So the PT locations and formats were just announced at PT M15.
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There is NO Modern PT, nor is there a Block Pro tour in 2015.
Is this normal, or is this a masterful mistake on WotC's part in absolutely neutering the format?
This is really disheartening and disappointing as someone who loves the format. They just made changes to the qualifying format that already endangers Modern as a format, but to also make the PT more exclusive. Making the Pro Tour an all standard/limited format makes little sense when they are trying to limit attendees and make it more exclusive, as it shouldn't be an issue for attendees to put together modern decks for it.
This makes little to no sense and it threatens to eliminate the format competitively on WotC's side. What are they thinking?
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Why all Standard for the PTs? Rotating formats seems a lot better.
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(Helene) Standard is the most-played format by far, which makes sense. It's highly accessible for everyone and it rewards players who are good deckbuilders, as well as skilled players. We are supporting other formats, such as Modern, through the Grand Prix schedule, but we feel that the Pro Tour, and the level of play and preparation that we want to showcase, is best left in the hands of Standard.
The GP schedule is interesting, though. Modern Masters 2 is probably definitely coming next June, right before the three consecutive Modern GP's.
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Modern - RUG Delver RUG - Splinter Twin UR - Jund BRG
Legacy - RUG Delver RUG - Maverick GW - SI BG
Foreigning out SI, currently 33/75. The only thing better than a T1 kill is doing it with cards no one has ever heard of and/or can't read. If anyone has any of the usual pieces, PM me. I'm willing to buy/trade.
Helene Bergot's statement implies that Modern is somehow not a format that rewards skill or deckbuilding. This is totally disconnected from reality.
Standard has been much more static than Modern over the course of the past ~10 months, so I don't understand this at all. Modern is the fastest-growing format and has been responsible for some of the largest GPs in Magic history. Why would they opt against supporting it at the Pro Tour level?
This is the dumbest bull***** ever. First, almost no one who makes the spat plays only standard. No limited, block or modern PT is awful. Watching standard is painful. There's not even an uptick in modern GP's in order to compensate. If anything this makes me want to stop playing because there's no real point in bashing my head against a wall repetitively in standard.
Well this isn't exactly a new move from wizards, I mean, Standard isn't just pushed because "it's skillfull" or whatever bull*****. I mean don't get me wrong, I despise the format, but I understand as a game designer the fine points of standard, it's surely a format that has to be in ptq's/gp's but wizards is a business and they made the money move again.
Standard sells boosters, limited sells boosters, both do indirectly too since FNM's are only limited, standard and modern, and really modern doesn't push sales that much because of the secondary market. Legacy wasn't just dropped because of the reserved list but because it's not a money maker, and that's the business truth behind it. One could argue even vintage could've been supported with the reserved list in some ways, but this isn't the place to discuss it.
The fact we all have to face is that they want to make money as a company while making also players happy, that's the job of game companies, they aren't "killing" modern, or even legacy, they simply made a decision for the time being, which could even be reverted. While stubborn they do listen to feedback so I'm guessing this will either go through much pain or even be reverted because in the end, if they alienate the players they will make less money.
It's kinda a PR suicide that's the least it could be said since modern is their new child that is being pushed EVERYWHERE, so well, we'll see if they realize it. Also as people realized, they probably have releases targeted before the modern gps, still, not the best way to put it out I'd say. I only wish both the magic community and wizards were a bit more reasonable in their choices, with the latest announcements they went again and gone turning everything turning upside down, they really don't get the latin say "in medio stat virtus" (virtue is in the middle, as in, being moderated) and the whole community could learn a bit of patience too when they make these bold moves. Sure it upsets many players, still, give feedback and things can change.
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Vintage nostalgic, WUB Fish control/aggro addicted.
Legacy:RUG Temur Delver
Modern: ??? undecided.
As someone who bought heavily into the format since its inception... I feel betrayed. Wizards has always promised to support Modern, then they turn around and basically kill the format from their Organized Play. This, and they quietly killing block from mtgo, tells me that they have no respect whatsoever for their customers.
This move, along with the stores pick PPTQ formats means that the only reason to ever play modern is if there happens to be a nearby modern GP.Edit: The only US modern GPs are in Oklahoma and Omaha There's less incentive to play modern now than there was with Extended, and we know how well Extended thrived after Wizards decided to mess with it.
Tom Lapille's twitter (located here: https://twitter.com/TomLaPilleMagic) is pretty frustrating for someone who wants modern to thrive. Some quotes
Pro Tours put a ton of pressure on formats, and you can only put so much pressure on a huge non-rotating format before it breaks.
Better to not run Modern Pro Tours, ban cards less often, and let everyone at lower levels keep their decks together.
