Ant Queen is the one bulk rare i'm weirdly attracted to and don't know why.
I never even played with it.
Same with Mythic Snake for me. May not be a $15 card, but it is always useful. Ant Queen has similar appeal for me, but not the same. It is pretty cool to just use all the extra mana to make a swarm of tokens.
ant queen is actually an interesting card in limited though--and I love the card myself. M10 was a good set.
Private Mod Note
():
Rollback Post to RevisionRollBack
Yes, I am a local area mod. WELP. GOOD LIFE CHANGES ALL HAPPEN AT ONCE AND SOME ARE MUTUALLY EXCLUSIVE
Primary Decks:
Modern: Esper Draw-Go
Legacy: RUG Lands
EDH: Sidisi turn-3 storm
I don't want to open any, but I don't think I could be upset at opening an ant queen.
I'm really surprised I'm not the only one with a weird love for that card.
Are.. are we ants?
Definitely surprised at some of the missed opportunities in the set though, especially with the large number of bulk rares. With path being printed as a promo do you think they might do the same with serum visions?
Also, no surprises at another failure to print damnation.
With GP Chiba sold out, and 5940 players registered for GP Vegas, with 16 days to go, Modern Masters 2015 has to be considered a smmaaaaaashing success.
As for what's not included? Their reports will filter in what the masses are demanding. As many have mentioned, Path is July FNM giveaway. Even if you don't play standard, pop in and trade for them. Offering cash will work even better.
Serum will likely be August or September FNM giveaway. They can't spoil all the reprints early, or they'll suffer a loss of sales. I'm sure they have a list of the top 100 or 200 desired reprints, in all rarities. Each set, post some up, add new ones to the list.
And remember, above all else, they are a money making business, and one of the money formulas is never, ever giving the masses everything they want.
You can't consider the set as a massive success just because it a Grand Prix sells out before the set is spoiled and people can see that it isn't great.
Even if the set isn't favored, you still want people to draft/buy boxes. Someone has to open their wallets initially so the singles can flow. A giant 3-way draft at once should do it.
With GP Chiba sold out, and 5940 players registered for GP Vegas, with 16 days to go, Modern Masters 2015 has to be considered a smmaaaaaashing success.
As for what's not included? Their reports will filter in what the masses are demanding. As many have mentioned, Path is July FNM giveaway. Even if you don't play standard, pop in and trade for them. Offering cash will work even better.
Serum will likely be August or September FNM giveaway. They can't spoil all the reprints early, or they'll suffer a loss of sales. I'm sure they have a list of the top 100 or 200 desired reprints, in all rarities. Each set, post some up, add new ones to the list.
And remember, above all else, they are a money making business, and one of the money formulas is never, ever giving the masses everything they want.
You can't consider the set as a massive success just because it a Grand Prix sells out before the set is spoiled and people can see that it isn't great.
Even if the set isn't favored, you still want people to draft/buy boxes. Someone has to open their wallets initially so the singles can flow. A giant 3-way draft at once should do it.
That still doesn't make the set a success, which was what I was arguing against.
All the cards that matter (more expensive ones are in bold):
Apostle's Blessing: Infect
Celestial Purge: SB Daybreak Coronet: Bogle Elesh Norn, Grand Cenobite: UW Tron Iona, Shield of Emeria: UW Tron Leyline of Sanctity: SB for combo decks
Raise the Alarm: BW Tokens
Spectral Procession: BW Tokens
Sunlance: fringe SB Cryptic Command: blue staple
Flashfreeze: SB Hurkyl's Recall: SB
Mana Leak: blue staple Remand: blue staple
Repeal: UW/U Tron, Scapeshift
Thoughtcast: Affinity
Vapor Snag: Merfolk, Delver Vendilion Clique: blue staple Bitterblossom: fringe black card Dark Confidant: black staple (slowly losing this status)
Deathmark: fringe SB
Dismember: colorless SB
Surgical Extraction: fringe SB
Burst Lightning: fringe red card
Combust: SB (losing to Rending Volley)
Gut Shot: colorless SB Kiki-Jiki, Mirror Breaker: fringe red card (get over it, Kiki Pod no longer exists and Twin doesn't need a 5th copy of Twin)
Lightning Bolt: red staple
Smash to Smithereens: fringe SB (only Burn played it, nowadays they have Destructive Revelry) Splinter Twin: Twin
Tribal Flames: Domain Zoo
Mutagenic Growth: Infect, sometimes Zoo/Burn Noble Hierarch: green staple Primeval Titan: Amulet Tarmogoyf: Abzan, Jund
Vines of Vastwood: Infect
Electrolyze: UR staple Fulminator Mage: Living End, SB Wilt-Leaf Liege: Little Kid
Cranial Plating: Affinity Etched Champion: Affinity
Expedition Map: RG/UW/U Tron Mox Opal: Affinity Spellskite: colorless SB
All is Dust: fringe RG/G Tron Emrakul, the Aeons Torn: RG/UW Tron Karn Liberated: RG Tron Blinkmoth Nexus: Affinity
Boros Garrison: Amulet
Darksteel Citadel: Affinity Eye of Ugin: RG/UW Tron
Golgari Rot Farm: Amulet
Gruul Turf: Amulet
Selesnya Sanctuary: Amulet
Simic Growth Chamber: Amulet
NO SERUM VISIONS
55 actual playable cards out of 249 in the set.....
