As a MTGO player You could buy the pieces for this for about $40 unless there is some value card that hasn't already been reprinted there.
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Out of the blackness and stench of the engulfing swamp emerged a shimmering figure. Only the splattered armor and ichor-stained sword hinted at the unfathomable evil the knight had just laid waste.
As a MTGO player You could buy the pieces for this for about $40 unless there is some value card that hasn't already been reprinted there.
The $35 additional is obviously for the sleeves, spindown die, double sided tokens, etc...
The PC analogy still stands, the overpay is the fee for having the manufacturer build for you.
AT LEAST THEY THREW IN TRINKETS.
IT'S LIKE A FAT PACK BUT WITH BETTER QUALITY TO IT.
As a MTGO player You could buy the pieces for this for about $40 unless there is some value card that hasn't already been reprinted there.
The $35 additional is obviously for the sleeves, spindown die, double sided tokens, etc...
The PC analogy still stands, the overpay is the fee for having the manufacturer build for you.
Actually putting a PC together and knowing what each piece of hardware does actually requires a bit of learning. Copying a magic deck list and putting them together in a pile requires none. So that seems like a rather poor analogy.
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Would Dark Confidant still be good if he punched you in the face for 5 damage a turn?
As a MTGO player You could buy the pieces for this for about $40 unless there is some value card that hasn't already been reprinted there.
The $35 additional is obviously for the sleeves, spindown die, double sided tokens, etc...
The PC analogy still stands, the overpay is the fee for having the manufacturer build for you.
Actually putting a PC together and knowing what each piece of hardware does actually requires a bit of learning. Copying a magic deck list and putting them together in a pile requires none. So that seems like a rather poor analogy.
Not really, PCs are actually near idiotproof to assemble these days, and a simple google search can give you everything you need to know from what goes where to build blueprints.
You can just as well "netdeck" a PC if you're not out to do esoteric stuff like coolant systems and glowing lights.
As a MTGO player You could buy the pieces for this for about $40 unless there is some value card that hasn't already been reprinted there.
The $35 additional is obviously for the sleeves, spindown die, double sided tokens, etc...
The PC analogy still stands, the overpay is the fee for having the manufacturer build for you.
Actually putting a PC together and knowing what each piece of hardware does actually requires a bit of learning. Copying a magic deck list and putting them together in a pile requires none. So that seems like a rather poor analogy.
Not really, PCs are actually near idiotproof to assemble these days, and a simple google search can give you everything you need to know from what goes where to build blueprints.
You can just as well "netdeck" a PC if you're not out to do esoteric stuff like coolant systems and glowing lights.
Apparently you don't know what "a bit" is and if you think assembling a PC is 'idiotproof' you've obviously not assembled any or very many at all.
It is very easy to ground the motherboard to the case on accident or forget to plug in a power connector somewhere. Hell some people forget to put the case mounted usb port connectors into their motherboard and wonder why they don't work.
and there are even finer points of PC building such as deciding running HDDs in Raid 0, 1, 5, or 10 and liquid cooling or overclocking your CPU/GPU. I don't think you know what you're talking about honestly.
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Would Dark Confidant still be good if he punched you in the face for 5 damage a turn?
As a MTGO player You could buy the pieces for this for about $40 unless there is some value card that hasn't already been reprinted there.
The $35 additional is obviously for the sleeves, spindown die, double sided tokens, etc...
The PC analogy still stands, the overpay is the fee for having the manufacturer build for you.
Actually putting a PC together and knowing what each piece of hardware does actually requires a bit of learning. Copying a magic deck list and putting them together in a pile requires none. So that seems like a rather poor analogy.
Not really, PCs are actually near idiotproof to assemble these days, and a simple google search can give you everything you need to know from what goes where to build blueprints.
You can just as well "netdeck" a PC if you're not out to do esoteric stuff like coolant systems and glowing lights.
