I detect just a hint of jealousy and bitterness at increasing costs.
When one of the founding principals of the Frontier format is low cost, I think that's a completely valid concern.
The byproduct is that cards which usually saw price drops after Standard rotation became easier to buy for eternal formats like Modern. Now that will no longer be the case, making all formats more expensive in the long run. I can use something like Gideon, Ally of Zendikar or Liliana, the Last Hope as example. These are fringe playable in Modern, but their prices are pretty dang high for what they do. Thanks to Frontier, their price won'd be going down any time soon. We have already seen this happen with many post-rotated cards, like Jace, Vryn's Prodigy.
Frontier is not good for player like you for such a reason. But Frontier is good for Standard players who want to move to non-rotation format in a easier way, where they can keep using their past Standard staples without much additional cost.
There is no win-win for everybody. You have to accept that there are different group of MTG players who wants to play some formats you do not enjoy to play with. There is no Evil at all.
3. Edit: Thing I'm not supposed to talk about yet, but y'all are denizens of the internet and will find out about it in a week or two when it goes public, and it's a HUGE thing that duel commander and tiny leaders never really got.
Could you clarify this a little? Is there some impending announcement coming or something?
I don't know how this thread became the "talk about Frontier thread," but I guess I'll throw my 2 cents in. My LGS had 4 players at their first Frontier Thursday Night Magic, including me. The other store I went to had 7 - this was 15 mi away on Thursday as well. Another store nearby the first one has it on Tuesday and they had 7-9 the 2 weeks they did it.
I don't think it's a particularly "good" format, but it is a reprieve from a really *****ty Standard. I don't know why people are getting their panties in a bunch here. It is not a format for Modern players in my opinion. It is for Standard players who have a Standard that was *****ty before 3 cards got banned and is now even *****tier. I personally don't think it's here to stay, but what do I know? (I am just playing it to practice game play more often and to get PW points.)
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Standard - Mono Red (6-2 and 5-3 in 2 McQ)
Draft - (I wish I had more time for limited...)
Commander - Norin the Wary, Grimgrin, Adun Oakenshield (taking forever to build) (dead format for me)
I don't know how this thread became the "talk about Frontier thread," but I guess I'll throw my 2 cents in. My LGS had 4 players at their first Frontier Thursday Night Magic, including me. The other store I went to had 7 - this was 15 mi away on Thursday as well. Another store nearby the first one has it on Tuesday and they had 7-9 the 2 weeks they did it.
I don't think it's a particularly "good" format, but it is a reprieve from a really *****ty Standard. I don't know why people are getting their panties in a bunch here. It is not a format for Modern players in my opinion. It is for Standard players who have a Standard that was *****ty before 3 cards got banned and is now even *****tier. I personally don't think it's here to stay, but what do I know? (I am just playing it to practice game play more often and to get PW points.)
Reasons for certain price spikes and thoughts on future modern prices keep circling back around to frontier. It is commonplace for modern players to pick up newer cards once they rotate from standard; one of the simplest and well-known methods for finding value in an otherwise expensive format. Theoretically, a healthy frontier format bridges the gap between modern & standard and eliminates that element of affordability. Modern being expensive isn't a new revelation, but the existence of this thread illustrates how savvy players can mitigate that cost by following market trends and making wise investments. Regardless of whether frontier is the result of players or influential vendors in the secondary market, it still impacts modern card prices as well as those players who put in the time and risk to get the most bang for their buck. The sheer amount of buying power/influence these vendors have leaves a bad taste in my mouth, but my only qualm with the format is its potential to keep card values inflated, thus making modern that much more cost prohibitive.