Seems like something went awry there.....
There is also Kor Duelist, Mirran Crusader, O-Ring, Myrsmith, Muldrifter, Nameless Inversion, Sign in Blood, All Suns Dawn, Commune With Nature, Macta Rioters, Nest Invader, Agony Warp, Boros SWiftblade, Mystic Snake, Lorescale coutl, Pillory of the Sleepless,Swans, Sunforger, Lodestone Golem, Frogmite, Myr Enforcer and maybe something with elementals.
Granted I am stretching on playable. The only play most of these will see is in budget, fringe, testing and maybe tier 2.5 decks barring a future print that makes them awesome
There is also Kor Duelist, Mirran Crusader, O-Ring, Myrsmith, Muldrifter, Nameless Inversion, Sign in Blood, All Suns Dawn, Commune With Nature, Macta Rioters, Nest Invader, Agony Warp, Boros SWiftblade, Mystic Snake, Lorescale coutl, Pillory of the Sleepless,Swans, Sunforger, Lodestone Golem, Frogmite, Myr Enforcer and maybe something with elementals.
Granted I am stretching on playable. The only play most of these will see is in budget, fringe, testing and maybe tier 2.5 decks barring a future print that makes them awesome
Understatement much? Of all of those cards mirran crusader sees actual play in hatebears, mulldrifter sees play in heartless summoning, and oblivion ring sees 1-of play in some RW prison/control/pillowfort decks. The rest have never been played in a modern deck other than a terrible pile of cards that happened to be modern legal on someone's kitchen table. As much as I want mystic snake to be good, its not.
Private Mod Note
():
Rollback Post to RevisionRollBack
Modern
* Esper Draw-Go
* Tezzeret Whir
* Blue Tron
Ive no problem whit MM2 spoilers, i already have 4x of majority of Modern staples, so dont worry at all, i will buy some eldrazis just for fun and iona/elesh and thats MM2 for me
Private Mod Note
():
Rollback Post to RevisionRollBack
Modern: RW R/W Burn WB B/W TokensXU MonuU Tron // UWX UW Tron R GoblinsW Soul SistersRWG Small ZooWUR WUR Geist/Control/Kiki-Resto Combo/NahiriUR Splinter Twin (90% Japanese)/ Grixis TwinRUB UR Delver / Grixis Delver UR Blue MoonBWU Ad NauseamWDeath and TaxesRUB Grixis ControlUMerfolksX Affinity RGB Living End UR Storm/PiF Combo RGX R/G TRON GWU Bant Eldrazi BW Eldrazi and Taxes RUBGoryos Vengeance UB Faeries Legacy:BRx Renimator Playing right now:Standard: Jeskai Control Modern; GoryosVengeance/UBFaeries/Affinity Legacy: BRx Reanimator Pauper: UR Drake (banned) Commander: Merieke Ri Berit Esper
There is also Kor Duelist, Mirran Crusader, O-Ring, Myrsmith, Muldrifter, Nameless Inversion, Sign in Blood, All Suns Dawn, Commune With Nature, Macta Rioters, Nest Invader, Agony Warp, Boros SWiftblade, Mystic Snake, Lorescale coutl, Pillory of the Sleepless,Swans, Sunforger, Lodestone Golem, Frogmite, Myr Enforcer and maybe something with elementals.
Granted I am stretching on playable. The only play most of these will see is in budget, fringe, testing and maybe tier 2.5 decks barring a future print that makes them awesome
Understatement much? Of all of those cards mirran crusader sees actual play in hatebears, mulldrifter sees play in heartless summoning, and oblivion ring sees 1-of play in some RW prison/control/pillowfort decks. The rest have never been played in a modern deck other than a terrible pile of cards that happened to be modern legal on someone's kitchen table. As much as I want mystic snake to be good, its not.
