Hey, guys. Finally found a store I think I like near where I moved to, and wanted to see if there's something I can start playing to adapt to their meta. In the past I've jumped around a lot, so I'm comfortable playing pretty much any playstyle. I also have most of every Modern deck built; just need some advice on what to focus on.
The meta appears to have more Affinity players than any other deck, but I saw a smattering of pretty much everything tonight. I played against Affinity, Titanshift, Midrange Abzan, and Esper Draw-Go. I saw people playing Jeskai Ascendancy, RB Grislebrand Reanimator, and I'm pretty sure there were two Grixis DS players.
I played Bogles (my fully-foiled pet deck) to 2-2, losing to the grindy Liliana-casting Abzan player and the 4-maindeck-enchantment-removal Esper Draw-Go (I swear I'm not salty), but I feel there are probably more fitting (read: better) decks that I can approach the meta with.
Thanks, guys!
Because this one hasn't been answered yet, I guess I'll take it. It sounds like you could just play whatever you want because the meta is so diverse. There's a certain point where the field no longer had a weak spot, so I suggest just finding whatever you think is cool and play it. Personally, I would take Skred to that meta because it eats midrange/control decks while also having decent game against the aggro decks.
I'm also looking to build a second deck actually. I own Skred (my pet deck), along with Legacy Moggcatcher, so I have Chalices, Magus of the Moons, Trinispheres, and Ensnaring Bridges. Thus, I have a few options I'm considering. Sun & Moon looks like a lot of fun, and I've always loved Boros Prison decks. RG Ponza was a fun deck to play, and I already own a few pieces to begin building it myself. I've had my eyes on Merfolk for a while, and with all the reprints coming up I think it may be time to start acquiring pieces. Thoughts?
Have you tried free win red/ pyroprison?
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Colors you like to play: colors don't really matter to me
Style you like to play (control, combo, aggro, midrange, tempo, ramp, rogue): rogue, love playing decks people never seen before and are full to play.
Level you want to play at, or aim to build up to (causal, fmn, ptq): fmn only
If you want to play a rogue deck that's FNM competitive, then just go search through the Developing Competitive forum and find something that suits you. You don't have a large collection of stuff and don't have any strong affinities towards colours or strategies. Best I can say is just to stick clear of popular decks and find something that suits you. I'd load decks up into Cockatrice and test them out like that until one of them jumps at you.
Hi guys! Im a proud Ad Nauseam player, and i love the deck, but i feel that (obviously) it is a very unstable deck. I love combo and i want to know if you know some pure combo deck that be in the same tier as ad nauseam (tier 3 more or less), that be more stable, because i feel that sometimes the deck just dont want to work and you cant win.
Hey guys, I am trying to decide on what deck to build next. I like control and mid-range decks. I already own Grixis Shadow, Dredge, Affinity and UW Control. Can't really afford Jund or Abzan. Any suggestions?
Surprised no one pointed you towards Eldrazi and Taxes (or any variant of Death and Taxes). It's a very meta dependent deck, but if you like interactive magic and don't just like pressing the "nope, you don't get to do this" button, it's a very good deck to play. The primary weakness the deck has is usually card draw, but there are ways to shore it up. Thraben Inspector has been starting to gain popularity in the mono-white versions.
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I've been running a Mono White enchantment prison deck as my modern deck for almost a year now and the deck has gained value since I bought it. I've been thinking about selling the deck and getting myself a mono blue tron deck, since the deck's been getting cheaper, so i'd have another cool modern deck and have enough money to spare to get into standard, or just buy something cool.
My question is if this decks are of the same power level. My deck has served me well on my LGS, having mostly even matchups against decks like Jund, Affinity, RG Scapeshift, Ad Nauseam, Soul Sisters, Goblins, Gifts Storm and a few others. So what do you guys think, is trading this deck for a Mono Blue Tron worth it? U Tron seems to have a high skill ceiling, but that's not a problem. Now, I'll not be buying Chalices until they get a reprint, but I imagine that a playset of trinispheres would work well enough in the meantime.