I understand why it would appeal to standard players, but at what point do we just call it Modern 2.0? Same concept and destined for the same price creep. I'm trying to be rational when thinking about the topic and I don't give a ***** if someone chooses to play frontier, because it's a game that has inherent value, which varies by player. However, using that same train of thought I think frontier is very relevant to modern prices and will continue to be so long as it's being played/shilled for. I'm fortunate to have the financial means necessary to continue playing modern now and in the future, so at the end of the day it doesn't really affect me. I just think it sucks for any player who might get priced out of the format, and while I don't think it necessarily hurts the growth of modern, I'm sure it doesn't help.
Tl;dr: Totally get what you're saying, but I think the frontier fad is a relevant topic when it comes to modern prices.
Also, what do you think about modern Cheeri0s in the post-ban meta? Might be mistaken, but I thought it was you who shed some light on the deck in the Bogles thread. I looked into it and seemed like it would be a blast to play, so I bought the pieces a week or two ago. It's looking like the word has gotten out, because Paladins and Retracts are selling like gangbusters on tcgplayer.
Whether or not Frontier is here to stay, this is pretty obviously a bubble. People are just speccing hard on Frontier playables because the format is new and exciting, and because stores everywhere are ramping up their support of the format (obviously, since it sells a lot of otherwise unmoveable cards). The demand for these cards is not what's driving up their prices. Expect Standard cards to return to their normal cycle of rising and dropping around rotation within the next year.
the card itself really isn't worth the card board its printed on...does it serve a purpose? Sure its a blue 1 drop that might not be a 1/1. I would not put it in a list and expect to win a PTQ or GP though.
I detect just a hint of jealousy and bitterness at increasing costs.
When one of the founding principals of the Frontier format is low cost, I think that's a completely valid concern.
The byproduct is that cards which usually saw price drops after Standard rotation became easier to buy for eternal formats like Modern. Now that will no longer be the case, making all formats more expensive in the long run. I can use something like Gideon, Ally of Zendikar or Liliana, the Last Hope as example. These are fringe playable in Modern, but their prices are pretty dang high for what they do. Thanks to Frontier, their price won'd be going down any time soon. We have already seen this happen with many post-rotated cards, like Jace, Vryn's Prodigy.
Frontier is not good for player like you for such a reason. But Frontier is good for Standard players who want to move to non-rotation format in a easier way, where they can keep using their past Standard staples without much additional cost.
There is no win-win for everybody. You have to accept that there are different group of MTG players who wants to play some formats you do not enjoy to play with. There is no Evil at all.
That is actually not true. Because now value cards NEVER reach a low point, and people who cant afford Jace in standard will never be able to pick up frontier. Standard is getting more and more expensive, with the limited print runs on every single rare and mythic, you will never see a price drop. People will rush to buy any value card if it gets even a little low, because hey, itll see frontier play. It's already happening with the main rares- with a few that havent yet because people don't want to support a format that is just noobs' attempt to make modern to their own liking. Nobody who has played since modern started wants to play frontier, and everybody who is new wants to try a longer-lasting format that requires less skill because the level of punishment for misplay is much lower, and home brews don't get ripped apart by efficient decks like affinity and jund.
Why it is good to see a price drop?
It is good only for people who do not have that card. But bad for for people who own that card.
There is no win-win for everybody. I just repeat it again.
Do you want Goyf price drops to $10 USD? If WOTC keep reprinting Goyf in Standard and achieve this goal, is it really a good news for every players?
Of course not.
Five years ago, Legacy players hates Modern format because the exist of Modern causes an increase of certain staples shared by Modern and Legacy. As a Modern player, how do you feel about those complains?
Now you want to make the same complain for the Frontier, it is just so called selfishness.
>> Standard is getting more and more expensive, with the limited print runs on every single rare and mythic, you will never see a price drop.
I do not understand this statement as well. Standard is not more and more expensive, if you compare the current Standard and the previous Standard (KTK-BFZ). And what does "limited print runs" mean for Standard cards?
Why it is good to see a price drop?
It is good only for people who do not have that card. But bad for for people who own that card.
There is no win-win for everybody. I just repeat it again.
