Anybody else think ELDRAZI could be something in Frontier? I don't know anything about the format deck-wise so far... as to what's being played... but seems the Eldrazi are all quite cheap at the moment... TKS and Reality Smasher and their friends...
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Eldrazi are a thing in Modern because of Eldrazi Temple and the Tron lands.
You might be able to build some kind of ramp into Drazi but it won't be much stronger than we had in Standard.
Anybody else think ELDRAZI could be something in Frontier? I don't know anything about the format deck-wise so far... as to what's being played... but seems the Eldrazi are all quite cheap at the moment... TKS and Reality Smasher and their friends...
No tron lands and eldrazi lands. Ramp will pick the best top wnd creatures regardless of if they are eldrazi.
Well, after Fatal Push print I don't think ZEN fetchlands are nowhere near for a Standard reprint. Sam Stoddart in his latest Modern article (Link HERE) states:
Once we had a version of revolt that we liked, we knew that it would be an opportunity to create some very interesting cards for Modern.
This leads me to believe I should buy those Scalding Tarn sooner than later. Right?
If you want them get them, it's more that you shouldn't expect them to be reprinted not that they are going up. If you want to the play the cards and are fine spending the extra $50 per card as opposed to playing khans fetchs to overlap.
Value is good. But Dredgevine isn't supposed to be about value. It's supposed to be about V-8; 2000 pounds of nitro boosted war vegetables. The more velocity, the better.
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Hey guys, I was just browsing on mtggoldgish and I saw that Retract spiked to $10 recently! I can't find out why, is there some kind of Frontier deck or new modern deck around? I think I have a few copies somewhere.
Hey guys, I was just browsing on mtggoldgish and I saw that Retract spiked to $10 recently! I can't find out why, is there some kind of Frontier deck or new modern deck around? I think I have a few copies somewhere.
New Modern Cheerios deck building up.
About the fetchlands, the production is years ahead, so they should know Revolt + fetchlands synergy is coming and Fatal Push with fetchlands can break Standard. Say for example a Dark Jeskai 4c deck with FP and fetchlands. Really op. So, no to fetchlands while Revolt is here. Maybe MM, maybe 2 years later? Problem with that is Scalding Tarn is going to reach 80$ soon if we continue this way.
If I remember correctly it was $100 at one point. I was surprised when I saw you could pick up lightly played at 65, for tarn that's pretty good compared to what it has been in the past. It goes up and goes down but always seems to be $60-100. If it goes out of this range then I'll be surprised. It's a big range but Tarn is so unpredictable.
Value is good. But Dredgevine isn't supposed to be about value. It's supposed to be about V-8; 2000 pounds of nitro boosted war vegetables. The more velocity, the better.
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Hey guys, I was just browsing on mtggoldgish and I saw that Retract spiked to $10 recently! I can't find out why, is there some kind of Frontier deck or new modern deck around? I think I have a few copies somewhere.
New Modern Cheerios deck building up.
About the fetchlands, the production is years ahead, so they should know Revolt + fetchlands synergy is coming and Fatal Push with fetchlands can break Standard. Say for example a Dark Jeskai 4c deck with FP and fetchlands. Really op. So, no to fetchlands while Revolt is here. Maybe MM, maybe 2 years later? Problem with that is Scalding Tarn is going to reach 80$ soon if we continue this way.
If I remember correctly it was $100 at one point. I was surprised when I saw you could pick up lightly played at 65, for tarn that's pretty good compared to what it has been in the past. It goes up and goes down but always seems to be $60-100. If it goes out of this range then I'll be surprised. It's a big range but Tarn is so unpredictable.
Well it spiked from the low 50s to the high 80s within 2 hours when it was announced the fetchlands wouldn't be reprinted in BFZ. Then they spiked hard, above 100, in the end of December/early January with people likely buying into Twin. After the Twin ban, there has been no strong, consistent, reliable Tier 1 deck that relies on Scalding Tarn, so the price (along with other URx staples) have fallen consistently over the year. Most by 50% or more. I mean heck, Snaps are $35, Cliques are $24, and Cryptics are $18.