Thanks and here's my deck list for my current Mono W Enchantment Prison deck:
I've been running a Mono White enchantment prison deck as my modern deck for almost a year now and the deck has gained value since I bought it. I've been thinking about selling the deck and getting myself a mono blue tron deck, since the deck's been getting cheaper, so i'd have another cool modern deck and have enough money to spare to get into standard, or just buy something cool.
My question is if this decks are of the same power level. My deck has served me well on my LGS, having mostly even matchups against decks like Jund, Affinity, RG Scapeshift, Ad Nauseam, Soul Sisters, Goblins, Gifts Storm and a few others. So what do you guys think, is trading this deck for a Mono Blue Tron worth it? U Tron seems to have a high skill ceiling, but that's not a problem. Now, I'll not be buying Chalices until they get a reprint, but I imagine that a playset of trinispheres would work well enough in the meantime.
Thanks and here's my deck list for my current Mono W Enchantment Prison deck:
The sideboard is a bit of a mess, that's because I've never felt that the main list needed much help on my LGS meta.
I'd say the decks are both of a similar power level. Both have the ability to run well and take down a couple round event. They both have some good matchups and then very very bad ones that are seemingly unwinnable. UTron takes a lot more skill to play well as all of your decisions will be relevant all the time whereas that may not always be the case with the Enchantment deck. For the most part they're going to be good against the same stuff too, but with the counter spells UTron plays you can get out of some sticky situations that you otherwise wouldn't be able to do. UTron has the upside of being able to somewhat turn into ETron or BG/RG/WG Tron down the line too. If you want a more interactive deck then I'd say go for it but don't expect to be winning any GP's with it soon.
I'm also going to move this to the "What Deck Should I Play?" thread. It helps keep the main page clean, and you are asking about decks after all. I'd also suggest reading the U Tron primer if you haven't already. There are also some good streamers who play the deck wit lots of video content out there to watch.
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Thanks for the answer!
Good to know that both decks are similar in power, and I don't expect to play anywhere other then in my LGS anyway. I was expecting U Tron to be more skill intensive, but that is absolutely fine. Good thing about about U Tron is that you can watch how it plays out agains just about any deck becaus of pierakor's channel.
And yeah, U Tron can more easily be transformed into some other modern (Or pauper) deck, while the enchantment deck can at most become a GW Enchantress, wich I think is a weaker deck anyway.
Hi guys! I play Ad Nauseam and love how safe i feel playing it, in the way that we can win instant speed, and that stay near 0 lives doesnt matter, we always can win. I love how we need to shape our hand in the way and i want to know, what deck you recommend to me that feels near to this, maybe some control deck with some combo or something like this. I paly esper control in the past, but feels so slow and doesnt like this sensation. Some thouhts? (i prefer tier 1/2 decks, but i will hear every recommendation).
Thanks!
I would recommend Storm and Amulet Titan.
Storm is a very similar deck, in that you simply sculpt your hand until you're ready to win. Your life total is irrelevant unless you're at 0, and what your opponent does is irrelevant unless there are answers on board. You play the same sort of game as you do with Ad Nauseam, draw cards and try to amass the correct cards, and then at some point you just flip a switch and go off. It's a lot more involved than Ad Nauseam's win condition, but it's not that bad. I feel like this is absolutely the correct deck for you.
Amulet is a weird deck where you have a lot of small interactions that come together to make it work. It's a deck where you have to shape your hand and try to figure out exactly how you want to win. Your main strategy involves abusing Amulet and Primeval Titan to try to kill your opponent with a ton of value. You try to pick up bounce lands in weird ways that get you all crazy interactions. It's the kind of deck that you should watch a youtube video on because I won't explain it well enough in a short post.
Control decks for you feel wrong to me. You want a deck that can win at a moment's notice. If there is a control deck you would like, UW Tron would be the best one. You basically play control until you drop a win condition and the game more or less ends. You can find out more by clicking the link to the primer I wrote.
I currently have 2 complete decks; Burn and Infect. I also had a Wilted Abzan deck, which used to be good about 2 years ago, but it's no longer relevant and now I want to use the lands from that deck (along with some other cards) to build Abzan Company.
Infect is not doing so well anymore (low tier 2 if that), and I seriously doubt Infect will ever come back to Tier 1, and will most likely fall back to tier 3.
Having proxied Abzan Company, I feel like the deck is much better in the overall meta. I'm thinking of selling my Infect deck (along with most of Wilted Abzan), and buying the remaining cards for Abzan Company.
Thoughts on if this is a good move?
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Not a direct answer but I can speak a little from experience. I have elves, saheeli cord, abzan coco, and knightfall, Kiki variants, etc built for modern. The problem with these decks is that they can become expensive to upkeep if you aren't acquiring the cards via standard because the combos are changing, the sticky threats are constantly being upgraded, the mana base is always seeing tweaks (i.e. Humans has upwards of 4 horizon canopies now).
I enjoy the abzan play style more because you generally feel less dismal as a match progresses compared to infect, but having to drop money for a card like linvala, keeper of silence as a sideboard card and then replace if they ever make a functional ability reprint with a lower cmc just freaking sucks.
Also issues with evolving combo pieces like how decoted druid climbed after vizier of remedies saw print, when Malira was already floating around in sideboards. They've very close, but vizier just has a stronger ability for combo now that infect, as you said, is less Prevalent.
If you're willing to deal with the upkeep and buying more than 75 because you'll need a full toolbox sideboard for various metas then go for it. Just realize that it's not an easy deck to netdeck, because your silverbullets are meta dependent.
That being said, I think the deck is poised to only grow stronger overtime. Infect needs something akin to probe or another strong cheap threat maybe? Not really sure what makes it super competitive again (I don't have infect, but the cmc of the deck is so low to the ground that I'm not sure what they can print that wouldn't ruin standard and boost the deck again for modern).
I currently have 2 complete decks; Burn and Infect. I also had a Wilted Abzan deck, which used to be good about 2 years ago, but it's no longer relevant and now I want to use the lands from that deck (along with some other cards) to build Abzan Company.
Infect is not doing so well anymore (low tier 2 if that), and I seriously doubt Infect will ever come back to Tier 1, and will most likely fall back to tier 3.
Having proxied Abzan Company, I feel like the deck is much better in the overall meta. I'm thinking of selling my Infect deck (along with most of Wilted Abzan), and buying the remaining cards for Abzan Company.
Thoughts on if this is a good move?
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No I am just a little biased, but I think you should buy the deck. It has been flexible and playable in every metagame, and more so than Infect (where pump spells will always be printed), creatures are always going to be printed that randomly improve it. Best example is the Druid-Vizier combo. I also hope by Abzan Company you intend to include Druids, since that is the way to go these days.
Not a direct answer but I can speak a little from experience. I have elves, saheeli cord, abzan coco, and knightfall, Kiki variants, etc built for modern. The problem with these decks is that they can become expensive to upkeep if you aren't acquiring the cards via standard because the combos are changing, the sticky threats are constantly being upgraded, the mana base is always seeing tweaks (i.e. Humans has upwards of 4 horizon canopies now).
I enjoy the abzan play style more because you generally feel less dismal as a match progresses compared to infect, but having to drop money for a card like linvala, keeper of silence as a sideboard card and then replace if they ever make a functional ability reprint with a lower cmc just freaking sucks.
Also issues with evolving combo pieces like how decoted druid climbed after vizier of remedies saw print, when Malira was already floating around in sideboards. They've very close, but vizier just has a stronger ability for combo now that infect, as you said, is less Prevalent.
If you're willing to deal with the upkeep and buying more than 75 because you'll need a full toolbox sideboard for various metas then go for it. Just realize that it's not an easy deck to netdeck, because your silverbullets are meta dependent.
That being said, I think the deck is poised to only grow stronger overtime. Infect needs something akin to probe or another strong cheap threat maybe? Not really sure what makes it super competitive again (I don't have infect, but the cmc of the deck is so low to the ground that I'm not sure what they can print that wouldn't ruin standard and boost the deck again for modern).
You've pretty much hit the nail on the head on my exact thoughts.
I'm aware that Abzan Company will need a large "maybe board" given how much the deck can be tweaked, upgraded, or adapted to different meta's. That's part of the reason I like the deck so much, compared to Infect which is on it's death bed with almost no other card choices to help it stay in Tier.
