With Modern Masters, players got enough towards decks to fill them out, or got cards that were easy to move. With EMA, you won't be able to move the cards as easily (smaller player base) and won't be able to build Legacy off those cards (because of the duals necessity).
We'll have to wait and see. A modern merfolk player is just a playset of wastelands and FoW away from a legacy deck. Berserk can turn infect players on to legacy. Imperial Recruiter to Painted stone and so on. The mana in a 3-4 color deck will be an issue yes, but several decks can work around it, and players might find some good solutions. I guess i depends how eager people are to get into the legacy scene.
With this Vendgate WOTC and Major Vendors are in right now, I think it is just a matter of time before people realizes that WOTC has been printing a lot of magic cards lately (More than the chronicles print run) and that this "secondary market" is just a few people manipulating the actual supply. I mean, you may have a Dozen beta black lotuses and sure, they sell for >10k usd, but who can afford them at that price?
How see you aluren for a possible buyout target? Here in europe, you can grab a playset for less than 20 euro, and, if imperial recruiter is reprinted in eternal masters, maybe more people want to play the deck, and aluren is on the reserved list, so, what you think?
With this Vendgate WOTC and Major Vendors are in right now, I think it is just a matter of time before people realizes that WOTC has been printing a lot of magic cards lately (More than the chronicles print run) and that this "secondary market" is just a few people manipulating the actual supply. I mean, you may have a Dozen beta black lotuses and sure, they sell for >10k usd, but who can afford them at that price?
STOP.
Yes, the secondary is subject to market manipulations, but there is ALSO organic demand for things like modern and legacy staples.
So with Eternal Masters announced, how smart of a move would it be to move most of my collection to ABUR dual lands? Think it's a real wise move or just moving cardboard to other cardboard with little gains?
There will definitely be an uptick in prices for things that are on the reserved list. But then everyone will remember that Legacy isn't commonly played, and the prices will drop again.
The question you should be asking yourself is: How many people are going to use Eternal Masters as a means of getting into Legacy? If you think that number is high, buy ABUR duals. If you think that number is low, keep your cardboard in staples that you can actually play with.
I can tell you that I have everything I need to build Legacy Delver other than FoW and the Duals/Wastelands. However, it would cost me nearly $2,000 just to get those now, not including any spikes they might take. All that for a format no one plays and no store hosts? Thanks but no thanks.
So with Eternal Masters announced, how smart of a move would it be to move most of my collection to ABUR dual lands? Think it's a real wise move or just moving cardboard to other cardboard with little gains?
There will definitely be an uptick in prices for things that are on the reserved list. But then everyone will remember that Legacy isn't commonly played, and the prices will drop again.
The question you should be asking yourself is: How many people are going to use Eternal Masters as a means of getting into Legacy? If you think that number is high, buy ABUR duals. If you think that number is low, keep your cardboard in staples that you can actually play with.
I can tell you that I have everything I need to build Legacy Delver other than FoW and the Duals/Wastelands. However, it would cost me nearly $2,000 just to get those now, not including any spikes they might take. All that for a format no one plays and no store hosts? Thanks but no thanks.
That is true for me as well.
If they can reprint Duals in additional to FOW and Wastelands, this will make me much easier to switch from Modern to Legacy since I have most of the staples. Unfortunately, Duals are in the reserved list and I am not willing to spend thousands of dollars for Duals...
The way WotC can lead people with carrots from format to format is sad and amusing at the same time. Instead of fixing modern to keep people there they've just announced what will be an exorbitantly gouged set and it's got folks discussing how they could shift into legacy - which, ironically, is a lot closer to dying than modern is.
The way WotC can lead people with carrots from format to format is sad and amusing at the same time. Instead of fixing modern to keep people there they've just announced what will be an exorbitantly gouged set and it's got folks discussing how they could shift into legacy - which, ironically, is a lot closer to dying than modern is.
I fail to see what this has to do with modern pricing or what this level of cynicism offers at all. The cards are printed to help increase circulation for a NUMBER of popular staples in various formats, not just legacy. Standard and modern players think that everything is for them when MANY players just play cube or EDH, both groups of players have a number of things to be excited about in the new reprint set. And if they are supporting legacy a TINY bit for the first time in years? So what? What was that about people being angry with the way their hundred dollar bills were folded?
The way WotC can lead people with carrots from format to format is sad and amusing at the same time. Instead of fixing modern to keep people there they've just announced what will be an exorbitantly gouged set and it's got folks discussing how they could shift into legacy - which, ironically, is a lot closer to dying than modern is.
