Is now as good a time as any to buy a push playset if I don't plan on using it now?
The FNM promos both increase supply and offer an alternative with its artwork that will shift demand towards a lower price point. If you have no plans on using them in a deck any time soon, just wait another month. That being said, odds are any additional decreases will be maybe a buck. The card just won't go below the $5-6 range due to its sheer power in all legal formats. If you can get a playset for $25 or less you're in okay shape.
Push just got a major boost in Standard. It now has an easy way to revolt aside from evolving wilds.
Is there something spoiled I'm missing?
Field of Ruin. Going to be a great card. Would not be surprised to see this in the $3 - $5 range.
What does this have to do with push though? Let's say the field is a staple, you're not going to be using it to turn on revolt, you're using it because some dirty land shenanigans are happening.
You are in eternal formats, including Modern. You are using it for Revolt in Standard. The lands just are not abusive enough in Standard to use it for anything else. Granted, we are going to get new flip lands, which may change things. But for now, it's just a way to revolt your Push. But what do I know? I quit playing standard a few months ago.
You are in eternal formats, including Modern. You are using it for Revolt in Standard. The lands just are not abusive enough in Standard to use it for anything else. Granted, we are going to get new flip lands, which may change things. But for now, it's just a way to revolt your Push. But what do I know? I quit playing standard a few months ago.
Right, but I'm saying you wouldn't run it to do that. It doesn't tap for colored mana, it doesn't deny resources, there are no lands worth killing, but you're that desperate to turn on revolt?
Given that Field of Ruin is an uncommon, it's going to take a lot for it to get up to the $5 range (pre-release price is 50 cents). It will see play, but I don't think this is the next Path or Push.
Given that Field of Ruin is an uncommon, it's going to take a lot for it to get up to the $5 range (pre-release price is 50 cents). It will see play, but I don't think this is the next Path or Push.
You are absolutely right. I will be surprised if Field of Ruin is higher than $3.00 in the incoming year.
The fact that they reprint modern cards actually makes it EASIER to speculate on the modern cards they don't reprint. The prices will rise in the non reprinted cards as they become more of an obstruction to completing the decks.
The fact that they reprint modern cards actually makes it EASIER to speculate on the modern cards they don't reprint. The prices will rise in the non reprinted cards as they become more of an obstruction to completing the decks.
Right, but we don't know which cards they will reprint until they do. Horizon Canopy is a great example. It's a card that spiked everytime a masters set came out because everyone thought it would be reprinted and then they didn't. Until Iconic Masters where the price dropped from $100 to the $50 it is now before the set was even released.
The fact that they reprint modern cards actually makes it EASIER to speculate on the modern cards they don't reprint. The prices will rise in the non reprinted cards as they become more of an obstruction to completing the decks.
Right, but we don't know which cards they will reprint until they do. Horizon Canopy is a great example. It's a card that spiked everytime a masters set came out because everyone thought it would be reprinted and then they didn't. Until Iconic Masters where the price dropped from $100 to the $50 it is now before the set was even released.
Precisely. Canopy will be ~$15-$20 a month into IM's release; Future Sight copies will retain more value, but the IM prints will readily available. This is the direction in which I see Modern trending for the foreseeable future, so if you're looking for spec targets, I'd advise against Modern. Exceptions being foils and other unique variations that don't suffer as much from reprints. Other than that, you're essentially left with Legacy/Vintage and the ship has started to sail for those formats as massive amounts of capital have been invested in buying out RL cards. This is great for the average player, *****ty for collectors, and bittersweet for the players who collect in order to maintain a self-sustaining hobby.
If you look at it from Hasbro's POV, you have a sizable chunk of your player base who are eagerly paying a premium for lesser amounts of cardboard that are used in standard sets with the only difference being the images on the cards. They're profiting not only from product sales, but from a reduction in materials cost. This will continue to be sustainable until either the market becomes flooded and/or card values dip to the point where their "premium" product is no longer worth the premium price tag. It's a fine line that WotC has had to walk for decades now, but I think we're starting to see Hasbro's fingerprints on more and more of the decisions which affect the equilibrium between collectors and players, ultimately shifting it toward whichever direction will result in higher quarterly earnings for their shareholders.
I mean anyone who had canopies before still made out like a bandit. Cards tend to spike pretty fast and fall off relatively slowly. As long as youre willing to sell the day after a spoiler you should be okay. I already have a list of post rotation standard cards and other tier 1-3 staples that im eyeing
Should I buy SoI Lilies now? Could she go below 30 in the following weeks/months?
