Many pros and commentators REALLY don't like modern because there is no real police cards that slow it down.
Many FNM players feel that way too. It's not really fun to lose your round 1 match with 39 minutes left. I guess winning in 10 minutes is slightly better? Still feels like a lot of wasted times and a lot of relatively boring, quick games. I have scaled back my local paper play significantly because of that. It's really difficult to justify 4-5 hours of my busy schedule to play Magic for what boils down to around an 1 hour.
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Many FNM players feel that way too. It's not really fun to lose your round 1 match with 39 minutes left. I guess winning in 10 minutes is slightly better? Still feels like a lot of wasted times and a lot of relatively boring, quick games. I have scaled back my local paper play significantly because of that. It's really difficult to justify 4-5 hours of my busy schedule to play Magic for what boils down to around an 1 hour.
At my local FNM level, I guess I have just been lucky. I play at the Monstore in Montclair, CA. FNMs for Modern have picked up from 28-30 players to 36-46 players during this Modern season. Suicide Zoo and Infect are played at a pretty low clip, although I'm not sure exactly why. However, there still are the non-interactive decks that are trying to race - like Titanshift, Dredge, Affinity, 8 Whack, Bushwhacker Zoo, and more. I have found the meta to not be so bad at a local level. It does feel like mostly just a race, but the actual deck diversity is not too bad. (This is coming from me, who lost to Infect at FNM after playing a total of 5 turns in the match. I lost on turn 3 twice.)
I should say that I have a problem in that I feel like saying, "Vroom, vroom" out loud at times, but that may just be a personal problem.
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Off topic, but I think it was neat to see Knightfall Retreat do so well. It must be a tier one deck, as that is the only way to do well in this format, and everything below tier one is janky jank that is clearly not competitive or viable.
Many pros and commentators REALLY don't like modern because there is no real police cards that slow it down.
Many FNM players feel that way too. It's not really fun to lose your round 1 match with 39 minutes left. I guess winning in 10 minutes is slightly better? Still feels like a lot of wasted times and a lot of relatively boring, quick games. I have scaled back my local paper play significantly because of that. It's really difficult to justify 4-5 hours of my busy schedule to play Magic for what boils down to around an 1 hour.
You could just play something that interacts efficiently enough with Modern's many linear decks that you don't lose in 10 minutes.
Blood Moon and Rest in Peace are both great hosers that slow games down a lot, and the former is very strong against Bant Eldrazi.
the card itself really isn't worth the card board its printed on...does it serve a purpose? Sure its a blue 1 drop that might not be a 1/1. I would not put it in a list and expect to win a PTQ or GP though.
Many pros and commentators REALLY don't like modern because there is no real police cards that slow it down.
Many FNM players feel that way too. It's not really fun to lose your round 1 match with 39 minutes left. I guess winning in 10 minutes is slightly better? Still feels like a lot of wasted times and a lot of relatively boring, quick games. I have scaled back my local paper play significantly because of that. It's really difficult to justify 4-5 hours of my busy schedule to play Magic for what boils down to around an 1 hour.
You could just play something that interacts efficiently enough with Modern's many linear decks that you don't lose in 10 minutes.
Blood Moon and Rest in Peace are both great hosers that slow games down a lot, and the former is very strong against Bant Eldrazi.
Those numbers are published very rarely. Pro Tours had them and sometimes I've seen them for other events. I believe it's a ton of work for small staffs to classify the decks, and Wizards also doesn't want the numbers contributing towards a solved metagame. So Day 2 is typically all we get. Then Top 8/16/32 after that. I assume you're interested in conversion rates, but you'll have to wait until Top 8/16/32 to calculate them from Day 2.
I mean.. We all accept that top 8 deck selection is hugely based on luck and the decks that "get there", are there so tenuously as to almost not matter in the slightest to the overall metagame, right? In that vein, any reasonable spread of decks is fine. And hey, we've got knightfall and scapeshift doing some work. What's not to love?
I guess if your own personal favourite didn't quite make the cut then fair enough. But it's still a cool spread of things going on.
(and 8-rack? Wow!)
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I mean.. We all accept that top 8 deck selection is hugely based on luck and the decks that "get there", are there so tenuously as to almost not matter in the slightest to the overall metagame, right? In that vein, any reasonable spread of decks is fine. And hey, we've got knightfall and scapeshift doing some work. What's not to love?
I guess if your own personal favourite didn't quite make the cut then fair enough. But it's still a cool spread of things going on.
(and 8-rack? Wow!)
Unless its something that reinforces how "awful" modern is, cfusion doesn't care.
I mean.. We all accept that top 8 deck selection is hugely based on luck and the decks that "get there", are there so tenuously as to almost not matter in the slightest to the overall metagame, right? In that vein, any reasonable spread of decks is fine. And hey, we've got knightfall and scapeshift doing some work. What's not to love?
I guess if your own personal favourite didn't quite make the cut then fair enough. But it's still a cool spread of things going on.
(and 8-rack? Wow!)
Agreed. A top 8 with 7 archetypes looks just fine to me.
I mean.. We all accept that top 8 deck selection is hugely based on luck and the decks that "get there", are there so tenuously as to almost not matter in the slightest to the overall metagame, right? In that vein, any reasonable spread of decks is fine. And hey, we've got knightfall and scapeshift doing some work. What's not to love?
I guess if your own personal favourite didn't quite make the cut then fair enough. But it's still a cool spread of things going on.
(and 8-rack? Wow!)
Unless its something that reinforces how "awful" modern is, cfusion doesn't care.
Or it's 8 fast linear decks that all do about the same thing in only slightly different ways. Patrick Sullivan said himself just now that Affinity is the slowest and most controlling deck in the Top 8. You tell me what that says about the format (or at least about today's showing).
Edit: and this is following a triple GP weekend, where 17 out of 24 Top 8 decks and 2 out of 3 winners were fast linear decks.
But this is fine. Everything is fine. Modern is thriving, healthy and diverse.
For those who missed it, at about 11 minutes into the semi finals (Coulvier vs Sharfman), and for the next several minutes, both Patrick and Cedric have some choice words about the format. I don't think I can link to a part of the live stream, but it's definitely interesting to watch once the replay is up. It was apparently bad enough to warrant a few words from their director about the negative tone they have towards the game and Modern as a whole.
The basis of their comments, as best as I can remember, were:
- This is the format that we have.
- It may not be the format that we want, but we're basically stuck with it unless we ban an enormous amount of things.
- You don't get to play what you want to play because that's not what the format lets you do, and it's going to be like this for the foreseeable future.
- Why play fair when you don't have to?
- Imagine what Legacy would look like without Force of Will; that's basically what Modern is.
And of course "shamka: people will reference a previous event with a meta balance pertaining to your comment, and think they've won the argument and silenced you. yet they wont look at the meta game% and see the big picture.
infect vs infect lmfao.... may I ask what the next matchup is gonna be? im getting bored of this modern
Many FNM players feel that way too. It's not really fun to lose your round 1 match with 39 minutes left. I guess winning in 10 minutes is slightly better? Still feels like a lot of wasted times and a lot of relatively boring, quick games. I have scaled back my local paper play significantly because of that. It's really difficult to justify 4-5 hours of my busy schedule to play Magic for what boils down to around an 1 hour.
UR ....... WUBR ........... WB ............. RGW ........ UBR ....... WUB .... BGU
Spells / Blink & Combo / Token Grind / Dino Tribal / Draw Cards / Zombies / Reanimate
I don't think Cedric likes Modern but it's the main format Patrick plays.
At my local FNM level, I guess I have just been lucky. I play at the Monstore in Montclair, CA. FNMs for Modern have picked up from 28-30 players to 36-46 players during this Modern season. Suicide Zoo and Infect are played at a pretty low clip, although I'm not sure exactly why. However, there still are the non-interactive decks that are trying to race - like Titanshift, Dredge, Affinity, 8 Whack, Bushwhacker Zoo, and more. I have found the meta to not be so bad at a local level. It does feel like mostly just a race, but the actual deck diversity is not too bad. (This is coming from me, who lost to Infect at FNM after playing a total of 5 turns in the match. I lost on turn 3 twice.)
I should say that I have a problem in that I feel like saying, "Vroom, vroom" out loud at times, but that may just be a personal problem.
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Standard - Mono Red (6-2 and 5-3 in 2 McQ)
Draft - (I wish I had more time for limited...)
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Blood Moon and Rest in Peace are both great hosers that slow games down a lot, and the former is very strong against Bant Eldrazi.
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Would you say that Grixis Delver running Lightning Bolt, Terminate, Dreadbore, Murderous Cut, Magma Spray, Engineered Explosives, Kolaghan's Command, Anger of the Gods, Mana Leak, Remand, Spell Snare, and Countersquall qualifies as "something that interacts"? And if so, do you agree that maybe the problem is that soft and conditional answers are only good when backed up by a fast clock? And that regardless of clock, you can simply lose if caught with the "wrong" answers in your top 10 cards? If you have a better choice for something in URx that can interact with the Garbage Fire of variety that linear Modern can throw at you, I'm all ears.
UR ....... WUBR ........... WB ............. RGW ........ UBR ....... WUB .... BGU
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http://www.starcitygames.com/events/coverage/3869_day_2_metagame_breakdown_.html
Those numbers are published very rarely. Pro Tours had them and sometimes I've seen them for other events. I believe it's a ton of work for small staffs to classify the decks, and Wizards also doesn't want the numbers contributing towards a solved metagame. So Day 2 is typically all we get. Then Top 8/16/32 after that. I assume you're interested in conversion rates, but you'll have to wait until Top 8/16/32 to calculate them from Day 2.
UR ....... WUBR ........... WB ............. RGW ........ UBR ....... WUB .... BGU
Spells / Blink & Combo / Token Grind / Dino Tribal / Draw Cards / Zombies / Reanimate
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GW Bogles
RG Loam
UR Blue Breach
RBU Grixis Goryo
BRU Grixis Delver
GBR Jund
GBW Junk
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Probably grixis goryo's, so looks like we have an idea of 5-6 decks in top 8.
What is said top 8?
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U Tron
GW Bogles
RG Loam
UR Blue Breach
RBU Grixis Goryo
BRU Grixis Delver
GBR Jund
GBW Junk
Active Legacy Decks
BR Reanimator
1 4c Knightfall
1 Grixis Goryos
1 Bant Eldrazi
1 Affinity
1 Scapeshift
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UB Faeries (15-6-0)
UWR Control (10-5-1)/Kiki Control/Midrange/Harbinger
UBR Cruel Control (6-4-0)/Grixis Control/Delver/Blue Jund
UWB Control/Mentor
UW Miracles/Control (currently active, 14-2-0)
BW Eldrazi & Taxes
RW Burn (9-1-0)
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Looks great to me. What's wrong with it exactly?
I mean.. We all accept that top 8 deck selection is hugely based on luck and the decks that "get there", are there so tenuously as to almost not matter in the slightest to the overall metagame, right? In that vein, any reasonable spread of decks is fine. And hey, we've got knightfall and scapeshift doing some work. What's not to love?
I guess if your own personal favourite didn't quite make the cut then fair enough. But it's still a cool spread of things going on.
(and 8-rack? Wow!)
Unless its something that reinforces how "awful" modern is, cfusion doesn't care.
My H/W list
Agreed. A top 8 with 7 archetypes looks just fine to me.
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Or it's 8 fast linear decks that all do about the same thing in only slightly different ways. Patrick Sullivan said himself just now that Affinity is the slowest and most controlling deck in the Top 8. You tell me what that says about the format (or at least about today's showing).
Edit: and this is following a triple GP weekend, where 17 out of 24 Top 8 decks and 2 out of 3 winners were fast linear decks.
But this is fine. Everything is fine. Modern is thriving, healthy and diverse.
UR ....... WUBR ........... WB ............. RGW ........ UBR ....... WUB .... BGU
Spells / Blink & Combo / Token Grind / Dino Tribal / Draw Cards / Zombies / Reanimate
The basis of their comments, as best as I can remember, were:
- This is the format that we have.
- It may not be the format that we want, but we're basically stuck with it unless we ban an enormous amount of things.
- You don't get to play what you want to play because that's not what the format lets you do, and it's going to be like this for the foreseeable future.
- Why play fair when you don't have to?
- Imagine what Legacy would look like without Force of Will; that's basically what Modern is.
UR ....... WUBR ........... WB ............. RGW ........ UBR ....... WUB .... BGU
Spells / Blink & Combo / Token Grind / Dino Tribal / Draw Cards / Zombies / Reanimate
infect vs infect lmfao.... may I ask what the next matchup is gonna be? im getting bored of this modern
decks playing:
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Grixis Goryos vs Infect. Currently watching an Infect mirror, winner goes to finals.
UR ....... WUBR ........... WB ............. RGW ........ UBR ....... WUB .... BGU
Spells / Blink & Combo / Token Grind / Dino Tribal / Draw Cards / Zombies / Reanimate
Grixis Goryos vs Infect. wow! how exciting!
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