Do you want Goyf price drops to $10 USD? If WOTC keep reprinting Goyf in Standard and achieve this goal, is it really a good news for every players?
Of course not.
Price drops aren't bad for people who own cards. They're bad for people who are currently selling or have plans to sell their cards. The effect of price changes on anyone who has the cards already and is intending on keeping them is vanity related at best. Example, I have my Goyfs, which I don't intend to sell. If Goyf drops to $10 tomorrow, I'll still have my Goyfs and I still won't intend to sell them. If the price drops to $10, shoots up to $450, and settles at $3 between now and when (if) I decide to sell, that's life. I don't have all of my savings tied up in cardstock.
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No sane person playing frontier thinks they will drop modern. They will definitely kill legacy and possibly redefine modern as the eternal masters format eventually if they do accept frontier and have yearly reprint sets for both modern and frontier.
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2. (War of the Spark): Guys, I know what we need! We need a cycle of really idiotic flavor text victory cards! Jace's Triumph...
3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
No, they won't. They won't even kill Vintage. They recently released Vintage Masters online and put in new power and ABUR Duals into the online stream. These cards are more expensive in paper obviously, but they're doing the opposite of killing these two formats.
No, they won't. They won't even kill Vintage. They recently released Vintage Masters online and put in new power and ABUR Duals into the online stream. These cards are more expensive in paper obviously, but they're doing the opposite of killing these two formats.
By gods man, we're talking about paper magic! Not that online abomination that sucks the life out of people and whose code was written by chimpanzees.
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1. (Ravnica Allegiance): You can't keep a good esper control deck down... Or Wilderness Reclamation... or Gates...
2. (War of the Spark): Guys, I know what we need! We need a cycle of really idiotic flavor text victory cards! Jace's Triumph...
3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
Were allowing the frontier talk because it effects card prices... but remember the thread is about card prices and what effects it. Flaming, trolling, or any other thing that isnt about the effect on prices is spam and will be treated as such.
Frontier hype is doing a wonderful job keeping very mediocre cards at prices much higher than they should be.
Yep. I was hoping to procure a play set of Smuggler's Copter for Frontier and Modern after it got banned. I offered $8 for a play set on facebook, but now I seriously doubt I'll get them for close to that.
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Standard - Mono Red (6-2 and 5-3 in 2 McQ)
Draft - (I wish I had more time for limited...)
Commander - Norin the Wary, Grimgrin, Adun Oakenshield (taking forever to build) (dead format for me)
Emrakul has a lot of EDH value, as they can cheat him out easily.
Smugglers copter may have the same thing.
Copter might go to Modern, but in what deck? I've not seen Affinity adopt it.
We speak of 'Casual favorites' or 'Casual demand', keep in mind Commander has exploded in popularity in the past 18 months. When I started in May '15, less than half the players in my area had edh decks. Now it's considered odd if you don't have one. EDH demand is a thing, as we saw with artifact spikes, and Doubling Season spike in November.
Give copter a little more time. EFro is posting Frontier deck lists daily on CFB and since the Standard Copter ban he's been trying to shove it in every Frontier list even remotely feasible in order to keep its price tag up. Once those articles get older and Frontier continues its drastic decline Copter will get cheaper.
Frontier hype is doing a wonderful job keeping very mediocre cards at prices much higher than they should be.
I don't think it's all frontier. There's a lot of commander demand going on, which is the reason Doubling Season is so darn expensive. I also think there is some banlist speculation going on still since wizards is doing more check ins than they used to if what they said in the last few articles they released is to be believed.
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1. (Ravnica Allegiance): You can't keep a good esper control deck down... Or Wilderness Reclamation... or Gates...
2. (War of the Spark): Guys, I know what we need! We need a cycle of really idiotic flavor text victory cards! Jace's Triumph...
3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
Frontier hype is doing a wonderful job keeping very mediocre cards at prices much higher than they should be.