I feel like it certainly can go down. When it rotates, it will go down. It is not used that often in Modern and when it is, it is a 1 of. I've never seen the card played in Legacy and I've seen some spicy brews.
I feel that the floor for the card is around $15 and I wouldn't feel like getting them when they're $20 (to save some time) isn't too bad either. In the end, it just depends on when you need them and how many. I should also clarify that I'm not taking the set into consideration. If it's literally the only playable from the set, like Voice of Resurgence was, then it could retain close to that price for a bit.
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Standard - Mono Red (6-2 and 5-3 in 2 McQ)
Draft - (I wish I had more time for limited...)
Commander - Norin the Wary, Grimgrin, Adun Oakenshield (taking forever to build) (dead format for me)
Looks like Mishra's Bauble is taking a nosedive. Personally I'm glad, it was way too high for an uncommon. Maybe I can pick up a set when the time comes for less than 10 bucks a copy. Hoping for between 5 to 7 bucks. Guess we will see.
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It's getting reprinted, and the only reason it was so high was because of incredibly limited supply, not especially prevalent use. If it settles above $3 I'll be surprised.
The only two uncommons from mm17 to settle above $3 are both in the top 10 most used spells in modern (Path and IoK). Bauble is around the 150th most used spell in modern.
Uh, supply and demand? The supply of Path and Inq is higher, but the demand is astronomical. Right now, the supply of Bauble is incredibly low, but demand is moderate. But when hascon revealed it's about to reprint, some vendors cut their prices pre-emptively because they'd like to try to get some money for it now than the less money they'll actually get once the new supply actually arrives and the price bottoms out.
It's getting reprinted, and the only reason it was so high was because of incredibly limited supply, not especially prevalent use. If it settles above $3 I'll be surprised.
The only two uncommons from mm17 to settle above $3 are both in the top 10 most used spells in modern (Path and IoK). Bauble is around the 150th most used spell in modern.
Bingo. Much like how Horizon Canopy subsequently climbed up in price following each new Masters set, Bauble's value is nearly all attributed to a limited supply and price gouging; it was a $3 card prior to MM15 and then an $8 card until it spiked in response to Suicide Zoo's success. Unless for some odd reason Bauble starts being played in multiple new archetypes, it'll barely miss being tossed into bulk bins once IM is released. By the same token, I expect the value of cards like Chalice of the Void & Gaddock Teeg to skyrocket overnight if we find that they won't be reprinted in the Masters 25 set.
It's getting reprinted, and the only reason it was so high was because of incredibly limited supply, not especially prevalent use. If it settles above $3 I'll be surprised.
The only two uncommons from mm17 to settle above $3 are both in the top 10 most used spells in modern (Path and IoK). Bauble is around the 150th most used spell in modern.
Bingo. Much like how Horizon Canopy subsequently climbed up in price following each new Masters set, Bauble's value is nearly all attributed to a limited supply and price gouging; it was a $3 card prior to MM15 and then an $8 card until it spiked in response to Suicide Zoo's success. Unless for some odd reason Bauble starts being played in multiple new archetypes, it'll barely miss being tossed into bulk bins once IM is released. By the same token, I expect the value of cards like Chalice of the Void & Gaddock Teeg to skyrocket overnight if we find that they won't be reprinted in the Masters 25 set.
I am so torn on Vengevine and MM25. I really don't want to pay the ludicrous prices asking for Vengevine since it tripled circa Aug 1, but if it might double or triple again on a non-reprint announce...
I want to pick up a playset of Collective Brutality(preferably prerelease stamped). These should fall starting next week right?
Per mtgtop8, it's been in 1.2% of top8 Standard decks the past two months, and 8.6% of top8 Modern decks the past two months.
Which is to say that its value is likely already propped up a lot more by Modern demand than Standard. Sure, maybe people that were holding them but not even using them purging their Standard collection at rotation may put some more into supply and slightly affect pricing. But I wouldn't expect much.
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The FNM promos both increase supply and offer an alternative with its artwork that will shift demand towards a lower price point. If you have no plans on using them in a deck any time soon, just wait another month. That being said, odds are any additional decreases will be maybe a buck. The card just won't go below the $5-6 range due to its sheer power in all legal formats. If you can get a playset for $25 or less you're in okay shape.
I would guess "Treasures".
Or maybe Field of Ruin? If the assumption is that the flip-lands become so prevalent that answers to them will be standard issue...
UR ....... WUBR ........... WB ............. RGW ........ UBR ....... WUB .... BGU
Spells / Blink & Combo / Token Grind / Dino Tribal / Draw Cards / Zombies / Reanimate
Field of Ruin. Going to be a great card. Would not be surprised to see this in the $3 - $5 range.