I fail to see what this has to do with modern pricing or what this level of cynicism offers at all. The cards are printed to help increase circulation for a NUMBER of popular staples in various formats, not just legacy. Standard and modern players think that everything is for them when MANY players just play cube or EDH, both groups of players have a number of things to be excited about in the new reprint set. And if they are supporting legacy a TINY bit for the first time in years? So what? What was that about people being angry with the way their hundred dollar bills were folded?
Except if MM/MM2 are anything to go by the the demand created by the hype far outweighs the eventual supply. This will increase circulation to a degree, and I concede to your point about cube and EDH for sure. That being said, all this will end up doing to the formats that the cards are known for is creating demand for cards that will end up offsetting any decrease in price the increased circulation may cause. And the hoarders are going to have a field day if the aggregate value in this set is anything near what it should be to even justify having a set.
All I'm saying is I hope people don't think WotC is doing this because they actually give a damn about any of the eternal formats.
Except if MM/MM2 are anything to go by the the demand created by the hype far outweighs the eventual supply.
I won't speak for MM1 as it was under printed, but MM2 lowered prices for a solid chunk of time on a number of modern staples that were due to skyrocket. Spellskite would have been a $60 card last summer if not for it's reprint. 'Hype' is GOOD for the game and Wizards WANTS that! I'm not sure what the criticism is here as people's excitement for other formats is what fuels support for those formats.
That being said, all this will end up doing to the formats that the cards are known for is creating demand for cards that will end up offsetting any decrease in price the increased circulation may cause.
Again, MM2 caused real price depressions on a number of staples for a reasonable period of time. These cards are MUCH MUCH more difficult to assess the actual demand for because legacy IS NOT a fully supported format. Someone on my facebook tried to make the same argument you're making now and this was my response:
"Yes - but you're still looking at a modern staple whose demand is propped by a format played 10x more than any legacy only card.
If we assume this will be printed on the same level as MM2 (seems reasonable, 1 was under printed) then like EVERY mythic in MM2 we can expect prices to drop within a reasonable window. The only card that didn't drop from MM2 (and instead stayed level) was Spellskite, and it's printing last summer likely kept it's price reasonable into the most recent spike.
All that said, I don't think Wastelands/Force will go up. Modern demand is MUCH more taxing on staples than is legacy, and the duals still prevent a HUGE problem for players looking to get into legacy - one that is going to get exponentially worse when the value shifts."
Simply put, the demand for modern is MUCH higher than anything legacy will do for total demand on any individual card. Look at cards like True Name with ONE printing in a supplemental set and you can see that demand has already settled (and that's a COMPETITIVE card!), the same cannot be said of almost any modern staple. If the deck wins, it's cards skyrocket and make sense to buy out from a speculative position. Karakas? Wasteland? Not so much.
Now, if 'Eternal' or whatever ends up being true, then all of these arguments need to be COMPLETELY re-evaluated.
And the hoarders are going to have a field day if the aggregate value in this set is anything near what it should be to even justify having a set.
Hence the buy-in price. They know if they make it too low it's too attractive for speculation. This is an admittedly difficult problem to address, but are they to just never print these cards ever again? I'm PUMPED at the chance to open some of my favorite cards in packs, even if they're only used in non-supported formats - that's ok though because I understand that and am willing to pay that premium. Based on the immense support of both MM sets, it seems that others are too.
All I'm saying is I hope people don't think WotC is doing this because they actually give a damn about any of the eternal formats.
But of course they do - if the formats are popular, they can make money from them! Wizards WANTS it's card game to succeed on multiple levels because that is profit for them. It's why I think some of the current arguments against wizards in relation to modern are so funny, they DO want it to succeed. Eternal formats are HUGELY boosting value of out of print cards in a way that allows Wizards to build up equity into reprint sets and spend almost NO R/D dollars to develop. That's a Win-Win for almost everyone involved.
I just can't see ANY better way to put these cards into further circulation. Have people seen how Konami prints their Yu-Gi-Oh staples? In pre-con tins that you buy at Target. Do people really want that sort of awful situation?
If I had the money, I'd be moving on RL duals in a big big way. I see them being 1K in 2 years.
I'm not so sure. Wizards has to have a plan here if they're going to print Eternal Masters, they have to know it will make duals go crazy. Something is going to happen to counteract that.