I don't think it's all frontier. There's a lot of commander demand going on, which is the reason Doubling Season is so darn expensive. I also think there is some banlist speculation going on still since wizards is doing more check ins than they used to if what they said in the last few articles they released is to be believed.
Cards that see play in Commander are seeing spikes because of Commander. Cards that see minimal to no play in any other eternal format and are not legal in Standard are seeing spikes because of Frontier. Very few cards printed in the past few blocks are commanding high prices because of Commander; a format that only requires a single copy of any given card and can generally pull the best and most powerful cards in all of Magic's history. Plus, the cards spiking because of Commander are generally old cards with limited supply, not mass-printings of post-M15 cards that are readily available. It's pretty hard to deny the jump in card prices for cards specifically seeing play in the "top" Frontier decks, and nowhere else.
Frontier hype is doing a wonderful job keeping very mediocre cards at prices much higher than they should be.
I don't think it's all frontier. There's a lot of commander demand going on, which is the reason Doubling Season is so darn expensive. I also think there is some banlist speculation going on still since wizards is doing more check ins than they used to if what they said in the last few articles they released is to be believed.
Cards that see play in Commander are seeing spikes because of Commander. Cards that see minimal to no play in any other eternal format and are not legal in Standard are seeing spikes because of Frontier. Very few cards printed in the past few blocks are commanding high prices because of Commander; a format that only requires a single copy of any given card and can generally pull the best and most powerful cards in all of Magic's history. Plus, the cards spiking because of Commander are generally old cards with limited supply, not mass-printings of post-M15 cards that are readily available. It's pretty hard to deny the jump in card prices for cards specifically seeing play in the "top" Frontier decks, and nowhere else.
Yeah I'm not arguing that frontier isn't impacting the market. Just that there's some commander stuff going on in the later sets as well such as with Sidisi, Undead Vizier and Mirror Mockery.
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1. (Ravnica Allegiance): You can't keep a good esper control deck down... Or Wilderness Reclamation... or Gates...
2. (War of the Spark): Guys, I know what we need! We need a cycle of really idiotic flavor text victory cards! Jace's Triumph...
3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
Just wondering if the Khans fetches would continue to rise? The more expensive ones are almost 17 dollars now at SCG.
And also thinking if now is the right time to buy Smuggler's Copter.. I've wanted to test it in some Modern decks, but could not buy because high price. Now that it's banned in standard.. would it settle in 1 or 2 dollars? Or is it fine to buy one now at 5 dollars?
Frontier will keep spiking the fetchlands. Its not gunna change. I bought mine a few weeks ago because I saw that. Mana is always the first thing to spike in new formats.
While I'm sure newer player's minds would be blown, when modern was not even an official format, I spent 1 grand on fetchlands and shock lands. Shocklands were around 5-7 dollars for a playset back then. Modern got announced and within a week the shocks jumped up to about 20 dollars per card. I sold them off then, and pretty much owned everything you could own in modern back then.
Brag post aside, It's something that people are doing right now with frontier. I've been on the low key, buying M15 cards and on that I want (I dont wanna do spec buying anymore. I paid off college, so I'm good. Its super unhealthy for the game.) but havent been spiked by this bubble. Depending on if wizards supports the format, prices are going to sky rocket, and stabilize high for 2-3 months, before dropping but still staying high, or they will drop if wizards openly condemns the format.
Heres the list of cards the boat has already sailed on:
I'm sure I can find more... I'm working on an article about it now. But if you wanted something from that lower list but didnt buy it yet, I'd pull the trigger. Frontier hype isnt dying, saddly, so its going to inflate prices. If it becomes a supported format, all of those cards I listed will go up, some more than others, but they will. I dont suggest speccing on them, because unlike over extended, Wizards has been pretty clear they dont "love" frontier, but understand eventually they will need a format between modern and standard. But they dont like the starting point at all, nor do they think enough time has gone by.
At worst, no support happens and the hype dies, and the 3rd list I added will drop a few %. but not by much than now, so yeah.