Regardless of reprint, the price is going to stay flat, or continue to fall, as long as there is no strong tier 1 deck requiring a playset.
Hey guys, I was just browsing on mtggoldgish and I saw that Retract spiked to $10 recently! I can't find out why, is there some kind of Frontier deck or new modern deck around? I think I have a few copies somewhere.
New Modern Cheerios deck building up.
About the fetchlands, the production is years ahead, so they should know Revolt + fetchlands synergy is coming and Fatal Push with fetchlands can break Standard. Say for example a Dark Jeskai 4c deck with FP and fetchlands. Really op. So, no to fetchlands while Revolt is here. Maybe MM, maybe 2 years later? Problem with that is Scalding Tarn is going to reach 80$ soon if we continue this way.
If I remember correctly it was $100 at one point. I was surprised when I saw you could pick up lightly played at 65, for tarn that's pretty good compared to what it has been in the past. It goes up and goes down but always seems to be $60-100. If it goes out of this range then I'll be surprised. It's a big range but Tarn is so unpredictable.
Well it spiked from the low 50s to the high 80s within 2 hours when it was announced the fetchlands wouldn't be reprinted in BFZ. Then they spiked hard, above 100, in the end of December/early January with people likely buying into Twin. After the Twin ban, there has been no strong, consistent, reliable Tier 1 deck that relies on Scalding Tarn, so the price (along with other URx staples) have fallen consistently over the year. Most by 50% or more. I mean heck, Snaps are $35, Cliques are $24, and Cryptics are $18.
Regardless of reprint, the price is going to stay flat, or continue to fall, as long as there is no strong tier 1 deck requiring a playset.
I agree, I agree, and I disagree on the price continue to falling. Don't forget Fatal Push is building the hype in a lot of Uxx Control decks right now. I mean, even Misty Rainforests will spike and the price will keep going up little by little.
Modern is expected to host many Uxx Control decks in the Tier 2 region with FT, and maybe just 1 in the Tier 1. But even if that may not happen, multiple T2 Uxx based control decks ensure the upping of the price of Tarns/Forests.
Maybe I'm skewed because I just spent four games last night siding out all my Pushes, literally every match, but I don't know if it will as massive an impact as predicted. Don't get me wrong, it's an awesome card and I am thrilled to have it. But it's not going to single-handedly solve the problems faced by tempo/control, and that's namely big mana decks that simply don't care about cards like that (Eldrazi/Valakut/Tron). Plus, being in black means it goes into many decks that do not require Scalding Tarn. Most Uxx decks planning to run push have plenty of budget options in their colors like Bloodstained Mire for Grixis; Polluted Delta for Grixis, Esper, UB; and Flooded Strand for Esper. While some people may buy into Scalding Tarns because they are optimal for Grixis, that's the only Push deck they go into. If the price of Tarn doesn't continue to trend down (eBay listings as low as $63), it will at least stay flat until Grixis is solidly Tier 1.
Fatal Push won't spike Tarn. Grixis already has the best creature removal suite in Modern next to Mardu. No one was thinking "Man, I'd play Grixis if it just had a way of answering creatures for cheap." It's just not happening.
If anything, look for Marsh Flats to climb somewhat, since WBx is the color combination that Push does the most for. Verdant Catacombs is already sky-high off of Jund and Junk, and the other black fetches are in much greater supply because they were in Khans.
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I'm not so sure they aren't reprinting Zen fetches. People have been wanting them for a long time, and Merciless Cut was pretty close in some decks to Fatal Push. That and Fatal Push doesn't really do anything else when revolt triggers besides let you kill something 4 cmc or higher. I don't expect to see Zen fetches in Amonket, though.
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1. (Ravnica Allegiance): You can't keep a good esper control deck down... Or Wilderness Reclamation... or Gates...
2. (War of the Spark): Guys, I know what we need! We need a cycle of really idiotic flavor text victory cards! Jace's Triumph...
3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
Mardu hands down has the best removal suite in the entire format, it just has no oomph in the creature department. If Stoneforge Mystic or some kind of mardu Goyf was available, it'd be giving the other GBx a serious competition for it's money.
Path, terminate, push, bolt, K-Command. Mardu needs a 2 drop bomb, it'd be so broken good
Cfusion, you are quit literally the only person I have not heard pumped up about Push, I've heard nothing but amazing things about the card
Cfusion, you are quit literally the only person I have not heard pumped up about Push, I've heard nothing but amazing things about the card
Push is great, but also pretty heavily misevaluated IMO in terms of its actual metagame impact. Pilots of established black decks – Jund, Junk, Grixis – are all seeming to come to that conclusion.
Struggling decks like Esper Draw-Go and UB Fae are where you're seeing all the excitement.
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Cfusion, you are quit literally the only person I have not heard pumped up about Push, I've heard nothing but amazing things about the card
Push makes good Grixis matchups better, the 50/50 matchups slightly better, and does literally nothing for the bad matchups. Like, I'm hyped for it, because it's a really sweet card, but it helps non-Bolt decks WAY more than it does Jund or Grixis, so I keep my hype realistic. It might motivate players (myself included) to build something in Esper, but it's a very minor upgrade for Grixis Delver, especially after just losing Probe.
We U/B Mill players are very excited about Push. Before, we had to splash into Esper for Path, which, while it worked well with Archive Trap, was not really the way we want to go. We much prefer they fetch, or we Ghost Quarter to keep them off a shock color.
Some are staying with Esper for the 8 removals, the rest of us are just happy we have creature removal other than Dismember and Set Adrift.
Now we do not fold to Bob, Goyf, Goblin Guide, Vexing Devil and other devastating 1 and 2 drops.
why the heck is Push not dropping yet? there will be PLENTY to go around as long as the set is in print, it's an uncommon, in the neighborhood of $5 all they people willing to pay that should already have their copies, it should be freefalling by now, how long can it possibly take before the market is flooded with them?
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why the heck is Push not dropping yet? there will be PLENTY to go around as long as the set is in print, it's an uncommon, in the neighborhood of $5 all they people willing to pay that should already have their copies, it should be freefalling by now, how long can it possibly take before the market is flooded with them?
Just because it is an uncommon doesn't mean there are a lot of them. I think it was remand in MM15 that was the uncommon that people were getting one maybe two per box. (might be a different uncommon from a different set, I just remember a decent value reprint uncommon that people were opening boxes and seeing between 0-2 per box) Just about anyone could tell this card would be good/popular so wizards might have done the same with this. Also most modern players want them because they are a great removal in black and any standard player looking to play black will want them so there is just a massive market for it.
Value is good. But Dredgevine isn't supposed to be about value. It's supposed to be about V-8; 2000 pounds of nitro boosted war vegetables. The more velocity, the better.
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Anyone care to comment about the Saffi Eriksdotter spike?
I have my playset so I'm not super concerned, but I'm curious why it is spiking out of nowhere.
If Renegade Rallier is really the reasoning for it, i'd be interested to see it in action.
I tried putting together a Saffi combo deck with Eldritch Evolution before, but if people are thinking this is a thing with legitimate proof I'd really like to see.
The recent SCG columbus classic's 2nd place deck is an Abzan Company list with 3 Ralliers and a Saffi. Apparently an alternate/new way to combo in it ? Or at the very least a resiliency tool. Not too sure on the specifics of how it plays.