Apparently you don't know what "a bit" is and if you think assembling a PC is 'idiotproof' you've obviously not assembled any or very many at all.
It is very easy to ground the motherboard to the case on accident or forget to plug in a power connector somewhere. Hell some people forget to put the case mounted usb port connectors into their motherboard and wonder why they don't work.
and there are even finer points of PC building such as deciding running HDDs in Raid 0, 1, 5, or 10 and liquid cooling or overclocking your CPU/GPU. I don't think you know what you're talking about honestly.
PC hardware is standardized "plug card A into compatible bus-slot B" with a copious amount of "don't forget to discharge static before handling equipment," claiming that to be technical minutiae outside idiotproofness and yet refusing to acknowledge that netdecking a pile doesn't make you an instant expert on an archetype reeks of a disingenuous argument.
Besides, building a PC is not synonymous with ricing a gaming rig.
There was a time people built their workstations instead of ordering from the Dell catalog.
As a MTGO player You could buy the pieces for this for about $40 unless there is some value card that hasn't already been reprinted there.
The $35 additional is obviously for the sleeves, spindown die, double sided tokens, etc...
The PC analogy still stands, the overpay is the fee for having the manufacturer build for you.
Actually putting a PC together and knowing what each piece of hardware does actually requires a bit of learning. Copying a magic deck list and putting them together in a pile requires none. So that seems like a rather poor analogy.
Not really, PCs are actually near idiotproof to assemble these days, and a simple google search can give you everything you need to know from what goes where to build blueprints.
You can just as well "netdeck" a PC if you're not out to do esoteric stuff like coolant systems and glowing lights.
Apparently you don't know what "a bit" is and if you think assembling a PC is 'idiotproof' you've obviously not assembled any or very many at all.
It is very easy to ground the motherboard to the case on accident or forget to plug in a power connector somewhere. Hell some people forget to put the case mounted usb port connectors into their motherboard and wonder why they don't work.
and there are even finer points of PC building such as deciding running HDDs in Raid 0, 1, 5, or 10 and liquid cooling or overclocking your CPU/GPU. I don't think you know what you're talking about honestly.
Look, it's obviously not as simple, but it is a good analogy. Putting a computer together really isn't difficult at all, and you probably could just watch a YouTube video and learn to do it. It's not like we're asking you to use liquid nitrogen cooling.
The analogy wasn't at the fact that putting it together is simple anyways. The analogy was that you're overpaying for putting it together. The value of putting it together is basically never worth what the value the retailer charges. You pay like a couple hundred for it, when in reality someone can do it in a couple hours. It's the same with this deck, we're overpaying because they've got everything nicely packaged and ready to go.
As a MTGO player You could buy the pieces for this for about $40 unless there is some value card that hasn't already been reprinted there.
The $35 additional is obviously for the sleeves, spindown die, double sided tokens, etc...
The PC analogy still stands, the overpay is the fee for having the manufacturer build for you.
Actually putting a PC together and knowing what each piece of hardware does actually requires a bit of learning. Copying a magic deck list and putting them together in a pile requires none. So that seems like a rather poor analogy.
Not really, PCs are actually near idiotproof to assemble these days, and a simple google search can give you everything you need to know from what goes where to build blueprints.
You can just as well "netdeck" a PC if you're not out to do esoteric stuff like coolant systems and glowing lights.
Apparently you don't know what "a bit" is and if you think assembling a PC is 'idiotproof' you've obviously not assembled any or very many at all.
It is very easy to ground the motherboard to the case on accident or forget to plug in a power connector somewhere. Hell some people forget to put the case mounted usb port connectors into their motherboard and wonder why they don't work.
and there are even finer points of PC building such as deciding running HDDs in Raid 0, 1, 5, or 10 and liquid cooling or overclocking your CPU/GPU. I don't think you know what you're talking about honestly.
