There goes the deck that I planned on playing for the next few months.
People at my LGS are not on this train yet, but I told a few closer friends that if they want to win, this is the deck to play.
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Standard - Mono Red (6-2 and 5-3 in 2 McQ)
Draft - (I wish I had more time for limited...)
Commander - Norin the Wary, Grimgrin, Adun Oakenshield (taking forever to build) (dead format for me)
There goes the deck that I planned on playing for the next few months.
a) We need to wait until at least day 2 to start generating the ban mania. It's just too early.
b) Amulet survived a ban announcement with much more buzz, hype, and scrutiny around it. That strongly suggests most other decks can too, especially given he deck's underwhelming performance last week: there just aren't a lot of people piloting it.
It is definitely too early to talk about it, but you know what happens when the best players in the room play the same deck? If you play the same deck that they are playing, regardless of anything else, you have to have some fear. Or else you're very naïve, to put it very mildly.
I definitely hope nothing happens, but in my mind and heart, I know there's a small chance of that happening unless good players stop playing this deck. Everyone who said that this deck is fine right now will come on here and claim about how broken they "knew" it was all along.
You know what stood out to me the most in Jason Chung's Twitter report? He lost to Jund. He must have drawn pretty poorly, at least 2 mulligans are guaranteed, and his opponent drew well or had some odd sideboard card that no one else plays. The 5 times I've played against Jund, it has been so easy to 2-0 them. I haven't done this well against Jund with any other deck that I've ever played, unless you count 2-0 vs. Jund lifetime with GR Tron.
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Standard - Mono Red (6-2 and 5-3 in 2 McQ)
Draft - (I wish I had more time for limited...)
Commander - Norin the Wary, Grimgrin, Adun Oakenshield (taking forever to build) (dead format for me)
It is definitely too early to talk about it, but you know what happens when the best players in the room play the same deck? If you play the same deck that they are playing, regardless of anything else, you have to have some fear. Or else you're very naïve, to put it very mildly.
I definitely hope nothing happens, but in my mind and heart, I know there's a small chance of that happening unless good players stop playing this deck. Everyone who said that this deck is fine right now will come on here and claim about how broken they "knew" it was all along.
You know what stood out to me the most in Jason Chung's Twitter report? He lost to Jund. He must have drawn pretty poorly, at least 2 mulligans are guaranteed, and his opponent drew well or had some odd sideboard card that no one else plays. The 5 times I've played against Jund, it has been so easy to 2-0 them. I haven't done this well against Jund with any other deck that I've ever played, unless you count 2-0 vs. Jund lifetime with GR Tron.
Maybe his opponent had Leyline of the Void with discard backup in games 2 and 3.
It is definitely too early to talk about it, but you know what happens when the best players in the room play the same deck? If you play the same deck that they are playing, regardless of anything else, you have to have some fear. Or else you're very naïve, to put it very mildly.
I definitely hope nothing happens, but in my mind and heart, I know there's a small chance of that happening unless good players stop playing this deck. Everyone who said that this deck is fine right now will come on here and claim about how broken they "knew" it was all along.
You know what stood out to me the most in Jason Chung's Twitter report? He lost to Jund. He must have drawn pretty poorly, at least 2 mulligans are guaranteed, and his opponent drew well or had some odd sideboard card that no one else plays. The 5 times I've played against Jund, it has been so easy to 2-0 them. I haven't done this well against Jund with any other deck that I've ever played, unless you count 2-0 vs. Jund lifetime with GR Tron.
Maybe his opponent had Leyline of the Void with discard backup in games 2 and 3.
Thoughtseize his Through the Breach and Surgical Extraction it? Or he draws no Through the Breach from the top or no lands. Nobody plays Leyline of the Void and only Lantern plays Surgical Extraction. Like I said, it would have to be a real corner case. If it's one thing I've learned in Magic is sometimes your opponent has every single answer to every single thing you could possibly do. It happens very rarely and when it does, you can either get salty or tip your hat off to them.