Relating that back to Modern, I usually agree with you on investment choices but not here. I think Modern cards are the place to be. They're going to raise while Legacy (non RL goes down), and who knows what else Wizards will do to handle the RL. We now have atleast a year before a real Modern reprint. Seems to me like the place to have a collection right now.
If I had the money, I'd be moving on RL duals in a big big way. I see them being 1K in 2 years.
I'm not so sure. Wizards has to have a plan here if they're going to print Eternal Masters, they have to know it will make duals go crazy. Something is going to happen to counteract that.
Relating that back to Modern, I usually agree with you on investment choices but not here. I think Modern cards are the place to be. They're going to raise while Legacy (non RL goes down), and who knows what else Wizards will do to handle the RL. We now have atleast a year before a real Modern reprint. Seems to me like the place to have a collection right now.
I know it's just a rumor right now, but I can really see the idea of an 'eternal' format (no reserved list legacy) completely replacing all current legacy and potentially even rivaling modern for prominence. It allows wizards to control the amount of all of the cards in the format, they can introduce cards into the format through non-standard means, etc. It does seem to me that there is a little more to the EMA set and SFM promo than currently meets the eye.
If I had the money, I'd be moving on RL duals in a big big way. I see them being 1K in 2 years.
I'm not so sure. Wizards has to have a plan here if they're going to print Eternal Masters, they have to know it will make duals go crazy. Something is going to happen to counteract that.
Relating that back to Modern, I usually agree with you on investment choices but not here. I think Modern cards are the place to be. They're going to raise while Legacy (non RL goes down), and who knows what else Wizards will do to handle the RL. We now have atleast a year before a real Modern reprint. Seems to me like the place to have a collection right now.
I know it's just a rumor right now, but I can really see the idea of an 'eternal' format (no reserved list legacy) completely replacing all current legacy and potentially even rivaling modern for prominence. It allows wizards to control the amount of all of the cards in the format, they can introduce cards into the format through non-standard means, etc. It does seem to me that there is a little more to the EMA set and SFM promo than currently meets the eye.
If that's the case, there may be a monumental loss of value in many Modern staple cards that are simply staples because better cards are either too old or banned from the format.
If I had the money, I'd be moving on RL duals in a big big way. I see them being 1K in 2 years.
I'm not so sure. Wizards has to have a plan here if they're going to print Eternal Masters, they have to know it will make duals go crazy. Something is going to happen to counteract that.
Relating that back to Modern, I usually agree with you on investment choices but not here. I think Modern cards are the place to be. They're going to raise while Legacy (non RL goes down), and who knows what else Wizards will do to handle the RL. We now have atleast a year before a real Modern reprint. Seems to me like the place to have a collection right now.
I know it's just a rumor right now, but I can really see the idea of an 'eternal' format (no reserved list legacy) completely replacing all current legacy and potentially even rivaling modern for prominence. It allows wizards to control the amount of all of the cards in the format, they can introduce cards into the format through non-standard means, etc. It does seem to me that there is a little more to the EMA set and SFM promo than currently meets the eye.
That format would require some emergency bans to even function properly. Price of Progress in a shockland format would be kind of gross.
If I had the money, I'd be moving on RL duals in a big big way. I see them being 1K in 2 years.
I'm not so sure. Wizards has to have a plan here if they're going to print Eternal Masters, they have to know it will make duals go crazy. Something is going to happen to counteract that.
Relating that back to Modern, I usually agree with you on investment choices but not here. I think Modern cards are the place to be. They're going to raise while Legacy (non RL goes down), and who knows what else Wizards will do to handle the RL. We now have atleast a year before a real Modern reprint. Seems to me like the place to have a collection right now.
I know it's just a rumor right now, but I can really see the idea of an 'eternal' format (no reserved list legacy) completely replacing all current legacy and potentially even rivaling modern for prominence. It allows wizards to control the amount of all of the cards in the format, they can introduce cards into the format through non-standard means, etc. It does seem to me that there is a little more to the EMA set and SFM promo than currently meets the eye.
If that's the case, there may be a monumental loss of value in many Modern staple cards that are simply staples because better cards are either too old or banned from the format.
If I had the money, I'd be moving on RL duals in a big big way. I see them being 1K in 2 years.
I'm not so sure. Wizards has to have a plan here if they're going to print Eternal Masters, they have to know it will make duals go crazy. Something is going to happen to counteract that.