Guys please opinions on japanese cards. Lost a 3/3 creature against Japan celestial colonade. This guy played all creatures and spells in english cards, but some cards in his manabase was japanese. I dont registrated this really ( my brain say its all fine and all english to me lets attack his empty board)...and i am sure it is a Kind of legal cheating. It is not ok, but i know legal. I Hate such people. I never forget colonade normally, but with this Tricks it can happen one time in 3 years and such people take advantage of this
If I am a customer spending premium amount of dollars, I expect a premium service. Jund falls into the category of a premium deck costing more dollars than a majority of the rest of the format. I'm not getting the desired performance ratio per dollars spent out of the Jund deck because WOTC decided to make the format more diverse.
why the heck is Push not dropping yet? there will be PLENTY to go around as long as the set is in print, it's an uncommon, in the neighborhood of $5 all they people willing to pay that should already have their copies, it should be freefalling by now, how long can it possibly take before the market is flooded with them?
Just because it is an uncommon doesn't mean there are a lot of them.
Actually, that's exactly what it means!
The set just hasn't been opened enough yet to meet demand. Wait a month.
the card itself really isn't worth the card board its printed on...does it serve a purpose? Sure its a blue 1 drop that might not be a 1/1. I would not put it in a list and expect to win a PTQ or GP though.
why the heck is Push not dropping yet? there will be PLENTY to go around as long as the set is in print, it's an uncommon, in the neighborhood of $5 all they people willing to pay that should already have their copies, it should be freefalling by now, how long can it possibly take before the market is flooded with them?
Just because it is an uncommon doesn't mean there are a lot of them. I think it was remand in MM15 that was the uncommon that people were getting one maybe two per box. (might be a different uncommon from a different set, I just remember a decent value reprint uncommon that people were opening boxes and seeing between 0-2 per box) Just about anyone could tell this card would be good/popular so wizards might have done the same with this. Also most modern players want them because they are a great removal in black and any standard player looking to play black will want them so there is just a massive market for it.
Remand wasn't unusual, 2-3 of any given uncommon in a box is average in a standard box, 2 per box in 24 packs isn't bad at all. the uncommons all have the same runs, but that's just so MANY boxes people are opening
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You might be able to build some kind of ramp into Drazi but it won't be much stronger than we had in Standard.
No tron lands and eldrazi lands. Ramp will pick the best top wnd creatures regardless of if they are eldrazi.
If you want them get them, it's more that you shouldn't expect them to be reprinted not that they are going up. If you want to the play the cards and are fine spending the extra $50 per card as opposed to playing khans fetchs to overlap.
Modern:
EDH:
Standard:
Spirits
there is a chance, but they have never printed a rare land cycle in a master set, so it's like a 1% chance
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If I remember correctly it was $100 at one point. I was surprised when I saw you could pick up lightly played at 65, for tarn that's pretty good compared to what it has been in the past. It goes up and goes down but always seems to be $60-100. If it goes out of this range then I'll be surprised. It's a big range but Tarn is so unpredictable.
Modern:
EDH:
Standard:
Well it spiked from the low 50s to the high 80s within 2 hours when it was announced the fetchlands wouldn't be reprinted in BFZ. Then they spiked hard, above 100, in the end of December/early January with people likely buying into Twin. After the Twin ban, there has been no strong, consistent, reliable Tier 1 deck that relies on Scalding Tarn, so the price (along with other URx staples) have fallen consistently over the year. Most by 50% or more. I mean heck, Snaps are $35, Cliques are $24, and Cryptics are $18.
Regardless of reprint, the price is going to stay flat, or continue to fall, as long as there is no strong tier 1 deck requiring a playset.
UR ....... WUBR ........... WB ............. RGW ........ UBR ....... WUB .... BGU
Spells / Blink & Combo / Token Grind / Dino Tribal / Draw Cards / Zombies / Reanimate
Maybe I'm skewed because I just spent four games last night siding out all my Pushes, literally every match, but I don't know if it will as massive an impact as predicted. Don't get me wrong, it's an awesome card and I am thrilled to have it. But it's not going to single-handedly solve the problems faced by tempo/control, and that's namely big mana decks that simply don't care about cards like that (Eldrazi/Valakut/Tron). Plus, being in black means it goes into many decks that do not require Scalding Tarn. Most Uxx decks planning to run push have plenty of budget options in their colors like Bloodstained Mire for Grixis; Polluted Delta for Grixis, Esper, UB; and Flooded Strand for Esper. While some people may buy into Scalding Tarns because they are optimal for Grixis, that's the only Push deck they go into. If the price of Tarn doesn't continue to trend down (eBay listings as low as $63), it will at least stay flat until Grixis is solidly Tier 1.