Nest Invader won a tournament a couple of years ago in a GWr Summoning Trap list
Frogmite and Myr Enforcer won a tournament a year ago or so in an alternative Affinity list
But yeah the rest are mostly for the casual brews. Though some of them have potential (mainly Sign in Blood and Nameless)
I am regretting the box I ordered now. probably won't draft either. To me if you don't get a good mythic, cryptic command, or remand the pack is useless. You can justify that for a $4 pack, but not for a $10 pack.
Private Mod Note
():
Rollback Post to RevisionRollBack
In life all we can do is try to make things better. Sitting lost in old ways and fearing change only makes us outdated and ignorant.
Peace cannot be kept by force. It can only be achieved by understanding.
Albert Einstein
Millions of innocent men, women and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, fined and imprisoned; yet we have not advanced one inch towards uniformity.
I am regretting the box I ordered now. probably won't draft either. To me if you don't get a good mythic, cryptic command, or remand the pack is useless. You can justify that for a $4 pack, but not for a $10 pack.
I am glad I didn't preorder or any. I do not really want to draft it either. I think I will stick with singles, and if I had box I would just sell it.
Am I the only one happy with modern masters 2015? I think people are forgetting that a lot of the value in the first MM at rare was comprised of overpriced (at the time)fringe commander playables that tanked a week after the set came out, not actual format staples.
Glad I wasn't getting a box and not going to bother with limited now. Really disappointing set. Playsets of Fulminators and Leylines once the prices dip and I'm out.
Yeah luckily I had the supplier hookup so I got a discount on mine. So I should at least get my moneys worth at least. Here is hoping I win the goyf lottery.
Am I the only one happy with modern masters 2015? I think people are forgetting that a lot of the value in the first MM at rare was comprised of overpriced (at the time)fringe commander playables that tanked a week after the set came out, not actual format staples.
The problem is the value density of this set is much lower than the price they set. The boxes are like $260(usd) after tax and the average value of cards is going to be somewhere in the $220 range. They should have kept the same price point as the last MM and honestly most people(i would) would be happy.
Private Mod Note
():
Rollback Post to RevisionRollBack
In life all we can do is try to make things better. Sitting lost in old ways and fearing change only makes us outdated and ignorant.
Peace cannot be kept by force. It can only be achieved by understanding.
Albert Einstein
Millions of innocent men, women and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, fined and imprisoned; yet we have not advanced one inch towards uniformity.
I can't justify opening packs or even drafting this set due to the incredibly high number of cards that are unplayable in Modern or Legacy. If the packs cost what a regular set does, sure I'd draft this and have a good time. But at over double the price? No thanks.
Sadly, I only hope enough people open it to drop the prices on the whole 7 cards I want from this entire set. Which is a little sad for what is supposed to be a premium set focused on Modern, considering thats about even with the number of cards I want from an average standard legal set (Khans had 8 cards I wanted, Theros 4, Return to Ravnica 11, Innistrad 4).
Private Mod Note
():
Rollback Post to RevisionRollBack
Legacy: WRDeath and Taxes UWRMiracles UBTezzerator GTrinity GBWRLoam URLandstill
Modern: WUBValue Titan UMerfolk WGDeath and Taxes
Yes, I spent waaay too much time on this because I was angry at WotC for the list we did get, and some of the things missing from it. Note that this isn't a refined list, I mostly just threw stuff on based on value, metagame presence, and some specific decks, then whatever I could dig up to fill in the blanks. I'm guessing it would be pretty bad for limited because of that.
Aaah, OK. I didn't realize the FNM promos were released online as those pomos, I always thought they were different cards, but that shows I don't pay much attention haha.
That promo is going to be in such high demand. It still needs a reprint. I can't think of any other common that isn't from unlimited/A/B that is more than $8. I am somehow guessing that it will see some life in a duel deck.
Private Mod Note
():
Rollback Post to RevisionRollBack
Current Decks
Modern
No idea because my favorite decks keep getting banned or having the rules changed against them
Legacy
GBDark DepthsBG
To post a comment, please login or register a new account.
No it wasn't. Everyone needs an Ant Queen!
Storm Crow is strictly worse than Seacoast Drake.
Weird, I feel the same way. And I don't even play green decks.
Storm Crow is strictly worse than Seacoast Drake.
Same with Mythic Snake for me. May not be a $15 card, but it is always useful. Ant Queen has similar appeal for me, but not the same. It is pretty cool to just use all the extra mana to make a swarm of tokens.