I say this as someone who never plans on playing in the Pro Tour and the news is upsetting, if you kill off most reason to play the format why should anyone play it?
i think this announcement / justification is awful and i'm just a local player. i can only imagine how disappointed the pro's must feel... no one enjoys that much standard
You know, nothing makes for a quality thread quite like out of context quotes and unwarranted arrogance over what formats deserve event time.
This is what we all get for failing to debunk "Modern is nothing but Pod and Twin all the time" in a timely fashion.
I'm going to assume that you're refrencing my post when you say out of context quotes. Right?
I'd love for you to put them in context for me. I don't really understand what he's trying to say and it would be enlightening to hear.
LaPille doesn't want to mess with the banlist, which'd piss a lot of people off, but he feels that events like the Pro Tour would eventually force WotC to swing the banhammer to avert degenerate format stagnation +/- the desire to keep Pro Tours fresh.
Alternatively, as Kibler put it in another tweet, though I dunno if he means it in a good or bad way:
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@dieplstks @TomLaPilleMagic and non-pro players hate bans
Pros dislike Modern because it's a format where they regularly get their asses handed to them by MODO grinders. Can't have the unwashed masses sticking their hands into the cookie jar, as it were.
Pros dislike Modern because it's a format where they regularly get their asses handed to them by MODO grinders. Can't have the unwashed masses sticking their hands into the cookie jar, as it were.
You know, nothing makes for a quality thread quite like out of context quotes and unwarranted arrogance over what formats deserve event time.
This is what we all get for failing to debunk "Modern is nothing but Pod and Twin all the time" in a timely fashion.
I'm going to assume that you're refrencing my post when you say out of context quotes. Right?
I'd love for you to put them in context for me. I don't really understand what he's trying to say and it would be enlightening to hear.
LaPille doesn't want to mess with the banlist, which'd piss a lot of people off, but he feels that events like the Pro Tour would eventually force WotC to swing the banhammer to avert degenerate format stagnation +/- the desire to keep Pro Tours fresh.
Alternatively, as Kibler put it in another tweet, though I dunno if he means it in a good or bad way:
Quote from @bmkibler »
@dieplstks @TomLaPilleMagic and non-pro players hate bans
I mean that's basically exactly what I said. You haven't put things into context anymore than Lapille did. Lapille is apparently of the opinion that there shouldnt be too much competitive modern play. Apparently me thinking that's a bad thing makes this a "quality thread"
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Currently Playing:
Modern: UWUW TronUW
Legacy: WDeath N TaxesW CEldrazi C
If you couldn't tell I hate greedy blue decks.
Anyone know when Wizards will post the Grand Prix schedule for 2015? I am curious as to the total number of Modern Grand Prix that will be available in 2015. In comparison, there are six in 2014.
Modern is the only format I play bc I cant stand playing 5 decks.format and with the way Wizards is pushing creatures, I cant see Khans having a replacement for Verdict or Revelations, so control is prolly not gonna be a deck come rotation. As combo is already dead in standard, is gonna be all aggro all the time.
If I wanted to play a game that only involved turning creatures sideways, I'd play hearthstone or some other CCG. This is a real shame.
I think there is something people are not taking into account. As long as SCG sees there is money to be made in Modern, SCG will keep supporting Modern.
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There is NO Modern PT, nor is there a Block Pro tour in 2015.
Is this normal, or is this a masterful mistake on WotC's part in absolutely neutering the format?
This is really disheartening and disappointing as someone who loves the format. They just made changes to the qualifying format that already endangers Modern as a format, but to also make the PT more exclusive. Making the Pro Tour an all standard/limited format makes little sense when they are trying to limit attendees and make it more exclusive, as it shouldn't be an issue for attendees to put together modern decks for it.
This makes little to no sense and it threatens to eliminate the format competitively on WotC's side. What are they thinking?
Nothing
Modern:
Cruel Control, UR Delver, RUG midrange, Akroma's Elfmorial
EDH:
Animar, Chainer, Derevi the Stonehewer Mystic, Nekusar
This phrase. People have been saying this for years. Is it a stupid mistake? Yes, it is.
Will it kill Magic? No, no it won't.
URW Control
WBG Abzan
GRW Burn
EDH
GR Rosheen Meanderer
Comment From Max
Why all Standard for the PTs? Rotating formats seems a lot better.
2:08
(Helene) Standard is the most-played format by far, which makes sense. It's highly accessible for everyone and it rewards players who are good deckbuilders, as well as skilled players. We are supporting other formats, such as Modern, through the Grand Prix schedule, but we feel that the Pro Tour, and the level of play and preparation that we want to showcase, is best left in the hands of Standard.
probablydefinitely coming next June, right before the three consecutive Modern GP's.Legacy - RUG Delver RUG - Maverick GW - SI BG
Foreigning out SI, currently 33/75. The only thing better than a T1 kill is doing it with cards no one has ever heard of and/or can't read. If anyone has any of the usual pieces, PM me. I'm willing to buy/trade.