UR ....... WUBR ........... WB ............. RGW ........ UBR ....... WUB .... BGU
Spells / Blink & Combo / Token Grind / Dino Tribal / Draw Cards / Zombies / Reanimate
If anything, look for Marsh Flats to climb somewhat, since WBx is the color combination that Push does the most for. Verdant Catacombs is already sky-high off of Jund and Junk, and the other black fetches are in much greater supply because they were in Khans.
WUBRG Humans
BRW Mardu Pyromancer
UW UW "Control"
UR Blue Moon
1. (Ravnica Allegiance): You can't keep a good esper control deck down... Or Wilderness Reclamation... or Gates...
2. (War of the Spark): Guys, I know what we need! We need a cycle of really idiotic flavor text victory cards! Jace's Triumph...
3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
Path, terminate, push, bolt, K-Command. Mardu needs a 2 drop bomb, it'd be so broken good
Cfusion, you are quit literally the only person I have not heard pumped up about Push, I've heard nothing but amazing things about the card
Push is great, but also pretty heavily misevaluated IMO in terms of its actual metagame impact. Pilots of established black decks – Jund, Junk, Grixis – are all seeming to come to that conclusion.
Struggling decks like Esper Draw-Go and UB Fae are where you're seeing all the excitement.
WUBRG Humans
BRW Mardu Pyromancer
UW UW "Control"
UR Blue Moon
Push makes good Grixis matchups better, the 50/50 matchups slightly better, and does literally nothing for the bad matchups. Like, I'm hyped for it, because it's a really sweet card, but it helps non-Bolt decks WAY more than it does Jund or Grixis, so I keep my hype realistic. It might motivate players (myself included) to build something in Esper, but it's a very minor upgrade for Grixis Delver, especially after just losing Probe.
UR ....... WUBR ........... WB ............. RGW ........ UBR ....... WUB .... BGU
Spells / Blink & Combo / Token Grind / Dino Tribal / Draw Cards / Zombies / Reanimate
I think permission and reactive playing in modern is just not the way to go
Some are staying with Esper for the 8 removals, the rest of us are just happy we have creature removal other than Dismember and Set Adrift.
Now we do not fold to Bob, Goyf, Goblin Guide, Vexing Devil and other devastating 1 and 2 drops.
Just because it is an uncommon doesn't mean there are a lot of them. I think it was remand in MM15 that was the uncommon that people were getting one maybe two per box. (might be a different uncommon from a different set, I just remember a decent value reprint uncommon that people were opening boxes and seeing between 0-2 per box) Just about anyone could tell this card would be good/popular so wizards might have done the same with this. Also most modern players want them because they are a great removal in black and any standard player looking to play black will want them so there is just a massive market for it.
Modern:
EDH:
Standard:
I have my playset so I'm not super concerned, but I'm curious why it is spiking out of nowhere.
If Renegade Rallier is really the reasoning for it, i'd be interested to see it in action.
I tried putting together a Saffi combo deck with Eldritch Evolution before, but if people are thinking this is a thing with legitimate proof I'd really like to see.
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The set just hasn't been opened enough yet to meet demand. Wait a month.
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WUBRG Humans
BRW Mardu Pyromancer
UW UW "Control"
UR Blue Moon
Remand wasn't unusual, 2-3 of any given uncommon in a box is average in a standard box, 2 per box in 24 packs isn't bad at all. the uncommons all have the same runs, but that's just so MANY boxes people are opening