Look, it's obviously not as simple, but it is a good analogy. Putting a computer together really isn't difficult at all, and you probably could just watch a YouTube video and learn to do it. It's not like we're asking you to use liquid nitrogen cooling.
The analogy wasn't at the fact that putting it together is simple anyways. The analogy was that you're overpaying for putting it together. The value of putting it together is basically never worth what the value the retailer charges. You pay like a couple hundred for it, when in reality someone can do it in a couple hours. It's the same with this deck, we're overpaying because they've got everything nicely packaged and ready to go.
Pretty much.
I still stand by the whole entire "you can net-build a PC" thing, though. I'll concede that, yes, when you get into something like "I want to cool my rig with beer!" then you can get into some real dangerous stuff that doesn't compare to what a cardgame does, but it misses the point intended by the analogy.
Prefabricated vs build-it-yourself. You pay for the service.
So lets say that I plug "Card A" (Your words not mine) It is an Intel Core I7-3770k processor into "bus-slot B" (Again your words not mine) which is an MSI A78M-E35 FM2+/FM 2 motherboard. It is standardized so that It is just going to work right away right?
IT WONT EVEN PLUG INTO THE SLOT
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So lets say that I plug "Card A" (Your words not mine) It is an Intel Core I7-3770k processor into "bus-slot B" (Again your words not mine) which is an MSI A78M-E35 FM2+/FM 2 motherboard. It is standardized so that It is just going to work right away right?
IT WONT EVEN PLUG INTO THE SLOT
Well the problem here is that you confused a processor for a card and a motherboard for a bus.
Not even the socket, but the entire motherboard.
Namedrop parts and their incompatibilities all you want, you're dropping the ball in architecture.
I thought they put a hard to miss thing on the box that indicates what chip your board's built for, especially considering the incompatibility between AMD and Intel chipsets... I mean, average joe might punt this one thinking it's all the same *****, but when I said idiotproof I didn't mean to imply that they weren't going to RTFM...
I think we all are sad about the lack of marsh flats and I think wizards misevaluated their target group for this product. Anyone who is interested in playing Magic competitively isn't going to want a subpar deck especially when it costs $75. No casual player is going to dump $75 into this. Additionally no competitive player cares about any of the craptastic 'goodies' in the box. Who wants terrible ultra pro sleeves and a spindown? OH A DECK BOX? OH MY!
Anyone interested in playing modern competitively and who is just getting into it would be better served by building a burn deck which is about the same cost as this deck and is actually a complete list that isn't missing crucial and integral parts.
I don't even understand why Wizards decided to put in the Sword if and left out the Squadron Hawks. Why not add a sorin? He is only like $5 and would make the deck a bit better. Sure you don't NEED him but he is a legitimately nice budget addition.
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Would Dark Confidant still be good if he punched you in the face for 5 damage a turn?
Someone remind me what crucial part of a tokens deck is missing.
Is it the tokens?
It's gotta be the tokens, right?
But seriously, why give a sword to a bird when you can give it to a token instead? Please, someone tell me what I'm failing to recognize other than that the manabase could be more optimal. Other than the hand disruption suite. And the lack of a 4th Path. The way you people sound it's like you're criticizing the token producing part of the deck rather than the support cards.
Originally my response to celestial çrusader in the closed thread
Yes the deck is garbage. Some of us know how u feel. This was a chance to help ppl like u celestial get into modern and WOTC blew it.
The deck is half complete. What use is going 0 -9 in a modern ptq or gpt? How is that going to make a "new" to modern player want to continue?
So many ppl saying that players are expected to finish the deck with tseize and godless shrine. That does nothing to help optimise the deck as the bottleneck is the availability of fetches. Even fully powered bw tokens is uncompetitive tier 2.
Players can play at fnm? is this serious? Im not sure what a joke of scene passes for modern world in the usa but I have never seen an fnm where top tier pod or jund or affinity or uwr DIDNT show up. This deck will just lose and get the pilot laughed out of the fnm. Then they are in tears after blowing a not insignificant 75 on this pile.
Celestial has valid gripes.
Wotc are pandering to stores too much and shafting players.
Wotc are taking secondary market values too much in to account for all product now rather than just building good precons and making accessabilty easier.
And finally for celestial and 100, 000s of other competitive players, wotc is just giving them the eff you by not reprinting the cards they actually need to compete or creating new archetype that they can compete with
Someone remind me what crucial part of a tokens deck is missing.
Is it the tokens?
It's gotta be the tokens, right?
But seriously, why give a sword to a bird when you can give it to a token instead? Please, someone tell me what I'm failing to recognize other than that the manabase could be more optimal. Other than the hand disruption suite. And the lack of a 4th Path. The way you people sound it's like you're criticizing the token producing part of the deck rather than the support cards.
The b/w toekn lists that run swords generally run squadron hawk. At least they're cheap.
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Would Dark Confidant still be good if he punched you in the face for 5 damage a turn?
Someone remind me what crucial part of a tokens deck is missing.
Is it the tokens?
It's gotta be the tokens, right?
But seriously, why give a sword to a bird when you can give it to a token instead? Please, someone tell me what I'm failing to recognize other than that the manabase could be more optimal. Other than the hand disruption suite. And the lack of a 4th Path. The way you people sound it's like you're criticizing the token producing part of the deck rather than the support cards.
The b/w toekn lists that run swords generally run squadron hawk.
I guess, but the way I see it it's a sort of redundancy.
Someone will probably want to smack me for suggesting this, but I always figured Lingering Souls to be Tokens' equivalent of Squad-Hawks.
Sure, they're more vulnerable to Echoing effects (ie Bile Blight, Maelstrom Pulse, Echoing Truth, etc) because spirit tokens never march out one by one, but past that they're cheap bodies that can carry gear like the best of them, no?
Someone remind me what crucial part of a tokens deck is missing.
Is it the tokens?
It's gotta be the tokens, right?
But seriously, why give a sword to a bird when you can give it to a token instead? Please, someone tell me what I'm failing to recognize other than that the manabase could be more optimal. Other than the hand disruption suite. And the lack of a 4th Path. The way you people sound it's like you're criticizing the token producing part of the deck rather than the support cards.
The b/w toekn lists that run swords generally run squadron hawk.
I guess, but the way I see it it's a sort of redundancy.
Someone will probably want to smack me for suggesting this, but I always figured Lingering Souls to be Tokens' equivalent of Squad-Hawks.
Sure, they're more vulnerable to Echoing effects (ie Bile Blight, Maelstrom Pulse, Echoing Truth, etc) because spirit tokens never march out one by one, but past that they're cheap bodies that can carry gear like the best of them, no?
Hawk just curves better and since it isn't a token is slightly more robust.
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Would Dark Confidant still be good if he punched you in the face for 5 damage a turn?
Someone remind me what crucial part of a tokens deck is missing.
Is it the tokens?
It's gotta be the tokens, right?
But seriously, why give a sword to a bird when you can give it to a token instead? Please, someone tell me what I'm failing to recognize other than that the manabase could be more optimal. Other than the hand disruption suite. And the lack of a 4th Path. The way you people sound it's like you're criticizing the token producing part of the deck rather than the support cards.
The b/w toekn lists that run swords generally run squadron hawk.
I guess, but the way I see it it's a sort of redundancy.
Someone will probably want to smack me for suggesting this, but I always figured Lingering Souls to be Tokens' equivalent of Squad-Hawks.
Sure, they're more vulnerable to Echoing effects (ie Bile Blight, Maelstrom Pulse, Echoing Truth, etc) because spirit tokens never march out one by one, but past that they're cheap bodies that can carry gear like the best of them, no?
Hawk just curves better and since it isn't a token is slightly more robust.
Fair enough.
It's a common though, and the deck's enough of a base template that you can easily tweak for hawk-gear nanners, or drop that and focus on other things.
At the minimum, the Shrine has got to go. It's cute entry level filler but it could be so much more.
Like 2 extra IoKs.
I wonder what the sell value of the sword would be, if it could finance buying money uncommons...
I love this thread. Every person saying they dislike it, is one more deck going into the hands of someone that wants to learn to play Modern.
Of course the deck has room to grow. Learning to deck build is a key part of playing magic. It's also missing obvious inclusion cards (that are available in standard and most people will have) which will make people want to trade for them to fill out the deck. Not only does that help them feel like the deck is their own but it also makes them want to go out and interact with other people to get those cards. This product does so many things right on so many levels. I'm perfectly content not wanting to purchase this product and would love to help out anyone who does buy it make it better. Hopefully I'll see some new faces at our future Modern tournaments. Kudos to WotC on this one. 10/10
I love this thread. Every person saying they dislike it, is one more deck going into the hands of someone that wants to learn to play Modern.
Of course the deck has room to grow. Learning to deck build is a key part of playing magic. It's also missing obvious inclusion cards (that are available in standard and most people will have) which will make people want to trade for them to fill out the deck. Not only does that help them feel like the deck is their own but it also makes them want to go out and interact with other people to get those cards. This product does so many things right on so many levels. I'm perfectly content not wanting to purchase this product and would love to help out anyone who does buy it make it better. Hopefully I'll see some new faces at our future Modern tournaments. Kudos to WotC on this one. 10/10
Seconded. If I did not already have four (almost) complete T1,2 and 3 Modern decks, a full three sets of fetchlands, a set of lorwyn Seizes and enough cards to vary, I would be happy to have such a product.
If you find that the event deck does not add too much to your collection, like I do, consider yourself saturated up to a certain level.
I think we all are sad about the lack of marsh flats and I think wizards misevaluated their target group for this product. Anyone who is interested in playing Magic competitively isn't going to want a subpar deck especially when it costs $75. No casual player is going to dump $75 into this. Additionally no competitive player cares about any of the craptastic 'goodies' in the box. Who wants terrible ultra pro sleeves and a spindown? OH A DECK BOX? OH MY!
Anyone interested in playing modern competitively and who is just getting into it would be better served by building a burn deck which is about the same cost as this deck and is actually a complete list that isn't missing crucial and integral parts.
I don't even understand why Wizards decided to put in the Sword if and left out the Squadron Hawks. Why not add a sorin? He is only like $5 and would make the deck a bit better. Sure you don't NEED him but he is a legitimately nice budget addition.
I didn't miss it. I think that thought process is fine and again implies that this deck will fall exactly into the hands of the players that Wizards intended. If someone wants to get into Modern with the intent of winning high level tournaments, then they are going to be willing to spend more than $75 on a deck and they would already know that pre-made product like this isn't going to be anywhere near optimal. This product is for those players that are curious about Modern and want to dabble in it. For people who have only been playing for a year or so, this puts older cards in the hands of new players, gives the feel of powerful spells and synergy that is different from Standard and gives them room to grow. The real genius being that it actively makes the purchaser want to get involved in the Modern community if they like the deck and want to improve it.
Expecting money cards in here was ridiculous to think would happen to begin with. Every getting into modern knows that those cards exist and would benefit the deck. Think if how attached to that deck a newer player would be once they got their first Marsh Flats into the deck. Think about all the cards that can be swapped out as the buyer decides. They will get this deck and make it their own and even just out of the box with some decent skill, this deck isn't stone cold terrible. Several cards can win games on their own.