I haven't been playing much recently, so I don't have a strong opinion on the next B&R announcement. But can we please ban "Grishoalbrand" as a deck name? Ugh.
I hate the name too. Look in my signature - I use Griselbanned II as an ode to the name that Todd Anderson gave to the first one when he piloted Grixis Reanimator to 9-0 at a Grand Prix. I have a lot of favorite cards in Magic, as I've played for a long time, but if Griselbrand wins me money and prizes, he's going to go way past my Top 10.
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Standard - Mono Red (6-2 and 5-3 in 2 McQ)
Draft - (I wish I had more time for limited...)
Commander - Norin the Wary, Grimgrin, Adun Oakenshield (taking forever to build) (dead format for me)
That's not entirely true. Gerry Thompson was in fact a supporter of running Leyline in Jund since all the Grixis decks are so reliant on Snapcaster and their delve creatures and Grixis has no way to destroy enchantments.
Obviously it's great against any graveyard deck too.
I can't see him running the full 4 in the mainboard. If he does do this, how does the deck shut down Through the Breach? I ask because I know that Jund Midrange is a 50/50 deck that must have the most versatile answers for the current metagame, as no game is a cakewalk for them and every single answer is needed. I couldn't possibly see wasting slots with multiple Leyline of the Void. People have come to me for sideboarding advise, which surprises me because I mostly only know what to side to keep my Combo deck running smoothly through hate. A Jund player, a Merfolk player, a Junk Liege player, and a Grixis Control player at my store have all asked me for sideboarding advise and I've found it incredibly tough because you can't side something for 50% of the decks in the current meta. That's what I'm seeing. If I'm wrong, I'm wrong, but that's what I saw when I looked through their sideboard. It was more like me advising them to take out "this" and hope to dodge Infect or take out this and dodge so and so...
EDIT> I see Nihil Spellbomb, which is easier to play around than Leyline of the Void, which basically requires a Nature's Claim or drawing Through the Breach and a creature.
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Standard - Mono Red (6-2 and 5-3 in 2 McQ)
Draft - (I wish I had more time for limited...)
Commander - Norin the Wary, Grimgrin, Adun Oakenshield (taking forever to build) (dead format for me)
Since everyone wanted to hear from me, here I am, for a moment. Been playing a lot lately and I feel there is nothing wrong with the format at the moment. Even control in some form is being played (Grixis). I dont expect any unbans of any cards or combos that can slide into T1 and possibility T2 decks. Of course we all know there are a number of cards Wotc and AF has said they wont bring into Modern, I dont understand why people continue to beat a dead horse about them.
Yes I am not happy about piledriver or messenger coming into the format, but I am only one person. Wotc is shaping the format for the largest number of players. In short there is something for just about everyone in the format.
I haven't been playing much recently, so I don't have a strong opinion on the next B&R announcement. But can we please ban "Grishoalbrand" as a deck name? Ugh.
I haven't been playing much recently, so I don't have a strong opinion on the next B&R announcement. But can we please ban "Grishoalbrand" as a deck name? Ugh.
I played against a Griselshoal deck today at my LGS. And even if I had Snare, Dispel and Cliqued his TTB away, along with 2 Goryo's Vengeance, I've lost. That deck is ridiculously strong.
Again, I'm not talking about bans, but that deck is well resilient against counters and extra resilient against discard stuff, it's definitely scary and I really hope it won't be played much more by the people, or the ban will come, in my opinion.
Thank you for sharing your experience. The more people play against this deck, the more people will see how powerful this deck is. The best way in my opinion to beat this deck is to play quick Aggro, but nobody wants to play that right now. If you can get a player low enough on life where they can't activate Griselbrand and they blank on 1 activation, you probably win. In my short experience, this deck thrives on slow decks. It gives them time to build up and shape a hand where even tapping B to play Tasigur is a death sentence. Also the SB has 3 Pact of Negation and 1 Boseiju, Who Shelters All to build up to if their opponent is playing nothing.