Relating that back to Modern, I usually agree with you on investment choices but not here. I think Modern cards are the place to be. They're going to raise while Legacy (non RL goes down), and who knows what else Wizards will do to handle the RL. We now have atleast a year before a real Modern reprint. Seems to me like the place to have a collection right now.
I know it's just a rumor right now, but I can really see the idea of an 'eternal' format (no reserved list legacy) completely replacing all current legacy and potentially even rivaling modern for prominence. It allows wizards to control the amount of all of the cards in the format, they can introduce cards into the format through non-standard means, etc. It does seem to me that there is a little more to the EMA set and SFM promo than currently meets the eye.
If that's the case, there may be a monumental loss of value in many Modern staple cards that are simply staples because better cards are either too old or banned from the format.
Yep, but many things SKYROCKET in response - shocks, vial, cavern of souls, goyf, snap, lily, etc. - unfortunately there is almost never an ideal solution for all players (look at the reserved list!).
If I had the money, I'd be moving on RL duals in a big big way. I see them being 1K in 2 years.
I'm not so sure. Wizards has to have a plan here if they're going to print Eternal Masters, they have to know it will make duals go crazy. Something is going to happen to counteract that.
Relating that back to Modern, I usually agree with you on investment choices but not here. I think Modern cards are the place to be. They're going to raise while Legacy (non RL goes down), and who knows what else Wizards will do to handle the RL. We now have atleast a year before a real Modern reprint. Seems to me like the place to have a collection right now.
I know it's just a rumor right now, but I can really see the idea of an 'eternal' format (no reserved list legacy) completely replacing all current legacy and potentially even rivaling modern for prominence. It allows wizards to control the amount of all of the cards in the format, they can introduce cards into the format through non-standard means, etc. It does seem to me that there is a little more to the EMA set and SFM promo than currently meets the eye.
If that's the case, there may be a monumental loss of value in many Modern staple cards that are simply staples because better cards are either too old or banned from the format.
Somewhere beyond the humpday weariness, a little squee of joy just echoed in my brain at the thought of modern staples being affordable. I've got hopes for Eternal Masters, but mostly for cards of days past like Disenchant, Counterspell, Lightning Bolt, Urza lands, those crazy dual pain lands that haven't been printed in ages.
Seriously, they need to print a set just devoted to rare lands or something and combine the expeditions with it. I'd pay 20usd for a 5 card pack that could contain anything from Kahn's fetches to Volrath's Stronghold. Would probably end up with mostly scry lands or some other goofy low value rare land, but hey it's something!
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If I had the money, I'd be moving on RL duals in a big big way. I see them being 1K in 2 years.
I'm not so sure. Wizards has to have a plan here if they're going to print Eternal Masters, they have to know it will make duals go crazy. Something is going to happen to counteract that.
Relating that back to Modern, I usually agree with you on investment choices but not here. I think Modern cards are the place to be. They're going to raise while Legacy (non RL goes down), and who knows what else Wizards will do to handle the RL. We now have atleast a year before a real Modern reprint. Seems to me like the place to have a collection right now.
I know it's just a rumor right now, but I can really see the idea of an 'eternal' format (no reserved list legacy) completely replacing all current legacy and potentially even rivaling modern for prominence. It allows wizards to control the amount of all of the cards in the format, they can introduce cards into the format through non-standard means, etc. It does seem to me that there is a little more to the EMA set and SFM promo than currently meets the eye.
That format would require some emergency bans to even function properly. Price of Progress in a shockland format would be kind of gross.
I'd imagine the banlist would include something like: Dread Return, Hypergenesis, Top, Brainstorm, Glimpse, and something else from Storm. These wouldn't really be 'emergency' bans though, just initial bans.
So with Eternal Masters announced, how smart of a move would it be to move most of my collection to ABUR dual lands? Think it's a real wise move or just moving cardboard to other cardboard with little gains?
There will definitely be an uptick in prices for things that are on the reserved list. But then everyone will remember that Legacy isn't commonly played, and the prices will drop again.
The question you should be asking yourself is: How many people are going to use Eternal Masters as a means of getting into Legacy? If you think that number is high, buy ABUR duals. If you think that number is low, keep your cardboard in staples that you can actually play with.
I'd wait to see how the whole vendor thing shakes out.
If vendors get repercussions, they may go public with other salacious details, and the backlash could affect EMA sales.
