So considering wizards seems to be taking a poop on modern, what are the odds they cash grab this MM17 and then starting printing modern stuff in eternal masters. IE putting the power level of this set at MM13 to get as much out of the format before suffocating it.
Value is good. But Dredgevine isn't supposed to be about value. It's supposed to be about V-8; 2000 pounds of nitro boosted war vegetables. The more velocity, the better.
Modern: DredgeVine EDH: Gisela, Blade of Goldnight Anima Standard:
What do you guys think of the expected value of Lili after MM2017 reprint? (assuming there will be at least 1/3 more of boxes in store than MM2015) Here in China there are ppl selling lili's at $60. Is it a good choice to buy them?
Look at the history of MM mythics. While they may see a slight dip in price directly before release and directly after, they always rise back up to their previous price.
It took a meta game shift towards burn/aggro and two printings to push Dark Confidants price down, and Goyf is still more expensive than he was before MM2013!
Look at the history of MM mythics. While they may see a slight dip in price directly before release and directly after, they always rise back up to their previous price.
It took a meta game shift towards burn/aggro and two printings to push Dark Confidants price down, and Goyf is still more expensive than he was before MM2013!
This post makes no sense. MORE PEOPLE are playing modern so the demand for Goyf has dramatically gone up. The fact that goyf is still 90-100ish is a miracle at this point.
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What do you guys think of the expected value of Lili after MM2017 reprint? (assuming there will be at least 1/3 more of boxes in store than MM2015) Here in China there are ppl selling lili's at $60. Is it a good choice to buy them?
Look at the history of MM mythics. While they may see a slight dip in price directly before release and directly after, they always rise back up to their previous price.
It took a meta game shift towards burn/aggro and two printings to push Dark Confidants price down, and Goyf is still more expensive than he was before MM2013!
This post makes no sense. MORE PEOPLE are playing modern so the demand for Goyf has dramatically gone up. The fact that goyf is still 90-100ish is a miracle at this point.
Right on.
Not to mention the absurd notion that reprinted card values are only decreased immediately before release and immediately after. Looking at MM15 as an example: Yeah, cards like Noble Hierarch, Karn, Spellskite, etc spiked after they were re-printed, but each of those cards saw their all-time low sometime between release (May) and December of that year. Essentially a six month time frame that gave players an opportunity to pick up what they needed; you don't need to be Barnaby ******* Jones to figure out that prices would start to increase again as more time passed, less packs were opened, and there continued a steady rate of demand. That doesn't factor in the period of time leading up to MM when some staples see a significant decline as people speculate whether they will be reprinted in the set or not. During this time, if you can't capitalize on the opportunity to pick up the reprints that you have you're eye on, then it's your own damn fault.
Here in China there are ppl selling lili's at $60. Is it a good choice to buy them?
Check them thoroughly for counterfeits would be my best advice.
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Here in China there are ppl selling lili's at $60. Is it a good choice to buy them?
Check them thoroughly for counterfeits would be my best advice.
If it is Chinese version, maybe.
But if it is English version, indeed, the price is much lower than I expect. The current eBay price is about $75, TCG price is $90.
Is it a good time to buy dark confidant? 40 $ on cardkingdom
If you want to save a little money I see several copies from about $30 to $35 each on ebay.
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STOP using "dude/bro" as a pejorative or insult. Grow up.
Margaret Thatcher: “The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.”
Benjamin Franklin: "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
Martin Luther King Jr.: "I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character."
Look at the history of MM mythics. While they may see a slight dip in price directly before release and directly after, they always rise back up to their previous price.
It took a meta game shift towards burn/aggro and two printings to push Dark Confidants price down, and Goyf is still more expensive than he was before MM2013!
This post makes no sense. MORE PEOPLE are playing modern so the demand for Goyf has dramatically gone up. The fact that goyf is still 90-100ish is a miracle at this point.
Right on.
Not to mention the absurd notion that reprinted card values are only decreased immediately before release and immediately after. Looking at MM15 as an example: Yeah, cards like Noble Hierarch, Karn, Spellskite, etc spiked after they were re-printed, but each of those cards saw their all-time low sometime between release (May) and December of that year. Essentially a six month time frame that gave players an opportunity to pick up what they needed; you don't need to be Barnaby ******* Jones to figure out that prices would start to increase again as more time passed, less packs were opened, and there continued a steady rate of demand. That doesn't factor in the period of time leading up to MM when some staples see a significant decline as people speculate whether they will be reprinted in the set or not. During this time, if you can't capitalize on the opportunity to pick up the reprints that you have you're eye on, then it's your own damn fault.
it looks like the data doesn't go back to mm15 release on your links.