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Standard - Mono Red (6-2 and 5-3 in 2 McQ)
Draft - (I wish I had more time for limited...)
Commander - Norin the Wary, Grimgrin, Adun Oakenshield (taking forever to build) (dead format for me)
"Griselshoal so good"
"Griselshoal so oppressive with turn 2 wins"
"Griselshoal ban-worthy"
"Griselshoal apparently dominating GP Singapore"
GP Singapore Top 8:
1 Temur Delver
1 Temur Twin
3 BG/x Midrange(2 Jund, 1 Abzan)
2 Affinity
1 4C Company
GP Singapore Top 32:
4 UR Twin
4 Jund
3 Affinity
2 Amulet Bloom
2 Grishoalbrand
1 Infect
1 Grixis Delver
1 Burn
1 GW Hatebears
1 Abzan Liege
1 Temur Twin
1 UW Control
1 Merfolk
1 Jeskai Midrange
Yeah whatever. Just another over-hyped deck that cannot mess with the big guys.
That's by the way a whopping 17 different decks in the Top 32.
Next banlist announcement will be: No changes
Oh well, time to unban Dread Return I guess. Clearly the format can handle a deck than wins on turn 2 or 3, sometimes without involving the graveyard at all (turn 3 double SSG/Ritual into Breach). Dredge is obviously the inferior deck since it never wins before turn 3 (even then, some of the "wins" are merely locks and can be wiggled out of) and literally loses without the graveyard.
If you think Grishoalbrand is OK, you can't say that DR deserves to stay banned without sounding like a hypocrite.
Oh well, time to unban Dread Return I guess. Clearly the format can handle a deck than wins on turn 2 or 3, sometimes without involving the graveyard at all (turn 3 double SSG/Ritual into Breach). Dredge is obviously the inferior deck since it never wins before turn 3 (even then, some of the "wins" are merely locks and can be wiggled out of) and literally loses without the graveyard.
If you think Grishoalbrand is OK, you can't say that DR deserves to stay banned without sounding like a hypocrite.
allowing a deck that wins pre turn 4 consistently enough just because it has a low meta game share and has a weakness to a couple top tier decks is a poor excuse for a diverse meta game....this is why everyone is playing these snappy goyf decks...because its either beat em or join em.
bloom/griselshoal are broken and need to be fixed. weather or not they take up tier 1 slots or not. its either that or we let modern get more degenerate and boring.
I stand by what I say irregardless of what the gps results are putting up because for me its not when a deck takes up 20 % plus meta game share. its when an accumulated amount of decks take up 20% plus meta game share that are difficult to interact with and can win pre turn 4...
Seriously, griselbrand shoal is the new witch? I can't wait for people to figure out cheeri0s is a thing so people can start crying for something truly annoying to be banned.
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Lol I played cheeri0s, the deck is horrendously inconsistent because you have ~20 dead cards (equipments) that do nothing without one of your engines (Paladin/Mentor/MR). In contrast Grishoalbrand has 0 dead cards; not even Nourishing Shoal is dead because you can actually use it before comboing off (unlike Fury of the Horde in the old version). 4-for-1ing Burn before they can even cast Skullcrack is sick.
I honestly don't see the Griselbrand deck lasting more than 2 ban updates (1 ban update to "wait and see", then banned on the next) barring some VERY unlikely meta shifts. Like, if Lantern Control suddenly becomes tier 1, then Grishoalbrand could be allowed to exist. There's no other way they can justify Dread Return staying on the banned list when there's a deck than wins just as fast and can bypass grave hate, or banning Seething Song when Storm had worse T2/3 kill rates AND GP T8/16 finishes than Grishoalbrand.
"Griselshoal so good"
"Griselshoal so oppressive with turn 2 wins"
"Griselshoal ban-worthy"
"Griselshoal apparently dominating GP Singapore"
GP Singapore Top 8:
1 Temur Delver
1 Temur Twin
3 BG/x Midrange(2 Jund, 1 Abzan)
2 Affinity
1 4C Company
GP Singapore Top 32:
4 UR Twin
4 Jund
3 Affinity
2 Amulet Bloom
2 Grishoalbrand
1 Infect
1 Grixis Delver
1 Burn
1 GW Hatebears
1 Abzan Liege
1 Temur Twin
1 UW Control
1 Merfolk
1 Jeskai Midrange
Yeah whatever. Just another over-hyped deck that cannot mess with the big guys.
