething Song/Bloodbraid Elf" (excluding them) instead of "from 2013 onward" (including them).
The format is a good one and has the viability and greater design experience that Legacy and others have lacked. Vintage is basically like playing Tim Allen Magic, it's just more Power. Legacy is the Betty White format, you know it's old and that's it going to go the route of the other Golden Girls (Vintage and Extended) but it just won't die "just yet." Standard is Elvis, you think it's dead, you claim it's dead, but then you just see him walking down the at the local chapel marrying people or walking by saying hi...it doesn't die it just proliferates and finds new jobs.
Modern is that weird uncle, you know the one, that took you to cool places but always had that missing finger and drank a little bit too much. Gave you some "advice" on women before you were to young to know what he was talking about, let you stay up late and eat too much sugar. You know he's weird, he changes in strange ways with varied interests going from hydroponics to wearing a tin foil hat when the weather changes. But at the end of the day, you know what? You love your weird crazy uncle, and even when you're mad at him you know you love him because that's just the way he is.
As for Commander, that's just Sheldon Menery in cardboard form
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I've read this article before and I vehemently disagree with it. The main point Gerard makes is to never hope for things to be better, just accept that things are awful and make the best of that and that's something I can't fundamentally get behind.
I mean, in response to allegations he's trying to refute, he posts a pretty awful Esper deck (How it doesn't auto-lose to BGx I have no clue). I don't really know what he's trying to prove with that.
Modern will continue on its same trajectory. One of the most powerful and important decks right now will be banned out of existence this time next year. A few fringe decks will pop up and metagame their way into a decent finish at a PT/GP, and then never place as well again. Burn will be perpetually playable. Things never really change.
I've read this article before and I vehemently disagree with it. The main point Gerard makes is to never hope for things to be better, just accept that things are awful and make the best of that and that's something I can't fundamentally get behind.
I mean, in response to allegations he's trying to refute, he posts a pretty awful Esper deck (How it doesn't auto-lose to BGx I have no clue). I don't really know what he's trying to prove with that.
The deck finished fourth
Yeah it just sucks and auto-loses to GBx
Typical MTGS user: the format sucks and anyone suggesting I look at things a bit differently is wrong. Reality check: chances are you aren't very good at Magic. Reality check 2: netdecking doesn't make someone good.
While his argument of "suck it up and be creative" isn't quite as bad as PV's "I need 20 sideboard slots" stance, it's ignoring the actual issue of the power level of generic answers being weaker than the threats they need to fight against. His argument of playing more versatile sideboard cards is nice, but it doesn't change the fact that you still lose if you fail to draw them. I can play blood moon over sowing salt but if I don't draw it or I don't draw enough basics/fetches to play around my own cards, I'm still going to lose to tron. I can play timely over firewalker, but if I don't draw it or don't have the window to dodge skull crack, I'm still dead against burn. There are a lot of cards in the modern pool, but they aren't generically powerful enough to play non linear decks. The reason certain cards are more popular is because people who have the time to explore and test different cards did the work for those of us who don't and found that these are the most versatile options. The others are generally either inherently weaker or more restrictive in what your deck can do. I can play deprive over mana leak in control and it won't be dead later on, but setting myself back a land drop early isn't a viable option for a deck that already has to play several lands tapped.
The semi frequent bans might be good for shifting the metagame, but it's extremely discouraging for the players with more card availability restrictions. "I spent a lot of money on this new deck I enjoyed playing and I can't play it anymore, I can't afford / don't enjoy the "safe" competitive decks (twin/rock/etc) so why waste more money?" I know a couple of former pod players that I had to try and talk out of quitting modern all together because they couldn't find decks they could afford that they'd enjoy playing or didn't have money to buy a new deck because they couldn't just sell back their pod deck for something new because the cards dropped so much in value.
My personal experience was that every major ban ended up killing the deck that beat my bad matchups so my deck was no longer a viable option after the metagame adjusted, and I'm sure I'm not the only person who tried to look at the extended card pool (as g fab recommends) and still got punished by bans to the extent that they considered just taking a break from/leaving modern because of the cost associated with keeping up with it. The point of an eternal format is that you shouldn't have to worry about having to buy a new deck whenever a new set comes out.
Has the format ever had another banning that shut a whole deck down like the Pod banning did? I can't think of another, yet I keep seeing people talk about it as if it happens "whenever a new set comes out". We all agree and realize that the banning was absolutely devastating to the players who got hit by it, yet most players seem to agree that Pod had been format-warpingly overpowered for a long time and that the deck was impossible to nerf. I see that banning as an regrettable exception rather than the rule, and I'm inclined to believe that I'm not alone.
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Has the format ever had another banning that shut a whole deck down like the Pod banning did? I can't think of another, yet I keep seeing people talk about it as if it happens "whenever a new set comes out". We all agree and realize that the banning was absolutely devastating to the players who got hit by it, yet most players seem to agree that Pod had been format-warpingly overpowered for a long time and that the deck was impossible to nerf. I see that banning as an regrettable exception rather than the rule, and I'm inclined to believe that I'm not alone.
Eggs.
But nobody likes Eggs so nobody cares about it
Has the format ever had another banning that shut a whole deck down like the Pod banning did? I can't think of another, yet I keep seeing people talk about it as if it happens "whenever a new set comes out". We all agree and realize that the banning was absolutely devastating to the players who got hit by it, yet most players seem to agree that Pod had been format-warpingly overpowered for a long time and that the deck was impossible to nerf. I see that banning as an regrettable exception rather than the rule, and I'm inclined to believe that I'm not alone.
If by "shut a whole deck down" you mean a deck was legitimately no longer possible to play (e.g. Eggs is basically a nonentity now, but one can still put the deck together and play it), I believe the only decks that fall under that umbrella after the format's creation are 12-Post, Shoal Infect, and Birthing Pod.
I've read this article before and I vehemently disagree with it. The main point Gerard makes is to never hope for things to be better, just accept that things are awful and make the best of that and that's something I can't fundamentally get behind.
I mean, in response to allegations he's trying to refute, he posts a pretty awful Esper deck (How it doesn't auto-lose to BGx I have no clue). I don't really know what he's trying to prove with that.
The deck finished fourth
Yeah it just sucks and auto-loses to GBx
Typical MTGS user: the format sucks and anyone suggesting I look at things a bit differently is wrong. Reality check: chances are you aren't very good at Magic. Reality check 2: netdecking doesn't make someone good.
A deck doing well in a singular event does not make it good. All that its showcases is that the pilot is pretty good. I mean, Gerard won an open with his Sultai deck and guess what? No one else has done anything with it. Maybe Gerard is a good enough pilot that he can work past the shortcomings of his mediocre decks?
You're probably right about being bad at magic though. But for what its worth, I don't think anyone of this forum is good at magic at all. Otherwise, they'd be playing on the Pro Tour and not posting here.
Also, there's absolutely no reason to not netdeck under any circumstances, unless you like losing a lot.
I'd like to point out that storm also basically died with the seething song ban, BUG (all variants at the time) died with the DRS ban (although midrange BUG G-Fab style appears to be back).
One trend I've noticed is that cards that allow big swings in fair-matchups that cost less than five mana have been hit pretty hard. WOTC appears to be sort of hardlining the raw card-advantage/raw power level of the 4 mana slot in modern a little bit. I think siege rhino is the absolute strongest/best value in a 4 drop they're going to allow in the format unless they bring back BBE. Assuming this remains true, I feel that over time we're going to continue to see the crunch down in efficiency of decks. See the delve dudes in grixis and abzan. What I'm curious about is whether WOTC is going to overload the value options, or whether they're going to print more efficient answers. If they just keep upping the power level and flexibility of the threats, the format is going to become miserable, and probably even more hostile to generic control strategies. If they up the power level of answers, which I hope they do, we may see the format to begin towards a cyclical and self-policing metagame, similar to legacy. THAT is what I hope happens eventually.
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Modern will stay modern. The format will not change, sets will not be removed and no it will not become Legacy 2.0.
But what I do see is for Wizards in time to introduce a new format that will not go back as far as modern does. In fact it is being spelled out in black and white right before our eyes. It will start at Magic 2013 and everything else past that. Its the little things.
No more 4 CMC board wipes.
One mana cantrips are gone as are the one mana counters, lighting bolt is now lighting strike, etc.
Shock lands in RTR block, Fetches in Dragons and Battle for Zendikar (speculation) giving the full mana base.