What does this have to do with push though? Let's say the field is a staple, you're not going to be using it to turn on revolt, you're using it because some dirty land shenanigans are happening.
Right, but I'm saying you wouldn't run it to do that. It doesn't tap for colored mana, it doesn't deny resources, there are no lands worth killing, but you're that desperate to turn on revolt?
You are absolutely right. I will be surprised if Field of Ruin is higher than $3.00 in the incoming year.
Anything, but nothing at the moment...
Modern:
WUBRGAmulet Titan, WUBRGHuman
WUBRAd Nauseam, WBRGDeath Shadow, UBRGScapeshift, UBRGDredge
WURJeskai Nahiri, WURCheeri0s, WBGCounter Company, WRGBurn, UBRMadcap Moon, BRGJund Midrange
UBTurn,BRGriselbrand Reanimator, WGKnight Company, RGRG Tron, RGRG Ponza, XAffinity, XEldrazi Tron
Right, but we don't know which cards they will reprint until they do. Horizon Canopy is a great example. It's a card that spiked everytime a masters set came out because everyone thought it would be reprinted and then they didn't. Until Iconic Masters where the price dropped from $100 to the $50 it is now before the set was even released.
Precisely. Canopy will be ~$15-$20 a month into IM's release; Future Sight copies will retain more value, but the IM prints will readily available. This is the direction in which I see Modern trending for the foreseeable future, so if you're looking for spec targets, I'd advise against Modern. Exceptions being foils and other unique variations that don't suffer as much from reprints. Other than that, you're essentially left with Legacy/Vintage and the ship has started to sail for those formats as massive amounts of capital have been invested in buying out RL cards. This is great for the average player, *****ty for collectors, and bittersweet for the players who collect in order to maintain a self-sustaining hobby.
If you look at it from Hasbro's POV, you have a sizable chunk of your player base who are eagerly paying a premium for lesser amounts of cardboard that are used in standard sets with the only difference being the images on the cards. They're profiting not only from product sales, but from a reduction in materials cost. This will continue to be sustainable until either the market becomes flooded and/or card values dip to the point where their "premium" product is no longer worth the premium price tag. It's a fine line that WotC has had to walk for decades now, but I think we're starting to see Hasbro's fingerprints on more and more of the decisions which affect the equilibrium between collectors and players, ultimately shifting it toward whichever direction will result in higher quarterly earnings for their shareholders.
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I feel like it certainly can go down. When it rotates, it will go down. It is not used that often in Modern and when it is, it is a 1 of. I've never seen the card played in Legacy and I've seen some spicy brews.
I feel that the floor for the card is around $15 and I wouldn't feel like getting them when they're $20 (to save some time) isn't too bad either. In the end, it just depends on when you need them and how many. I should also clarify that I'm not taking the set into consideration. If it's literally the only playable from the set, like Voice of Resurgence was, then it could retain close to that price for a bit.
Premodern - Trix, RecSur, Enchantress, Reanimator, Elves https://www.facebook.com/groups/PremodernUSA/
Modern - Neobrand, Hogaak Vine, Elves
Standard - Mono Red (6-2 and 5-3 in 2 McQ)
Draft - (I wish I had more time for limited...)
Commander -
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The only two uncommons from mm17 to settle above $3 are both in the top 10 most used spells in modern (Path and IoK). Bauble is around the 150th most used spell in modern.
Bingo. Much like how Horizon Canopy subsequently climbed up in price following each new Masters set, Bauble's value is nearly all attributed to a limited supply and price gouging; it was a $3 card prior to MM15 and then an $8 card until it spiked in response to Suicide Zoo's success. Unless for some odd reason Bauble starts being played in multiple new archetypes, it'll barely miss being tossed into bulk bins once IM is released. By the same token, I expect the value of cards like Chalice of the Void & Gaddock Teeg to skyrocket overnight if we find that they won't be reprinted in the Masters 25 set.
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I am so torn on Vengevine and MM25. I really don't want to pay the ludicrous prices asking for Vengevine since it tripled circa Aug 1, but if it might double or triple again on a non-reprint announce...
I'd wait. It's not going to go up again unless there's a deck that it works exclusively in.
Per mtgtop8, it's been in 1.2% of top8 Standard decks the past two months, and 8.6% of top8 Modern decks the past two months.
Which is to say that its value is likely already propped up a lot more by Modern demand than Standard. Sure, maybe people that were holding them but not even using them purging their Standard collection at rotation may put some more into supply and slightly affect pricing. But I wouldn't expect much.