I was able to get karn, noble, and skite for $35, $35, and $20 respectively after release. I believe mox opal was around $35-40 then too.
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big receipts
alpha mox emerald
beta time walk
4 goyfs received
3 liliana of the veil
4 karn liberated
3 force of will
4 grove of the burnwillows
snapcaster mage
3 horizon canopy
2 full art damnation
Personally I have nothing I am looking to get from MM17 as I usually play fringe decks anyway. In the past modern was more optimistic than it was now, will this have an effect on the prices going back up considering wizards is cutting its ties with the format? Growth for the format will be hindered with an overall less willingness to invest in it. I don't have an opinion either way I am just playing devil's advocate because I am curious.
Value is good. But Dredgevine isn't supposed to be about value. It's supposed to be about V-8; 2000 pounds of nitro boosted war vegetables. The more velocity, the better.
Modern: DredgeVine EDH: Gisela, Blade of Goldnight Anima Standard:
It turns out that all we needed for Goyf to lose 20 fast was for wizards to cut more of its modern support.
Snappy is falling a bit too, but not nearly as much.
what is this supposed to mean?
He or she is suggesting that a reduction in number of Modern GPs is causing the price of Modern staples to fall.
Playing millions of cards every turn... Slowly and systematically obliterating any chance my opponent has of winning... Clicking the multitude of locking mechanisms into place... Not even trying to win myself until turn 10+ once I have nigh absolute control... Watching my opponent desperately trying to navigate the labyrinthine prison that I've constructed... Seeing the light of hope fade and ultimately extinguished in an excruciatingly slow manner... THAT'S fun Magic.
We have 2-3 users that are dramatically making this thread incomprehensible and non-productive for anyone else to possibly join in the discussion. This needs to change.
Every time I see [ktkenshinx] post in here, I get the impression of a stern dad walking in on a bunch of kids trying to do something dumb and just shaking his head in disappointment.
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[M]aking counterfeit cards is the absolute height of dishonesty. Ask yourself this question: Since most people...are totally cool with the use of proxies...what purpose do [high] quality counterfeit cards serve?
Its also played a little bit in legacy. It is also one of greens card advantage engines.
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big receipts
alpha mox emerald
beta time walk
4 goyfs received
3 liliana of the veil
4 karn liberated
3 force of will
4 grove of the burnwillows
snapcaster mage
3 horizon canopy
2 full art damnation
Jesus, thats scary to see modern cards falling in price
Naw, that's pretty much to be expected. All the modern cards basically hold value strictly by the fact they are in demand for play. If that demand goes away the prices will be a lot lower than they are now.
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1. (Ravnica Allegiance): You can't keep a good esper control deck down... Or Wilderness Reclamation... or Gates...
2. (War of the Spark): Guys, I know what we need! We need a cycle of really idiotic flavor text victory cards! Jace's Triumph...
3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
Guys please opinions on japanese cards. Lost a 3/3 creature against Japan celestial colonade. This guy played all creatures and spells in english cards, but some cards in his manabase was japanese. I dont registrated this really ( my brain say its all fine and all english to me lets attack his empty board)...and i am sure it is a Kind of legal cheating. It is not ok, but i know legal. I Hate such people. I never forget colonade normally, but with this Tricks it can happen one time in 3 years and such people take advantage of this
If I am a customer spending premium amount of dollars, I expect a premium service. Jund falls into the category of a premium deck costing more dollars than a majority of the rest of the format. I'm not getting the desired performance ratio per dollars spent out of the Jund deck because WOTC decided to make the format more diverse.
It turns out that all we needed for Goyf to lose 20 fast was for wizards to cut more of its modern support.
Snappy is falling a bit too, but not nearly as much.
what is this supposed to mean?
the price of goyf is falling
Link to wherever you are seeing $20 price drops? It's been possible to snag Goyfs for +/-$90 off eBay for the last three months or so.
It turns out that all we needed for Goyf to lose 20 fast was for wizards to cut more of its modern support.
Snappy is falling a bit too, but not nearly as much.
what is this supposed to mean?
the price of goyf is falling
Link to wherever you are seeing $20 price drops? It's been possible to snag Goyfs for +/-$90 off eBay for the last three months or so.
Yeah, it took a $20 dip between July and now; par for the course trend in anticipation of Modern Masters. Definitely not a result of WoTC's announcement regarding modern support that happened like not even a week ago. It'd be great if that were true, however, because I'd scoop up $70 gofys all day.
I'm sure there's a handful of folks who are keen on MTGO prices, but most of the discussion is in regards to paper. MTGGoldfish is usually what I use to reference MTGO prices.