Gone would be Aether Vial, Twin, Snapcast, Lilinna, Goyf, Bob, Tron, Storm, everything honestly.
Price! Current Standard removed, the most expensive cards is Voice of Resurgence and that is under $20 making it an easy mark for many new people to begin playing.
For the same reason above listed, to add value and desirability to the last few rotations.
I don't see this happening till at least Magic Origins and full rotation of Battle for Zendikar, but none the less, it is only a matter of time.
Modern will stay modern. The format will not change, sets will not be removed and no it will not become Legacy 2.0.
But what I do see is for Wizards in time to introduce a new format that will not go back as far as modern does. In fact it is being spelled out in black and white right before our eyes. It will start at Magic 2013 and everything else past that. Its the little things.
No more 4 CMC board wipes.
...Except if they started with magic 2013, they'd have Supreme Verdict.
One mana cantrips are gone as are the one mana counters, lighting bolt is now lighting strike, etc.
Except Lightning Bolt was gone from Fifth Edition up until Magic 2010. It's not a recent change that they thought Lightning Bolt was too powerful, they've always thought that, they just decided it would be fun to bring it back despite its strength for a few years.
Shock lands in RTR block, Fetches in Dragons and Battle for Zendikar (speculation) giving the full mana base.
Shocklands and fetchlands got reprinted because of Modern. Trying to read this into it doesn't make much sense. Besides, even without Modern it makes sense they'd be reprinting the most popular dual lands every so often.
Gone would be Aether Vial, Twin, Snapcast, Lilinna, Goyf, Bob, Tron, Storm, everything honestly.
How in the world this is any hint of them starting a new format with Magic 2013 I have no idea. This Just In: Removing sets from a format removes decks from a format. You haven't shown any indication that they want those cards gone.
A philosophy that started two years AFTER Magic 2013 was released. Also, quote: "This change in removal is an experiment, much like strong and cheap hexproof creatures. It may have the intended effect or it may not—although, I have personally enjoyed how it has shaped our FFL."
Price! Current Standard removed, the most expensive cards is Voice of Resurgence and that is under $20 making it an easy mark for many new people to begin playing.
Why create a new format to be cheap when they already have Standard for that?
For the same reason above listed, to add value and desirability to the last few rotations.
Why create a new format to do this when they already have Standard for that?
I don't see this happening till at least Magic Origins and full rotation of Battle for Zendikar, but none the less, it is only a matter of time.
I don't see this happening at all unless Modern starts losing a lot of popularity.
The main thrust of your argument appears to be "hey, they're doing things a little differently than in the past!" You mean like they've always been doing, not just since Magic 2013?
Modern will stay modern. The format will not change, sets will not be removed and no it will not become Legacy 2.0.
To this totally baseless and unreasonable prediction...
But what I do see is for Wizards in time to introduce a new format that will not go back as far as modern does. In fact it is being spelled out in black and white right before our eyes. It will start at Magic 2013 and everything else past that. Its the little things.
We have a better chance of seeing the reserve list done away with than Modern being switched out for another nonrotating format with a cutoff at 2013 instead of the Modern cutoff. That's just nuts. I can't think of many better ways for Wizards to destroy player confidence in their ability to manage the game than that. The only thing that's "spelled out in black and white right before our eyes" is that Wizards is doubling down on Modern. This includes Modern PTs and GPs, Modern Masters sets, reprints in Standard sets and duel products, etc. It really couldn't be any more obvious unless they explicitly said in an article "Modern is here to stay and we aren't doing any ridiculous new formats instead".
Modern will stay modern. The format will not change, sets will not be removed and no it will not become Legacy 2.0.
To this totally baseless and unreasonable prediction...
But what I do see is for Wizards in time to introduce a new format that will not go back as far as modern does. In fact it is being spelled out in black and white right before our eyes. It will start at Magic 2013 and everything else past that. Its the little things.
We have a better chance of seeing the reserve list done away with than Modern being switched out for another nonrotating format with a cutoff at 2013 instead of the Modern cutoff. That's just nuts. I can't think of many better ways for Wizards to destroy player confidence in their ability to manage the game than that. The only thing that's "spelled out in black and white right before our eyes" is that Wizards is doubling down on Modern. This includes Modern PTs and GPs, Modern Masters sets, reprints in Standard sets and duel products, etc. It really couldn't be any more obvious unless they explicitly said in an article "Modern is here to stay and we aren't doing any ridiculous new formats instead".
Well, to be fair, I don't think they were predicting that WOTC would replace Modern with the new format, but have the new format in addition to Modern.
I still agree it's a fairly baseless prediction, though.
Well, to be fair, I don't think they were predicting that WOTC would replace Modern with the new format, but have the new format in addition to Modern.
I still agree it's a fairly baseless prediction, though.
That's actually more ridiculous. Splitting the playerbase between two formats that are basically trying to do the same thing? As if the Legacy and Modern divide weren't contentious enough. Can you even imagine the Legacy and Modern and Moderner Modern divide? Forget "baseless": comments like this are as close to "spam" as comments can come without being outright warnable. It's rare that a theory is both completely lacking in evidence AND a terrible idea. Most speculation tends to be just one of those things. But with Modern, for some reason, we routinely get theories that are both.
There is zero chance of the making a more Modern, Modern again. I could see Modern getting the point in the next decade where extended is needed again, as baby step into modern. That is because too a lesser extent than legacy, the format becomes so large people have no idea what to build, and the interactions are too complicated to a standard player. To a certain extent we are starting to see it now with about 6 tier 1 decks and several 1.5 decks nipping at their heels. I doubt modern is going to change except maintenance bans and/or unbans.
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This will become a Legacy 2.0? The format will be rotate in the future? New Modern 2.0 whit M15 new frame?
Reprints and reprints everywhere and same decks again and again?
New OP cards to get obsolete old powerfull cards? Bans every year to forces to changes metagames?
I dont know whats gonna happend whit Modern, staples prices always up and never go down, bad reprints and bannings are ruining the format
RW R/W Burn WB B/W TokensXU MonuU Tron // UWX UW Tron
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Legacy:BRx Renimator
Playing right now: Standard: Jeskai Control Modern; GoryosVengeance/UBFaeries/Affinity Legacy: BRx Reanimator Pauper: UR Drake (banned) Commander: Merieke Ri Berit Esper
It will continue to grow and expand, solidifying its place as the second most-played Constructed format behind Standard. Every year will see more events, more players, more coverage, and more content based around Modern. And if we are very, very lucky, the ban mania, doom-mongering, and offbase-speculation will slow down.
No. No. And No^2.
Lots of reprints. So long as reprints sell packs and fill tournament chairs, Wizards will keep them coming. Given the current trajectory since 2011, it's a good bet that they will continue this strategy for many more years.
As for decks, there will be a solid core of 3-4 tier 1 decks that do not change from year to year. Then there will be 2-3 tier 1 decks that change with the metagame. Tier 2 decks will all be totally viable in the right metagame context. Which is to say, the format will look like very other nonrotating format, except with more complaining and more mismanaged expectations on Wizards' part.
Not sure what this means, which probably means "No".
If a deck is broken, then yes. Every banning from 2013 onwards has been a good one (Except maybe DTT). If a deck is not broken, then no.
Staples prices: Go down as supply increases and then go up as more people join the format.
Bad reprints: Just because Wizards misses the mark on some reprints, doesn't mean they have a categorically bad reprint policy. MM2015 has enough examples in both categories to show they are trying and mostly succeeding. They'll get better.
Bannings: Format is healthier now than it has been since DRS got banned.
I'm about 95% sure this thread will wander into lockworthy territory by the time I wake up tomorrow, but I just can't in good faith allow these kinds of inanely unsubstantiated claims to go unaddressed.
Talking about card prices, Modern does not have the financial albatross of un-reprintable* duals hanging around its neck. With the expected reprints of the Zen fetches in RtZ, the last few expensive holdouts will come down and more tri-colour options will become available to budget-minded players. This is a crucial difference because while some expensive cards might lock players out of decks, dual prices lock players out of entire colours, arguably entire formats too. That's part of the reason that staple prices are high: more people can afford the lands to play them with. The problem with a lot of staple prices is Wizard's design theory restricting alternatives from being developed and printed.
In terms of how the format plays, no, Modern will never become Legacy 2.0. This has been made pretty clear through design, card allotment, and bannings. It will be StandardPlus and you will LIKE it or so help MaRo...
Modern is definitely not going to become Legacy 2.0 when it comes to the power of blue cards, that's for sure.
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Storm Crow is strictly worse than Seacoast Drake.
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I could see them maybe moving the start of Modern back to introduce more sets (Onslaught, Odyssey, Invasion, Masques), but I sure as heck don't see them moving it forward.
As for "Legacy 2.0" it's hard to comment because what in the world does that mean? I can think of at least three different ways to interpret that.
I think they're asking about the possibility of new cards coming in and obsoleting what are now powerful cards. For example, when Tarmogoyf hit, it suddenly made a whole lot of creatures that were considered really good obsolete. Goblin Guide made every previously aggressive 1-mana Red drop (e.g. Jackal Pup) obsolete in one go. Or how Master of the Pearl Trident largely replaced Coralhelm Commander.
So there will definitely be new cards that take the place of older ones, though it tends to not be as obvious as the above examples. For example, Siege Rhino has largely replaced Dark Confidant in Junk/Abzan decks, but they do such different things it's not really fair to say Siege Rhino made Dark Confidant "obsolete."
I'm going to take issue with this. Bloodbraid Elf was not a good ban, because it completely missed the actual problem card, resulting in the format being dominated by BGx for another year until they finally fixed it by banning the card they should have done in the first place (basically, the same thing they did in Extended years ago when they banned Hypnotic Specter over Necropotence, then had to ban Necropotence later on anyway). The other ban that happened then, the Seething Song ban, was for a deck that was not broken but just had the misfortune of being a good deck while breaking the holy Turn 4 Rule™ (they even admit in the banning announcement it wasn't dominating!). If Storm was actually broken, then by that logic they should've banned stuff from Splinter Twin, Scapeshift, Affinity, and UW Midrange because those decks were doing far better than the "broken" deck.
I would've agreed with your statement if you said "after Seething Song/Bloodbraid Elf" (excluding them) instead of "from 2013 onward" (including them).
Shocklands? Fetchlands? Thoughtseize? Chord of Calling? Mutavault? Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth? Wurmcoil Engine?
Modern is that weird uncle, you know the one, that took you to cool places but always had that missing finger and drank a little bit too much. Gave you some "advice" on women before you were to young to know what he was talking about, let you stay up late and eat too much sugar. You know he's weird, he changes in strange ways with varied interests going from hydroponics to wearing a tin foil hat when the weather changes. But at the end of the day, you know what? You love your weird crazy uncle, and even when you're mad at him you know you love him because that's just the way he is.
As for Commander, that's just Sheldon Menery in cardboard form
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Let me just leave this here:
http://www.starcitygames.com/article/30331_The-Case-For-Modern.html
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I've read this article before and I vehemently disagree with it. The main point Gerard makes is to never hope for things to be better, just accept that things are awful and make the best of that and that's something I can't fundamentally get behind.
I mean, in response to allegations he's trying to refute, he posts a pretty awful Esper deck (How it doesn't auto-lose to BGx I have no clue). I don't really know what he's trying to prove with that.
The deck finished fourth
Yeah it just sucks and auto-loses to GBx
Typical MTGS user: the format sucks and anyone suggesting I look at things a bit differently is wrong. Reality check: chances are you aren't very good at Magic. Reality check 2: netdecking doesn't make someone good.
The semi frequent bans might be good for shifting the metagame, but it's extremely discouraging for the players with more card availability restrictions. "I spent a lot of money on this new deck I enjoyed playing and I can't play it anymore, I can't afford / don't enjoy the "safe" competitive decks (twin/rock/etc) so why waste more money?" I know a couple of former pod players that I had to try and talk out of quitting modern all together because they couldn't find decks they could afford that they'd enjoy playing or didn't have money to buy a new deck because they couldn't just sell back their pod deck for something new because the cards dropped so much in value.
My personal experience was that every major ban ended up killing the deck that beat my bad matchups so my deck was no longer a viable option after the metagame adjusted, and I'm sure I'm not the only person who tried to look at the extended card pool (as g fab recommends) and still got punished by bans to the extent that they considered just taking a break from/leaving modern because of the cost associated with keeping up with it. The point of an eternal format is that you shouldn't have to worry about having to buy a new deck whenever a new set comes out.
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A deck doing well in a singular event does not make it good. All that its showcases is that the pilot is pretty good. I mean, Gerard won an open with his Sultai deck and guess what? No one else has done anything with it. Maybe Gerard is a good enough pilot that he can work past the shortcomings of his mediocre decks?
You're probably right about being bad at magic though. But for what its worth, I don't think anyone of this forum is good at magic at all. Otherwise, they'd be playing on the Pro Tour and not posting here.
Also, there's absolutely no reason to not netdeck under any circumstances, unless you like losing a lot.
One trend I've noticed is that cards that allow big swings in fair-matchups that cost less than five mana have been hit pretty hard. WOTC appears to be sort of hardlining the raw card-advantage/raw power level of the 4 mana slot in modern a little bit. I think siege rhino is the absolute strongest/best value in a 4 drop they're going to allow in the format unless they bring back BBE. Assuming this remains true, I feel that over time we're going to continue to see the crunch down in efficiency of decks. See the delve dudes in grixis and abzan. What I'm curious about is whether WOTC is going to overload the value options, or whether they're going to print more efficient answers. If they just keep upping the power level and flexibility of the threats, the format is going to become miserable, and probably even more hostile to generic control strategies. If they up the power level of answers, which I hope they do, we may see the format to begin towards a cyclical and self-policing metagame, similar to legacy. THAT is what I hope happens eventually.
Yes, I am a local area mod.WELP. GOOD LIFE CHANGES ALL HAPPEN AT ONCE AND SOME ARE MUTUALLY EXCLUSIVEPrimary Decks:
Modern: Esper Draw-Go
Legacy: RUG Lands
EDH: Sidisi turn-3 storm
But what I do see is for Wizards in time to introduce a new format that will not go back as far as modern does. In fact it is being spelled out in black and white right before our eyes. It will start at Magic 2013 and everything else past that. Its the little things.
I don't see this happening till at least Magic Origins and full rotation of Battle for Zendikar, but none the less, it is only a matter of time.
Except Lightning Bolt was gone from Fifth Edition up until Magic 2010. It's not a recent change that they thought Lightning Bolt was too powerful, they've always thought that, they just decided it would be fun to bring it back despite its strength for a few years.
Shocklands and fetchlands got reprinted because of Modern. Trying to read this into it doesn't make much sense. Besides, even without Modern it makes sense they'd be reprinting the most popular dual lands every so often.
How in the world this is any hint of them starting a new format with Magic 2013 I have no idea. This Just In: Removing sets from a format removes decks from a format. You haven't shown any indication that they want those cards gone.
An article explaining what they've been doing for years and were doing before even Modern's starting point.
A philosophy that started two years AFTER Magic 2013 was released. Also, quote: "This change in removal is an experiment, much like strong and cheap hexproof creatures. It may have the intended effect or it may not—although, I have personally enjoyed how it has shaped our FFL."
Why create a new format to be cheap when they already have Standard for that?
Why create a new format to do this when they already have Standard for that?
I don't see this happening at all unless Modern starts losing a lot of popularity.
The main thrust of your argument appears to be "hey, they're doing things a little differently than in the past!" You mean like they've always been doing, not just since Magic 2013?
To this totally baseless and unreasonable prediction...
We have a better chance of seeing the reserve list done away with than Modern being switched out for another nonrotating format with a cutoff at 2013 instead of the Modern cutoff. That's just nuts. I can't think of many better ways for Wizards to destroy player confidence in their ability to manage the game than that. The only thing that's "spelled out in black and white right before our eyes" is that Wizards is doubling down on Modern. This includes Modern PTs and GPs, Modern Masters sets, reprints in Standard sets and duel products, etc. It really couldn't be any more obvious unless they explicitly said in an article "Modern is here to stay and we aren't doing any ridiculous new formats instead".
I still agree it's a fairly baseless prediction, though.
That's actually more ridiculous. Splitting the playerbase between two formats that are basically trying to do the same thing? As if the Legacy and Modern divide weren't contentious enough. Can you even imagine the Legacy and Modern and Moderner Modern divide? Forget "baseless": comments like this are as close to "spam" as comments can come without being outright warnable. It's rare that a theory is both completely lacking in evidence AND a terrible idea. Most speculation tends to be just one of those things. But with Modern, for some reason, we routinely get theories that are both.