That's by the way a whopping 17 different decks in the Top 32.
Next banlist announcement will be: No changes
The problem here is that similar arguments can be made for Storm. As I've pointed out, Storm managed a grand total of one Top 8 in all of the Grand Prix and Pro Tours that took place between Return to Ravnica and Gatecrash, a much lower amount than decks like Scapeshift were getting. That didn't stop them from deciding that made it "top tier" enough to ban.
Which is why I still think the turn 4 rule is a bad idea, and decks should be banned on dominance rather than simply being good but ticking off an arbitrary criteria that applies to no other format in existence. But I've been trying to make that argument for a while now...
I honestly don't see the Griselbrand deck lasting more than 2 ban updates (1 ban update to "wait and see", then banned on the next) barring some VERY unlikely meta shifts. Like, if Lantern Control suddenly becomes tier 1, then Grishoalbrand could be allowed to exist. There's no other way they can justify Dread Return staying on the banned list when there's a deck than wins just as fast and can bypass grave hate, or banning Seething Song when Storm had worse T2/3 kill rates AND GP T8/16 finishes than Grishoalbrand.
My only concern with this argument is that no one is really playing the deck on MTGO or in paper, at least outside of these GPs. It's possible players are afraid of piloting it because they are worried about a ban, but there are quite a few on Amulet and they don't seem deterred. So that doesn't seem like a plausible mechanism. Another option is that people can't acquire the cards to play the deck, which is certainly possible, but I haven't seen this happen for longer than 1 week in any Modern metagame snapshot. Even in the first weeks of Ascendancy Storm, it only took about 7 days for people to get their supply-capped Wishes and start playing the deck fully. Maybe the deck hasn't caught on yet? I guess that's possible, but I feel like there's been enough hype around it in the last 2-3 weeks that it's unlikely. Then again, this is the likeliest of the explanations for why the deck isn't seeing widespread play, so I guess we'll have to give it more time to wait and see.
Of course, one other explanation is that the deck isn't as broken as people think, which means players aren't either piloting it or taking it to the T8/T16 of events on any regular basis. But to decide if this is at play or if it's just underappreciation, we need more time.
serious question. do people whine this much about legacy? or are the legacy players just most mature? any non fow deck in legacy can die instantly on t2 and they never cry about bans. they want unbans if anything and modern could uae the same
maybe its lots of standard players arent used to this kind of magic asking for every deck to get banned?
serious question. do people whine this much about legacy? or are the legacy players just most mature? any non fow deck in legacy can die instantly on t2 and they never cry about bans. they want unbans if anything and modern could uae the same
maybe its lots of standard players arent used to this kind of magic asking for every deck to get banned?
Ahm people whine all the time about Brainstorm, it's format-warping power and about blue in general and Dig Through Time has joined the club because it became another blue Legacy staple.
Take a look at the Legacy thread if you have some time.
Also Legacy has much less players than Modern which is also a factor for why you hear less from the Legacy side of things.
serious question. do people whine this much about legacy? or are the legacy players just most mature? any non fow deck in legacy can die instantly on t2 and they never cry about bans. they want unbans if anything and modern could uae the same
maybe its lots of standard players arent used to this kind of magic asking for every deck to get banned?
The real problem is that Wizards promised more than they can deliver. They promised an affordable eternal format that bans anything that wins consistently before turn four. The problem is that their were a lot of way to win before turn 4 in this format it is just taking years to find them all. Then they say they aren't testing for the format. They make cards that look good for standard, Dig through time and treasure cruise, but don't figure out if they are good in modern so they need to ban it. Nobody could have looked at Griselbrand and Shoal years ago and seen they would be a problem now. IF they want to stop this they need to test for modern. Without that testing these bans will need to continue to happen. It's not whining, though I don't think Wizards reads these boards, it is a way for people to voice their discomfort with the state of the format Wizards is pushing down our throat.
"Griselshoal so good"
"Griselshoal so oppressive with turn 2 wins"
"Griselshoal ban-worthy"
"Griselshoal apparently dominating GP Singapore"
GP Singapore Top 8:
1 Temur Delver
1 Temur Twin
3 BG/x Midrange(2 Jund, 1 Abzan)
2 Affinity
1 4C Company
GP Singapore Top 32:
4 UR Twin
4 Jund
3 Affinity
2 Amulet Bloom
2 Grishoalbrand
1 Infect
1 Grixis Delver
1 Burn
1 GW Hatebears
1 Abzan Liege
1 Temur Twin
1 UW Control
1 Merfolk
1 Jeskai Midrange
Yeah whatever. Just another over-hyped deck that cannot mess with the big guys.
That's by the way a whopping 17 different decks in the Top 32.
Next banlist announcement will be: No changes
The problem here is that similar arguments can be made for Storm. As I've pointed out, Storm managed a grand total of one Top 8 in all of the Grand Prix and Pro Tours that took place between Return to Ravnica and Gatecrash, a much lower amount than decks like Scapeshift were getting. That didn't stop them from deciding that made it "top tier" enough to ban.
Which is why I still think the turn 4 rule is a bad idea, and decks should be banned on dominance rather than simply being good but ticking off an arbitrary criteria that applies to no other format in existence. But I've been trying to make that argument for a while now...
It's not as consistent as storm id argue by a large margin, isn't as resilient as amulet, and really isn't that hard to disrupt. It's much less a problem. The turn 4 rule is a good idea, but I think we've already discussed that at length.
People at my LGS are not on this train yet, but I told a few closer friends that if they want to win, this is the deck to play.
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Modern - Neobrand, Hogaak Vine, Elves
Standard - Mono Red (6-2 and 5-3 in 2 McQ)
Draft - (I wish I had more time for limited...)
Commander -
Norin the Wary, Grimgrin, Adun Oakenshield (taking forever to build)(dead format for me)a) We need to wait until at least day 2 to start generating the ban mania. It's just too early.
b) Amulet survived a ban announcement with much more buzz, hype, and scrutiny around it. That strongly suggests most other decks can too, especially given he deck's underwhelming performance last week: there just aren't a lot of people piloting it.
I definitely hope nothing happens, but in my mind and heart, I know there's a small chance of that happening unless good players stop playing this deck. Everyone who said that this deck is fine right now will come on here and claim about how broken they "knew" it was all along.
You know what stood out to me the most in Jason Chung's Twitter report? He lost to Jund. He must have drawn pretty poorly, at least 2 mulligans are guaranteed, and his opponent drew well or had some odd sideboard card that no one else plays. The 5 times I've played against Jund, it has been so easy to 2-0 them. I haven't done this well against Jund with any other deck that I've ever played, unless you count 2-0 vs. Jund lifetime with GR Tron.
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Modern - Neobrand, Hogaak Vine, Elves
Standard - Mono Red (6-2 and 5-3 in 2 McQ)
Draft - (I wish I had more time for limited...)
Commander -
Norin the Wary, Grimgrin, Adun Oakenshield (taking forever to build)(dead format for me)Maybe his opponent had Leyline of the Void with discard backup in games 2 and 3.
Storm Crow is strictly worse than Seacoast Drake.
Thoughtseize his Through the Breach and Surgical Extraction it? Or he draws no Through the Breach from the top or no lands. Nobody plays Leyline of the Void and only Lantern plays Surgical Extraction. Like I said, it would have to be a real corner case. If it's one thing I've learned in Magic is sometimes your opponent has every single answer to every single thing you could possibly do. It happens very rarely and when it does, you can either get salty or tip your hat off to them.
I hate the name too. Look in my signature - I use Griselbanned II as an ode to the name that Todd Anderson gave to the first one when he piloted Grixis Reanimator to 9-0 at a Grand Prix. I have a lot of favorite cards in Magic, as I've played for a long time, but if Griselbrand wins me money and prizes, he's going to go way past my Top 10.
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Modern - Neobrand, Hogaak Vine, Elves
Standard - Mono Red (6-2 and 5-3 in 2 McQ)
Draft - (I wish I had more time for limited...)
Commander -
Norin the Wary, Grimgrin, Adun Oakenshield (taking forever to build)(dead format for me)That's not entirely true. Gerry Thompson was in fact a supporter of running Leyline in Jund since all the Grixis decks are so reliant on Snapcaster and their delve creatures and Grixis has no way to destroy enchantments.
Obviously it's great against any graveyard deck too.
I can't see him running the full 4 in the mainboard. If he does do this, how does the deck shut down Through the Breach? I ask because I know that Jund Midrange is a 50/50 deck that must have the most versatile answers for the current metagame, as no game is a cakewalk for them and every single answer is needed. I couldn't possibly see wasting slots with multiple Leyline of the Void. People have come to me for sideboarding advise, which surprises me because I mostly only know what to side to keep my Combo deck running smoothly through hate. A Jund player, a Merfolk player, a Junk Liege player, and a Grixis Control player at my store have all asked me for sideboarding advise and I've found it incredibly tough because you can't side something for 50% of the decks in the current meta. That's what I'm seeing. If I'm wrong, I'm wrong, but that's what I saw when I looked through their sideboard. It was more like me advising them to take out "this" and hope to dodge Infect or take out this and dodge so and so...
EDIT> I see Nihil Spellbomb, which is easier to play around than Leyline of the Void, which basically requires a Nature's Claim or drawing Through the Breach and a creature.
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Standard - Mono Red (6-2 and 5-3 in 2 McQ)
Draft - (I wish I had more time for limited...)
Commander -
Norin the Wary, Grimgrin, Adun Oakenshield (taking forever to build)(dead format for me)Yes I am not happy about piledriver or messenger coming into the format, but I am only one person. Wotc is shaping the format for the largest number of players. In short there is something for just about everyone in the format.
May you top deck what you need. Later!
It should be called nourishing grisel instead.
Standard: lol no
Modern: BG/x, UR/x, Burn, Merfolk, Zoo, Storm
Legacy: Shardless BUG, Delver (BUG, RUG, Grixis), Landstill, Depths Combo, Merfolk
Vintage: Dark Times, BUG Fish, Merfolk
EDH: Teysa, Orzhov Scion / Krenko, Mob Boss / Stonebrow, Krosan Hero
Thank you for sharing your experience. The more people play against this deck, the more people will see how powerful this deck is. The best way in my opinion to beat this deck is to play quick Aggro, but nobody wants to play that right now. If you can get a player low enough on life where they can't activate Griselbrand and they blank on 1 activation, you probably win. In my short experience, this deck thrives on slow decks. It gives them time to build up and shape a hand where even tapping B to play Tasigur is a death sentence. Also the SB has 3 Pact of Negation and 1 Boseiju, Who Shelters All to build up to if their opponent is playing nothing.
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Standard - Mono Red (6-2 and 5-3 in 2 McQ)
Draft - (I wish I had more time for limited...)
Commander -
Norin the Wary, Grimgrin, Adun Oakenshield (taking forever to build)(dead format for me)"Griselshoal so oppressive with turn 2 wins"
"Griselshoal ban-worthy"
"Griselshoal apparently dominating GP Singapore"
GP Singapore Top 8:
1 Temur Delver
1 Temur Twin
3 BG/x Midrange(2 Jund, 1 Abzan)
2 Affinity
1 4C Company
GP Singapore Top 32:
4 UR Twin
4 Jund
3 Affinity
2 Amulet Bloom
2 Grishoalbrand
1 Infect
1 Grixis Delver
1 Burn
1 GW Hatebears
1 Abzan Liege
1 Temur Twin
1 UW Control
1 Merfolk
1 Jeskai Midrange
Yeah whatever. Just another over-hyped deck that cannot mess with the big guys.