Online magic is just about the only place where modern and legacy can really be maintained realistically. WoTC has a snowballs chance in hell of keeping modern cards in print and affordable in paper long term because they only have so much print capacity and they keep doing 90% new cards each set. The card pool already has more cards in it than legacy did at the point modern floated in and the only thing keeping things from going completely out of control is that a good portion of that is unplayable outside of the limited format it's a part of. They can keep supporting top tier strategies, but then they might as well call it modern cube rather than non-rotating since the only cards really being maintained are the top tier. That being whatever was top tier during the design phase of the draft set for modern masters, which probably means at least a year ago.
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1. (Ravnica Allegiance): You can't keep a good esper control deck down... Or Wilderness Reclamation... or Gates...
2. (War of the Spark): Guys, I know what we need! We need a cycle of really idiotic flavor text victory cards! Jace's Triumph...
3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
Mmmmmm. Modern Masters season! I can't wait. Spoilers are 11 days away!
While it's always a crapshoot ordering early, I've locked in my 4 cases. Now to see what's going to be included.
We are pretty much assured Snappy and Lili, with Cavern and Goyf as possibles. Could also see Guide, Vial, Chalice and Bridge. Blood Moon is a no, Magic is moving away from 'unfun' as seen in Standard.
It's the little things that intrigue me at this point, the $10 - $25 cards.
Realistically modern cards won't plummet, If people start panic selling the prices go down. Considering one of the biggest deterrents to modern is the price, people will pick them up. There will always be a community who plays, even if it fades away it will have a player base. I have no intention of selling my modern decks because I enjoy playing them. If jund pieces start dropping like crazy I would gladly pick them up, I think jund would be a fun deck to play, it's just expensive to justify for me.
As for MTGO I think @colt47 nailed it. MTGO will be a place where vintage and modern will live on forever. Conisdering my last statement that there will always be people playing I think MTGO is incredibly safe, because if you can't find a tournament to play modern in your area you might sell your paper copies, but there will almost always be somebody online also looking to play that format. The cards are incredibly cheap and it's a decent platform to play on.
I am really thinking that Modern Masters 2017 is going to have some really good value. Like I mentioned early wizards is cutting it's ties with modern, so I can't imagine they continue with Modern Masters, assuming this is true they have no reason to not dump all of the value cards from modern (that don't see enough play in other formats to warrant their price) into Modern Masters 2017 to try and get everything they can out of the format before they leave it.
Value is good. But Dredgevine isn't supposed to be about value. It's supposed to be about V-8; 2000 pounds of nitro boosted war vegetables. The more velocity, the better.
Modern: DredgeVine EDH: Gisela, Blade of Goldnight Anima Standard:
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It took a meta game shift towards burn/aggro and two printings to push Dark Confidants price down, and Goyf is still more expensive than he was before MM2013!
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This post makes no sense. MORE PEOPLE are playing modern so the demand for Goyf has dramatically gone up. The fact that goyf is still 90-100ish is a miracle at this point.
Decks I'm playing in Modern right now:
URB Grixis Reveler (http://www.mtgvault.com/supast4r7/decks/modern-grixis-reveler/)
UB Faeries (http://www.mtgvault.com/supast4r7/decks/ub-fae-2/)
UW Azorious Control (http://www.mtgvault.com/supast4r7/decks/modern-ojutai-control-2/)
Oh yes.
Abzan Traverse / Traverse Shadow / UR Kiki
Right on.
Not to mention the absurd notion that reprinted card values are only decreased immediately before release and immediately after. Looking at MM15 as an example: Yeah, cards like Noble Hierarch, Karn, Spellskite, etc spiked after they were re-printed, but each of those cards saw their all-time low sometime between release (May) and December of that year. Essentially a six month time frame that gave players an opportunity to pick up what they needed; you don't need to be Barnaby ******* Jones to figure out that prices would start to increase again as more time passed, less packs were opened, and there continued a steady rate of demand. That doesn't factor in the period of time leading up to MM when some staples see a significant decline as people speculate whether they will be reprinted in the set or not. During this time, if you can't capitalize on the opportunity to pick up the reprints that you have you're eye on, then it's your own damn fault.
MM15 Karn
Hierarch
Skite
Link to Discord server where anybody from MTGS can keep up with thread topics while everything is being sorted out with the new site.
Check them thoroughly for counterfeits would be my best advice.
STOP using "dude/bro" as a pejorative or insult. Grow up.
Margaret Thatcher: “The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.”
Benjamin Franklin: "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
Martin Luther King Jr.: "I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character."
If it is Chinese version, maybe.
But if it is English version, indeed, the price is much lower than I expect. The current eBay price is about $75, TCG price is $90.
Anything, but nothing at the moment...