If someone wants to play competitive Magic and can't justify putting $75 into it, they are going to be exceptionally disappointed with their Magic career. Entry to most high level events is $40. Let alone the cost of travel. If you fall into this category of player I think you need to reevaluate your priorities and stop expecting Wizards and other players to just give you tons of expensive cards for pennies on the dollar. Especially when you'll most likely still scrub out of high level play even with a properly built deck. So the deck isn't your deal. That's cool. Find the people who could use it, share your knowledge of Modern with them, and help them get into the format in a constructive way. I'm sure they aren't expecting to take down their first event. But improvement over time will make them feel good about their deck's improvement and their improvement as a player. Which I think is the real beauty of this product.
I didn't miss it. I think that thought process is fine and again implies that this deck will fall exactly into the hands of the players that Wizards intended. If someone wants to get into Modern with the intent of winning high level tournaments, then they are going to be willing to spend more than $75 on a deck and they would already know that pre-made product like this isn't going to be anywhere near optimal. This product is for those players that are curious about Modern and want to dabble in it. For people who have only been playing for a year or so, this puts older cards in the hands of new players, gives the feel of powerful spells and synergy that is different from Standard and gives them room to grow. The real genius being that it actively makes the purchaser want to get involved in the Modern community if they like the deck and want to improve it.
Expecting money cards in here was ridiculous to think would happen to begin with. Every getting into modern knows that those cards exist and would benefit the deck. Think if how attached to that deck a newer player would be once they got their first Marsh Flats into the deck. Think about all the cards that can be swapped out as the buyer decides. They will get this deck and make it their own and even just out of the box with some decent skill, this deck isn't stone cold terrible. Several cards can win games on their own.
If someone wants to play competitive Magic and can't justify putting $75 into it, they are going to be exceptionally disappointed with their Magic career. Entry to most high level events is $40. Let alone the cost of travel. If you fall into this category of player I think you need to reevaluate your priorities and stop expecting Wizards and other players to just give you tons of expensive cards for pennies on the dollar. Especially when you'll most likely still scrub out of high level play even with a properly built deck. So the deck isn't your deal. That's cool. Find the people who could use it, share your knowledge of Modern with them, and help them get into the format in a constructive way. I'm sure they aren't expecting to take down their first event. But improvement over time will make them feel good about their deck's improvement and their improvement as a player. Which I think is the real beauty of this product.
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The $35 additional is obviously for the sleeves, spindown die, double sided tokens, etc...
The PC analogy still stands, the overpay is the fee for having the manufacturer build for you.
AT LEAST THEY THREW IN TRINKETS.
IT'S LIKE A FAT PACK BUT WITH BETTER QUALITY TO IT.
Actually putting a PC together and knowing what each piece of hardware does actually requires a bit of learning. Copying a magic deck list and putting them together in a pile requires none. So that seems like a rather poor analogy.
Not really, PCs are actually near idiotproof to assemble these days, and a simple google search can give you everything you need to know from what goes where to build blueprints.
You can just as well "netdeck" a PC if you're not out to do esoteric stuff like coolant systems and glowing lights.
Apparently you don't know what "a bit" is and if you think assembling a PC is 'idiotproof' you've obviously not assembled any or very many at all.
It is very easy to ground the motherboard to the case on accident or forget to plug in a power connector somewhere. Hell some people forget to put the case mounted usb port connectors into their motherboard and wonder why they don't work.
and there are even finer points of PC building such as deciding running HDDs in Raid 0, 1, 5, or 10 and liquid cooling or overclocking your CPU/GPU. I don't think you know what you're talking about honestly.
PC hardware is standardized "plug card A into compatible bus-slot B" with a copious amount of "don't forget to discharge static before handling equipment," claiming that to be technical minutiae outside idiotproofness and yet refusing to acknowledge that netdecking a pile doesn't make you an instant expert on an archetype reeks of a disingenuous argument.
Besides, building a PC is not synonymous with ricing a gaming rig.
There was a time people built their workstations instead of ordering from the Dell catalog.
Look, it's obviously not as simple, but it is a good analogy. Putting a computer together really isn't difficult at all, and you probably could just watch a YouTube video and learn to do it. It's not like we're asking you to use liquid nitrogen cooling.