That said, there is likely to be a strong move into Legacy over the next 12 months. Seeing as most will be modern players, any modern card is liable to be ported over, or attempted to be ported over. If any stick...
ABUR duals will be $1000 in 2 years, barring an announcement of some sort of eternal format that does not permit reserved list cards, which is a strong possibility. It is clear that with this release, WOTC is building up to something.
My guess is on just that - a new eternal format that does not permit reserved list cards.
(Aside: this would be the best way to put the damage to any vendors involved in a rumored setlist leak, as well as effectively ending any RL problems, by making those cards completely irrelevant, and thus worthless, except for nostalgia's sake.)
My main reason for asking is I have a fairly large modern collection and I am motivated by two reasons
1. could be a good investment if RL lands shoot through the roof due to a possible influx of players trying to play legacy(until the RL b**** slaps them)
2. I want to play legacy(we have play every Thursday at my LGS), grant Maverick for playstyle reasons.
With the potential of a new format(large grain of salt, could be something), maybe just pick up Savannahs and Taigas for Maverick and have the rest of my modern stuff around to move into reprinted staples while they're at their low? I just want to know the best way to move my modern cards around, them being snapcaster mages, fetches, shocks, mutavaults, mox opals, etc.
With the potential of a new format(large grain of salt, could be something), maybe just pick up Savannahs and Taigas for Maverick and have the rest of my modern stuff around to move into reprinted staples while they're at their low? I just want to know the best way to move my modern cards around, them being snapcaster mages, fetches, shocks, mutavaults, mox opals, etc.
Off topic since it's Legacy rather than Modern but I'll risk the infraction... if they announce a new format it won't have ABUR's in it, it would be something where RL cards aren't legal.
Honestly, if you're looking for Modern pickups, go through the Legacy decks that are comboing with Modern cards and look for the decks which can still function with shocks. Also, pay attention to 2 color decks, I imagine 2 color will be very popular with Wasteland and it being ridiculously good against Shocklands. This would suggest that Tango's might actually be strong pickups if people try to play basics to somewhat insulate themselves.
If I had the money, I'd be moving on RL duals in a big big way. I see them being 1K in 2 years.
I'm not so sure. Wizards has to have a plan here if they're going to print Eternal Masters, they have to know it will make duals go crazy. Something is going to happen to counteract that.
Relating that back to Modern, I usually agree with you on investment choices but not here. I think Modern cards are the place to be. They're going to raise while Legacy (non RL goes down), and who knows what else Wizards will do to handle the RL. We now have atleast a year before a real Modern reprint. Seems to me like the place to have a collection right now.
I know it's just a rumor right now, but I can really see the idea of an 'eternal' format (no reserved list legacy) completely replacing all current legacy and potentially even rivaling modern for prominence. It allows wizards to control the amount of all of the cards in the format, they can introduce cards into the format through non-standard means, etc. It does seem to me that there is a little more to the EMA set and SFM promo than currently meets the eye.
That format would require some emergency bans to even function properly. Price of Progress in a shockland format would be kind of gross.
I'd imagine the banlist would include something like: Dread Return, Hypergenesis, Top, Brainstorm, Glimpse, and something else from Storm. These wouldn't really be 'emergency' bans though, just initial bans.
Is this a joke? So you would start off the format just like Modern by banning cards without evidence of them being broken in the format? This is definitely not what any Legacy player would want, because really there is already a format for people that want all combo banned it's called Modern.
Depends on what Wotc wants from the format. I think there are going to be players upset no matter how it plays out. I could see Wotc making bans prior to the first event for this new format. Just to make sure 1 or 2 decks dont dominate for 3 months.
Those players that have how Legacy was handled on their mind, I dont think it will happen again with a format.
We'll have to wait and see. A modern merfolk player is just a playset of wastelands and FoW away from a legacy deck. Berserk can turn infect players on to legacy. Imperial Recruiter to Painted stone and so on. The mana in a 3-4 color deck will be an issue yes, but several decks can work around it, and players might find some good solutions. I guess i depends how eager people are to get into the legacy scene.
Let's stick with Modern card prices
STOP.
Yes, the secondary is subject to market manipulations, but there is ALSO organic demand for things like modern and legacy staples.
I can tell you that I have everything I need to build Legacy Delver other than FoW and the Duals/Wastelands. However, it would cost me nearly $2,000 just to get those now, not including any spikes they might take. All that for a format no one plays and no store hosts? Thanks but no thanks.