Frontier will keep spiking the fetchlands. Its not gunna change. I bought mine a few weeks ago because I saw that. Mana is always the first thing to spike in new formats.
While I'm sure newer player's minds would be blown, when modern was not even an official format, I spent 1 grand on fetchlands and shock lands. Shocklands were around 5-7 dollars for a playset back then. Modern got announced and within a week the shocks jumped up to about 20 dollars per card. I sold them off then, and pretty much owned everything you could own in modern back then.
Brag post aside, It's something that people are doing right now with frontier. I've been on the low key, buying M15 cards and on that I want (I dont wanna do spec buying anymore. I paid off college, so I'm good. Its super unhealthy for the game.) but havent been spiked by this bubble. Depending on if wizards supports the format, prices are going to sky rocket, and stabilize high for 2-3 months, before dropping but still staying high, or they will drop if wizards openly condemns the format.
Heres the list of cards the boat has already sailed on:
I'm sure I can find more... I'm working on an article about it now. But if you wanted something from that lower list but didnt buy it yet, I'd pull the trigger. Frontier hype isnt dying, saddly, so its going to inflate prices. If it becomes a supported format, all of those cards I listed will go up, some more than others, but they will. I dont suggest speccing on them, because unlike over extended, Wizards has been pretty clear they dont "love" frontier, but understand eventually they will need a format between modern and standard. But they dont like the starting point at all, nor do they think enough time has gone by.
At worst, no support happens and the hype dies, and the 3rd list I added will drop a few %. but not by much than now, so yeah.
I think for the most part I agree with this. I have been picking up cheap cards in standard because there is a lot of fun stuff that doesn't see a lot of play. Tango lands will definitely be going up if frontier takes off because they don't have shocks so they have to fetch something. I also have been picking up sub $1 Commander stuff. Namely any artifacts at rare/mythic with unique abilities because they fit in most decks and mostly have very exclusive abilities. Another good investment seems to be random multicolor power legendaries. Like Lantern mentioned the Tarkir Dragons are all really powerful, I also like Sigarda and Rashmi as they are legendaries that are fun. If I ever see a foil legendary mythic that is halfway decent under $10 I usually pick one up as Most Legendary mythics are upwards of $20 even going to $40.
Other cards I have been interested in: Mind's Dilation- Powerful blue legendary. Feels like another cast through time but also feels fun in commander. Sigarda's Aid-This card is absolutely crazy in commander and makes equiptment more viable elsewhere. This is great with voltron and pretty much any deck that plays a decent amount of equiptments. Throwing swords on unblocked creatures at instant speed with no equipt cost? Sorry I just love this card Hope of Ghirapur- Unique ability to modern/frontier Animation Module- Feels good in allies
I should also note I don't buy cards I don't like, even if other people say they will spike or have good investment potential. If I buy a card I want to have a desire to play the card, if it goes up then I can trade it or sell it, if it doesn't play it and not mind getting stuck with it.
Value is good. But Dredgevine isn't supposed to be about value. It's supposed to be about V-8; 2000 pounds of nitro boosted war vegetables. The more velocity, the better.
Modern: DredgeVine EDH: Gisela, Blade of Goldnight Anima Standard:
I think a huge sleeper in Frontier could be [[Cryptolith Rite]]. Inspiring Statuary hurt it a bit, but the ability to turn all your creatures into [[Birds of Paradise]] could have some very interesting ramp implications, esp with all of the token generators. All you need is haste, and ugly things happen very quickly.
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Frontier is not good for player like you for such a reason. But Frontier is good for Standard players who want to move to non-rotation format in a easier way, where they can keep using their past Standard staples without much additional cost.
There is no win-win for everybody. You have to accept that there are different group of MTG players who wants to play some formats you do not enjoy to play with. There is no Evil at all.
Anything, but nothing at the moment...