Yes, I am a local area mod.WELP. GOOD LIFE CHANGES ALL HAPPEN AT ONCE AND SOME ARE MUTUALLY EXCLUSIVEPrimary Decks:
Modern: Esper Draw-Go
Legacy: RUG Lands
EDH: Sidisi turn-3 storm
It will certainly win you a game in limited, which means more packs of MM2, it does have that going for it.
I'm really surprised I'm not the only one with a weird love for that card.
Are.. are we ants?
Definitely surprised at some of the missed opportunities in the set though, especially with the large number of bulk rares. With path being printed as a promo do you think they might do the same with serum visions?
Also, no surprises at another failure to print damnation.
Even if the set isn't favored, you still want people to draft/buy boxes. Someone has to open their wallets initially so the singles can flow. A giant 3-way draft at once should do it.
That still doesn't make the set a success, which was what I was arguing against.
Storm Crow is strictly worse than Seacoast Drake.
There is also Kor Duelist, Mirran Crusader, O-Ring, Myrsmith, Muldrifter, Nameless Inversion, Sign in Blood, All Suns Dawn, Commune With Nature, Macta Rioters, Nest Invader, Agony Warp, Boros SWiftblade, Mystic Snake, Lorescale coutl, Pillory of the Sleepless,Swans, Sunforger, Lodestone Golem, Frogmite, Myr Enforcer and maybe something with elementals.
Granted I am stretching on playable. The only play most of these will see is in budget, fringe, testing and maybe tier 2.5 decks barring a future print that makes them awesome
Understatement much? Of all of those cards mirran crusader sees actual play in hatebears, mulldrifter sees play in heartless summoning, and oblivion ring sees 1-of play in some RW prison/control/pillowfort decks. The rest have never been played in a modern deck other than a terrible pile of cards that happened to be modern legal on someone's kitchen table. As much as I want mystic snake to be good, its not.
* Esper Draw-Go
* Tezzeret Whir
* Blue Tron
RW R/W Burn WB B/W TokensXU MonuU Tron // UWX UW Tron
R GoblinsW Soul SistersRWG Small ZooWUR WUR Geist/Control/Kiki-Resto Combo/NahiriUR Splinter Twin (90% Japanese)/ Grixis TwinRUB UR Delver / Grixis Delver UR Blue MoonBWU Ad NauseamWDeath and TaxesRUB Grixis ControlUMerfolksX Affinity RGB Living End UR Storm/PiF Combo RGX R/G TRON GWU Bant Eldrazi BW Eldrazi and Taxes RUBGoryos Vengeance UB Faeries
Legacy:BRx Renimator
Playing right now: Standard: Jeskai Control Modern; GoryosVengeance/UBFaeries/Affinity Legacy: BRx Reanimator Pauper: UR Drake (banned) Commander: Merieke Ri Berit Esper
Nest Invader won a tournament a couple of years ago in a GWr Summoning Trap list
Frogmite and Myr Enforcer won a tournament a year ago or so in an alternative Affinity list
But yeah the rest are mostly for the casual brews. Though some of them have potential (mainly Sign in Blood and Nameless)
Albert Einstein
Thomas Jefferson
I am glad I didn't preorder or any. I do not really want to draft it either. I think I will stick with singles, and if I had box I would just sell it.
I loathe creatures! Praise Prison and Land Destruction!
My Peasant Cube (looking for feedback)
The problem is the value density of this set is much lower than the price they set. The boxes are like $260(usd) after tax and the average value of cards is going to be somewhere in the $220 range. They should have kept the same price point as the last MM and honestly most people(i would) would be happy.
Albert Einstein
Thomas Jefferson
Sadly, I only hope enough people open it to drop the prices on the whole 7 cards I want from this entire set. Which is a little sad for what is supposed to be a premium set focused on Modern, considering thats about even with the number of cards I want from an average standard legal set (Khans had 8 cards I wanted, Theros 4, Return to Ravnica 11, Innistrad 4).
Modern: WUBValue Titan UMerfolk WGDeath and Taxes
Modern : Huh?
EDH : UBGW Thrasios / Tymna Combo UBGW // GRW Mayael Big Stuff GRW // GU Edric Timewalkers GU
Mythics:
Rares:
Uncommons:
Commons:
Yes, I spent waaay too much time on this because I was angry at WotC for the list we did get, and some of the things missing from it. Note that this isn't a refined list, I mostly just threw stuff on based on value, metagame presence, and some specific decks, then whatever I could dig up to fill in the blanks. I'm guessing it would be pretty bad for limited because of that.
Do the FNM promos get distributed on MTGO somehow as well? If so, how are they distributed/earned?
Aaah, OK. I didn't realize the FNM promos were released online as those pomos, I always thought they were different cards, but that shows I don't pay much attention haha.