Can we please return to talking about card prices rather than price theory. Or can we get them in two different threads.
+1 for card prices instead of price theory.
-1,000,000 for separate price theory thread. That sounds like a nightmare.
In other news, I'm on the fence about selling my Goblin Guides now or waiting until EMA. If I sell them now and they get reprinted, I'm going to make a healthy margin, especially if they get reprinted at rare. If I wait and they get reprinted, I'm not losing money on my initial investment (bought them in 2011) but I am losing the chance to make more. That said, if I wait and they are NOT reprinted, I feel like Guides are going to skyrocket. Thoughts?
I actually think that Goblin Guide will see a reprint in MM17, not EMA. I, however, do not believe that we'll see the price skyrocket if it isn't reprinted in EMA. It may grow another $10 or so, but I don't see it doubling.
My belief is that EMA will have a lot of reprints of cards 10+ years old. I don't think we'll see too many from the last 5-6 years. That's Modern Masters territory.
Can we please return to talking about card prices rather than price theory. Or can we get them in two different threads.
+1 for card prices instead of price theory.
-1,000,000 for separate price theory thread. That sounds like a nightmare.
In other news, I'm on the fence about selling my Goblin Guides now or waiting until EMA. If I sell them now and they get reprinted, I'm going to make a healthy margin, especially if they get reprinted at rare. If I wait and they get reprinted, I'm not losing money on my initial investment (bought them in 2011) but I am losing the chance to make more. That said, if I wait and they are NOT reprinted, I feel like Guides are going to skyrocket. Thoughts?
do you play them or do you expect to play them? Worst case is you sell and they're not reprinted. Cost goes up and you lose if you rebuy.
What are your opinions on Sylvan Advocate in Modern? Does it have a chance or is it dwarfed out by Tarmogoyf and Scavenging Ooze and such? Just wondering... as right now regulars are at $8 and foils are at $10... seems like a nice possible pickup?
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Can we please return to talking about card prices rather than price theory. Or can we get them in two different threads.
+1 for card prices instead of price theory.
-1,000,000 for separate price theory thread. That sounds like a nightmare.
In other news, I'm on the fence about selling my Goblin Guides now or waiting until EMA. If I sell them now and they get reprinted, I'm going to make a healthy margin, especially if they get reprinted at rare. If I wait and they get reprinted, I'm not losing money on my initial investment (bought them in 2011) but I am losing the chance to make more. That said, if I wait and they are NOT reprinted, I feel like Guides are going to skyrocket. Thoughts?
Really depends on if you are using them. If you are going to use them regularly for the next six months, it probably isn't worth the hassle. Personally, I have always valued the consistency and worry-free nature of just keeping cards I plan on using, rather than trying to wring extra monetary value on a single playset. If you had 200 copies, that would be a different story.
If you aren't going to use them, I would dump them now. Safely get your healthy return.
What are your opinions on Sylvan Advocate in Modern? Does it have a chance or is it dwarfed out by Tarmogoyf and Scavenging Ooze and such? Just wondering... as right now regulars are at $8 and foils are at $10... seems like a nice possible pickup?
Thing is, Tarmogoyf can be a 4/5 the turn it lands and grow bigger than that. Scavenging Ooze has both immediate and long term value for growing and dealing with graveyards. Sylvan Advocate is only good if you have 6 or more lands, and otherwise is just a vigilance 2/3 with no other abilities.
Dude, the possibilities of the game are literally infinite. Why reprint cards when their is literally no limit save previous design space? Reprints are small thinking.
And of course it moves towards elitism. Thats one of many results when you have something someone else wants. And yes the game has to adapt and evolve as does WotC strategy for marketing and providing. And no WotC cannot put themselves in the position to be the best avenue to get old cards. If they do that, b&m businesses will dry up nearly overnight and then the online retailers a week or two later. Then you get to go to walmart to by your cards and have tournaments exactly nowhere because no one will sponsor it. WotC and Hasbro are big but they are not big enough to keep magic alive by themselves.
Don't you see? The gaming stores are what keep the doors open for WotC. They have have no stake in it?? My god they have everything to lose in it.
I'm not against what your saying. I want folks coming into the game and working into the other formats too. There has to be a cost barrier though because otherwise value will diminish. I think WotC has a pretty good system in place. And it will stay in place until sales numbers and attendance numbers start dropping.
Yes, design space is nearly limitless (nearly) but there will always be a "best" version of a card. What do you want in modern Thoughtseize/INQ or despise? The best card must be reprinted in supplemental sets at least. They can't design too many cards that are functionally the same because then that leads to super redundant decks. Look at EGGS. It was an ok deck that nobody played until it got redundancy from having two "sunrise" effects. If they reprinted Second sunrise instead of faith's reward, the deck would still only have 4 copies of that card. Design space is limited in that there will still only be X number of cards that's good. In rotating formats design space is limitless, but in older formats that 1 card will always be the best.
Yes, I know that gaming stores are what moves Wizards products. I also believe, as someone who's studied business, that if your business model is to rely on a secondary market in major flux, you deserve whatever comes to you. It's a high risk/high reward situation for game stores to buy/sell singles. I would much rather have innovation at the business model level, rather than copy paste stores who just sit on a pile of cards and make their money off that. You NEED to have a stable form of income and singles are not that.
I, and many people aren't saying there shouldn't be a cost barrier, we're just saying it's too high right now. Modern was created with the intention of providing an "eternal" format that wasn't bogged down by reserved list and was more able to have MEANINGFUL reprints. The pace and amount of reprints coming out keeps the format high, or, as with both MM sets, raises the overall cost of the format.
What are your opinions on Sylvan Advocate in Modern? Does it have a chance or is it dwarfed out by Tarmogoyf and Scavenging Ooze and such? Just wondering... as right now regulars are at $8 and foils are at $10... seems like a nice possible pickup?
in modern is a 2/3 for 2, pretty meh.
6 lands is something in standard, in modern thats late game. Tarmo and ooze are better than sylvan advocate, and i dont think a deck need a 9th 2 green drop.
after rotation sylvan advocate will be .5 or less.
Honestly that might be a good grab. Any deck that can consistently hit six lands could be a home for it. It has an ability and two relevant creature types. Not bolt proof early by itself so there is a minor drawback there. IDK, seems like a reasonable buy.
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Affinity EDH W Akroma GBW Ghave BRU Thrax GR Ruric I advocate for the elimination of the combo archetype in Modern. I believe it is degenerate and unfun by its very nature and will always limit design space and cause unnecessary bans.
I, and many people aren't saying there shouldn't be a cost barrier, we're just saying it's too high right now. Modern was created with the intention of providing an "eternal" format that wasn't bogged down by reserved list and was more able to have MEANINGFUL reprints. The pace and amount of reprints coming out keeps the format high, or, as with both MM sets, raises the overall cost of the format.
This is a thorough misunderstanding of the problem - prices are high because the popularity of the format and of the game itself, NOT due to accessibility or the amount of reprints. Magic, like anything else, is subject to inflation and demand, and we're seeing inflated prices due to skyrocketing demand. Period. Wizards CAN NOT do anything about this short of unlimited print runs which jeopardizes their ability to still be a collectible card games that people feel safe both buying into and that they are proud of.
For all of the talk about Wizards 'needing' to do this or that in regards to Hearthstone or Hex or FOW - I don't buy it. The game is only getting more and more popular as time goes on. Wizards is NOT scraping the bottom of the barrel looking for any players they can get, prices are NOT shrinking (because demand is not!!), Modern is STILL incredibly popular and has tons of interest... There are tons of statements being made in here about the price being too high, and about competition, and this and that but none of it can actually be backed up by retreating player numbers or waning interest. If modern gets too expensive, tournament attendance will drop and staples will come down because demand is down, but until then it's all sky is falling nonsense.