Infect desperately needs either a new 1 CMC creature, or an Unban on probe (which will never happen as it would break Storm)
Unless someone can convince me otherwise, I will most likely be buying Abzan Company in the coming days.
I'm running a naya burn without Eidolons for a while, but to me the deck is too linear. It's not an easy deck to pilot as some say, however once you learn to sequence the spells the deck turns out to be a little boring.
Now I'm looking to build a deck less linear, something with a better draw and interaction. I played some pauper with temur tron and felt great, some turns you draw 2 or more cards and wins out of nowhere. What your thoughts about tron this days? I have the urza's lands, the cheap artifacts and the Ugin. My budget to start the new deck is between $250-300 and I play only in MTGO, there is no LGS near where I live =/.
If you like Tron, then why not try Mono U Tron or UW Tron? They both seem like decent options for you, they're not too expensive and are the Modern equivalents of Tron decks that draw cards. The link to UW Tron's primer is in my signature.
I'm running a naya burn without Eidolons for a while, but to me the deck is too linear. It's not an easy deck to pilot as some say, however once you learn to sequence the spells the deck turns out to be a little boring.
Now I'm looking to build a deck less linear, something with a better draw and interaction. I played some pauper with temur tron and felt great, some turns you draw 2 or more cards and wins out of nowhere. What your thoughts about tron this days? I have the urza's lands, the cheap artifacts and the Ugin. My budget to start the new deck is between $250-300 and I play only in MTGO, there is no LGS near where I live =/.
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sorry if this is the wrong thread for this, but if I already have most of dredge minus maybe ~$150 worth of stuff (with the intention of picking up the remaining collective brutalities and a set of life from the loam for other purposes), would you finish the deck right now? is it well positioned and good right now?
as someone who's mostly played control and tempo decks, is it difficult to learn?
I need some help. Like, a lot of help. I love my current deck (Skred). I love it to pieces. It is my baby, and no one will ever tell me otherwise. But I cannot justify playing a deck that is no longer competitive. I consistently get crushed, and I feel like I can no longer compete at a reasonable level. On one hand, I want to play cards I like. I love Blood Moon, Sun Titan, Lingering Souls, and control decks in general (even though I am a garbage control pilot), I like MartyrProc and Sun & Moon, but I also want to be competitive. What should I play? Should I accept winning and just play a tiered deck? Do I follow my desire to be a real Modern prison player? HELP
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sorry if this is the wrong thread for this, but if I already have most of dredge minus maybe ~$150 worth of stuff (with the intention of picking up the remaining collective brutalities and a set of life from the loam for other purposes), would you finish the deck right now? is it well positioned and good right now?
as someone who's mostly played control and tempo decks, is it difficult to learn?
I don't think it's super hard to play above average. You can play this deck to most of its capabilities pretty easily - it's just remembering triggers and the timing of triggers. Most of the deck is honestly probably your way of putting the hurt on the grave hate in games 2 and 3 vs. their actual grave hate, whether it be Thoughtseize, Nature's Claim, Abrupt Decay, Ancient Grudge, or Collective Brutality.
I think it takes a little bit more to have an idea of how to play each matchup in Modern and when to switch roles. I guess you could say that about any deck, lol. Personally, I think that Dredge is potentially in a good place right now. I don't think that Titanshift and Tron are favorable matchups, but many other top played decks are. I would finish the deck yesterday if I was that close.
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Standard - Mono Red (6-2 and 5-3 in 2 McQ)
Draft - (I wish I had more time for limited...)
Commander - Norin the Wary, Grimgrin, Adun Oakenshield (taking forever to build) (dead format for me)
I need some help. Like, a lot of help. I love my current deck (Skred). I love it to pieces. It is my baby, and no one will ever tell me otherwise. But I cannot justify playing a deck that is no longer competitive. I consistently get crushed, and I feel like I can no longer compete at a reasonable level. On one hand, I want to play cards I like. I love Blood Moon, Sun Titan, Lingering Souls, and control decks in general (even though I am a garbage control pilot), I like MartyrProc and Sun & Moon, but I also want to be competitive. What should I play? Should I accept winning and just play a tiered deck? Do I follow my desire to be a real Modern prison player? HELP
Might be tough to hit all your targets at once, but a couple is reasonable:
Competitive deck + playing Prison = Lantern Whir
Blood Moon + Playing Prison = Sun and Moon
Lingering Souls + Playing Prison = BW 8Rack, BW Smallpox
Blood Moon + Prison + Lingering Souls + Don't mind a little jank = Mardu Control (just don't do the Bob + Emrakul thing)
How does martyr proc fit into the picture? Just play it at FNMs or within the playgroup if you really enjoy it.
If you're going for a large event and want to play Prison, I'd say Lantern Whir. "Chord of Calling" for artifacts in a deck based on artifacts which are hate cards is just... sick.
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I need some help. Like, a lot of help. I love my current deck (Skred). I love it to pieces. It is my baby, and no one will ever tell me otherwise. But I cannot justify playing a deck that is no longer competitive. I consistently get crushed, and I feel like I can no longer compete at a reasonable level. On one hand, I want to play cards I like. I love Blood Moon, Sun Titan, Lingering Souls, and control decks in general (even though I am a garbage control pilot), I like MartyrProc and Sun & Moon, but I also want to be competitive. What should I play? Should I accept winning and just play a tiered deck? Do I follow my desire to be a real Modern prison player? HELP
Might be tough to hit all your targets at once, but a couple is reasonable:
Competitive deck + playing Prison = Lantern Whir
Blood Moon + Playing Prison = Sun and Moon
Lingering Souls + Playing Prison = BW 8Rack, BW Smallpox
Blood Moon + Prison + Lingering Souls + Don't mind a little jank = Mardu Control (just don't do the Bob + Emrakul thing)
How does martyr proc fit into the picture? Just play it at FNMs or within the playgroup if you really enjoy it.
If you're going for a large event and want to play Prison, I'd say Lantern Whir. "Chord of Calling" for artifacts in a deck based on artifacts which are hate cards is just... sick.
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I'm moving from Standard to Modern and am looking for a suggestion. Black-White is my favorite color combination in the game and so far I own the backbone of many great BW Modern decks (Lili, Thoughtseize, Marsh Flats, Bloodghast)
I was wondering what the consensus was in what the most effective BW deck in the format is right now. Would you all say Smallpox, 8 Rack, or perhaps that new Zombies build thats been floating around?
I'm moving from Standard to Modern and am looking for a suggestion. Black-White is my favorite color combination in the game and so far I own the backbone of many great BW Modern decks (Lili, Thoughtseize, Marsh Flats, Bloodghast)
I was wondering what the consensus was in what the most effective BW deck in the format is right now. Would you all say Smallpox, 8 Rack, or perhaps that new Zombies build thats been floating around?
I have had poor experiences in testing with BW Planeswalker Pox. It just was too clunky and didn't seem that strong vs. the decks I was testing against. Even though I've rarely had an issue with beating BW Tokens, I would say that is the "best" BW deck right now. The problem is that if you play where Titanshift and Tron are, you'll have a tough time. They're very rough matchups for BW Tokens and in fact, most BW decks that I can think of.
Zombies is a deck that I know very little of, although I've heard some word from MTGO players. My feeling is that it would still fit into a similar category to other BW decks - losing to Titanshift and Tron.
*Sorry, BW Eldrazi and Taxes is probably the best BW deck right now. The mana is a little rough, but the power level is definitely there.
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Have you tried free win red/ pyroprison?
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Colors you like to play: colors don't really matter to me
Style you like to play (control, combo, aggro, midrange, tempo, ramp, rogue): rogue, love playing decks people never seen before and are full to play.
Level you want to play at, or aim to build up to (causal, fmn, ptq): fmn only
Grixis Death's Shadow, Jund, UW Tron, Jeskai Control, Storm, Counters Company, Eldrazi Tron, Affinity, Living End, Infect, Merfolk, Dredge, Ad Nauseam, Amulet, Bogles, Eldrazi Tron, Mono U Tron, Lantern, Mardu Pyromancer
not tier 3 (more like tier 1) but storm is a slower and more stable combo deck
https://www.mtggoldfish.com/archetype/modern-u-r-gifts-storm-32901#paper
other tier 2/3 decks that focus on combo:
https://www.mtggoldfish.com/archetype/modern-g-r-breach-40829#paper
http://mtgtop8.com/event?e=17351&d=307375&f=MO
Surprised no one pointed you towards Eldrazi and Taxes (or any variant of Death and Taxes). It's a very meta dependent deck, but if you like interactive magic and don't just like pressing the "nope, you don't get to do this" button, it's a very good deck to play. The primary weakness the deck has is usually card draw, but there are ways to shore it up. Thraben Inspector has been starting to gain popularity in the mono-white versions.
1. (Ravnica Allegiance): You can't keep a good esper control deck down... Or Wilderness Reclamation... or Gates...
2. (War of the Spark): Guys, I know what we need! We need a cycle of really idiotic flavor text victory cards! Jace's Triumph...
3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
My question is if this decks are of the same power level. My deck has served me well on my LGS, having mostly even matchups against decks like Jund, Affinity, RG Scapeshift, Ad Nauseam, Soul Sisters, Goblins, Gifts Storm and a few others. So what do you guys think, is trading this deck for a Mono Blue Tron worth it? U Tron seems to have a high skill ceiling, but that's not a problem. Now, I'll not be buying Chalices until they get a reprint, but I imagine that a playset of trinispheres would work well enough in the meantime.
Thanks and here's my deck list for my current Mono W Enchantment Prison deck:
4 Banishing Light
1 Endless Horizons
2 Ghost Quarter
4 Ghostly Prison
2 Heliod, God of the Sun
4 Leyline of Sanctity
2 Nevermore
4 New Benalia
2 Nykthos, Shrine to Nyx
16 Plains
4 Porphyry Nodes
1 Rest in Peace
4 Runed Halo
2 Sigil of the Empty Throne
2 Sphere of Safety
2 Suppression Field
4 Wrath of God
2 Aura of Silence
1 Aven Mindcensor
2 Curse of Exhaustion
2 Luminarch Ascension
2 Nevermore
1 Rest in Peace
2 Stony Silence
2 Suppression Field
The sideboard is a bit of a mess, that's because I've never felt that the main list needed much help on my LGS meta.
I'd say the decks are both of a similar power level. Both have the ability to run well and take down a couple round event. They both have some good matchups and then very very bad ones that are seemingly unwinnable. UTron takes a lot more skill to play well as all of your decisions will be relevant all the time whereas that may not always be the case with the Enchantment deck. For the most part they're going to be good against the same stuff too, but with the counter spells UTron plays you can get out of some sticky situations that you otherwise wouldn't be able to do. UTron has the upside of being able to somewhat turn into ETron or BG/RG/WG Tron down the line too. If you want a more interactive deck then I'd say go for it but don't expect to be winning any GP's with it soon.
I'm also going to move this to the "What Deck Should I Play?" thread. It helps keep the main page clean, and you are asking about decks after all. I'd also suggest reading the U Tron primer if you haven't already. There are also some good streamers who play the deck wit lots of video content out there to watch.
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Good to know that both decks are similar in power, and I don't expect to play anywhere other then in my LGS anyway. I was expecting U Tron to be more skill intensive, but that is absolutely fine. Good thing about about U Tron is that you can watch how it plays out agains just about any deck becaus of pierakor's channel.
And yeah, U Tron can more easily be transformed into some other modern (Or pauper) deck, while the enchantment deck can at most become a GW Enchantress, wich I think is a weaker deck anyway.
I would recommend Storm and Amulet Titan.
Storm is a very similar deck, in that you simply sculpt your hand until you're ready to win. Your life total is irrelevant unless you're at 0, and what your opponent does is irrelevant unless there are answers on board. You play the same sort of game as you do with Ad Nauseam, draw cards and try to amass the correct cards, and then at some point you just flip a switch and go off. It's a lot more involved than Ad Nauseam's win condition, but it's not that bad. I feel like this is absolutely the correct deck for you.
Amulet is a weird deck where you have a lot of small interactions that come together to make it work. It's a deck where you have to shape your hand and try to figure out exactly how you want to win. Your main strategy involves abusing Amulet and Primeval Titan to try to kill your opponent with a ton of value. You try to pick up bounce lands in weird ways that get you all crazy interactions. It's the kind of deck that you should watch a youtube video on because I won't explain it well enough in a short post.
Control decks for you feel wrong to me. You want a deck that can win at a moment's notice. If there is a control deck you would like, UW Tron would be the best one. You basically play control until you drop a win condition and the game more or less ends. You can find out more by clicking the link to the primer I wrote.
Grixis Death's Shadow, Jund, UW Tron, Jeskai Control, Storm, Counters Company, Eldrazi Tron, Affinity, Living End, Infect, Merfolk, Dredge, Ad Nauseam, Amulet, Bogles, Eldrazi Tron, Mono U Tron, Lantern, Mardu Pyromancer
I currently have 2 complete decks; Burn and Infect. I also had a Wilted Abzan deck, which used to be good about 2 years ago, but it's no longer relevant and now I want to use the lands from that deck (along with some other cards) to build Abzan Company.
Infect is not doing so well anymore (low tier 2 if that), and I seriously doubt Infect will ever come back to Tier 1, and will most likely fall back to tier 3.
Having proxied Abzan Company, I feel like the deck is much better in the overall meta. I'm thinking of selling my Infect deck (along with most of Wilted Abzan), and buying the remaining cards for Abzan Company.
Thoughts on if this is a good move?
Merged with the "What deck should I play" thread - Torpf
RWG Burn
GW Abzan Company
I enjoy the abzan play style more because you generally feel less dismal as a match progresses compared to infect, but having to drop money for a card like linvala, keeper of silence as a sideboard card and then replace if they ever make a functional ability reprint with a lower cmc just freaking sucks.
Also issues with evolving combo pieces like how decoted druid climbed after vizier of remedies saw print, when Malira was already floating around in sideboards. They've very close, but vizier just has a stronger ability for combo now that infect, as you said, is less Prevalent.
If you're willing to deal with the upkeep and buying more than 75 because you'll need a full toolbox sideboard for various metas then go for it. Just realize that it's not an easy deck to netdeck, because your silverbullets are meta dependent.
That being said, I think the deck is poised to only grow stronger overtime. Infect needs something akin to probe or another strong cheap threat maybe? Not really sure what makes it super competitive again (I don't have infect, but the cmc of the deck is so low to the ground that I'm not sure what they can print that wouldn't ruin standard and boost the deck again for modern).
MTGO/MTGA: Tyclone
My Primers ~ GWx Vizier Company ~ Knightfall ~ RG Eldrazi ~ Green's Sun's Zenith
More Brews ~ Modern Four Horsemen ~ Gitrog Dredge
You've pretty much hit the nail on the head on my exact thoughts.
I'm aware that Abzan Company will need a large "maybe board" given how much the deck can be tweaked, upgraded, or adapted to different meta's. That's part of the reason I like the deck so much, compared to Infect which is on it's death bed with almost no other card choices to help it stay in Tier.
Infect desperately needs either a new 1 CMC creature, or an Unban on probe (which will never happen as it would break Storm)
Unless someone can convince me otherwise, I will most likely be buying Abzan Company in the coming days.
RWG Burn
GW Abzan Company
I'm running a naya burn without Eidolons for a while, but to me the deck is too linear. It's not an easy deck to pilot as some say, however once you learn to sequence the spells the deck turns out to be a little boring.
Now I'm looking to build a deck less linear, something with a better draw and interaction. I played some pauper with temur tron and felt great, some turns you draw 2 or more cards and wins out of nowhere. What your thoughts about tron this days? I have the urza's lands, the cheap artifacts and the Ugin. My budget to start the new deck is between $250-300 and I play only in MTGO, there is no LGS near where I live =/.
Thanks!
Grixis Death's Shadow, Jund, UW Tron, Jeskai Control, Storm, Counters Company, Eldrazi Tron, Affinity, Living End, Infect, Merfolk, Dredge, Ad Nauseam, Amulet, Bogles, Eldrazi Tron, Mono U Tron, Lantern, Mardu Pyromancer
blue tron is in budget less the sideboard and chalice of the void
https://www.mtggoldfish.com/archetype/modern-mono-blue-tron-37003#paper
pucatrade
big receipts
alpha mox emerald
beta time walk
4 goyfs received
3 liliana of the veil
4 karn liberated
3 force of will
4 grove of the burnwillows
snapcaster mage
3 horizon canopy
2 full art damnation
as someone who's mostly played control and tempo decks, is it difficult to learn?
I don't think it's super hard to play above average. You can play this deck to most of its capabilities pretty easily - it's just remembering triggers and the timing of triggers. Most of the deck is honestly probably your way of putting the hurt on the grave hate in games 2 and 3 vs. their actual grave hate, whether it be Thoughtseize, Nature's Claim, Abrupt Decay, Ancient Grudge, or Collective Brutality.
I think it takes a little bit more to have an idea of how to play each matchup in Modern and when to switch roles. I guess you could say that about any deck, lol. Personally, I think that Dredge is potentially in a good place right now. I don't think that Titanshift and Tron are favorable matchups, but many other top played decks are. I would finish the deck yesterday if I was that close.
Premodern - Trix, RecSur, Enchantress, Reanimator, Elves https://www.facebook.com/groups/PremodernUSA/
Modern - Neobrand, Hogaak Vine, Elves
Standard - Mono Red (6-2 and 5-3 in 2 McQ)
Draft - (I wish I had more time for limited...)
Commander -
Norin the Wary, Grimgrin, Adun Oakenshield (taking forever to build)(dead format for me)Might be tough to hit all your targets at once, but a couple is reasonable:
Competitive deck + playing Prison = Lantern Whir
Blood Moon + Playing Prison = Sun and Moon
Lingering Souls + Playing Prison = BW 8Rack, BW Smallpox
Blood Moon + Prison + Lingering Souls + Don't mind a little jank = Mardu Control (just don't do the Bob + Emrakul thing)
How does martyr proc fit into the picture? Just play it at FNMs or within the playgroup if you really enjoy it.
If you're going for a large event and want to play Prison, I'd say Lantern Whir. "Chord of Calling" for artifacts in a deck based on artifacts which are hate cards is just... sick.
BGW Elves BGW|BW Tokens BW|WBR Sword&ShieldWBR|BUG DelverBUG|UWR Kiki UWR | UR Storm UR
Blitzkreig might interest you.
Its a blood moon deck, that can run pack rat to replace lingering souls.
http://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/the-game/modern/deck-creation-modern/601240-blitzkrieg-b-r-control-shock-and-awesome?page=62
pucatrade
big receipts
alpha mox emerald
beta time walk
4 goyfs received
3 liliana of the veil
4 karn liberated
3 force of will
4 grove of the burnwillows
snapcaster mage
3 horizon canopy
2 full art damnation
I'm moving from Standard to Modern and am looking for a suggestion. Black-White is my favorite color combination in the game and so far I own the backbone of many great BW Modern decks (Lili, Thoughtseize, Marsh Flats, Bloodghast)
I was wondering what the consensus was in what the most effective BW deck in the format is right now. Would you all say Smallpox, 8 Rack, or perhaps that new Zombies build thats been floating around?
I have had poor experiences in testing with BW Planeswalker Pox. It just was too clunky and didn't seem that strong vs. the decks I was testing against. Even though I've rarely had an issue with beating BW Tokens, I would say that is the "best" BW deck right now. The problem is that if you play where Titanshift and Tron are, you'll have a tough time. They're very rough matchups for BW Tokens and in fact, most BW decks that I can think of.
Zombies is a deck that I know very little of, although I've heard some word from MTGO players. My feeling is that it would still fit into a similar category to other BW decks - losing to Titanshift and Tron.
*Sorry, BW Eldrazi and Taxes is probably the best BW deck right now. The mana is a little rough, but the power level is definitely there.
Premodern - Trix, RecSur, Enchantress, Reanimator, Elves https://www.facebook.com/groups/PremodernUSA/
Modern - Neobrand, Hogaak Vine, Elves
Standard - Mono Red (6-2 and 5-3 in 2 McQ)
Draft - (I wish I had more time for limited...)
Commander -
Norin the Wary, Grimgrin, Adun Oakenshield (taking forever to build)(dead format for me)