Probably because of a lack of formal coverage and different time zones, GP Kobe sort of slipped through people's radar this weekend. But the event did happen and the results are very interesting:
9. UR Twin
10. UB Tezz
11. Melira Pod
12. UWR Delver
13. Merfolk
14. BG Rock
15. Scapeshift
16. UR Twin
17. Scapeshift
18. UW Midrange
19. UR Twin
20. UWR Delver
21. UWR Midrange
22. RUG / Blue Moon
23. Griselbrand
24. Burn
25. Affinity
26. BG Rock
27. G Tron (No Red)
28. Burn
29. Burn
30. Affinity
31. Eggs (KCI) / Polymorph (!!)
32. Burn
This is a really interesting T8. Affinity + Ensoul Artifact and Tarmogoyf. UWR Midrange with Blade Splicer and no Geist. RG TRON!!!!! Two Burn decks. ZERO Jund/BG Rock/BG Souls! Zero Pod! We still might have some questions about this T8, as well as some concerns, but overall I think it's a really exciting change of pace from the last few GPs.
Wizards, in its infinite coverage competence, failed to put up a Day 2 metagame breakdown of any kind. So it's hard to know if the T8s diversity was representative of the rest of the event, or if it was just a bunch of weird decks that broke the mold.
Feel free to use this thread to discuss the results, the decks, the card choices, and the implications going ahead. We will keep it open for about a week.
EDIT: Wizards comes through with not only the 9-16 decklists, but also the 17-32 list!
9-16:
Tempo Twin UB Tezzeret (Shouta Yasooka lol)
Melira Pod
UWR Delver
Merfolk
Rock
Scapeshift
Tempo Twin
17-32:
Scapeshift UW Restoration
Tempo Twin
UWR Delver
UWR Midrange (Lightning Angel) RUG Griselbrand
Burn (no Eidolons)
Affinity (1 Endoul)
Rock
G Tron (with a Breeding Pool?!)
Burn (no Eidolons)
Burn
Affinity (no Ensoul) Eggs/Polymorph lol wtf
RDW
OP updated with lists from 9th through 32nd place. If Wizards would just give us our day 2 metagame breakdown, this would officially be the best online coverage of an event I have ever seen outside of the Pro Tour.
Glad to see a lack of Pod and BGx decks in the top tables. Twin making a showing is totally fine, given its underperformance at the last few events. Really excited to see all that UWR there too, even if it isn't of the controlling kind. Overall a very interesting top 32.
And the G Tron in T32 is really G Tron, no red. It has a Breeding Pool, which I suppose is for SBed Pact, but whether it's any good when Pact costs double blue is questionable. Yes, I know you can crack eggs to get the second blue and Platinum Angel means you don't have to care about the trigger.
And the G Tron in T32 is really G Tron, no red. It has a Breeding Pool, which I suppose is for SBed Pact, but whether it's any good when Pact costs double blue is questionable. Yes, I know you can crack eggs to get the second blue and Platinum Angel means you don't have to care about the trigger.
It can also be used to actually pay for Spellskite activation? I personally am going to say it's there just to confuse the hell out of opponents. I know I'd be pretty confused seeing a tron landbase with a Breeding pool and an Urborg
On another note, that Eggs/Polymorph deck has to be one of the more bizarre decks I've ever seen.
Yep that top 8 is very odd. But a good odd. Top 16 is even better. Anywho, i think we can all say burn is infact one of moderns top decks now. Its top 3 on mtgo (from goldfish) and wins a gp, as well as puts another one in the top 8. 6 in 32, as well.
Hate it or love it, burn is tier 1. You really can argue that fact anymore.
I wonder if Angle pod and the like will see an influx of players due to the life gain. I am certainly shocked to see Burn become Tier 1, but the good news is we now have a tier 1 budget option.
It's all cyclical. BG was the top deck. What 2 decks hate on that the most? RG Tron and Burn. So it's really no surprise that Burn is doing well. As people abandon BG and start playing decks that hate on Burn, it will shift again. So yes, at this point Burn is Tier 1. But who knows what the future may hold.
That said, Eidolon really gave that deck a big boost.
Your argument seems contrary : if the post-ban metagame sees a decline in a deck that benefited the most from a banned card, it follows that the ban was justified assuming this was the desired outcome. A single BG deck in top 16 with everyone hating it seems reasonable to me.
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It's all cyclical. BG was the top deck. What 2 decks hate on that the most? RG Tron and Burn. So it's really no surprise that Burn is doing well. As people abandon BG and start playing decks that hate on Burn, it will shift again. So yes, at this point Burn is Tier 1. But who knows what the future may hold.