UR ....... WUBR ........... WB ............. RGW ........ UBR ....... WUB .... BGU
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That is true for me as well.
If they can reprint Duals in additional to FOW and Wastelands, this will make me much easier to switch from Modern to Legacy since I have most of the staples. Unfortunately, Duals are in the reserved list and I am not willing to spend thousands of dollars for Duals...
Anything, but nothing at the moment...
Modern:
WUBRGAmulet Titan, WUBRGHuman
WUBRAd Nauseam, WBRGDeath Shadow, UBRGScapeshift, UBRGDredge
WURJeskai Nahiri, WURCheeri0s, WBGCounter Company, WRGBurn, UBRMadcap Moon, BRGJund Midrange
UBTurn,BRGriselbrand Reanimator, WGKnight Company, RGRG Tron, RGRG Ponza, XAffinity, XEldrazi Tron
I fail to see what this has to do with modern pricing or what this level of cynicism offers at all. The cards are printed to help increase circulation for a NUMBER of popular staples in various formats, not just legacy. Standard and modern players think that everything is for them when MANY players just play cube or EDH, both groups of players have a number of things to be excited about in the new reprint set. And if they are supporting legacy a TINY bit for the first time in years? So what? What was that about people being angry with the way their hundred dollar bills were folded?
Except if MM/MM2 are anything to go by the the demand created by the hype far outweighs the eventual supply. This will increase circulation to a degree, and I concede to your point about cube and EDH for sure. That being said, all this will end up doing to the formats that the cards are known for is creating demand for cards that will end up offsetting any decrease in price the increased circulation may cause. And the hoarders are going to have a field day if the aggregate value in this set is anything near what it should be to even justify having a set.
All I'm saying is I hope people don't think WotC is doing this because they actually give a damn about any of the eternal formats.
I won't speak for MM1 as it was under printed, but MM2 lowered prices for a solid chunk of time on a number of modern staples that were due to skyrocket. Spellskite would have been a $60 card last summer if not for it's reprint. 'Hype' is GOOD for the game and Wizards WANTS that! I'm not sure what the criticism is here as people's excitement for other formats is what fuels support for those formats.
Again, MM2 caused real price depressions on a number of staples for a reasonable period of time. These cards are MUCH MUCH more difficult to assess the actual demand for because legacy IS NOT a fully supported format. Someone on my facebook tried to make the same argument you're making now and this was my response:
"Yes - but you're still looking at a modern staple whose demand is propped by a format played 10x more than any legacy only card.
If we assume this will be printed on the same level as MM2 (seems reasonable, 1 was under printed) then like EVERY mythic in MM2 we can expect prices to drop within a reasonable window. The only card that didn't drop from MM2 (and instead stayed level) was Spellskite, and it's printing last summer likely kept it's price reasonable into the most recent spike.
All that said, I don't think Wastelands/Force will go up. Modern demand is MUCH more taxing on staples than is legacy, and the duals still prevent a HUGE problem for players looking to get into legacy - one that is going to get exponentially worse when the value shifts."
Simply put, the demand for modern is MUCH higher than anything legacy will do for total demand on any individual card. Look at cards like True Name with ONE printing in a supplemental set and you can see that demand has already settled (and that's a COMPETITIVE card!), the same cannot be said of almost any modern staple. If the deck wins, it's cards skyrocket and make sense to buy out from a speculative position. Karakas? Wasteland? Not so much.
Now, if 'Eternal' or whatever ends up being true, then all of these arguments need to be COMPLETELY re-evaluated.
Hence the buy-in price. They know if they make it too low it's too attractive for speculation. This is an admittedly difficult problem to address, but are they to just never print these cards ever again? I'm PUMPED at the chance to open some of my favorite cards in packs, even if they're only used in non-supported formats - that's ok though because I understand that and am willing to pay that premium. Based on the immense support of both MM sets, it seems that others are too.
But of course they do - if the formats are popular, they can make money from them! Wizards WANTS it's card game to succeed on multiple levels because that is profit for them. It's why I think some of the current arguments against wizards in relation to modern are so funny, they DO want it to succeed. Eternal formats are HUGELY boosting value of out of print cards in a way that allows Wizards to build up equity into reprint sets and spend almost NO R/D dollars to develop. That's a Win-Win for almost everyone involved.
I just can't see ANY better way to put these cards into further circulation. Have people seen how Konami prints their Yu-Gi-Oh staples? In pre-con tins that you buy at Target. Do people really want that sort of awful situation?