I, and many people aren't saying there shouldn't be a cost barrier, we're just saying it's too high right now. Modern was created with the intention of providing an "eternal" format that wasn't bogged down by reserved list and was more able to have MEANINGFUL reprints. The pace and amount of reprints coming out keeps the format high, or, as with both MM sets, raises the overall cost of the format.
This is a thorough misunderstanding of the problem - prices are high because the popularity of the format and of the game itself, NOT due to accessibility or the amount of reprints. Magic, like anything else, is subject to inflation and demand, and we're seeing inflated prices due to skyrocketing demand. Period. Wizards CAN NOT do anything about this short of unlimited print runs which jeopardizes their ability to still be a collectible card games that people feel safe both buying into and that they are proud of.
For all of the talk about Wizards 'needing' to do this or that in regards to Hearthstone or Hex or FOW - I don't buy it. The game is only getting more and more popular as time goes on. Wizards is NOT scraping the bottom of the barrel looking for any players they can get, prices are NOT shrinking (because demand is not!!), Modern is STILL incredibly popular and has tons of interest... There are tons of statements being made in here about the price being too high, and about competition, and this and that but none of it can actually be backed up by retreating player numbers or waning interest. If modern gets too expensive, tournament attendance will drop and staples will come down because demand is down, but until then it's all sky is falling nonsense.
The problem is caused by the system they implemented to introduce new cards into the format and the desire to play a constructed format where the cards are not randomized. The rarity system is murder on constructed play in that regard since naturally a rare card is printed and opened significantly less than an uncommon or common and constructed play mostly uses advanced rare or mythic cards. This in combination of a lack of reprinting needed cards in heavily opened sets has led to speculator buy out and other situations that inflate the price by leaps and bounds.
Modern is a constructed magic format and not a draft format. Wizards just doesn't like supporting constructed. Mostly because if they did support constructed, it would in some ways undermine the desire to draft. As I said before, the game is a bit of a trainwreck in paper because of this need for constructed along side a draft format.
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1. (Ravnica Allegiance): You can't keep a good esper control deck down... Or Wilderness Reclamation... or Gates...
2. (War of the Spark): Guys, I know what we need! We need a cycle of really idiotic flavor text victory cards! Jace's Triumph...
3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
What are your opinions on Sylvan Advocate in Modern? Does it have a chance or is it dwarfed out by Tarmogoyf and Scavenging Ooze and such? Just wondering... as right now regulars are at $8 and foils are at $10... seems like a nice possible pickup?
It's pretty bad because zoo decks or coco decks don't get to six lands nor do they run land creatures.
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On mtgsalvation people don't want to discuss ideas, so I give people something else to discuss: my controversial opinions.
The stable form of income you speak of is standard. That's WotC bread and butter and there is no reason to print extend format staples there unless numbers drop.
And I believe WotC policy for reprints, after the Chronicles disaster is to err on the side of caution.
Just because you have a resource (eternal format staples) does not mean you should necessarily have to tap that resource.
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Affinity EDH W Akroma GBW Ghave BRU Thrax GR Ruric I advocate for the elimination of the combo archetype in Modern. I believe it is degenerate and unfun by its very nature and will always limit design space and cause unnecessary bans.
The problem is caused by the system they implemented to introduce new cards into the format and the desire to play a constructed format where the cards are not randomized. The rarity system is murder on constructed play in that regard since naturally a rare card is printed and opened significantly less than an uncommon or common and constructed play mostly uses advanced rare or mythic cards. This in combination of a lack of reprinting needed cards in heavily opened sets has led to speculator buy out and other situations that inflate the price by leaps and bounds.
Modern is a constructed magic format and not a draft format. Wizards just doesn't like supporting constructed. Mostly because if they did support constructed, it would in some ways undermine the desire to draft. As I said before, the game is a bit of a trainwreck in paper because of this need for constructed along side a draft format.
But you literally just ignored everything I said - if the game was a trainwreck and the model didn't work then we wouldn't have RISING attendance, interest, and extreme longevity. I'm in no way calling this model perfect and I DO want there to be more reprints, but your rhetoric has the game in dire straits and it simply isn't the case. Statements like this : "Wizards just doesn't like supporting constructed." are so thoroughly misguided - of COURSE they want to support constructed. They design with as many constructed formats in mind as they do draft AND they understand that what keeps people coming back is those chase rares and the fun they have in various constructed formats. You're applying your narrative to Wizard's business philosophy now and it's completely nonsensical. So, if Wizards had no interest in supporting constructed formats, why would they design any cards with Standard play in mind? Why would they have a pro tour? Why would they sanction FNMs (their best way of getting newer players involved with the game) for anything other than limited?
The simple truth is though, it isn't a trainwreck. Not to WotC. If there were serious issues they would address them more aggressively. Non standard constructed should remain more expensive simply because that is what the market has deemed appropriate. Printing a bunch more cards for players who want to play mtg and video games and whatever else dilutes and weakens the base. People who want mtg and video games etc are more apt to leave mtg. When they leave, they often will cash in on their collections. Enough folks leave the game and there is an aggressive reprint system in place, it will over saturate and crash the market. Better to have the people complaining about wanting it all keep complaining and have them leave the game all together than to accommodate them, have them leave on a whim and hurt the secondary market.
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Affinity EDH W Akroma GBW Ghave BRU Thrax GR Ruric I advocate for the elimination of the combo archetype in Modern. I believe it is degenerate and unfun by its very nature and will always limit design space and cause unnecessary bans.
The stable form of income you speak of is standard. That's WotC bread and butter and there is no reason to print extend format staples there unless numbers drop.
And I believe WotC policy for reprints, after the Chronicles disaster is to err on the side of caution.
Just because you have a resource (eternal format staples) does not mean you should necessarily have to tap that resource.
The only thing Wizards hasn't tried yet is having a historic block cycle, where once a year they do a re-release of an older set like Innistrad or Shards of Alara for draft. That would likely work out better for the format as a whole than trying to do modern masters / eternal masters as it enables them to keep drafting standard, while also getting more cards into modern. A lot of people would love having a chance to play Scars Block, for example.
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1. (Ravnica Allegiance): You can't keep a good esper control deck down... Or Wilderness Reclamation... or Gates...
2. (War of the Spark): Guys, I know what we need! We need a cycle of really idiotic flavor text victory cards! Jace's Triumph...
3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
IDK, it has two relevant creature types and adds a solid late game to elf decks. So there is a home for it. Turn 2, yeah not a great play. But turn 4 or 5 after a sweeper, it doesn't seem that bad. I could see it finding a niche. Is it a $10 card, ehh, I don't know about that but it seems to fill a previously unfilled design space that might be useful.
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Thats an interesting idea but again it's a resource they have but have no need to tap. The system they currently have isn't perfect but it does work.
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Affinity EDH W Akroma GBW Ghave BRU Thrax GR Ruric I advocate for the elimination of the combo archetype in Modern. I believe it is degenerate and unfun by its very nature and will always limit design space and cause unnecessary bans.
Your saying a card is bad because it doesn't fit into two current tier one decks? That's a pretty high bar you have there. In fact, 99.7% of all cards printed will fail that bar. Might want to broaden your eval a bit.
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Affinity EDH W Akroma GBW Ghave BRU Thrax GR Ruric I advocate for the elimination of the combo archetype in Modern. I believe it is degenerate and unfun by its very nature and will always limit design space and cause unnecessary bans.
I don't claim to be a good indicator of the average consumer, but when it comes to hearthstone vs MTG would rather play a good game that I have to pay more for than a shallow cartoony game I can play for free. MTG prices are rough at times, but when you make a product that has physical objects that are legal to buy and sell without any real limitations then the price will be, in large part, driven by the consumer. People will always pay for exclusivity, often while they complain about it.
MTG has not seen tournament numbers trend down in some time, regardless of what you and your friends think or what you see at the local level. When or if they do then you will see changes, but until the people who have a problem with the price of the game and refuse to pay that price number high enough to impact popularity they will simply be a sullen minority.
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Goblin Guide- I think it is ripe for reprint, but then I thought that about Serum Visions too. That said I am pretty risk averse so if I thought there was any chance I would play them then I would hold on to them.
The elf- I don't see it making it in Modern. A non-tribal deck that can get 6 lands out in a modern game has better things to do with it's mana than a 4/5 with Vigilance I would think. If it were a cheap card then I would say that your losses would be small enough that the risk is worth it, but at $8 I just don't see much of an upside. Especially since it is a rare which don't hold a lot of value in the short term.
The problem with Sylvan Advocate in Modern isn't that it's not a good creature, it's that there are several better things you want to be doing in your green 2 drop slot. The only reason to play it over Goyf or Scooze is if you don't own Goyf and Scooze (or you're running some other combo or land-creature strategy).
think ancestral vision will be printed in eternal masters or is it safe to pick up now?
reprint or not, i think AV is high right now because of unban hype (like bitterblossom), so i would wait at least until eternal master.
that's what I was thinking. I'll probably wait a month or 2
It possibly won't see as much play as some people initially thought and that would decrease its price even more. I mean blue decks aren't doing great now despite it and if this won't change it will effect its price.
yeah I can't see it staying at 60 for long. I feel it'll be similar to Golgari grave troll, people juts wanna build with it now that its legal in modern
I actually think that Goblin Guide will see a reprint in MM17, not EMA. I, however, do not believe that we'll see the price skyrocket if it isn't reprinted in EMA. It may grow another $10 or so, but I don't see it doubling.
My belief is that EMA will have a lot of reprints of cards 10+ years old. I don't think we'll see too many from the last 5-6 years. That's Modern Masters territory.
I'm holding mine.
Standard: lol no
Modern: BG/x, UR/x, Burn, Merfolk, Zoo, Storm
Legacy: Shardless BUG, Delver (BUG, RUG, Grixis), Landstill, Depths Combo, Merfolk
Vintage: Dark Times, BUG Fish, Merfolk
EDH: Teysa, Orzhov Scion / Krenko, Mob Boss / Stonebrow, Krosan Hero
Really depends on if you are using them. If you are going to use them regularly for the next six months, it probably isn't worth the hassle. Personally, I have always valued the consistency and worry-free nature of just keeping cards I plan on using, rather than trying to wring extra monetary value on a single playset. If you had 200 copies, that would be a different story.
If you aren't going to use them, I would dump them now. Safely get your healthy return.
Thing is, Tarmogoyf can be a 4/5 the turn it lands and grow bigger than that. Scavenging Ooze has both immediate and long term value for growing and dealing with graveyards. Sylvan Advocate is only good if you have 6 or more lands, and otherwise is just a vigilance 2/3 with no other abilities.
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Yes, design space is nearly limitless (nearly) but there will always be a "best" version of a card. What do you want in modern Thoughtseize/INQ or despise? The best card must be reprinted in supplemental sets at least. They can't design too many cards that are functionally the same because then that leads to super redundant decks. Look at EGGS. It was an ok deck that nobody played until it got redundancy from having two "sunrise" effects. If they reprinted Second sunrise instead of faith's reward, the deck would still only have 4 copies of that card. Design space is limited in that there will still only be X number of cards that's good. In rotating formats design space is limitless, but in older formats that 1 card will always be the best.
Yes, I know that gaming stores are what moves Wizards products. I also believe, as someone who's studied business, that if your business model is to rely on a secondary market in major flux, you deserve whatever comes to you. It's a high risk/high reward situation for game stores to buy/sell singles. I would much rather have innovation at the business model level, rather than copy paste stores who just sit on a pile of cards and make their money off that. You NEED to have a stable form of income and singles are not that.
I, and many people aren't saying there shouldn't be a cost barrier, we're just saying it's too high right now. Modern was created with the intention of providing an "eternal" format that wasn't bogged down by reserved list and was more able to have MEANINGFUL reprints. The pace and amount of reprints coming out keeps the format high, or, as with both MM sets, raises the overall cost of the format.
in modern is a 2/3 for 2, pretty meh.
6 lands is something in standard, in modern thats late game. Tarmo and ooze are better than sylvan advocate, and i dont think a deck need a 9th 2 green drop.
after rotation sylvan advocate will be .5 or less.
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I advocate for the elimination of the combo archetype in Modern. I believe it is degenerate and unfun by its very nature and will always limit design space and cause unnecessary bans.
This is a thorough misunderstanding of the problem - prices are high because the popularity of the format and of the game itself, NOT due to accessibility or the amount of reprints. Magic, like anything else, is subject to inflation and demand, and we're seeing inflated prices due to skyrocketing demand. Period. Wizards CAN NOT do anything about this short of unlimited print runs which jeopardizes their ability to still be a collectible card games that people feel safe both buying into and that they are proud of.
For all of the talk about Wizards 'needing' to do this or that in regards to Hearthstone or Hex or FOW - I don't buy it. The game is only getting more and more popular as time goes on. Wizards is NOT scraping the bottom of the barrel looking for any players they can get, prices are NOT shrinking (because demand is not!!), Modern is STILL incredibly popular and has tons of interest... There are tons of statements being made in here about the price being too high, and about competition, and this and that but none of it can actually be backed up by retreating player numbers or waning interest. If modern gets too expensive, tournament attendance will drop and staples will come down because demand is down, but until then it's all sky is falling nonsense.
The problem is caused by the system they implemented to introduce new cards into the format and the desire to play a constructed format where the cards are not randomized. The rarity system is murder on constructed play in that regard since naturally a rare card is printed and opened significantly less than an uncommon or common and constructed play mostly uses advanced rare or mythic cards. This in combination of a lack of reprinting needed cards in heavily opened sets has led to speculator buy out and other situations that inflate the price by leaps and bounds.
Modern is a constructed magic format and not a draft format. Wizards just doesn't like supporting constructed. Mostly because if they did support constructed, it would in some ways undermine the desire to draft. As I said before, the game is a bit of a trainwreck in paper because of this need for constructed along side a draft format.
1. (Ravnica Allegiance): You can't keep a good esper control deck down... Or Wilderness Reclamation... or Gates...
2. (War of the Spark): Guys, I know what we need! We need a cycle of really idiotic flavor text victory cards! Jace's Triumph...
3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
It's pretty bad because zoo decks or coco decks don't get to six lands nor do they run land creatures.
Decks I'm playing in Modern right now:
URB Grixis Reveler (http://www.mtgvault.com/supast4r7/decks/modern-grixis-reveler/)
UB Faeries (http://www.mtgvault.com/supast4r7/decks/ub-fae-2/)
UW Azorious Control (http://www.mtgvault.com/supast4r7/decks/modern-ojutai-control-2/)
And I believe WotC policy for reprints, after the Chronicles disaster is to err on the side of caution.
Just because you have a resource (eternal format staples) does not mean you should necessarily have to tap that resource.
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I advocate for the elimination of the combo archetype in Modern. I believe it is degenerate and unfun by its very nature and will always limit design space and cause unnecessary bans.
But you literally just ignored everything I said - if the game was a trainwreck and the model didn't work then we wouldn't have RISING attendance, interest, and extreme longevity. I'm in no way calling this model perfect and I DO want there to be more reprints, but your rhetoric has the game in dire straits and it simply isn't the case. Statements like this : "Wizards just doesn't like supporting constructed." are so thoroughly misguided - of COURSE they want to support constructed. They design with as many constructed formats in mind as they do draft AND they understand that what keeps people coming back is those chase rares and the fun they have in various constructed formats. You're applying your narrative to Wizard's business philosophy now and it's completely nonsensical. So, if Wizards had no interest in supporting constructed formats, why would they design any cards with Standard play in mind? Why would they have a pro tour? Why would they sanction FNMs (their best way of getting newer players involved with the game) for anything other than limited?
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I advocate for the elimination of the combo archetype in Modern. I believe it is degenerate and unfun by its very nature and will always limit design space and cause unnecessary bans.
The only thing Wizards hasn't tried yet is having a historic block cycle, where once a year they do a re-release of an older set like Innistrad or Shards of Alara for draft. That would likely work out better for the format as a whole than trying to do modern masters / eternal masters as it enables them to keep drafting standard, while also getting more cards into modern. A lot of people would love having a chance to play Scars Block, for example.
1. (Ravnica Allegiance): You can't keep a good esper control deck down... Or Wilderness Reclamation... or Gates...
2. (War of the Spark): Guys, I know what we need! We need a cycle of really idiotic flavor text victory cards! Jace's Triumph...
3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
GB Rock
U Flooding Merfolk
RUG Delver Midrange
WU Monks
UW Tempo Geist
GW Bogle
GW Liege
UR Tron
B Vampires
Affinity
Legacy
Fish
Goblins
Burn
Reanimator
Dredge
Affinity
EDH
W Akroma
GBW Ghave
BRU Thrax
GR Ruric
I advocate for the elimination of the combo archetype in Modern. I believe it is degenerate and unfun by its very nature and will always limit design space and cause unnecessary bans.
GB Rock
U Flooding Merfolk
RUG Delver Midrange
WU Monks
UW Tempo Geist
GW Bogle
GW Liege
UR Tron
B Vampires
Affinity
Legacy
Fish
Goblins
Burn
Reanimator
Dredge
Affinity
EDH
W Akroma
GBW Ghave
BRU Thrax
GR Ruric
I advocate for the elimination of the combo archetype in Modern. I believe it is degenerate and unfun by its very nature and will always limit design space and cause unnecessary bans.
GB Rock
U Flooding Merfolk
RUG Delver Midrange
WU Monks
UW Tempo Geist
GW Bogle
GW Liege
UR Tron
B Vampires
Affinity
Legacy
Fish
Goblins
Burn
Reanimator
Dredge
Affinity
EDH
W Akroma
GBW Ghave
BRU Thrax
GR Ruric
I advocate for the elimination of the combo archetype in Modern. I believe it is degenerate and unfun by its very nature and will always limit design space and cause unnecessary bans.
MTG has not seen tournament numbers trend down in some time, regardless of what you and your friends think or what you see at the local level. When or if they do then you will see changes, but until the people who have a problem with the price of the game and refuse to pay that price number high enough to impact popularity they will simply be a sullen minority.
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Goblin Guide- I think it is ripe for reprint, but then I thought that about Serum Visions too. That said I am pretty risk averse so if I thought there was any chance I would play them then I would hold on to them.
The elf- I don't see it making it in Modern. A non-tribal deck that can get 6 lands out in a modern game has better things to do with it's mana than a 4/5 with Vigilance I would think. If it were a cheap card then I would say that your losses would be small enough that the risk is worth it, but at $8 I just don't see much of an upside. Especially since it is a rare which don't hold a lot of value in the short term.
Reprint Opt for Modern!!
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UR ....... WUBR ........... WB ............. RGW ........ UBR ....... WUB .... BGU
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Staffreprint or not, i think AV is high right now because of unban hype (like bitterblossom), so i would wait at least until eternal master.
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Staffthat's what I was thinking. I'll probably wait a month or 2
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Staffyeah I can't see it staying at 60 for long. I feel it'll be similar to Golgari grave troll, people juts wanna build with it now that its legal in modern
You missed the safe point a few months ago.
For the money people are asking for a single Ancestral Vision, you could get 2-3 KTK Flooded Strands.
AV was an $8 card back in January OF THIS YEAR, think about that whenever you consider buying them now.