That said, Eidolon really gave that deck a big boost.
Yeah, Eidolon of the Great Revel definitely is the card that put Burn "back on the map" in my opinion - that card is usually such a vicious beating. If it doesn't get countered, the best possible outcome for a lot of decks is to immediately remove it and basically give your opponent (who's playing freakin Burn) a free Shock.
I remember when this card got spoiled it got poo-pooed in the spoiler thread for a while. Burn was already a regular contender before Eidolon made its appearance, but that card has definitely pushed the archetype into tier 1 status. It's also unusually cheap relative to its power level, which probably makes it an even more popular choice than other comparable decks in the format.
It's all cyclical. BG was the top deck. What 2 decks hate on that the most? RG Tron and Burn. So it's really no surprise that Burn is doing well. As people abandon BG and start playing decks that hate on Burn, it will shift again. So yes, at this point Burn is Tier 1. But who knows what the future may hold.
That said, Eidolon really gave that deck a big boost.
Yeah, Eidolon of the Great Revel definitely is the card that put Burn "back on the map" in my opinion - that card is usually such a vicious beating. If it doesn't get countered, the best possible outcome for a lot of decks is to immediately remove it and basically give your opponent (who's playing freakin Burn) a free Shock.
I remember when this card got spoiled it got poo-pooed in the spoiler thread for a while. Burn was already a regular contender before Eidolon made its appearance, but that card has definitely pushed the archetype into tier 1 status. It's also unusually cheap relative to its power level, which probably makes it an even more popular choice than other comparable decks in the format.
Its a powerful, but narrow card man. I remember saying "Ive tested it, and its great! In mono red. It NEEDS to be in a RDW, and anywhere else its sideboard material for the aggressive decks." That double red is super tough since you wanna land it on turn 2 every time.
You people are being results oriented. Burn is not Tier 1 yet. It's good in MOL, but it barely did anything IRL this season, until this.
It's a good start, but now it has to keep it up. Infect couldn't.
Now, if your definition of Tier 1 is "reach one X result," then yes, Burn is now "Tier 1." But then I'd argue that's a soft definition.
Please don't give me the hate excuse. Affinity has way more hate for it than Burn and it's always one of the two decks with the more metagame % week after week. It's not like the other Tier 1 decks if it can't be consistently good. It'd be a disservice calling it the same as decks that have proven way more. Just wait and see.
I also don't think it's good news for budget players that "one of their decks" be good and known. All of its good cards will get expensive if it's good.
Aside from that, we'll ignore that burn has been doing incressingly well since eidlon was printed... and that its been a top preforming online deck for the last, ya know, 4 months.
Anywho. fun fact. out of the top 16, only 2 decks ran layline of sancities, and that was both burn decks.
I'm not ignoring anything. It's not enough yet. In the overal metagame pie, MOL + IRL, it's still not in the same league as Affinity or Pod. It's good online (increasingly good, even!), but that gets tempered with the lacking IRL results (before this one.)
The debate on whether you can apply the MOL metagame to the real world is quite old. PV, for example, is in the camp that no, you can't. Me, I do my homework (not implying anything) and see the differences in the meta every two weeks of the season. That debate will never close until we have full information about tournaments, which we ain't gonna get. Sadly.
A friend of mine was going to a PTQ a couple of weeks ago and he told me he was playing Zoo. I was surprised and asked him what his reasoning was. He said "Well, it just won a PTQ in Toscana!". I countered with "and it lost another fifteen!". Results oriented...
They're inconsistent: this story says there are no Thoughtseizes in the Top 8, yet the No-ffinity deck says it plays 2 maindeck. Wizards's decklists are so terrible that part of the 4c Infect grinder's decklist is unreadable and I have no clue what deck the winner of Trial J played (see here for confirmation), so what's the chance the coverage team is wrong, and what's the chance that Gotou's decklist is?
There's no video coverage of this, right? UB Tezz seem pretty interesting, which is no surprise coming from Yasooka.
There was video coverage (I watched some of it), but it was a Japanese Grand Prix so basically everything is in Japanese. Also, the site that hosts it apparently requires a premium (paid) subscription to look at any broadcasts after the fact, which is kinda annoying and is something I think Wizards of the Coast should be discouraging. But if you feel like shelling out for it, you can find Day 1 here and Day 2 here.
GP Kobe Information
GP Kobe T8
1. Burn (Teruya Kakumae)
2. Affinity (Yuusei Gotou)
3. UWR Midrange (Shohei Mita)
4. RG Tron (Yuuki Akaboshi)
5. Yuuki Ichikawa (UR Twin)
6. Burn (Bo Sun)
7. RUG Twin (Takuya Yamada)
8. Scapeshift (Ken Sawada)
9. UR Twin
10. UB Tezz
11. Melira Pod
12. UWR Delver
13. Merfolk
14. BG Rock
15. Scapeshift
16. UR Twin
17. Scapeshift
18. UW Midrange
19. UR Twin
20. UWR Delver
21. UWR Midrange
22. RUG / Blue Moon
23. Griselbrand
24. Burn
25. Affinity
26. BG Rock
27. G Tron (No Red)
28. Burn
29. Burn
30. Affinity
31. Eggs (KCI) / Polymorph (!!)
32. Burn
This is a really interesting T8. Affinity + Ensoul Artifact and Tarmogoyf. UWR Midrange with Blade Splicer and no Geist. RG TRON!!!!! Two Burn decks. ZERO Jund/BG Rock/BG Souls! Zero Pod! We still might have some questions about this T8, as well as some concerns, but overall I think it's a really exciting change of pace from the last few GPs.
Wizards, in its infinite coverage competence, failed to put up a Day 2 metagame breakdown of any kind. So it's hard to know if the T8s diversity was representative of the rest of the event, or if it was just a bunch of weird decks that broke the mold.
Feel free to use this thread to discuss the results, the decks, the card choices, and the implications going ahead. We will keep it open for about a week.
EDIT: Wizards comes through with not only the 9-16 decklists, but also the 17-32 list!
Top 9-16
Top 7-32
Lists updated above.
9-16:
Tempo Twin
UB Tezzeret (Shouta Yasooka lol)
Melira Pod
UWR Delver
Merfolk
Rock
Scapeshift
Tempo Twin
17-32:
Scapeshift
UW Restoration
Tempo Twin
UWR Delver
UWR Midrange (Lightning Angel)
RUG
Griselbrand
Burn (no Eidolons)
Affinity (1 Endoul)
Rock
G Tron (with a Breeding Pool?!)
Burn (no Eidolons)
Burn
Affinity (no Ensoul)
Eggs/Polymorph lol wtf
RDW
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Glad to see a lack of Pod and BGx decks in the top tables. Twin making a showing is totally fine, given its underperformance at the last few events. Really excited to see all that UWR there too, even if it isn't of the controlling kind. Overall a very interesting top 32.
4 Misty Rainforest
3 Steam Vents
1 Breeding Pool
1 Stomping Ground
8 Island
1 Forest
1 Mountain
4 Tarmogoyf
4 Snapcaster Mage
2 Vendilion Clique
2 Huntmaster of the Fells
4 Lightning Bolt
3 Spell Snare
3 Mana Leak
3 Blood Moon
3 Cryptic Command
2 Vapor Snag
2 Vedalken Shackles
1 Electrolyze
1 Huntmaster of the Fells
2 Spellskite
2 Engineered Explosives
2 Negate
2 Ancient Grudge
2 Anger of the Gods
1 Dispel
1 Swerve
1 Combust
1 Keranos, God of Storms
And the G Tron in T32 is really G Tron, no red. It has a Breeding Pool, which I suppose is for SBed Pact, but whether it's any good when Pact costs double blue is questionable. Yes, I know you can crack eggs to get the second blue and Platinum Angel means you don't have to care about the trigger.
4 Urza's Power Plant
4 Urza's Tower
1 Forest
1 Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth
1 Cavern of Souls
1 Ghost Quarter
1 Eye of Ugin
1 Buried Ruin
1 Breeding Pool
3 Sundering Titan
1 Ulamog, the Infinite Gyre
1 Emrakul, the Aeons Torn
4 Chromatic Sphere
2 Terrarion
4 Ancient Stirrings
4 Expedition Map
4 Sylvan Scrying
4 Mishra's Bauble
4 Oblivion Stone
2 All Is Dust
4 Karn Liberated
1 Cavern of Souls
1 Sundering Titan
2 All Is Dust
4 Platinum Angel
4 Spellskite
1 Grafdigger's Cage
2 Pact of Negation
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On another note, that Eggs/Polymorph deck has to be one of the more bizarre decks I've ever seen.
1 Emrakul, the Aeons Torn
4 Open the Vaults
1 Polymorph
2 Remand
4 Darksteel Citadel
4 Mox Opal
1 Conjurer's Bauble
4 Chromatic Star
4 Terrarion
4 Ichor Wellspring
4 Prophetic Prism
3 Mind Stone
3 Thopter Foundry
4 Krark-Clan Ironworks
1 Tendo Ice Bridge
4 Blinkmoth Nexus
2 Mystic Gate
1 Adarkar Wastes
4 Plains
3 Island
2 Hurkyl's Recall
3 Erase
2 Path to Exile
2 Supreme Verdict
3 Leyline of Sanctity
1 Silence
1 Pyroclasm
1 Seal of Primordium
Commander
U Tetsuko Umezawa, Fugitive
RG Zilortha, Strength Incarnate
WB Amalia Benavides Aguirre
Seems like a really hateful T8 for BG.
Standard: lol no
Modern: BG/x, UR/x, Burn, Merfolk, Zoo, Storm
Legacy: Shardless BUG, Delver (BUG, RUG, Grixis), Landstill, Depths Combo, Merfolk
Vintage: Dark Times, BUG Fish, Merfolk
EDH: Teysa, Orzhov Scion / Krenko, Mob Boss / Stonebrow, Krosan Hero
Hate it or love it, burn is tier 1. You really can argue that fact anymore.
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That said, Eidolon really gave that deck a big boost.
Standard: lol no
Modern: BG/x, UR/x, Burn, Merfolk, Zoo, Storm
Legacy: Shardless BUG, Delver (BUG, RUG, Grixis), Landstill, Depths Combo, Merfolk
Vintage: Dark Times, BUG Fish, Merfolk
EDH: Teysa, Orzhov Scion / Krenko, Mob Boss / Stonebrow, Krosan Hero
3 Grim Lavamancer
4 Snapcaster Mage
3 Young Pyromancer
3 Geist of Saint Traft
2 Blade Splicer
2 Restoration Angel
4 Gitaxian Probe
4 Serum Visions
4 Path to Exile
4 Lightning Bolt
3 Spell Snare
1 Dismember
1 Plains
1 Island
1 Mountain
2 Steam Vents
1 Hallowed Fountain
1 Sacred Foundry
4 Arid Mesa
4 Scalding Tarn
2 Seachrome Coast
1 Sulfur Falls
1 Slayers' Stronghold
Delver with 21 creatures and only 20 instants/sorceries?!?!
Your argument seems contrary : if the post-ban metagame sees a decline in a deck that benefited the most from a banned card, it follows that the ban was justified assuming this was the desired outcome. A single BG deck in top 16 with everyone hating it seems reasonable to me.
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Burn RBG
I remember when this card got spoiled it got poo-pooed in the spoiler thread for a while. Burn was already a regular contender before Eidolon made its appearance, but that card has definitely pushed the archetype into tier 1 status. It's also unusually cheap relative to its power level, which probably makes it an even more popular choice than other comparable decks in the format.
Its a powerful, but narrow card man. I remember saying "Ive tested it, and its great! In mono red. It NEEDS to be in a RDW, and anywhere else its sideboard material for the aggressive decks." That double red is super tough since you wanna land it on turn 2 every time.
It's a good start, but now it has to keep it up. Infect couldn't.
Now, if your definition of Tier 1 is "reach one X result," then yes, Burn is now "Tier 1." But then I'd argue that's a soft definition.
Please don't give me the hate excuse. Affinity has way more hate for it than Burn and it's always one of the two decks with the more metagame % week after week. It's not like the other Tier 1 decks if it can't be consistently good. It'd be a disservice calling it the same as decks that have proven way more. Just wait and see.
I also don't think it's good news for budget players that "one of their decks" be good and known. All of its good cards will get expensive if it's good.
Aside from that, we'll ignore that burn has been doing incressingly well since eidlon was printed... and that its been a top preforming online deck for the last, ya know, 4 months.
Anywho. fun fact. out of the top 16, only 2 decks ran layline of sancities, and that was both burn decks.
The debate on whether you can apply the MOL metagame to the real world is quite old. PV, for example, is in the camp that no, you can't. Me, I do my homework (not implying anything) and see the differences in the meta every two weeks of the season. That debate will never close until we have full information about tournaments, which we ain't gonna get. Sadly.
A friend of mine was going to a PTQ a couple of weeks ago and he told me he was playing Zoo. I was surprised and asked him what his reasoning was. He said "Well, it just won a PTQ in Toscana!". I countered with "and it lost another fifteen!". Results oriented...
We need to wait and see IRL repeat performances.
I am so not surprised by that. And that is crazy. Goes to show how good that card is against burn.