The analogy wasn't at the fact that putting it together is simple anyways. The analogy was that you're overpaying for putting it together. The value of putting it together is basically never worth what the value the retailer charges. You pay like a couple hundred for it, when in reality someone can do it in a couple hours. It's the same with this deck, we're overpaying because they've got everything nicely packaged and ready to go.
Grixis Death's Shadow, Jund, UW Tron, Jeskai Control, Storm, Counters Company, Eldrazi Tron, Affinity, Living End, Infect, Merfolk, Dredge, Ad Nauseam, Amulet, Bogles, Eldrazi Tron, Mono U Tron, Lantern, Mardu Pyromancer
Pretty much.
I still stand by the whole entire "you can net-build a PC" thing, though. I'll concede that, yes, when you get into something like "I want to cool my rig with beer!" then you can get into some real dangerous stuff that doesn't compare to what a cardgame does, but it misses the point intended by the analogy.
Prefabricated vs build-it-yourself. You pay for the service.
Well the problem here is that you confused a processor for a card and a motherboard for a bus.
Not even the socket, but the entire motherboard.
Namedrop parts and their incompatibilities all you want, you're dropping the ball in architecture.
I thought they put a hard to miss thing on the box that indicates what chip your board's built for, especially considering the incompatibility between AMD and Intel chipsets... I mean, average joe might punt this one thinking it's all the same *****, but when I said idiotproof I didn't mean to imply that they weren't going to RTFM...
Big Thanks to Xeno for sig art <3.
I think we all are sad about the lack of marsh flats and I think wizards misevaluated their target group for this product. Anyone who is interested in playing Magic competitively isn't going to want a subpar deck especially when it costs $75. No casual player is going to dump $75 into this. Additionally no competitive player cares about any of the craptastic 'goodies' in the box. Who wants terrible ultra pro sleeves and a spindown? OH A DECK BOX? OH MY!
Anyone interested in playing modern competitively and who is just getting into it would be better served by building a burn deck which is about the same cost as this deck and is actually a complete list that isn't missing crucial and integral parts.
I don't even understand why Wizards decided to put in the Sword if and left out the Squadron Hawks. Why not add a sorin? He is only like $5 and would make the deck a bit better. Sure you don't NEED him but he is a legitimately nice budget addition.
Is it the tokens?
It's gotta be the tokens, right?
But seriously, why give a sword to a bird when you can give it to a token instead? Please, someone tell me what I'm failing to recognize other than that the manabase could be more optimal. Other than the hand disruption suite. And the lack of a 4th Path. The way you people sound it's like you're criticizing the token producing part of the deck rather than the support cards.
Yes the deck is garbage. Some of us know how u feel. This was a chance to help ppl like u celestial get into modern and WOTC blew it.
The deck is half complete. What use is going 0 -9 in a modern ptq or gpt? How is that going to make a "new" to modern player want to continue?
So many ppl saying that players are expected to finish the deck with tseize and godless shrine. That does nothing to help optimise the deck as the bottleneck is the availability of fetches. Even fully powered bw tokens is uncompetitive tier 2.
Players can play at fnm? is this serious? Im not sure what a joke of scene passes for modern world in the usa but I have never seen an fnm where top tier pod or jund or affinity or uwr DIDNT show up. This deck will just lose and get the pilot laughed out of the fnm. Then they are in tears after blowing a not insignificant 75 on this pile.
Celestial has valid gripes.
Wotc are pandering to stores too much and shafting players.
Wotc are taking secondary market values too much in to account for all product now rather than just building good precons and making accessabilty easier.
And finally for celestial and 100, 000s of other competitive players, wotc is just giving them the eff you by not reprinting the cards they actually need to compete or creating new archetype that they can compete with
The b/w toekn lists that run swords generally run squadron hawk. At least they're cheap.
Therefore for most of us are not the target audience for this product. Therefore it is no surprise that we are not all happy about the product.
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I guess, but the way I see it it's a sort of redundancy.
Someone will probably want to smack me for suggesting this, but I always figured Lingering Souls to be Tokens' equivalent of Squad-Hawks.
Sure, they're more vulnerable to Echoing effects (ie Bile Blight, Maelstrom Pulse, Echoing Truth, etc) because spirit tokens never march out one by one, but past that they're cheap bodies that can carry gear like the best of them, no?
Hawk just curves better and since it isn't a token is slightly more robust.
Fair enough.
It's a common though, and the deck's enough of a base template that you can easily tweak for hawk-gear nanners, or drop that and focus on other things.
At the minimum, the Shrine has got to go. It's cute entry level filler but it could be so much more.
Like 2 extra IoKs.
I wonder what the sell value of the sword would be, if it could finance buying money uncommons...
Of course the deck has room to grow. Learning to deck build is a key part of playing magic. It's also missing obvious inclusion cards (that are available in standard and most people will have) which will make people want to trade for them to fill out the deck. Not only does that help them feel like the deck is their own but it also makes them want to go out and interact with other people to get those cards. This product does so many things right on so many levels. I'm perfectly content not wanting to purchase this product and would love to help out anyone who does buy it make it better. Hopefully I'll see some new faces at our future Modern tournaments. Kudos to WotC on this one. 10/10
Seconded. If I did not already have four (almost) complete T1,2 and 3 Modern decks, a full three sets of fetchlands, a set of lorwyn Seizes and enough cards to vary, I would be happy to have such a product.
If you find that the event deck does not add too much to your collection, like I do, consider yourself saturated up to a certain level.
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5678Expecting money cards in here was ridiculous to think would happen to begin with. Every getting into modern knows that those cards exist and would benefit the deck. Think if how attached to that deck a newer player would be once they got their first Marsh Flats into the deck. Think about all the cards that can be swapped out as the buyer decides. They will get this deck and make it their own and even just out of the box with some decent skill, this deck isn't stone cold terrible. Several cards can win games on their own.
If someone wants to play competitive Magic and can't justify putting $75 into it, they are going to be exceptionally disappointed with their Magic career. Entry to most high level events is $40. Let alone the cost of travel. If you fall into this category of player I think you need to reevaluate your priorities and stop expecting Wizards and other players to just give you tons of expensive cards for pennies on the dollar. Especially when you'll most likely still scrub out of high level play even with a properly built deck. So the deck isn't your deal. That's cool. Find the people who could use it, share your knowledge of Modern with them, and help them get into the format in a constructive way. I'm sure they aren't expecting to take down their first event. But improvement over time will make them feel good about their deck's improvement and their improvement as a player. Which I think is the real beauty of this product.
Expecting money cards in here was ridiculous to think would happen to begin with. Every getting into modern knows that those cards exist and would benefit the deck. Think if how attached to that deck a newer player would be once they got their first Marsh Flats into the deck. Think about all the cards that can be swapped out as the buyer decides. They will get this deck and make it their own and even just out of the box with some decent skill, this deck isn't stone cold terrible. Several cards can win games on their own.
If someone wants to play competitive Magic and can't justify putting $75 into it, they are going to be exceptionally disappointed with their Magic career. Entry to most high level events is $40. Let alone the cost of travel. If you fall into this category of player I think you need to reevaluate your priorities and stop expecting Wizards and other players to just give you tons of expensive cards for pennies on the dollar. Especially when you'll most likely still scrub out of high level play even with a properly built deck. So the deck isn't your deal. That's cool. Find the people who could use it, share your knowledge of Modern with them, and help them get into the format in a constructive way. I'm sure they aren't expecting to take down their first event. But improvement over time will make them feel good about their deck's improvement and their improvement as a player. Which I think is the real beauty of this product.