Modern:
WUBRGAmulet Titan, WUBRGHuman
WUBRAd Nauseam, WBRGDeath Shadow, UBRGScapeshift, UBRGDredge
WURJeskai Nahiri, WURCheeri0s, WBGCounter Company, WRGBurn, UBRMadcap Moon, BRGJund Midrange
UBTurn,BRGriselbrand Reanimator, WGKnight Company, RGRG Tron, RGRG Ponza, XAffinity, XEldrazi Tron
But if it's real, then hell yeah pick up LOTV for 60 dollars
If you want to save a little money I see several copies from about $30 to $35 each on ebay.
STOP using "dude/bro" as a pejorative or insult. Grow up.
Margaret Thatcher: “The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.”
Benjamin Franklin: "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
Martin Luther King Jr.: "I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character."
it looks like the data doesn't go back to mm15 release on your links.
I was able to get karn, noble, and skite for $35, $35, and $20 respectively after release. I believe mox opal was around $35-40 then too.
pucatrade
big receipts
alpha mox emerald
beta time walk
4 goyfs received
3 liliana of the veil
4 karn liberated
3 force of will
4 grove of the burnwillows
snapcaster mage
3 horizon canopy
2 full art damnation
Modern:
EDH:
Standard:
WUDeath&TaxesWG
Legacy
UBRGDredgeUBRG
UHigh TideU
URGLandsURG
WR Card Choice List
WUR American D&T
WUB Esper D&T
The Reserved List
Heat Maps
Its also played a little bit in legacy. It is also one of greens card advantage engines.
pucatrade
big receipts
alpha mox emerald
beta time walk
4 goyfs received
3 liliana of the veil
4 karn liberated
3 force of will
4 grove of the burnwillows
snapcaster mage
3 horizon canopy
2 full art damnation
Naw, that's pretty much to be expected. All the modern cards basically hold value strictly by the fact they are in demand for play. If that demand goes away the prices will be a lot lower than they are now.
1. (Ravnica Allegiance): You can't keep a good esper control deck down... Or Wilderness Reclamation... or Gates...
2. (War of the Spark): Guys, I know what we need! We need a cycle of really idiotic flavor text victory cards! Jace's Triumph...
3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
Link to wherever you are seeing $20 price drops? It's been possible to snag Goyfs for +/-$90 off eBay for the last three months or so.
Link to Discord server where anybody from MTGS can keep up with thread topics while everything is being sorted out with the new site.
Yeah, it took a $20 dip between July and now; par for the course trend in anticipation of Modern Masters. Definitely not a result of WoTC's announcement regarding modern support that happened like not even a week ago. It'd be great if that were true, however, because I'd scoop up $70 gofys all day.
Link to Discord server where anybody from MTGS can keep up with thread topics while everything is being sorted out with the new site.
Because there are some staples I am looking to pick up (Noble Hierarch, Voice of Resurgence, Snapcaster Mage, Kolaghan's Command, Collected Company, Geist of Saint Traft, Fulminator Mage, Grim Flayer)
but I'm not sure what would be a good timing to do so as the prices can fluctuate heavily at times.
I'm sure there's a handful of folks who are keen on MTGO prices, but most of the discussion is in regards to paper. MTGGoldfish is usually what I use to reference MTGO prices.
Link to Discord server where anybody from MTGS can keep up with thread topics while everything is being sorted out with the new site.
1. (Ravnica Allegiance): You can't keep a good esper control deck down... Or Wilderness Reclamation... or Gates...
2. (War of the Spark): Guys, I know what we need! We need a cycle of really idiotic flavor text victory cards! Jace's Triumph...
3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
While it's always a crapshoot ordering early, I've locked in my 4 cases. Now to see what's going to be included.
We are pretty much assured Snappy and Lili, with Cavern and Goyf as possibles. Could also see Guide, Vial, Chalice and Bridge. Blood Moon is a no, Magic is moving away from 'unfun' as seen in Standard.
It's the little things that intrigue me at this point, the $10 - $25 cards.
As for MTGO I think @colt47 nailed it. MTGO will be a place where vintage and modern will live on forever. Conisdering my last statement that there will always be people playing I think MTGO is incredibly safe, because if you can't find a tournament to play modern in your area you might sell your paper copies, but there will almost always be somebody online also looking to play that format. The cards are incredibly cheap and it's a decent platform to play on.
I am really thinking that Modern Masters 2017 is going to have some really good value. Like I mentioned early wizards is cutting it's ties with modern, so I can't imagine they continue with Modern Masters, assuming this is true they have no reason to not dump all of the value cards from modern (that don't see enough play in other formats to warrant their price) into Modern Masters 2017 to try and get everything they can out of the format before they leave it.
Modern:
EDH:
Standard: