I would try it in WUR Delver, but Cryptic just seems better in proactive decks because you can use it to force your guys through and it can't bring back a Geist of Saint Traft.
I would try it in WUR Delver, but Cryptic just seems better in proactive decks because you can use it to force your guys through and it can't bring back a Geist of Saint Traft.
Imagine how sick Ojutai's Command would be if "counter target creature spell" was just "counter target spell." I was kinda disappointed when I noticed it was only for creatures.
I would try it in WUR Delver, but Cryptic just seems better in proactive decks because you can use it to force your guys through and it can't bring back a Geist of Saint Traft.
Imagine how sick Ojutai's Command would be if "counter target creature spell" was just "counter target spell." I was kinda disappointed when I noticed it was only for creatures.
Imagine if it brought back a creature with power 2 or less and countered any spell. That would be amazing.
I think someone should look at Bant more period. Maybe I just missed the thread on it but it would seem to have a lot of tools.
There are several threads on different variants of it, but it has the big problem of its only good removal spells being Path to Exile and Bant Charm, both of which are bad against early plays.
I think someone should look at Bant more period. Maybe I just missed the thread on it but it would seem to have a lot of tools.
You would have Goyf, Voice, Snapcaster, Pridemage, and Scooze. Hierarch is a little underwhelming. But you wouldn't get Geist, Resto Angel, Brimaz, Clique, and other similar creatures.
I struggle to see a deck that isn't either running red for Bolt, black for TS/IoK, or just doing something so fast/unfair that those cards don't matter.
Yep.
While the comparison to Cryptic Command is obvious and understandable it is also kinda flawed and tiresome. Cryptic is pretty busted in the first place and always was. There is a very good reason why it sees play in all slower blue decks and is currently sitting at $60.
You are not comparing every creature to Tarmogoyf. That is a comparison that no new card will ever win too.
Imagine a new interesting green creature is printed and all you hear is "Not Tarmogoyf 0/10 would not play" LOL
Don't know if that would be a funny or a sad thing.
People already do use the "Dies to Doom Blade" argument way too often and even in the wrong context.
I would just like to find Recoil snuck onto the UB Command personally.
1UB
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Choose 2
- Return target permanent to its owners hand
- Scry 2
- All creatures get -1/-1
- Target player discards a card
So far Sidisi has my attention, but it helps that I really want Bblossom to be good. Exploit really helps that it's an ETB ability. There are some crazy scenarios where I could see her first tutor target being Restoration Angel. Blank a path and get a second tutor off (assuming you sac something inconsequential like a Faerie Rogue token).
I think someone should look at Bant more period. Maybe I just missed the thread on it but it would seem to have a lot of tools.
You would have Goyf, Voice, Snapcaster, Pridemage, and Scooze. Hierarch is a little underwhelming. But you wouldn't get Geist, Resto Angel, Brimaz, Clique, and other similar creatures.
I struggle to see a deck that isn't either running red for Bolt, black for TS/IoK, or just doing something so fast/unfair that those cards don't matter.
UW Tron can totally cast Ojutai's Command and it certainly can't cast Cryptic Command. Still I'm almost positive it's not what the deck wants. Returning a creature is one of the best modes and it will always be dead in UW Tron aside from fringe circumstances.
Plus at 4 cmc I'd almost rather cast Gifts Ungiven which the deck is built to abuse and cast as often as possible. Shame really. It's kind of a cool card that has nice art.
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Until i see otherwise, im going to assume they learned their lesson with the last set commands and these will be 4 cmc instant speed. Just a hunch, cycles that harken back they generally push a bit.
Yes, but I've been saying a lot that BR is the worst color pair in modern. Can't deal with enchantments, and reactive strategies aren't so great. I'd like to see it thrown a bone in an allied color set, hopefully with the command.
Yes, but I've been saying a lot that BR is the worst color pair in modern. Can't deal with enchantments, and reactive strategies aren't so great. I'd like to see it thrown a bone in an allied color set, hopefully with the command.
Well I wouldn't call it the worst color combo but it is certainly among them. Along with UB and GU.
One of the reason is just that I feel that Wizards is struggling giving them good and unique identities. Look at how well defined UW or BG is. If you play a deck with these colors you can already think what the deck will be about.
Compare that to UG. I mean what is UG about? Nobody can say and even Wizards is struggling in that regard.
I can't echo a pervious commenter's sentiments enough, that I hope the Gruul Command will be better than Gruul Charm. It was so underwhelming. I want GR to get some playable non-creature bombs! And please nothing like Revel of the Fallen God or anything that costs a million mana.....
There's a lot of evaluation that needs to go into Narset before she's considered playable, but I will say this off the bat:
An effective 7 starting loyalty is a LOT of starting loyalty. Ashiok protected itself nicely at 5 effective starting loyalty, and Narset has 2 more than that. 7 is also kind of a magic number for me here because it means that Rhino/Tas/AverageGoyf plus two Souls tokens can't kill her.
That said, we must also consider the fact that Narset has no meaningful effect on the board the turn you play her, and might not even affect the board until TWO turns after you play her (if you play her on turn 4).
+1 ability - seems fine to me. If you've drawn one card with a 7 loyalty PW you've probably caused enough damage.
-2 - seems deceptively powerful in a spell-heavy deck. Even something as benign as serum visions becomes value, and she is left with 4-loyalty.
Ultimate - a far cry from locking out of the game, but definitely annoying for some matches. Don't really have to use it if you're getting value from the first two.
Cons:
potentially poor/expensive cmc top deck
4cmc is gonna get you into all kinds of counterspells
"doesn't impact the board"
There's a lot of evaluation that needs to go into Narset before she's considered playable, but I will say this off the bat:
An effective 7 starting loyalty is a LOT of starting loyalty. Ashiok protected itself nicely at 5 effective starting loyalty, and Narset has 2 more than that. 7 is also kind of a magic number for me here because it means that Rhino/Tas/AverageGoyf plus two Souls tokens can't kill her.
That said, we must also consider the fact that Narset has no meaningful effect on the board the turn you play her, and might not even affect the board until TWO turns after you play her (if you play her on turn 4).
She is not an ideal turn 4 play, but I think turn 4 for most UW control decks is saved for a wrath/command.
Her +1 is solid (wish it gave the ability to put on bottom if it was a land or creature).
Her -2 is extremely strong in decks that are running Cryptic Command, wraths and some of the best spot removal in the game (Path, Bolt, Helix)
She is solid and definitely deserves some testing.
Costing four does help in Modern, especially with six loyalty to start, but she doesn't have any way
of protecting herself. Narset's negative is rather iffy to me, as I don't find myself casting anything really worth rebounding during my turn. She is most at home in pure UWR and Esper control builds as they would normally be running few creatures.
The ultimate is the stereotypical "win more."
Not the best, but certainly not the worst, which is a lot coming from WotC.
My first thought was that the first effect is similar to Delver, so they would likely be good in the same deck, but that may not be the case. Delver decks have a low-land count, and Delver doesn't flip on revealing Narset. I'd love to try her out in UWR build, Midrange or Control. Unfortunately Rebound doesn't play well with X spells (Sphinx's Revelation) and Snapcaster Mage.
I'm just trying to analyze this from all angles. My my initial reaction was "OMG UW PLANESWALKER! 6 LOYALTY!!!". Just have to take a deep breath and think about this one.
I think Narset will easily replace all UWR lists running cards like Ajani Vengeant, and may even cut down on the Restoration Angels.
Being able to lock out an opponent via doubling your burn spells/wrath spells, along with potentially locking your opponent out of the game only 4 turns after she lands is a great viable card that Modern control decks have been longing for.
I believe she is a new staple for Modern, she won't replace cryptic command by any stretch, but you want two copies of her at pre-release for your Modern brews.
Narset is great. Both of the first 2 abilities are CA and leave her out of Bolt range (!!!). The first one is comparable to Domri's (i.e. just build your deck around it and it'll pay off). The second is like Chandra, the Firebrand's. What worries me is that she can't get rid of opposing creatures by herself, unlike Liliana/Ajani Vengeant/JTMS, but nevertheless I think she's powerful and will see play.
Scaleguard Sentinels is smaller than Goyf LOL. By itself it's worse than Kalonian Tusker. With a Dragon it hits the magical 4 toughness, but the problem is getting a Dragon in the first place.
With the current selection of Dragons, Dragonlord's Servant sucks. Could be better if there were cheaper Dragons, but keep in mind that unless you're casting 2+ Dragons in one turn, it's basically a mana dork. Signets and Talismans cost the same and die to less removal.
Foe-Razer Regent is too expensive and has less utility than Primeval Titan.
Gudul Lurker = Triton Shorestalker. Megamorph makes it somewhat better. Maybe there's some deck out there that wants 8 unblockable blue 1-drops, but I'm not sure what it is. Something like Bogle/Infect/Heroic/Nivmagus (i.e. throw all your boosts on one guy), perhaps?
I would try it in WUR Delver, but Cryptic just seems better in proactive decks because you can use it to force your guys through and it can't bring back a Geist of Saint Traft.
Storm Crow is strictly worse than Seacoast Drake.
Imagine if it brought back a creature with power 2 or less and countered any spell. That would be amazing.
Storm Crow is strictly worse than Seacoast Drake.
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There are several threads on different variants of it, but it has the big problem of its only good removal spells being Path to Exile and Bant Charm, both of which are bad against early plays.
Storm Crow is strictly worse than Seacoast Drake.
You would have Goyf, Voice, Snapcaster, Pridemage, and Scooze. Hierarch is a little underwhelming. But you wouldn't get Geist, Resto Angel, Brimaz, Clique, and other similar creatures.
I struggle to see a deck that isn't either running red for Bolt, black for TS/IoK, or just doing something so fast/unfair that those cards don't matter.
My Modern decks:
B/R/G Living End G/R/B
G/R Tron R/G
U/W/G/R Gargageddon R/G/W/U
R/W/G Naya Burn G/W/R
Don't know if that would be a funny or a sad thing.
People already do use the "Dies to Doom Blade" argument way too often and even in the wrong context.
1UB
Instant
Choose 2
- Return target permanent to its owners hand
- Scry 2
- All creatures get -1/-1
- Target player discards a card
So far Sidisi has my attention, but it helps that I really want Bblossom to be good. Exploit really helps that it's an ETB ability. There are some crazy scenarios where I could see her first tutor target being Restoration Angel. Blank a path and get a second tutor off (assuming you sac something inconsequential like a Faerie Rogue token).
Standard: lol no
Modern: BG/x, UR/x, Burn, Merfolk, Zoo, Storm
Legacy: Shardless BUG, Delver (BUG, RUG, Grixis), Landstill, Depths Combo, Merfolk
Vintage: Dark Times, BUG Fish, Merfolk
EDH: Teysa, Orzhov Scion / Krenko, Mob Boss / Stonebrow, Krosan Hero
Plus at 4 cmc I'd almost rather cast Gifts Ungiven which the deck is built to abuse and cast as often as possible. Shame really. It's kind of a cool card that has nice art.
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UWUW TronUW
Legacy:
WDeath N TaxesW
CEldrazi C
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Vintage
WWhite Trash
Well I wouldn't call it the worst color combo but it is certainly among them. Along with UB and GU.
One of the reason is just that I feel that Wizards is struggling giving them good and unique identities. Look at how well defined UW or BG is. If you play a deck with these colors you can already think what the deck will be about.
Compare that to UG. I mean what is UG about? Nobody can say and even Wizards is struggling in that regard.
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An effective 7 starting loyalty is a LOT of starting loyalty. Ashiok protected itself nicely at 5 effective starting loyalty, and Narset has 2 more than that. 7 is also kind of a magic number for me here because it means that Rhino/Tas/AverageGoyf plus two Souls tokens can't kill her.
That said, we must also consider the fact that Narset has no meaningful effect on the board the turn you play her, and might not even affect the board until TWO turns after you play her (if you play her on turn 4).
+1 ability - seems fine to me. If you've drawn one card with a 7 loyalty PW you've probably caused enough damage.
-2 - seems deceptively powerful in a spell-heavy deck. Even something as benign as serum visions becomes value, and she is left with 4-loyalty.
Ultimate - a far cry from locking out of the game, but definitely annoying for some matches. Don't really have to use it if you're getting value from the first two.
Cons:
potentially poor/expensive cmc top deck
4cmc is gonna get you into all kinds of counterspells
"doesn't impact the board"
She is not an ideal turn 4 play, but I think turn 4 for most UW control decks is saved for a wrath/command.
Her +1 is solid (wish it gave the ability to put on bottom if it was a land or creature).
Her -2 is extremely strong in decks that are running Cryptic Command, wraths and some of the best spot removal in the game (Path, Bolt, Helix)
She is solid and definitely deserves some testing.
Costing four does help in Modern, especially with six loyalty to start, but she doesn't have any way
of protecting herself. Narset's negative is rather iffy to me, as I don't find myself casting anything really worth rebounding during my turn. She is most at home in pure UWR and Esper control builds as they would normally be running few creatures.
The ultimate is the stereotypical "win more."
Not the best, but certainly not the worst, which is a lot coming from WotC.
I'm just trying to analyze this from all angles. My my initial reaction was "OMG UW PLANESWALKER! 6 LOYALTY!!!". Just have to take a deep breath and think about this one.
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Being able to lock out an opponent via doubling your burn spells/wrath spells, along with potentially locking your opponent out of the game only 4 turns after she lands is a great viable card that Modern control decks have been longing for.
I believe she is a new staple for Modern, she won't replace cryptic command by any stretch, but you want two copies of her at pre-release for your Modern brews.
Scaleguard Sentinels is smaller than Goyf LOL. By itself it's worse than Kalonian Tusker. With a Dragon it hits the magical 4 toughness, but the problem is getting a Dragon in the first place.
With the current selection of Dragons, Dragonlord's Servant sucks. Could be better if there were cheaper Dragons, but keep in mind that unless you're casting 2+ Dragons in one turn, it's basically a mana dork. Signets and Talismans cost the same and die to less removal.
Foe-Razer Regent is too expensive and has less utility than Primeval Titan.
Aven Sunstriker = Skyhunter Skirmisher. Still unplayable.
Gudul Lurker = Triton Shorestalker. Megamorph makes it somewhat better. Maybe there's some deck out there that wants 8 unblockable blue 1-drops, but I'm not sure what it is. Something like Bogle/Infect/Heroic/Nivmagus (i.e. throw all your boosts on one guy), perhaps?
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