Standard has been much more static than Modern over the course of the past ~10 months, so I don't understand this at all. Modern is the fastest-growing format and has been responsible for some of the largest GPs in Magic history. Why would they opt against supporting it at the Pro Tour level?
http://imgur.com/a/Bz1Lx
The next Modern GP is in December.
There's speculation that the 3 Modern GPs in June mean that MMA2 will come out next year (presumably before those GPs).
Standard sells boosters, limited sells boosters, both do indirectly too since FNM's are only limited, standard and modern, and really modern doesn't push sales that much because of the secondary market. Legacy wasn't just dropped because of the reserved list but because it's not a money maker, and that's the business truth behind it. One could argue even vintage could've been supported with the reserved list in some ways, but this isn't the place to discuss it.
The fact we all have to face is that they want to make money as a company while making also players happy, that's the job of game companies, they aren't "killing" modern, or even legacy, they simply made a decision for the time being, which could even be reverted. While stubborn they do listen to feedback so I'm guessing this will either go through much pain or even be reverted because in the end, if they alienate the players they will make less money.
It's kinda a PR suicide that's the least it could be said since modern is their new child that is being pushed EVERYWHERE, so well, we'll see if they realize it. Also as people realized, they probably have releases targeted before the modern gps, still, not the best way to put it out I'd say. I only wish both the magic community and wizards were a bit more reasonable in their choices, with the latest announcements they went again and gone turning everything turning upside down, they really don't get the latin say "in medio stat virtus" (virtue is in the middle, as in, being moderated) and the whole community could learn a bit of patience too when they make these bold moves. Sure it upsets many players, still, give feedback and things can change.
Legacy:RUG Temur Delver
Modern: ??? undecided.
Just because Wizards hasn't succeeded in killing Magic, doesn't mean they're about to stop trying.
Just to play devil's advocate, why would Wizards want to kill Magic? It's their cash cow.
Incompetence.
Wizard's hasnt killed magic, BUT they've killed formats. They've definitely killed formats before.
This move, along with the stores pick PPTQ formats means that the only reason to ever play modern is if there happens to be a nearby modern GP.Edit: The only US modern GPs are in Oklahoma and Omaha There's less incentive to play modern now than there was with Extended, and we know how well Extended thrived after Wizards decided to mess with it.
Tom Lapille's twitter (located here: https://twitter.com/TomLaPilleMagic) is pretty frustrating for someone who wants modern to thrive. Some quotes
I say this as someone who never plans on playing in the Pro Tour and the news is upsetting, if you kill off most reason to play the format why should anyone play it?
Modern:
UWUW TronUW
Legacy:
WDeath N TaxesW
CEldrazi C
If you couldn't tell I hate greedy blue decks.
Vintage
WWhite Trash
This is what we all get for failing to debunk "Modern is nothing but Pod and Twin all the time" in a timely fashion.
I'm going to assume that you're refrencing my post when you say out of context quotes. Right?
I'd love for you to put them in context for me. I don't really understand what he's trying to say and it would be enlightening to hear.
Modern:
UWUW TronUW
Legacy:
WDeath N TaxesW
CEldrazi C
If you couldn't tell I hate greedy blue decks.
Vintage
WWhite Trash
LaPille doesn't want to mess with the banlist, which'd piss a lot of people off, but he feels that events like the Pro Tour would eventually force WotC to swing the banhammer to avert degenerate format stagnation +/- the desire to keep Pro Tours fresh.
Alternatively, as Kibler put it in another tweet, though I dunno if he means it in a good or bad way:
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WotC is that out of touch with the format.
It's quite evident based on how hilariously awful their coverage tends to be.
Dasuri's quotes were literally just the two sequential twitter posts. I'm not sure how much more context you can give in this situation.
Modern is still a gp format.
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Current Decks
Modern: Affinity
Standard: BW Control
Legacy: Death and Taxes :symw::symr:
Vintage: NA
I mean that's basically exactly what I said. You haven't put things into context anymore than Lapille did. Lapille is apparently of the opinion that there shouldnt be too much competitive modern play. Apparently me thinking that's a bad thing makes this a "quality thread"
Modern:
UWUW TronUW
Legacy:
WDeath N TaxesW
CEldrazi C
If you couldn't tell I hate greedy blue decks.
Vintage
WWhite Trash
If I wanted to play a game that only involved turning creatures sideways, I'd play hearthstone or some other CCG. This is a real shame.