I'm not so sure. Wizards has to have a plan here if they're going to print Eternal Masters, they have to know it will make duals go crazy. Something is going to happen to counteract that.
Relating that back to Modern, I usually agree with you on investment choices but not here. I think Modern cards are the place to be. They're going to raise while Legacy (non RL goes down), and who knows what else Wizards will do to handle the RL. We now have atleast a year before a real Modern reprint. Seems to me like the place to have a collection right now.
I know it's just a rumor right now, but I can really see the idea of an 'eternal' format (no reserved list legacy) completely replacing all current legacy and potentially even rivaling modern for prominence. It allows wizards to control the amount of all of the cards in the format, they can introduce cards into the format through non-standard means, etc. It does seem to me that there is a little more to the EMA set and SFM promo than currently meets the eye.
If that's the case, there may be a monumental loss of value in many Modern staple cards that are simply staples because better cards are either too old or banned from the format.
UR ....... WUBR ........... WB ............. RGW ........ UBR ....... WUB .... BGU
Spells / Blink & Combo / Token Grind / Dino Tribal / Draw Cards / Zombies / Reanimate
That format would require some emergency bans to even function properly. Price of Progress in a shockland format would be kind of gross.
Yep, but many things SKYROCKET in response - shocks, vial, cavern of souls, goyf, snap, lily, etc. - unfortunately there is almost never an ideal solution for all players (look at the reserved list!).
Somewhere beyond the humpday weariness, a little squee of joy just echoed in my brain at the thought of modern staples being affordable. I've got hopes for Eternal Masters, but mostly for cards of days past like Disenchant, Counterspell, Lightning Bolt, Urza lands, those crazy dual pain lands that haven't been printed in ages.
Seriously, they need to print a set just devoted to rare lands or something and combine the expeditions with it. I'd pay 20usd for a 5 card pack that could contain anything from Kahn's fetches to Volrath's Stronghold. Would probably end up with mostly scry lands or some other goofy low value rare land, but hey it's something!
1. (Ravnica Allegiance): You can't keep a good esper control deck down... Or Wilderness Reclamation... or Gates...
2. (War of the Spark): Guys, I know what we need! We need a cycle of really idiotic flavor text victory cards! Jace's Triumph...
3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
I'd imagine the banlist would include something like: Dread Return, Hypergenesis, Top, Brainstorm, Glimpse, and something else from Storm. These wouldn't really be 'emergency' bans though, just initial bans.
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In this "eternal" format no cards from the RL would be on it, so it wouldnt need a ban as it wouldnt be legal.
U Tron
GW Bogles
RG Loam
UR Blue Breach
RBU Grixis Goryo
BRU Grixis Delver
GBR Jund
GBW Junk
Active Legacy Decks
BR Reanimator
RIP Karn EDH
My main reason for asking is I have a fairly large modern collection and I am motivated by two reasons
1. could be a good investment if RL lands shoot through the roof due to a possible influx of players trying to play legacy(until the RL b**** slaps them)
2. I want to play legacy(we have play every Thursday at my LGS), grant Maverick for playstyle reasons.
With the potential of a new format(large grain of salt, could be something), maybe just pick up Savannahs and Taigas for Maverick and have the rest of my modern stuff around to move into reprinted staples while they're at their low? I just want to know the best way to move my modern cards around, them being snapcaster mages, fetches, shocks, mutavaults, mox opals, etc.
Off topic since it's Legacy rather than Modern but I'll risk the infraction... if they announce a new format it won't have ABUR's in it, it would be something where RL cards aren't legal.
Honestly, if you're looking for Modern pickups, go through the Legacy decks that are comboing with Modern cards and look for the decks which can still function with shocks. Also, pay attention to 2 color decks, I imagine 2 color will be very popular with Wasteland and it being ridiculously good against Shocklands. This would suggest that Tango's might actually be strong pickups if people try to play basics to somewhat insulate themselves.
Is this a joke? So you would start off the format just like Modern by banning cards without evidence of them being broken in the format? This is definitely not what any Legacy player would want, because really there is already a format for people that want all combo banned it's called Modern.
Those players that have how Legacy was handled on their mind, I dont think it will happen again with a format.
But thats just my thinking.
RGTron
UGInfect
URStorm
WUBRAd Nauseam
BRGrishoalbrand
URGScapeshift
WBGAbzan Company
WUBRGAmulet Titan
BRGLiving End
WGBogles