That's by the way a whopping 17 different decks in the Top 32.
Next banlist announcement will be: No changes
Welcome to Modern
If you think Grishoalbrand is OK, you can't say that DR deserves to stay banned without sounding like a hypocrite.
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allowing a deck that wins pre turn 4 consistently enough just because it has a low meta game share and has a weakness to a couple top tier decks is a poor excuse for a diverse meta game....this is why everyone is playing these snappy goyf decks...because its either beat em or join em.
bloom/griselshoal are broken and need to be fixed. weather or not they take up tier 1 slots or not. its either that or we let modern get more degenerate and boring.
I stand by what I say irregardless of what the gps results are putting up because for me its not when a deck takes up 20 % plus meta game share. its when an accumulated amount of decks take up 20% plus meta game share that are difficult to interact with and can win pre turn 4...
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I honestly don't see the Griselbrand deck lasting more than 2 ban updates (1 ban update to "wait and see", then banned on the next) barring some VERY unlikely meta shifts. Like, if Lantern Control suddenly becomes tier 1, then Grishoalbrand could be allowed to exist. There's no other way they can justify Dread Return staying on the banned list when there's a deck than wins just as fast and can bypass grave hate, or banning Seething Song when Storm had worse T2/3 kill rates AND GP T8/16 finishes than Grishoalbrand.
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Big Johnny.
Which is why I still think the turn 4 rule is a bad idea, and decks should be banned on dominance rather than simply being good but ticking off an arbitrary criteria that applies to no other format in existence. But I've been trying to make that argument for a while now...
My only concern with this argument is that no one is really playing the deck on MTGO or in paper, at least outside of these GPs. It's possible players are afraid of piloting it because they are worried about a ban, but there are quite a few on Amulet and they don't seem deterred. So that doesn't seem like a plausible mechanism. Another option is that people can't acquire the cards to play the deck, which is certainly possible, but I haven't seen this happen for longer than 1 week in any Modern metagame snapshot. Even in the first weeks of Ascendancy Storm, it only took about 7 days for people to get their supply-capped Wishes and start playing the deck fully. Maybe the deck hasn't caught on yet? I guess that's possible, but I feel like there's been enough hype around it in the last 2-3 weeks that it's unlikely. Then again, this is the likeliest of the explanations for why the deck isn't seeing widespread play, so I guess we'll have to give it more time to wait and see.
Of course, one other explanation is that the deck isn't as broken as people think, which means players aren't either piloting it or taking it to the T8/T16 of events on any regular basis. But to decide if this is at play or if it's just underappreciation, we need more time.
maybe its lots of standard players arent used to this kind of magic asking for every deck to get banned?
Ahm people whine all the time about Brainstorm, it's format-warping power and about blue in general and Dig Through Time has joined the club because it became another blue Legacy staple.
Take a look at the Legacy thread if you have some time.
Also Legacy has much less players than Modern which is also a factor for why you hear less from the Legacy side of things.
The real problem is that Wizards promised more than they can deliver. They promised an affordable eternal format that bans anything that wins consistently before turn four. The problem is that their were a lot of way to win before turn 4 in this format it is just taking years to find them all. Then they say they aren't testing for the format. They make cards that look good for standard, Dig through time and treasure cruise, but don't figure out if they are good in modern so they need to ban it. Nobody could have looked at Griselbrand and Shoal years ago and seen they would be a problem now. IF they want to stop this they need to test for modern. Without that testing these bans will need to continue to happen. It's not whining, though I don't think Wizards reads these boards, it is a way for people to voice their discomfort with the state of the format Wizards is pushing down our throat.
It's not as consistent as storm id argue by a large margin, isn't as resilient as amulet, and really isn't that hard to disrupt. It's much less a problem. The turn 4 rule is a good idea, but I think we've already discussed that at length.