Modern:
WUBRGAmulet Titan, WUBRGHuman
WUBRAd Nauseam, WBRGDeath Shadow, UBRGScapeshift, UBRGDredge
WURJeskai Nahiri, WURCheeri0s, WBGCounter Company, WRGBurn, UBRMadcap Moon, BRGJund Midrange
UBTurn,BRGriselbrand Reanimator, WGKnight Company, RGRG Tron, RGRG Ponza, XAffinity, XEldrazi Tron
Could you clarify this a little? Is there some impending announcement coming or something?
Wizards endorses Frontier, and prices spike.
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Because $90 JVP in Standard wasn't bad enough, we need him to be above $100 in Frontier as a 4x staple in ~30% of decks.
UR ....... WUBR ........... WB ............. RGW ........ UBR ....... WUB .... BGU
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I don't think it's a particularly "good" format, but it is a reprieve from a really *****ty Standard. I don't know why people are getting their panties in a bunch here. It is not a format for Modern players in my opinion. It is for Standard players who have a Standard that was *****ty before 3 cards got banned and is now even *****tier. I personally don't think it's here to stay, but what do I know? (I am just playing it to practice game play more often and to get PW points.)
Premodern - Trix, RecSur, Enchantress, Reanimator, Elves https://www.facebook.com/groups/PremodernUSA/
Modern - Neobrand, Hogaak Vine, Elves
Standard - Mono Red (6-2 and 5-3 in 2 McQ)
Draft - (I wish I had more time for limited...)
Commander -
Norin the Wary, Grimgrin, Adun Oakenshield (taking forever to build)(dead format for me)Reasons for certain price spikes and thoughts on future modern prices keep circling back around to frontier. It is commonplace for modern players to pick up newer cards once they rotate from standard; one of the simplest and well-known methods for finding value in an otherwise expensive format. Theoretically, a healthy frontier format bridges the gap between modern & standard and eliminates that element of affordability. Modern being expensive isn't a new revelation, but the existence of this thread illustrates how savvy players can mitigate that cost by following market trends and making wise investments. Regardless of whether frontier is the result of players or influential vendors in the secondary market, it still impacts modern card prices as well as those players who put in the time and risk to get the most bang for their buck. The sheer amount of buying power/influence these vendors have leaves a bad taste in my mouth, but my only qualm with the format is its potential to keep card values inflated, thus making modern that much more cost prohibitive.
I understand why it would appeal to standard players, but at what point do we just call it Modern 2.0? Same concept and destined for the same price creep. I'm trying to be rational when thinking about the topic and I don't give a ***** if someone chooses to play frontier, because it's a game that has inherent value, which varies by player. However, using that same train of thought I think frontier is very relevant to modern prices and will continue to be so long as it's being played/shilled for. I'm fortunate to have the financial means necessary to continue playing modern now and in the future, so at the end of the day it doesn't really affect me. I just think it sucks for any player who might get priced out of the format, and while I don't think it necessarily hurts the growth of modern, I'm sure it doesn't help.
Tl;dr: Totally get what you're saying, but I think the frontier fad is a relevant topic when it comes to modern prices.
Also, what do you think about modern Cheeri0s in the post-ban meta? Might be mistaken, but I thought it was you who shed some light on the deck in the Bogles thread. I looked into it and seemed like it would be a blast to play, so I bought the pieces a week or two ago. It's looking like the word has gotten out, because Paladins and Retracts are selling like gangbusters on tcgplayer.
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Why it is good to see a price drop?
It is good only for people who do not have that card. But bad for for people who own that card.
There is no win-win for everybody. I just repeat it again.
Do you want Goyf price drops to $10 USD? If WOTC keep reprinting Goyf in Standard and achieve this goal, is it really a good news for every players?
Of course not.
Five years ago, Legacy players hates Modern format because the exist of Modern causes an increase of certain staples shared by Modern and Legacy. As a Modern player, how do you feel about those complains?
Now you want to make the same complain for the Frontier, it is just so called selfishness.
>> Standard is getting more and more expensive, with the limited print runs on every single rare and mythic, you will never see a price drop.
I do not understand this statement as well. Standard is not more and more expensive, if you compare the current Standard and the previous Standard (KTK-BFZ). And what does "limited print runs" mean for Standard cards?
Anything, but nothing at the moment...
Modern:
WUBRGAmulet Titan, WUBRGHuman
WUBRAd Nauseam, WBRGDeath Shadow, UBRGScapeshift, UBRGDredge
WURJeskai Nahiri, WURCheeri0s, WBGCounter Company, WRGBurn, UBRMadcap Moon, BRGJund Midrange
UBTurn,BRGriselbrand Reanimator, WGKnight Company, RGRG Tron, RGRG Ponza, XAffinity, XEldrazi Tron
1. (Ravnica Allegiance): You can't keep a good esper control deck down... Or Wilderness Reclamation... or Gates...
2. (War of the Spark): Guys, I know what we need! We need a cycle of really idiotic flavor text victory cards! Jace's Triumph...
3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
No, they won't. They won't even kill Vintage. They recently released Vintage Masters online and put in new power and ABUR Duals into the online stream. These cards are more expensive in paper obviously, but they're doing the opposite of killing these two formats.
Standard: lol no
Modern: BG/x, UR/x, Burn, Merfolk, Zoo, Storm
Legacy: Shardless BUG, Delver (BUG, RUG, Grixis), Landstill, Depths Combo, Merfolk
Vintage: Dark Times, BUG Fish, Merfolk
EDH: Teysa, Orzhov Scion / Krenko, Mob Boss / Stonebrow, Krosan Hero
By gods man, we're talking about paper magic! Not that online abomination that sucks the life out of people and whose code was written by chimpanzees.
1. (Ravnica Allegiance): You can't keep a good esper control deck down... Or Wilderness Reclamation... or Gates...
2. (War of the Spark): Guys, I know what we need! We need a cycle of really idiotic flavor text victory cards! Jace's Triumph...
3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
UR ....... WUBR ........... WB ............. RGW ........ UBR ....... WUB .... BGU
Spells / Blink & Combo / Token Grind / Dino Tribal / Draw Cards / Zombies / Reanimate
Yep. I was hoping to procure a play set of Smuggler's Copter for Frontier and Modern after it got banned. I offered $8 for a play set on facebook, but now I seriously doubt I'll get them for close to that.
Premodern - Trix, RecSur, Enchantress, Reanimator, Elves https://www.facebook.com/groups/PremodernUSA/
Modern - Neobrand, Hogaak Vine, Elves
Standard - Mono Red (6-2 and 5-3 in 2 McQ)
Draft - (I wish I had more time for limited...)
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Norin the Wary, Grimgrin, Adun Oakenshield (taking forever to build)(dead format for me)Smugglers copter may have the same thing.
Copter might go to Modern, but in what deck? I've not seen Affinity adopt it.
We speak of 'Casual favorites' or 'Casual demand', keep in mind Commander has exploded in popularity in the past 18 months. When I started in May '15, less than half the players in my area had edh decks. Now it's considered odd if you don't have one. EDH demand is a thing, as we saw with artifact spikes, and Doubling Season spike in November.
Standard: lol no
Modern: BG/x, UR/x, Burn, Merfolk, Zoo, Storm
Legacy: Shardless BUG, Delver (BUG, RUG, Grixis), Landstill, Depths Combo, Merfolk
Vintage: Dark Times, BUG Fish, Merfolk
EDH: Teysa, Orzhov Scion / Krenko, Mob Boss / Stonebrow, Krosan Hero
I don't think it's all frontier. There's a lot of commander demand going on, which is the reason Doubling Season is so darn expensive. I also think there is some banlist speculation going on still since wizards is doing more check ins than they used to if what they said in the last few articles they released is to be believed.
1. (Ravnica Allegiance): You can't keep a good esper control deck down... Or Wilderness Reclamation... or Gates...
2. (War of the Spark): Guys, I know what we need! We need a cycle of really idiotic flavor text victory cards! Jace's Triumph...
3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
Cards that see play in Commander are seeing spikes because of Commander. Cards that see minimal to no play in any other eternal format and are not legal in Standard are seeing spikes because of Frontier. Very few cards printed in the past few blocks are commanding high prices because of Commander; a format that only requires a single copy of any given card and can generally pull the best and most powerful cards in all of Magic's history. Plus, the cards spiking because of Commander are generally old cards with limited supply, not mass-printings of post-M15 cards that are readily available. It's pretty hard to deny the jump in card prices for cards specifically seeing play in the "top" Frontier decks, and nowhere else.
UR ....... WUBR ........... WB ............. RGW ........ UBR ....... WUB .... BGU
Spells / Blink & Combo / Token Grind / Dino Tribal / Draw Cards / Zombies / Reanimate
Yeah I'm not arguing that frontier isn't impacting the market. Just that there's some commander stuff going on in the later sets as well such as with Sidisi, Undead Vizier and Mirror Mockery.
1. (Ravnica Allegiance): You can't keep a good esper control deck down... Or Wilderness Reclamation... or Gates...
2. (War of the Spark): Guys, I know what we need! We need a cycle of really idiotic flavor text victory cards! Jace's Triumph...
3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
And also thinking if now is the right time to buy Smuggler's Copter.. I've wanted to test it in some Modern decks, but could not buy because high price. Now that it's banned in standard.. would it settle in 1 or 2 dollars? Or is it fine to buy one now at 5 dollars?
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While I'm sure newer player's minds would be blown, when modern was not even an official format, I spent 1 grand on fetchlands and shock lands. Shocklands were around 5-7 dollars for a playset back then. Modern got announced and within a week the shocks jumped up to about 20 dollars per card. I sold them off then, and pretty much owned everything you could own in modern back then.
Brag post aside, It's something that people are doing right now with frontier. I've been on the low key, buying M15 cards and on that I want (I dont wanna do spec buying anymore. I paid off college, so I'm good. Its super unhealthy for the game.) but havent been spiked by this bubble. Depending on if wizards supports the format, prices are going to sky rocket, and stabilize high for 2-3 months, before dropping but still staying high, or they will drop if wizards openly condemns the format.
Heres the list of cards the boat has already sailed on:
Cards that still have a little room to increase, but are topping out:
Here's my short list of stuff that will spike sooner rather than later:
I'm sure I can find more... I'm working on an article about it now. But if you wanted something from that lower list but didnt buy it yet, I'd pull the trigger. Frontier hype isnt dying, saddly, so its going to inflate prices. If it becomes a supported format, all of those cards I listed will go up, some more than others, but they will. I dont suggest speccing on them, because unlike over extended, Wizards has been pretty clear they dont "love" frontier, but understand eventually they will need a format between modern and standard. But they dont like the starting point at all, nor do they think enough time has gone by.
At worst, no support happens and the hype dies, and the 3rd list I added will drop a few %. but not by much than now, so yeah.
Other cards I have been interested in:
Mind's Dilation- Powerful blue legendary. Feels like another cast through time but also feels fun in commander.
Sigarda's Aid-This card is absolutely crazy in commander and makes equiptment more viable elsewhere. This is great with voltron and pretty much any deck that plays a decent amount of equiptments. Throwing swords on unblocked creatures at instant speed with no equipt cost? Sorry I just love this card
Hope of Ghirapur- Unique ability to modern/frontier
Animation Module- Feels good in allies
I should also note I don't buy cards I don't like, even if other people say they will spike or have good investment potential. If I buy a card I want to have a desire to play the card, if it goes up then I can trade it or sell it, if it doesn't play it and not mind getting stuck with it.
Modern:
EDH:
Standard: